Black-clad jerks in Berkeley

While people in Houston and vicinity were acting heroically and selflessly on Sunday, about a hundred black-clad “anarchists” showed up in Berkeley to attack a handful of peaceful rightwing demonstrators. (No Nazi flags in sight, although that wouldn’t have justified it.) These thugs are a menace, not least to the anti-racist cause, and they should have been arrested en masse.

Well done to the woman above (likely not a member of the alt-Right) for bravely intervening to rescue the victim of the assault.

http://hurryupharry.org/2017/08/28/black-clad-jerks-in-berkeley/


Video on link

Now I certainly do not support Trump, and he needs to be impeached but these Far Left extremists, are as stated a menace and do noting for the anti-racism cause. 

A lengthy video of the violence here

I'm sure they were just peacekeepers. We don't want any 'Heather Heyers' in California.

Original Quill wrote:I'm sure they were just peacekeepers.  We don't want any 'Heather Heyers' in California.

You seemed to have misplaced your reading glasses again, and are wearing your stupid ones again

So you don;t want Trump supporters in California, but are happy with Left wing extremists

Talk about the worst double standard going

Thorin wrote:So you don;t want Trump supporters in California, but are happy with Left wing extremists

Talk about the worst double standard going

They are just peacekeepers, didge. You know how those KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists get. On a moments notice, they are liable to kill someone with a vehicle.

It would be easy for things to get out of hand. You have to take precautions.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:So you don;t want Trump supporters in California, but are happy with Left wing extremists

Talk about the worst double standard going

They are just peacekeepers, didge.  You know how those KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists get.  On a moments notice, they are liable to kill someone with a vehicle.

It would be easy for things to get out of hand.  You have to take precautions.

Guess you need to find your reading glasses again, off get off the crack.
One or the other will do.

There were no Nazi;s there and as seen all the violence came from, the Far left.

This is the problem with you. Where I stand against all extremism, you make excuses for leftist extremists.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:So you don;t want Trump supporters in California, but are happy with Left wing extremists

Talk about the worst double standard going

They are just peacekeepers, didge.  

they are vile, violent, cowardly, masked up, weapon carrying fascist thugs who think it's ok to beat up on random people

they have no valid argument whatsoever

they are a crusty skidmark on the pants of humanity,,,even more so than the ones they claim to fight

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

They are just peacekeepers, didge.  You know how those KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists get.  On a moments notice, they are liable to kill someone with a vehicle.

It would be easy for things to get out of hand.  You have to take precautions.

Guess you need to find your reading glasses again, off get off the crack.
One or the other will do.

There were no Nazi;s there and as seen all the violence came from, the Far left.

This is the problem with you. Where I stand against all extremism, you make excuses for leftist extremists.

They are peacekeepers. Who knows who is going to turn up to these Charlottesville things? The last time an innocent girl was murdered. Better safe than sorry.

gelico wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

They are just peacekeepers, didge.  

they are vile, violent, cowardly, masked up, weapon carrying fascist thugs who think it's ok to beat up on random people

they have no valid argument whatsoever

they are a crusty skidmark on the pants of humanity,,,even more so than the ones they claim to fight

So says the Nazi-sympathizer. Nice adjectives...but no cigar.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Guess you need to find your reading glasses again, off get off the crack.
One or the other will do.

There were no Nazi;s there and as seen all the violence came from, the Far left.

This is the problem with you. Where I stand against all extremism, you make excuses for leftist extremists.

They are peacekeepers.  Who knows who is going to turn up to these Charlottesville things?  The last time an innocent girl was murdered.  Better safe than sorry.

You are talking gibberish and defending violent people

Peace keepers do not actively engage in violence

Martin Luther King must be turning over in his grave at your defense of violent extremists.

Original Quill wrote:

gelico wrote:

they are vile, violent, cowardly, masked up, weapon carrying fascist thugs who think it's ok to beat up on random people

they have no valid argument whatsoever

they are a crusty skidmark on the pants of humanity,,,even more so than the ones they claim to fight

So says the Nazi-sympathizer.  Nice adjectives...but no cigar.  

Show me anywhere that Gelico has shown she is a Nazi-sympathizer.?

