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First topic message reminder :
Effective immediately. This goes for all posters.
I don't care what's been said before now. I care about what happens from this point on.
AGAIN -- this goes for everyone. If you post something attacking the person who created the post instead of addressing the content of the post, you will be subject to administrative action.
Effective immediately. This goes for all posters.
I don't care what's been said before now. I care about what happens from this point on.
AGAIN -- this goes for everyone. If you post something attacking the person who created the post instead of addressing the content of the post, you will be subject to administrative action.
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Nems is looking shocked but I bet she knows how to handle a sherbert dab.
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Warren Moon wrote:Nems is looking shocked but I bet she knows how to handle a sherbert dab.
Aww who blabbed?!
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I think banter should be ok, as long as it doesn't get too personal or just bad language..
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Warren Moon wrote:Where's the creche area?
What does this slang mean? What does it mean to get out of the creche? Can anybody appreciate that not everyone here speaks British?
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Ben_Reilly wrote:Warren Moon wrote:Where's the creche area?
What does this slang mean? What does it mean to get out of the creche? Can anybody appreciate that not everyone here speaks British?
Where mothers/ fathers put their babies, when they go to work etc..
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Ben_Reilly wrote:Warren Moon wrote:Where's the creche area?
What does this slang mean? What does it mean to get out of the creche? Can anybody appreciate that not everyone here speaks British?
its like a kindergarten..
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Ben_Reilly wrote:Warren Moon wrote:Where's the creche area?
What does this slang mean? What does it mean to get out of the creche? Can anybody appreciate that not everyone here speaks British?
There is no such language as BRITISH , it is English and even thick colonials can manage it.
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Catman wrote:Kindergarten.
oops thats german, which won't help much..lol
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crèche (krɛʃ; kreɪʃ; French krɛʃ)
n
1. (Education)
a. a day nursery for very young children
b. a supervised play area provided for young children for short periods
2. (Ecclesiastical Terms) a tableau of Christ's Nativity
3. (Social Welfare) a foundling home or hospital
[C19: from Old French: manger, crib, ultimately of Germanic origin; compare Old High German kripja crib]
May I remind you that the USA took our language, bastardized it and then called it their own.
n
1. (Education)
a. a day nursery for very young children
b. a supervised play area provided for young children for short periods
2. (Ecclesiastical Terms) a tableau of Christ's Nativity
3. (Social Welfare) a foundling home or hospital
[C19: from Old French: manger, crib, ultimately of Germanic origin; compare Old High German kripja crib]
May I remind you that the USA took our language, bastardized it and then called it their own.
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heavenly father wrote:Catman wrote:Kindergarten.
oops thats german, which won't help much..lol
Same term in the US i think.
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Catman wrote:heavenly father wrote:
oops thats german, which won't help much..lol
Same term in the US i think.
oh thats ok then..lol
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heavenly father wrote:Catman wrote:
Same term in the US i think.
oh thats ok then..lol
Bet he's gobbled a few Frankfurters in his time though.
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Warren Moon wrote:crèche (krɛʃ; kreɪʃ; French krɛʃ)
n
1. (Education)
a. a day nursery for very young children
b. a supervised play area provided for young children for short periods
2. (Ecclesiastical Terms) a tableau of Christ's Nativity
3. (Social Welfare) a foundling home or hospital
[C19: from Old French: manger, crib, ultimately of Germanic origin; compare Old High German kripja crib]
May I remind you that the USA took our language, bastardized it and then called it their own.
Well, I did look it up, and the first definition Google returned for me was:
"a model or tableau representing the scene of Jesus Christ's birth, displayed in homes or public places at Christmas."
So please forgive my dreadful misunderstanding.
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ALLAKAKA wrote:Ben_Reilly wrote:
What does this slang mean? What does it mean to get out of the creche? Can anybody appreciate that not everyone here speaks British?
There is no such language as BRITISH , it is English and even thick colonials can manage it.
Yes but Ben Speaks American English,
I am Sure if we wanted we could have a conversation that he wouldn't understand using the Mutual slang of the Commonwealth.
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ALLAKAKA wrote:heavenly father wrote:Catman wrote:
Same term in the US i think.
oh thats ok then..lol
Bet he's gobbled a few Frankfurters in his time though.
