‘You will have to shovel our bodies into the oven, too’: Father of Charlottesville neo-Nazi disowns him

by Guest Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:54 pm

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One father of a marcher in Charlottesville, Virginia over the weekend is denouncing his own son after the young man was seen on national news spouting hate.

In a letter to Fargo, North Dakota’s Inforum, father Pearce Tefft wrote that his family wasn’t sure where his son Peter picked up his racist beliefs.

“I, along with all of his siblings and his entire family, wish to loudly repudiate my son’s vile, hateful, and racist rhetoric and actions,” Tefft wrote, clarifying that he certainly didn’t learn such values at home.

“I have shared my home and hearth with friends and acquaintances of every race, gender, and creed. I have taught all of my children that all men and women are created equal. That we must love each other all the same,” he continued. However, he acknowledged, that Peter chose another path.

The family has remained largely silent, but Tefft said these recent events pushed them over the edge. Remaining silent, he believed, would be a mistake.

“It was the silence of good people that allowed the Nazis to flourish the first time around, and it is the silence of good people that is allowing them to flourish now,” he wrote.

He went on to say that his son is no longer welcome in their home or at family gatherings until he renounces the hate. The beliefs of the younger Tefft has also brought hate targeted at his relatives, who are being considered guilty by association.

His father recalled a time when his son joked, “The thing about us fascists is, it’s not that we don’t believe in freedom of speech. You can say whatever you want. We’ll just throw you in an oven,” Tefft recalled.

“Peter, you will have to shovel our bodies into the oven, too. Please son, renounce the hate, accept and love all,” the father closed.

Peter’s nephew also denounced him, according to local news outlet WDAY 6.

“In brief, we reject him wholly – both him personally as a vile person who has HIMSELF made violent threats against our family, and also his hideous ideology, which we abhor,” his nephew Jacob Scott said. “We are all bleeding-heart liberals who believe in the fundamental equality of all human beings.”

“Peter is a maniac, who has turned away from all of us and gone down some insane internet rabbit-hole, and turned into a crazy nazi. He scares us all, we don’t feel safe around him, and we don’t know how he came to be this way. My grandfather feels especially grieved, as though he has failed as a father.”

The younger Tefft posted a photo of himself prior to the rally at the base of the statue in Charlottesville.

This charming Nazi is Pete Tefft of Fargo, ND -- spotted in @UR_Ninja's video: https://twitter.com/ur_ninja/status/896216429065850880 … #GoodNightAltRight #Charlottesville

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/you-will-have-to-shovel-our-bodies-into-the-oven-too-father-of-charlottesville-neo-nazi-disowns-him/#.WZHg55XcbwY.twitter

by JulesV Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:24 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Who has not condemned it Andy?

I have always stood against Nazism and all its evil.

What happened was nothing short of the worst terrorism, of which I pointed out it was wrong to charge him with second degree murder, when it was terrorism and first degree murder. You see this seems more important to you. Looking to cast people than standing united with the American people against this form of hatred.

What crime has this 'Tefft' OP guy allegedly committed exactly...!?

Crimes against decency and humanity perhaps?
It was ugly. An innocent young woman died.

by Tommy Monk Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:06 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:A legal and lawful and authority approved rally was taking place...

Hostile violent thugs turned up and started trouble...

So who is really to blame here...!?

by 'Wolfie Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:53 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
A legal and lawful and authority approved rally was taking place...

Hostile violent thugs turned up and started trouble...

So who is really to blame here...!?

Donald Trump, Steve Bannon, Tommy Monk, Major Stormee, Adolf Hitler...

There's plenty of "blame" out there, to share amongst yourselves..

by Ben Reilly Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:11 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:A legal and lawful and authority approved rally was taking place...

Hostile violent thugs turned up and started trouble...

So who is really to blame here...!?

The march was not authorized. It's illegal to physically intimidate a group of people protesting a monument to a racist and a traitor to the United States, and it's *highly* illegal to throw lit torches at them.

It's also illegal to plow your car into a left-wing counter-protester and kill her. That's called "murder."

by Tommy Monk Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:13 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:A legal and lawful and authority approved rally was taking place...

Hostile violent thugs turned up and started trouble...

So who is really to blame here...!?

by veya_victaous Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:49 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:A legal and lawful and authority approved rally was taking place...

Hostile violent thugs turned up and started trouble...

So who is really to blame here...!?

the neo nazi as you have been told stop quoting your own dumb shit without adding anything

You where wrong the first time and Nothing has fucking changed

by Tommy Monk Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:37 am

What crime has this 'Tefft' OP guy allegedly committed exactly...!?

by veya_victaous Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:34 am

He was at a Illegal Rally

and you never comment on Tefft.

but he was in the group of attempted arsonists that ended up committing Vehicular Homicide someone

He not in trouble with the law either Just His family has Morals to Rightfully Disowns him
it would be completely Immoral of Anyone to support Tefft Even his Family Admit that.
Any Decent human being Admits that, No Decent Human being defends him

by Ben Reilly Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:25 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:A legal and lawful and authority approved rally was taking place...