She will condemn any extremism, like me, and unlike you

Original Quill wrote:

gelico wrote:

they are vile, violent, cowardly, masked up, weapon carrying fascist thugs who think it's ok to beat up on random people

they have no valid argument whatsoever

they are a crusty skidmark on the pants of humanity,,,even more so than the ones they claim to fight

So says the Nazi-sympathizer.  Nice adjectives...but no cigar.  

you know perfectly well what i said was right so you start to name call instead of dealing with it. yawn,,,,how very lazy and childish of you, and, just so you know, completely pointless. I am oblivious to name calling

over here quill we have/had a political party called the BNP. vile party, vile leader. the elite decided to squash him, smeared him, would never give him air time.

unfortunately it seem to backfire as it gave him victim status, plus people were worried about immigration, plus people were pissed off at the expenses scandal and a whole load of other things. it was kind of the perfect time for a real nazi style party to emerge.

anyhoos, establishment changed tactics and decided to give him air time. he was on question time, he was giving interviews etc...and guess what? the more he spoke the more people just thought eewww, you're pants and so is your party and their support plummetted.

you don't beat nazis by smashing up people and property randomly, you don't beat nazis by beating up police, you don't beat nazis by throwing bottles of piss about

you bring them into the open and let them speak and let people see what they're about

you seem to think that the general public haven't got any sense and would be soooo influenced by these muppets that you need to send in funded thugs to ''protect us all''

get a fucking grip man

They'r Peace keepers? Put that Crack pipe down and start talking sense for a change. Who the fuck has brainwashed you?

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

So says the Nazi-sympathizer.  Nice adjectives...but no cigar.  

Show me anywhere that Gelico has shown she is a Nazi-sympathizer.?

She will condemn any extremism, like me, and unlike you

thank you didge, and i can certainly vouch for you too

gelico wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Show me anywhere that Gelico has shown she is a Nazi-sympathizer.?

She will condemn any extremism, like me, and unlike you

thank you didge, and i can certainly vouch for you too

Both your posts have given greens, as they are well deserved and said way better than I did.

It seems the media are starting to wake up.



What gets me is why they are allowed to cover their faces???

In many US states and the District of Columbia, there are anti-mask laws.^[1]

• Anti-mask laws date back to the mid-20th century when states and municipalities passed them to stop the violent activities of the Ku Klux Klan, whose members typically wore hoods of white linen to conceal their identities.^[2][3]
  
  
• In the 21st century those laws have been applied to political protesters such as those affiliated with the Occupy Movement or Anonymous—wearing Guy Fawkes masks—.^[4][5][6][7]
  
  
• In some areas motorcyclists have been arrested using anti-masking laws as an illegal form of offender profiling.
  
  

As most of them if made to take off their masks would not dare engage in violence.

The Police need to get tough on this

Thorin wrote:

gelico wrote:


thank you didge, and i can certainly vouch for you too

Both your posts have given greens, as they are well deserved and said way better than I did.

It seems the media are starting to wake up.



What gets me is why they are allowed to cover their faces???

In many US states and the District of Columbia, there are anti-mask laws.^[1]

• Anti-mask laws date back to the mid-20th century when states and municipalities passed them to stop the violent activities of the Ku Klux Klan, whose members typically wore hoods of white linen to conceal their identities.^[2][3]
  
  
• In the 21st century those laws have been applied to political protesters such as those affiliated with the Occupy Movement or Anonymous—wearing Guy Fawkes masks—.^[4][5][6][7]
  
  
• In some areas motorcyclists have been arrested using anti-masking laws as an illegal form of offender profiling.
  
  

As most of them if made to take off their masks would not dare engage in violence.

The Police need to get tough on this

thanks didge

have you seen this woman?

i'm liking her a lot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S2TZOdXAtQ

gelico wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Show me anywhere that Gelico has shown she is a Nazi-sympathizer.?

She will condemn any extremism, like me, and unlike you

thank you didge, and i can certainly vouch for you too

Gotta a gang building here.  

Didge, the peacemakers are there to oppose the Neo-Nazis.  It follows that anyone who opposes the peacemakers, is sympathetic to Neo-Nazis.  In this context, this also makes gelico a white-supremacist and possibly a KKK-sympathizer.

I know that deductive reasoning is elusive to you, but follow me: if you're against the people who oppose Nazis, you are in favor of Nazis.

Unquestionably, gelico is a Nazi or a Nazi-sympathizer.

Anarchists are not "far left" extremists  --  by definition, "anarchists" are apolitical/non-political,  as they place themselves outside of any organised groups or associations...