Wow, for such an anti-homosexual guy, you sure seem obsessed with the sex acts gay men perform upon one another. It seem like you're constantly thinking about them ...
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Bet he's gobbled a few Frankfurters in his time though.
Wow, for such an anti-homosexual guy, you sure seem obsessed with the sex acts gay men perform upon one another. It seem like you're constantly thinking about them ...
Strange how you understood that and reacted to it , but did not understand Creche.
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Ben_Reilly wrote:I have had a VERY long day with my real job and it isn't even close to over. I will be logging out until I can spend the time responding to everyone who thinks they can administrate this site better than I can, and as I mentioned earlier, I will be posting some guidelines for future participation.
In the meantime, if you don't like it here, you know how to log off, and it's not hard to delete your account. Be my guest! But if you are only here to fight with other members, you are going to have to learn to adjust or your days here are numbered, and that goes for every single member.
Contrasting views is one thing. Just being here to get into flame wars with people you don't like has NOTHING to do with having a different opinion.
I will make it clear what this site is for and what type of members are welcome later on. In the meantime, I'm totally exhausted and, like I said, still have a very busy day ahead doing work that actually pays.
Ben your heart is in the right place but this is just history repeating itself. This is the third or fourth (maybe fifth) forum that has become like this.
It won't change because of the mix of people, the history and the pure enjoyment that certain members get from engaging in battle with one another.
I told you you'd need luck, and you really will!
You seem a good guy who's trying his best, but boy, your best is never good enough when you're trying to stop two opposing teams enjoying kicking the crap out of each other.
May as well realise now, that the more you try and pull them apart, the more they fall in love with hating their mirrored opponent.
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One thing though Eddie, no matter how many are at odds with each other funny how they are always drawn to debate against each other, which says to me they want to be able to meet all and debate each other, no matter how much they moan
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Eddie, I set this site up as a place for me and some friends I've made online over the years to hang out at. I have no problem wielding the ban-hammer like Thor chasing cockroaches if it keeps this site from becoming a cesspool. I have no problem losing three-quarters or more of our membership if it turns NewsFix into the type of place where people can come to have civil, if heated, debates with grown adults. I won't be held hostage.
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PhilDidge wrote:One thing though Eddie, no matter how many are at odds with each other funny how they are always drawn to debate against each other, which says to me they want to be able to meet all and debate each other, no matter how much they moan
That's what I said didge, they love to hate
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Ben_Reilly wrote:Eddie, I set this site up as a place for me and some friends I've made online over the years to hang out at. I have no problem wielding the ban-hammer like Thor chasing cockroaches if it keeps this site from becoming a cesspool. I have no problem losing three-quarters of our membership if it turns NewsFix into the type of place where people can come to have civil, if heated, debates with grown adults.
Rightly so. Just don't expect to be able to do it quietly and without people bitching, whining and moaning.
After all, we are English. It's what we do best.
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Daddy....I've finished my lollipop ..... can I have a story?
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ALLAKAKA wrote:Ben_Reilly wrote:ALLAKAKA wrote:
Bet he's gobbled a few Frankfurters in his time though.
Wow, for such an anti-homosexual guy, you sure seem obsessed with the sex acts gay men perform upon one another. It seem like you're constantly thinking about them ...
Strange how you understood that and reacted to it , but did not understand Creche.
We have Frankfurters (usually call them hotdogs) in the U.S. Like I said, "creche" is not the term we use ("kindergarten" is) and when I looked it up I saw that it meant a Nativity scene.
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I dont know why you bothered Ben. Phyllis is at least as bad and probably the worst in terms of gratuitous foul mouthed insults. He and his sidekick Sassy love to get forums to this point where major ejections occur.
We say nothing to him that isnt founded in fact. E.g. he taunts about tax we reply with his workshy reputation he should pay a bit himself. He is one bone idle f ker therefore his constant back the benefits scrounger themes naturally elicit references to his studious avoidance of work.
We say nothing to him that isnt founded in fact. E.g. he taunts about tax we reply with his workshy reputation he should pay a bit himself. He is one bone idle f ker therefore his constant back the benefits scrounger themes naturally elicit references to his studious avoidance of work.