Hostile violent thugs turned up and started trouble...

So who is really to blame here...!?

The march was not authorized. It's illegal to physically intimidate a group of people protesting a monument to a racist and a traitor to the United States, and it's *highly* illegal to throw lit torches at them.

It's also illegal to plow your car into a left-wing counter-protester and kill her. That's called "murder."

by nicko Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:29 pm

Hope the Muslims know this !

by Tommy Monk Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:41 pm

There was a legal rally that was hijacked by a bunch of violent thugs who turned up and started kicking off...

And the Tefft guy in the OP has not committed any crime...

Nothing more to say really... already been covered in this thread... don't know why somebody is trying to resurrect this thread and spin it...

by Guest Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:25 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:There was a legal rally that was hijacked by a bunch of violent thugs who turned up and started kicking off...

And the Tefft guy in the OP has not committed any crime...

Nothing more to say really... already been covered in this thread... don't know why somebody is trying to resurrect this thread and spin it...

There was violence on both sides and no view, can excuse the murder and terrorist act carried out by the Far Right

Loads to say actually

The guy in the OP, is nothing more than a racist vile imbicille, that is rightly being ridiculed and condemned

Its odd how you are not doing so though

by 'Wolfie Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:51 pm

A vile, racist imbecile being roundly villified and justifiably condemned for his obnoxious views and past crimes...

Now, why could Tommy possibly identify (and apparently feel empathy..) with such a person ?

by Original Quill Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:51 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

A vile, racist imbecile being roundly villified and justifiably condemned for his obnoxious views and past crimes...

Now, why could Tommy possibly identify (and apparently feel empathy..) with such a person ?

I totally agree. It's not a criminal matter, although one of the rightys opted to murder an innocent lass. (Typical of a RW approach.) It was worse than criminal. A criminal act is a single act. These white supremacist thugs regaled a history of international criminality that wars have been fought over.

by Tommy Monk Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:06 pm

Didge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:There was a legal rally that was hijacked by a bunch of violent thugs who turned up and started kicking off...

And the Tefft guy in the OP has not committed any crime...

Nothing more to say really... already been covered in this thread... don't know why somebody is trying to resurrect this thread and spin it...

There was violence on both sides and no view, can excuse the murder and terrorist act carried out by the Far Right

Loads to say actually

The guy in the OP, is nothing more than a racist vile imbicille, that is rightly being ridiculed and condemned

Its odd how you are not doing so though

The violence was orchestrated by the thugs who turned up to attack those attending the legal rally... if they hadn't done so then there would not have been any violence at all.

by Guest Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:09 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Didge wrote:

There was violence on both sides and no view, can excuse the murder and terrorist act carried out by the Far Right

Loads to say actually

The guy in the OP, is nothing more than a racist vile imbicille, that is rightly being ridiculed and condemned

Its odd how you are not doing so though

The violence was orchestrated by the thugs who turned up to attack those attending the legal rally... if they hadn't done so then there would not have been any violence at all.

Actually it happened spontaneously by both parties

In a free democratic society, people have a right to protest and counter protest peacefully.

Neither side did that.

So what you are saying is that people cannot counter protest and if they do, then its okay for the Far left and Far right to be violent?

You blame those on both sides for the violence, not offer excuses as you are doing

You are basically claiming nobody would have been hurt or injured by the terrorist, if they had not turned up to counter protest.

You know where also we here that same crap, in regards to Islamic terrorism?

Maybe you can tell the Belgiums, they are at fault for exporting Tin Tin, as being unislamic, as to why they have been targeted with terrorism

That makes you no better than an Islamic terrorist apologist. Who use the same poor argument.

by Lurker Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:57 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:People are free to think whatever they want...

Arent they...!?

Or is it that people are only allowed to think the things that have been pre approved by the dictatorship and permissible by the 'thought police'...!?

Any sane, normal, compassionate human being will condemn this low-life piece of shit for what he is. Nobody should be allowed to think and promote the hate this shit hole is doing. Fuck him and all like-minded pieces of shit. May they die and rot in hell.

by Guest Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:00 pm

Lurker wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:People are free to think whatever they want...

Arent they...!?

Or is it that people are only allowed to think the things that have been pre approved by the dictatorship and permissible by the 'thought police'...!?

Any sane, normal, compassionate human being will condemn this low-life piece of shit for what he is. Nobody should be allowed to think and promote the hate this shit hole is doing. Fuck him and all like-minded pieces of shit. May they die and rot in hell.

Which makes you as hateful and nasty as the racists.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

It creates instead violence and more hate. Descending into tribal groups.

A thus and them

Both seeing themselves as good and both seeing the other as evil

You dont combat hate, with hate

by nicko Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:14 pm

Some was Basemented for wishing death on some one ?

by Guest Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:15 pm

nicko wrote:Some was Basemented for wishing death on some one ?

As far as I am aware. Peter Tefft, is not a poster here Nicko. As that is who Lurker is referring too.