Many "anarchist" agitatators and antagonists are only there for the fighting, brawling and rioting --  a core element of those anarchists is to attack any kind of authority or organised gathering..

By tagging anarchist groups as "left wing" Thorin just continues to display his political ignorance, while happily lapping up the apologist propaganda from his usual alt.right blather_site sources.

gelico wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

They are just peacekeepers, didge.  

they are vile, violent, cowardly, masked up, weapon carrying fascist thugs who think it's ok to beat up on random people

they have no valid argument whatsoever

they are a crusty skidmark on the pants of humanity,,,even more so than the ones they claim to fight

No, fuckbrain...

They are "vile, violent, cowardly, masked up..." anarchist thugs..

Get an education, you ignorant twat.

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

So says the Nazi-sympathizer.  Nice adjectives...but no cigar.  

Show me anywhere that Gelico has shown she is a Nazi-sympathizer.?

She will condemn any extremism, like me, and unlike you

Bullshit, Dodge...

Gelico is a right-wing, nazi-apologist to the core..

Just like her fellow trolling FlopCave fascist twat hens club friends on here.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Anarchists are not "far left" extremists  --  by definition, "anarchists" are apolitical/non-political,  as they place themselves outside of any organised groups or associations...

Many "anarchist" agitatators and antagonists are only there for the fighting, brawling and rioting --  a core element of those anarchists is to attack any kind of authority or organised gathering..

By tagging anarchist groups as "left wing" Thorin just continues to display his political ignorance, while happily lapping up the apologist propaganda from his usual alt.right blather_site sources.

Yes Anarchists are Far left extremists, you ignorant anti-Semitic racist wally


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-left_politics

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

gelico wrote:


they are vile, violent, cowardly, masked up, weapon carrying fascist thugs who think it's ok to beat up on random people

they have no valid argument whatsoever

they are a crusty skidmark on the pants of humanity,,,even more so than the ones they claim to fight

No,  fuckbrain...

They are "vile, violent, cowardly, masked up..."  anarchist thugs..

Get an education,  you ignorant twat.

And communist thugs you ignorant racist antisemitic twat

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Show me anywhere that Gelico has shown she is a Nazi-sympathizer.?

She will condemn any extremism, like me, and unlike you

Bullshit,  Dodge...

Gelico is a right-wing, nazi-apologist to the core..

Just like her fellow trolling FlopCave fascist twat hens club friends on here.

Really? She stands against all extremism. This is all you ever do, when you do not like a poster, call them a fascist or Nazis, making you utterly pathetic

It seems you have far more in common with Nazism, of you hate of Zionism, which is practically the majority of global Jews, who simple believe in a Jewish homeland. Which you spout hate against.



Now how about you fuck off with your hate you twat.

gelico wrote:

Thorin wrote:



Both your posts have given greens, as they are well deserved and said way better than I did.

It seems the media are starting to wake up.



What gets me is why they are allowed to cover their faces???



As most of them if made to take off their masks would not dare engage in violence.

The Police need to get tough on this

thanks didge

have you seen this woman?

i'm liking her a lot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S2TZOdXAtQ

She is really good, did you watch the one she did on the demands made buy Black lives matter leader to whites?

Original Quill wrote:

gelico wrote:


thank you didge, and i can certainly vouch for you too

Gotta a gang building here.  

Didge, the peacemakers are there to oppose the Neo-Nazis.  It follows that anyone who opposes the peacemakers, is sympathetic to Neo-Nazis.  In this context, this also makes gelico a white-supremacist and possibly a KKK-sympathizer.

I know that deductive reasoning is elusive to you, but follow me: if you're against the people who oppose Nazis, you are in favor of Nazis.

Unquestionably, gelico is a Nazi or a Nazi-sympathizer.

But the above is false bollocks, as antifa is against anyone right off Stalin and classes them as fascist. Is Anti any Government (bar communism), Anti-capitalist, anti-Free Speech and illiberal s.

Being peacemakers is about stopping violence, not instigating violence. So they can never be classed as peacemakers. This was not an event of Nazi's either, which even more renders your view moot and wrong.

So you are saying defending Free speech makes a person a sympathizer to a belief?

Yes that belief is Liberalism, also a defender of the First Amendment and the American Constitution.

Which means Antifa is anti all the above.