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eddie wrote:Ben_Reilly wrote:Eddie, I set this site up as a place for me and some friends I've made online over the years to hang out at. I have no problem wielding the ban-hammer like Thor chasing cockroaches if it keeps this site from becoming a cesspool. I have no problem losing three-quarters of our membership if it turns NewsFix into the type of place where people can come to have civil, if heated, debates with grown adults.
Rightly so. Just don't expect to be able to do it quietly and without people bitching, whining and moaning.
After all, we are English. It's what we do best.
Hi Eddie!
Can you post some of your own, personal, music tracks to the entertainment section please!
I miss those tracks, i tried to search for them on youtube, but i can't find them....I miss that content!
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Clarkson wrote:I dont know why you bothered Ben. Phyllis is at least as bad and probably the worst in terms of gratuitous foul mouthed insults. He and his sidekick Sassy love to get forums to this point where major ejections occur.
We say nothing to him that isnt founded in fact. E.g. he taunts about tax we reply with his workshy reputation he should pay a bit himself. He is one bone idle f ker therefore his constant back the benefits scrounger themes naturally elicit references to his studious avoidance if work.
I rest my case, the sad fact is drinky 90% of your posting would be non-existent without sassy and catman, as they are mainly directed at them, so what would you do without them, pick on someone else. I have no like of either of these posters but it is a bit rich to make claims on them when you feed off what they post!
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Didge you love to debate both sides of the argument. I have an issue with free loaders.
You do split hairs because you like to pkay both sides that wasnt an insult merely an observation old boy.
I might add you regularly fall out with both sides allow me to do the same.
You do split hairs because you like to pkay both sides that wasnt an insult merely an observation old boy.
I might add you regularly fall out with both sides allow me to do the same.
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Clarkson wrote:Didge you love to debate both sides of the argument. I have an issue with free loaders.
You do split hairs because you like to pkay both sides that wasnt an insult merely an observation old boy.
I might add you regularly fall out with both sides allow me to do the same.
If you always agree with one "side," what kind of person are you anyway? Pretty much just a puppet or a follower in my opinion. Disagreement is good and healthy.
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Ben rather tan chase you about the threads im not complaining about scatman to you. I have legtimate concerns about a guy crying out to tax us to death when he is doing so to rip us off.
He opens threads about free loaders I give a little back.
Scatmans threads are personal "tory cu-nts" taunting or simply spam filled you tube songs calling us (oh how original) tory c-nts.
Why are you concerned about our responses. Perchance scatman has been moaning along with his hoppo?
Im fine thanks I dont neec any help.
Much appreciated you offering mind.
He opens threads about free loaders I give a little back.
Scatmans threads are personal "tory cu-nts" taunting or simply spam filled you tube songs calling us (oh how original) tory c-nts.
Why are you concerned about our responses. Perchance scatman has been moaning along with his hoppo?
Im fine thanks I dont neec any help.
Much appreciated you offering mind.
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You will find that on occasion Ben I take a very liberal view about some things despite my rw credentials.
E.g I agree with the legalisation of drugs the battle is lost better it is controlled by the govt than organised crime. That is very anti Tory policy.
My style on here has I admit been aggressive at times but being at the mercy of the comrades on previous forums has been replaced by a new found freedom on here.
Those comrades who moan now have killed many a good forum My view is unless someone us spamming or being downright disgusting or hugely offensive let it ride.
My god there are still definitely more left wingers on here and without us rwers you aint got a debate as victor found out when the rwers were pushed out one by one.
E.g I agree with the legalisation of drugs the battle is lost better it is controlled by the govt than organised crime. That is very anti Tory policy.
My style on here has I admit been aggressive at times but being at the mercy of the comrades on previous forums has been replaced by a new found freedom on here.
Those comrades who moan now have killed many a good forum My view is unless someone us spamming or being downright disgusting or hugely offensive let it ride.
My god there are still definitely more left wingers on here and without us rwers you aint got a debate as victor found out when the rwers were pushed out one by one.
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Clarkson wrote:Ben rather tan chase you about the threads im not complaining about scatman to you. I have legtimate concerns about a guy crying out to tax us to death when he is doing so to rip us off.
He opens threads about free loaders I give a little back.
Scatmans threads are personal "tory cu-nts" taunting or simply spam filled you tube songs calling us (oh how original) tory c-nts.