So bang goes your defense of a Far left extremist group

Where as Gelico condemns all extremism

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

gelico wrote:


they are vile, violent, cowardly, masked up, weapon carrying fascist thugs who think it's ok to beat up on random people

they have no valid argument whatsoever

they are a crusty skidmark on the pants of humanity,,,even more so than the ones they claim to fight

No,  fuckbrain...

They are "vile, violent, cowardly, masked up..."  anarchist thugs..

Get an education,  you ignorant twat.

now now wetwipe

number one rule of fascism

shut down those who disagree, shut down those who look like they might disagree, shut down free speech just in case.

that's the goal of the Antifa sewer rats

Thorin wrote:But the above is false bollocks, as antifa is against anyone right off Stalin and classes them as fascist. Is Anti any Government (bar communism), Anti-capitalist, anti-Free Speech and illiberal s.

Being peacemakers is about stopping violence, not instigating violence. So they can never be classed as peacemakers. This was not an event of Nazi's either, which even more renders your view moot and wrong.

So you are saying defending Free speech makes a person a sympathizer to a belief?

Yes that belief is Liberalism, also a defender of the First Amendment and the American Constitution.

Which means Antifa is anti all the above.

So bang goes your defense of a Far left extremist group

Where as Gelico condemns all extremism

This is just the kind of response one would expect from a Neo-Nazi.  The peacemakers are there to make sure the KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists cannot kill again.  The peacemakers prevent them and protect the innocent.  

Yet the Neo-Nazis and white supremacists need to kill in order to express their hate and declare their Trumpism.  We saw that months ago in Charleston (Dylan Roof), and here again in Charlottesville (James Fields).  

Hence, the enemy of the Nazis become the peacemakers...the ones who would stop them from killing.  Thus, the Nazis victim posture for temporary effect.  The Nazis and white supremacists have lost all sense of morality to the question; their sole purpose is manipulative...to play the victim in the hope that the appearance of righteousness (of the peacemakers) will rub off on them.  Try to turn the tables.  Precisely what the Bolsheviks did to the more peaceful Mensheviks, back in 1917...predator in sheep's clothing.

I'm so proud that my hometown, Berkeley, was the battleground for righteousness...and we kicked their evil asses!!

Wolf, can't you stop with the vile insults against the Ladies on here? is that how your Mother brought you up? How would you feel if your Mother had remarks like that directed at her? Where are the MODS on here?

nicko wrote:Wolf, can't you stop with the vile insults against the Ladies on here?   is that how your Mother brought you up?    How would you feel if your Mother had remarks like that directed at her?      Where are the MODS on here?

  LADIES???  'Scuse me...I spilled my cup o coffee.  

Nicko...you old sexist bastard.  You've just insulted them.  We're all equal on a written forum. Do you not think they are equal to the task?? Shame on you.

Original Quill wrote:

nicko wrote:Wolf, can't you stop with the vile insults against the Ladies on here?   is that how your Mother brought you up?    How would you feel if your Mother had remarks like that directed at her?      Where are the MODS on here?

  LADIES???  'Scuse me...I spilled my cup o coffee.  

Nicko...you old sexist bastard.  You've just insulted them.  We're all equal on a written forum.  Do you not think they are equal to the task??  Shame on you.  

How easy it is to separate the gents from the pigs, the men from the boys, the people of worth from the scumbags.....without ever even clapping eyes on them.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:But the above is false bollocks, as antifa is against anyone right off Stalin and classes them as fascist. Is Anti any Government (bar communism), Anti-capitalist, anti-Free Speech and illiberal s.

Being peacemakers is about stopping violence, not instigating violence. So they can never be classed as peacemakers. This was not an event of Nazi's either, which even more renders your view moot and wrong.

So you are saying defending Free speech makes a person a sympathizer to a belief?

Yes that belief is Liberalism, also a defender of the First Amendment and the American Constitution.

Which means Antifa is anti all the above.

So bang goes your defense of a Far left extremist group

Where as Gelico condemns all extremism

This is just the kind of response one would expect from a Neo-Nazi.  The peacemakers are there to make sure the KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists cannot kill again.  The peacemakers prevent them and protect the innocent.  

Thorin wrote: Ah when all else fails just label the opponent a Nazi, based off no evidence but in a desperate attempt to deligitimize him. The event was an at anti-Marxism event, which had Trump supporters. Not neo-Nazi's or white supremacist. Even if it had, that does not mean left wing extremists can use violence against people of beliefs they do not like. As they are then against the First Amendment and thus fundamentally at odds with the American constitution, Most of all being criminals.

Yet the Neo-Nazis and white supremacists need to kill in order to express their hate and declare their Trumpism.  We saw that months ago in Charleston (Dylan Roof), and here again in Charlottesville (James Fields).  

Thorin wrote: So based on your methodology, why has it seen a history of Communist violence in just about every nation where the Marxist experiment has played out and taken control? Where tens of Millions have been denied humans rights, oppressed and suffered genocide? Should we then not rightly be concerned about Far left extremist groups as we rightly are about Far right extremism? Are they not the exact same narcissistic group mentality thugs, using violence to promote their views?

Now I stand against both the Far Right and the Far left, but you continually as seen are an apologist of violence from the Far Left, as a means to be used against people who's beliefs you do not like. That sounds very much similar to Nazism to me,than anything I believe

Hence, the enemy of Nazis becomes the peacemakers...the ones who would stop them from killing.  Thus, the Nazis victim posture is for temporary effect.  The Nazis and white supremacists have lost all sense of morality to the question; their sole purpose is manipulative...to play the victim in the hope that the appearance of righteousness (of the peacemakers) will rub off on them.  Try to turn the tables.
Precisely what the Bolsheviks did to the more peaceful Mensheviks, back in 1917...predator in sheep's clothing.

Thorin wrote: Is that they originally jumped in to bed with Hitler? How they both invaded Poland. The 1920's saw communist groups attack any right leaning or centrist group in Germany. Which to combat this saws the rise of the Freikorps, former German soldiers. You see it was not Nazism that started the violence but the Communists with the Spartacus rising. You see yet again this led to the rise of Nazi Brownshirts on the streets, due to again the Far left violence. So now this escalation of violence saw people come to support the Nazi's more and more. So the Far left with its violence helped create Far right groups to counter its violence. Of course the Brownshirt attacked others groups as well like Jews, due to racial hatred. Leading to more and more violence when many innocents suffered. All the left extremist militants in Germany were funded by the Soviet Union. People though were seduced by Hitlers lies and hate and then it was too late They were going nowhere of course and only later capitalized on the Wall street Crash. So leftist violence did not to stem the rise of Hitler, in fact it aided his rise to power.

To even claim the Bolsheviks were peaceful, shows you have not got a clue at the violence and murder that occurred throughout the Russian revolution.

I'm so proud that my hometown, Berkeley, was the battleground for righteousness...and we kicked their evil asses!!

Then that makes you a person that backs people breaking the law. Meaning you back violence against people based on their beliefs. Meaning you are against the First Amendment and the American constitution. It means you are an illiberal and defending what is for all intents and purpose the terrorist actions of a group, Who seek to use violence  to shut down any group who's views they do not agree with. Only recently they threatened to use violence on a Free Speech talk held by Gad Saad and Jordan Perteson, of which neither are Nazi's.

The worst thing here, is now because of your poor and daft methodology, you make it also acceptable for white supremacists to use violence on anyone who's belief's they disagree with. As this is the precedent you have set.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

  LADIES???  'Scuse me...I spilled my cup o coffee.  

Nicko...you old sexist bastard.  You've just insulted them.  We're all equal on a written forum.  Do you not think they are equal to the task??  Shame on you.  

How easy it is to separate the gents from the pigs, the men from the boys, the people of worth from the scumbags.....without ever even clapping eyes on them.

Oh my...we've begun evasive maneuvers. Having a difficult time with the topic, folks?

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

How easy it is to separate the gents from the pigs, the men from the boys, the people of worth from the scumbags.....without ever even clapping eyes on them.

Oh my...we've begun evasive maneuvers.  Having a difficult time with the topic, folks?

I think people can quickly lose interest in a topic when wetwipe resorts to flinging c and t words around instead of valid points.

You carry on backing him up though Quill......very amusing to watch.

Thorin wrote:Then that makes you a person that backs people breaking the law.

So much ignorance...so many opportunities.

Didge, the law is beside the point when it comes to the political shenanigans of the Nazis. The police can only act after-the-fact, when damage is already done. What is needed with a Nazi group that doesn't intend to demonstrate, but to kill, is a wall of protection. That's what the peacemakers are.