Why are you concerned about our responses. Perchance scatman has been moaning along with his hoppo?
Im fine thanks I dont neec any help.
Much appreciated you offering mind.
I have this bad habit of chiming in when it's not necessary ... :-:bravo:-: :-:bravo:-: :-:bravo:-:
To address the rest, I understand you have a problem with Catman, and vice-versa. That's cool and fine and all -- let's just keep from crossing lines. The other moderators and I will do our best to apply that fairly, but please remember we can't have our eyes everywhere at once. To be honest, I have gotten tips from both left-wing and right-wing members here about things going on in threads that I hadn't seen, and they have been helpful. Also remember that just because someone brings something to my attention does not going to mean I'll do what they recommend -- I will make up my own mind.
I pointed out the other day, I really do try to be fair to everyone, even those I disagree with. It's hard, as you may be able to imagine, to take someone posting something you're 100 percent dead against and just let it play out rather than jumping in -- but I personally think that very few people here have been shut down, and that when they have, it's not been without good reason.
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Catman wrote:eddie wrote:
Rightly so. Just don't expect to be able to do it quietly and without people bitching, whining and moaning.
After all, we are English. It's what we do best.
Hi Eddie!
Can you post some of your own, personal, music tracks to the entertainment section please!
I miss those tracks, i tried to search for them on youtube, but i can't find them....I miss that content!
Hi Phil, yes I'll do it later when I get on my laptop x
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Catman wrote:Oh, and before anyone accuses me of running to Ben, i didn't.
Shady & Clarkson made some disgusting remarks about Doug on the Edwina thread, and i only complained about that thread.
You recently wished me dead in one of your posts so how do you expect me to treat you?
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Ben_Reilly wrote:Clarkson wrote:Ben rather tan chase you about the threads im not complaining about scatman to you. I have legtimate concerns about a guy crying out to tax us to death when he is doing so to rip us off.
He opens threads about free loaders I give a little back.
Scatmans threads are personal "tory cu-nts" taunting or simply spam filled you tube songs calling us (oh how original) tory c-nts.
Why are you concerned about our responses. Perchance scatman has been moaning along with his hoppo?
Im fine thanks I dont neec any help.
Much appreciated you offering mind.
I have this bad habit of chiming in when it's not necessary ... :-:bravo:-: :-:bravo:-: :-:bravo:-:
To address the rest, I understand you have a problem with Catman, and vice-versa. That's cool and fine and all -- let's just keep from crossing lines. The other moderators and I will do our best to apply that fairly, but please remember we can't have our eyes everywhere at once. To be honest, I have gotten tips from both left-wing and right-wing members here about things going on in threads that I hadn't seen, and they have been helpful. Also remember that just because someone brings something to my attention does not going to mean I'll do what they recommend -- I will make up my own mind.
I pointed out the other day, I really do try to be fair to everyone, even those I disagree with. It's hard, as you may be able to imagine, to take someone posting something you're 100 percent dead against and just let it play out rather than jumping in -- but I personally think that very few people here have been shut down, and that when they have, it's not been without good reason.
You know that that cunt refers to me as Scatman, which is highly offensive, tbf Ben, if he is allowed to constantly abuse me, there is only so much that i will put up with before i start responding directly again.
I have put up with the constant abuses, and i won't tolerate much more of it before i start responding to every post in kind.
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eddie wrote:Catman wrote:
Hi Eddie!
Can you post some of your own, personal, music tracks to the entertainment section please!
I miss those tracks, i tried to search for them on youtube, but i can't find them....I miss that content!
Hi Phil, yes I'll do it later when I get on my laptop x
Thanks Eddie.
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Catman wrote:Ben_Reilly wrote:
I have this bad habit of chiming in when it's not necessary ... :-:bravo:-: :-:bravo:-: :-:bravo:-:
To address the rest, I understand you have a problem with Catman, and vice-versa. That's cool and fine and all -- let's just keep from crossing lines. The other moderators and I will do our best to apply that fairly, but please remember we can't have our eyes everywhere at once. To be honest, I have gotten tips from both left-wing and right-wing members here about things going on in threads that I hadn't seen, and they have been helpful. Also remember that just because someone brings something to my attention does not going to mean I'll do what they recommend -- I will make up my own mind.