Thorin wrote:Meaning you back violence against people based on their beliefs.

I'm in favor of protecting the innocent, and preventing murder by Nazis and white supremacists…such as occurred in Charleston and Charlottesville. Just as we are seeing in Houston, it's neighbors helping neighbors. You forget: Nazis are the bad guys; it's already been proven we need to kick their asses.

Thorin wrote:Meaning you are against the First Amendment and the American constitution.

The Constitution does not protect Nazi acts of violence and mayhem. Nazis are not demonstrators. They are roving gangs of murderers. When the hands of the police are tied, we need to help them. We need to protect our neighbors.

The Constitution does, however, provide for self-defense and defense of your neighbors.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:Then that makes you a person that backs people breaking the law.

So much ignorance...so many opportunities.  

Didge, the law is beside the point when it comes to the political shenanigans of the Nazis.  The police can only act after-the-fact, when damage is already done.  What is needed with a Nazi group that doesn't intend to demonstrate, but to kill, is a wall of protection.  That's what the peacemakers are.

Thorin wrote:So yet again more infantile insults. So now you claim the law is besides the point. So the claim now is that due to one protest where a Nazi murdered someone, the view is now they will always murder? How is it then at other protests this has not happened? You see you invent a view to use violence based on an assumption. No court of law would buy such babble. Not only that as seen Antifa as seen use violence against anyone who backs Free speech and is Right wing, thus negating you claim. As how is it a wall of protection against people who back free speech and are not Nazi's? Its not, so not only is your first premise based on the same reasoning that Trump wants to deny Muslims entry into America, based on an assumption and not any facts, but formed from fear and not reason.

You stand united against Nazism, you don't need violence to allow themselves to show they are idiots. You clearly have not learnt from history either like I said with Germany in the 1920's.

I'm in favor of protecting the innocent, and preventing murder by Nazis and white supremacists…such as occurred in Charleston and Charlottesville.  Just as we are seeing in Houston, it's neighbors helping neighbors.  You forget: Nazis are the bad guys; it's already been proven we need to kick their asses.

Thorin wrote:So if you are in favour of protecting the innocent, lets look at this latest violence in Berkelely caused by Antifa on innocent people? So then why are you not condemning Antifa who started violently on innocent people for no reason other than they do not like Trump supporters? If you think that is acceptable, then you open the door to anyone deeming it being a wall of protection against any other group they deem to be a threat. You again make a precedent which would allow many to claim self defense by using and starting violence. Exactly the same excuse used to commit violence against the Jews in Germany in the 1920's and 1930's, due to perceived threat claimed by the Nazi's.

The reality is that antifa is attacking any group it does not agree with, of which many of these are certain;y not Nazi's

The Constitution does not protect Nazi acts of violence and mayhem.  Nazis are not demonstrators.  They are roving gangs of murderers.  When the hands of the police are tied, we need to help them.  We need to protect our neighbors.

The Constitution does, however, provide for self-defense and defense of your neighbors.

Neither does it protect Antifa acts of violence and mayhem, hence why they are constantly arrested and charged.

The problem with your argument here, is that this was not even about Nazi's and often Antifa attack the Police also as they are anti-establishment and authority. Again your view would open up the door to unlimited violence against Muslims, based off a perceived fear they would commit terrorism. Do you see how bad your argument is?

The worst thing here, is you by your absurd reasoning back Trumps ban on Muslims, as its based off the same fear point.

Fancy that.

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

So much ignorance...so many opportunities.  

Didge, the law is beside the point when it comes to the political shenanigans of the Nazis.  The police can only act after-the-fact, when damage is already done.  What is needed with a Nazi group that doesn't intend to demonstrate, but to kill, is a wall of protection.  That's what the peacemakers are.



I'm in favor of protecting the innocent, and preventing murder by Nazis and white supremacists…such as occurred in Charleston and Charlottesville.  Just as we are seeing in Houston, it's neighbors helping neighbors.  You forget: Nazis are the bad guys; it's already been proven we need to kick their asses.




The Constitution does not protect Nazi acts of violence and mayhem.  Nazis are not demonstrators.  They are roving gangs of murderers.  When the hands of the police are tied, we need to help them.  We need to protect our neighbors.

The Constitution does, however, provide for self-defense and defense of your neighbors.