I pointed out the other day, I really do try to be fair to everyone, even those I disagree with. It's hard, as you may be able to imagine, to take someone posting something you're 100 percent dead against and just let it play out rather than jumping in -- but I personally think that very few people here have been shut down, and that when they have, it's not been without good reason.
You know that that cunt refers to me as Scatman, which is highly offensive, tbf Ben, if he is allowed to constantly abuse me, there is only so much that i will put up with before i start responding directly again.
I have put up with the constant abuses, and i won't tolerate much more of it before i start responding to every post in kind.
This is Catman's routine epithet for anyone and everyone who is a Tory - or might even remotely be a Tory in his mind.
It regularly appears in his posts; it has appeared in headings and it seems to influence his choice of videos.
It's either that or "prick", "nazi", "whore" or "scum."
Compared to those, "Scatman", far from being "highly offensive", could almost be regarded as a term of endearment.
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Fred Moletrousers wrote:Catman wrote:
You know that that cunt refers to me as Scatman, which is highly offensive, tbf Ben, if he is allowed to constantly abuse me, there is only so much that i will put up with before i start responding directly again.
I have put up with the constant abuses, and i won't tolerate much more of it before i start responding to every post in kind.
This is Catman's routine epithet for anyone and everyone who is a Tory - or might even remotely be a Tory in his mind.
It regularly appears in his posts; it has appeared in headings and it seems to influence his choice of videos.
It's either that or "prick", "nazi", "whore" or "scum."
Compared to those, "Scatman", far from being "highly offensive", could almost be regarded as a term of endearment.
Are you going senile.
Only yesterday, you made a post to Scrat which was littered with abuse, and you used the word 'scum' in that post as well!
Prick.
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Sticks and stones may break my bones......
I met a lady last Tuesday, her daughter goes to the same little dance class as my Jasmine.
This is her second daughter. Her first went off to nursery aged just two and a half years old and was found hanging in the nursery playhouse.
She died.
I guess I'd rather be called anything than have that happen.
I met a lady last Tuesday, her daughter goes to the same little dance class as my Jasmine.
This is her second daughter. Her first went off to nursery aged just two and a half years old and was found hanging in the nursery playhouse.
She died.
I guess I'd rather be called anything than have that happen.
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eddie wrote:Sticks and stones may break my bones......
I met a lady last Tuesday, her daughter goes to the same little dance class as my Jasmine.
This is her second daughter. Her first went off to nursery aged just two and a half years old and was found hanging in the nursery playhouse.
She died.
I guess I'd rather be called anything than have that happen.
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Non comprendoezisisis.
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BigAndy9 wrote:eddie wrote:Sticks and stones may break my bones......
I met a lady last Tuesday, her daughter goes to the same little dance class as my Jasmine.
This is her second daughter. Her first went off to nursery aged just two and a half years old and was found hanging in the nursery playhouse.
She died.
I guess I'd rather be called anything than have that happen.
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Non comprendoezisisis.
Lol what does a few silly names mean when you face a horrifying ordeal like the one that poor lady did?
I'd rather be called all the names under the sun than have that happen to me.
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My position?
Some people are going to hate me - so what? That is their problem not mine. If they decide to put their feelings into action I will defend myself as needed.
My friends are the ones who accept me anyway and their opinions are far more important than those that hate me.
Some people are going to hate me - so what? That is their problem not mine. If they decide to put their feelings into action I will defend myself as needed.
My friends are the ones who accept me anyway and their opinions are far more important than those that hate me.
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Shady wrote:Good afternoon Folks.
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eddie wrote:Shady wrote:Good afternoon Folks.
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Shady, you're ticking like a time-bomb.
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Shady wrote:eddie wrote:
Shady, you're ticking like a time-bomb.
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Cass wrote:Shady wrote:eddie wrote:
Shady, you're ticking like a time-bomb.
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Re: STOP ABUSING OTHER MEMBERS
Personally I think it is appalling that one poster has to go to bed in tears clutching his Teddy.
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Re: STOP ABUSING OTHER MEMBERS
ALLAKAKA wrote:
Personally I think it is appalling that one poster has to go to bed in tears clutching his Teddy.
Sorry to hear that, Allakaka! Did you feel better in the morning?
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