Neither does it protect Antifa acts of violence and mayhem, hence why they are constantly arrested and charged.

Antifa are simply good Samaritans, helping an understaffed police force.  Something is needed when roving bands of murderers abound.

Thorin wrote:The problem with your argument here, is that this was not even about Nazi's...

Don't be naive.  That was just the wolves in sheep's clothing.  I can guarantee you that the demonstrators would have murdered someone, sometime, had the peacemakers not been there.  It's happened in Charleston and in Charlottesville, and their leader, Donald Trump, is pushing them on.  He even promises to pay their defense costs.

Thorin wrote:...and often Antifa attack the Police also as they are anti-establishment and authority.

The peacekeepers are there to promote the peace.

Thorin wrote:Again your view would open up the door to unlimited violence against Muslims, based off a perceived fear they would commit terrorism. Do you see how bad your argument is?

The worst thing here, is you by your absurd reasoning back Trumps ban on Muslims, as its based off the same fear point.

Fancy that.

You've lost the plot again.  This is the USA, not Yemen.  Where you offer words, I offer proof.  We've all witnessed Charlottesville, and seen the same people in action there. Murder and mayhem.  They have just moved west and put back on their masks...assumed a different name.

This has nothing to do with poor Muslims, FGS.  These are southerners...KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists.  They are trying to take over this country and turn it into a fascist dictatorship.  You've seen their signs.  You've watched their flags waving in the breeze.  There's no secret...and they already have their leader in place: Donald "they're good people" Trump.  It's a half-finished coup...and you are just protecting the completion.

Original Quill wrote:

Antifa are simply good Samaritans, helping an understaffed police force.  Something is needed when roving bands of murderers abound.

Thorin wrote:Is that why they keep attacking the Police

Don't be naive.  That was just the wolves in sheep's clothing.  I can guarantee you that the demonstrators would have murdered someone, sometime, had the peacemakers not been there.  It's happened in Charleston and in Charlottesville, and their leader, Donald Trump, is pushing them on.  He even promises to pay their defense costs.

Thorin wrote:You can guarantee Trump supporters would have murdered someone? Is that why they never did at this event and have not done so at many rallies? Again its the same reasoning as Trump, born out of fear of Muslims entering the country they will be terrorists or Mexicans entering the country. I never would have thought you would have the same mentality, but then you surprise me everyday with the twaddle you both come out with.

So are you claiming Jordan Peterson and Gad Saad would have had people murdered at the Free Speech event? Where the only threat of violence came from Antifa, hence why it was cancelled?

The peacekeepers are there to promote the peace.

Thorin wrote:So Far left violent extremists are peacekeepers to you, by attacking innocent people who have commited no crime, other than they do not like their views. So they back the view to commit violence against people based on beliefs. Which means again you open the door to violence against anyone on beliefs

You've lost the plot again.  This is the USA, not Yemen.  Where you offer words, I offer proof.  We've all witnessed Charlottesville, and seen the same people in action there.  They have just moved west and put back on their masks...assumed a different name.

Thorin wrote:So you have one event, where there was a terrorist attack. So based on this, you would thus propose attacking all  Muslims, based on proof of Multiple attacks by Muslims with terrorism?

Is that what you are suggesting?

Trump would read your views and rub his hands with glee, as you have just argued off a presumption based of a terrorist event to then fear a people and their beliefs.

This has nothing to do with poor Muslims, FGS.  These are southerners...KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists.  They are trying to take over this country and turn it into a fascist dictatorship.  You've seen their signs.  You've watched their flags waving in the breeze.  There's no secret...and they already have their leader in place: Donald "they're good people" Trump.  It's a half-finished coup...and you are just protecting the completion.

You just made it about Muslims, as you think its acceptable to attack people based on their beliefs and more on a fear they will kill people through violence and terrorism. How many people have died because of Islamic terrorism? So your methodology, would allow hate and violence towards all Muslims, based off a fear. Which I certainly do not agree with. As its guilt by association, a flawed argument.

A wall of protection. The very thing Trumps is arguing to build on the borders of Mexico. Its getting embarrassing the views you make to back violence.

Neo-Nazis and Antifa are trying to take over the country. They have zero hope of achieving their aims, as the Far right have been trying for years and will never succeed.'

Do you know what Antifa have planned on Nov 4th this here?

I will leave you to look that up.

So you rightly are against one group trying to take over the country, but not the other.

Double standard

I have simple come to the conclusion, you dont half talk shit

Yes, antifa is the moral equivalent of neo-Nazis

Last weekend in Berkeley, Calif., a group of neo-communist antifa — “anti-fascist” — thugs attacked peaceful protesters at a “No to Marxism in America” rally, wielding sticks and pepper spray, and beating people with homemade shields that read (I kid you not) “No Hate.” The Post reports how one peaceful protester “was attacked by five black-clad antifa members, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself.” Members of the Berkeley College Republicans were then stalked by antifa goons who followed them to a gas station and demanded they “get the [expletive] out” of their car, warning, “We are real hungry for supremacists and there is more of us.”

The organizer of the anti-Marxism protest is not a white supremacist. Amber Cummings is a self-described “transsexual female who embraces diversity” and had announced on Facebook that “any racist groups like the KKK [and] Neo Nazis . . . are not welcome.” The protest was needed, Cummings said, because “Berkeley is a ground zero for the Marxist Movement.”

As if to prove Cummings’s point, the antifa movement responded with jackboots and clubs — because their definition of “fascist” includes not just neo-Nazis but also anyone who opposes their totalitarian worldview.

And let’s be clear: Totalitarian is precisely what they are. Mark Bray, a Dartmouth lecturer who has defended antifa’s violent tactics, recently explained in The Post, “Its adherents are predominantly communists, socialists and anarchists” who believe that physical violence “is both ethically justifiable and strategically effective.” In other words, they are no different from neo-Nazis. Neo-Nazis are the violent advocates of a murderous ideology that killed 25 million people last century. Antifa members are the violent advocates of a murderous ideology that, according to “The Black Book of Communism,” killed between 85 million and 100 million people last century. Both practice violence and preach hate. They are morally indistinguishable. There is no difference between those who beat innocent people in the name of the ideology that gave us Hitler and Himmler and those who beat innocent people in the name of the ideology that gave us Stalin and Dzerzhinsky.

The United States defeated two murderous ideologies in the 20th century. So we should all be repulsed by the sight of our fellow Americans carrying the banners of either movement, whether they are waving the red flags of communism or black flags of Nazism. Yet we are not. Communism is not viewed as an evil comparable to Nazism today. As Alex Griswold recently pointed out, the New York Times has published no fewer than six opinion pieces this year defending communism, including essays praising Lenin as a conservationist, explaining why Stalinism inspired Americans, and arguing that the Bolsheviks were romantics at heart and that women had better sex under communism. Can one imagine the Times running similar pieces about the Nazis?

My mother and grandfather fought the Nazis in Poland during World War II, and her family then endured the Stalinist terror that followed, when Nazi occupation was replaced by Soviet domination. So forgive me if I see little moral distinction between the swastika and the hammer and sickle. Both are evil, and their modern adherents need to be condemned — especially when they dare to commit acts of violence in our midst to advance their hateful visions.

Both the left and the right have a responsibility to police their own movements. In the 1960s, William F. Buckley excommunicated the John Birch Society, widely believed then to be anti-Semitic and a proponent of nutty conspiracy theories, from the respectable right, and today, conservatives have a responsibility to do the same with the white nationalists of the alt-right.

Those on the left have responsibilities as well — responsibilities few are meeting. On Monday I asked the office of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) for her statement of condemnation. To her credit, Pelosi issued a strong statement Tuesday, declaring, “The violent actions of people calling themselves antifa in Berkeley this weekend deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted. In California, as across all of our great nation, we have deep reverence for the Constitutional right to peaceful dissent and free speech. Non-violence is fundamental to that right.”


Good for her. So why haven’t more leading Democrats done the same? After Charlottesville, the media rightly demanded that President Trump and all Republicans condemn the neo-Nazis and the KKK. So where are the calls for Democrats to condemn antifa — and the brutal public condemnation for those who fail to do so? If black-clad neo-Nazis had attacked peaceful protesters at a “No to Racism in America” march in Berkeley, politicians in Washington would be falling over themselves to express their disgust — and any who failed to do so would be vilified. But when neo-communists commit this kind of violence, they get a pass from the left.

That cannot be allowed to stand.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-antifa-is-the-moral-equivalent-of-neo-nazis/2017/08/30/9a13b2f6-8d00-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.372af703cf70