Right, have a good evening everyone

by Victorismyhero Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:21 pm

Original Quill wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

A vile, racist imbecile being roundly villified and justifiably condemned for his obnoxious views and past crimes...

Now, why could Tommy possibly identify (and apparently feel empathy..) with such a person ?

I totally agree. It's not a criminal matter, although one of the rightys opted to murder an innocent lass. (Typical of a RW approach.) It was worse than criminal. A criminal act is a single act. These white supremacist thugs regaled a history of international criminality that wars have been fought over.

Whats this Quill.....MORE hypocrisy???

the above goes beyond criminal matters does it......

what about the maultiple murders in london some time ago based on the islamic agenda.....where your comments were along the lines of its a police matter, purely criminal, where these islamist thugs regaled an even longer history of criminality that wars have been fought over...

Strikes me your true colours are appearing, your political/social stance depends on whats convenient to you and what gets YOU (personally ) to "look good" a very lefty trait......

by nicko Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:31 pm

I'm getting pissed with this Forum, the abuse given to some members is unforgiveable. Mods seem to have gone to sleep, and before I get " You can leave if you want to", your right, I can !

by Original Quill Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:58 pm

Vic wrote:what about the maultiple murders in london some time ago based on the islamic agenda.....where your comments were along the lines of its a police matter, purely criminal, where these islamist thugs regaled an even longer history of criminality that wars have been fought over...

As I recall, that was a comment about tactics, not morality. The point being, to call a police matter in fact, a war, cost us 5,000 men, 100,000 others, and $17-trillion. As bin Laden showed, we can do more for less.

White supremacy is an internal political infection, much more than a criminal matter like 9-11 or 7-7 (which are movements, but not internal). If you measure my comments as extraordinary, then maybe you might get a hint at how serious I am about voluntarily splitting this nation before it becomes violent. There's no going back after Charlottesville. Those who think it doesn't portend the end of the US, are just not sensitive to political trends.

by Victorismyhero Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:07 pm

do I hear the sounds of splitting hairs??????

by Original Quill Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:14 pm

Lord Foul wrote:do I hear the sounds of splitting hairs??????

Splitting hairs in a nuclear world can be catastrophic. My way is the calm, peaceful way of conflict resolution. With your way--and those who think sticking one's head in the sand is the proper way--we will resolve the problem in the less desirable way. We just won't see it coming, that's all.

Believe me, I'm being future oriented and calling for reason. I think you idiots who ignore the signs are the ones who are opting for violence and a catastrophe.

by Victorismyhero Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:19 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:do I hear the sounds of splitting hairs??????

Splitting hairs in a nuclear world can be catastrophic. My way is the calm, peaceful way of conflict resolution. With your way--and those who think sticking one's head in the sand is the proper way--we will resolve the problem in the less desirable way. We just won't see it coming, that's all.

Believe me, I'm being future oriented and calling for reason. I think you idiots who ignore the signs are the ones who are opting for violence and a catastrophe.

This from the man who on another thread is advocating war ostensibly over the death of a journalist (wrongful though that may be) but in reality to cover a resource war.............

you have been sussed Quill........

by Victorismyhero Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:19 pm

watch the right hand...never mind what the left is doing.....

by eddie Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:34 pm

nicko wrote:I'm getting pissed with this Forum, the abuse given to some members is unforgiveable. Mods seem to have gone to sleep, and before I get " You can leave if you want to", your right, I can !

Lurker was taking about the guy in the OP, not Tommy. Didge already explained it to you.

by Original Quill Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:39 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Splitting hairs in a nuclear world can be catastrophic. My way is the calm, peaceful way of conflict resolution. With your way--and those who think sticking one's head in the sand is the proper way--we will resolve the problem in the less desirable way. We just won't see it coming, that's all.

Believe me, I'm being future oriented and calling for reason. I think you idiots who ignore the signs are the ones who are opting for violence and a catastrophe.

This from the man who on another thread is advocating war ostensibly over the death of a journalist (wrongful though that may be) but in reality to cover a resource war.............

Bin Laden was not war. Quite the opposite. With the bin Laden operation, Dr. Obama showed Republicans how you do the same thing, without wasting, 5,000-lives, 100,000 more lives, and $17-trillion. Plus, trimmed down from the noise of Iraq, it should show the Saudis what can be accomplished with quietude. Believe me, without a lot of noise, no one on the world stage will miss bin Salman.

Vic wrote:you have been sussed Quill........

You're acting narcissistic, a bit like didge: I win, I win, I win... cheers

when all you've done is miss the point. I judged you wrong. I thought you didn't need that kind of puerilism.

by eddie Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:43 pm

Quill: You're acting narcissistic, a bit like didge: I win, I win, I win... when all you've done is miss the point.

And when every last man tried to tell him that no one was calling him a dick he stood alone with the tumbleweed.

by Victorismyhero Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:54 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Splitting hairs in a nuclear world can be catastrophic. My way is the calm, peaceful way of conflict resolution. With your way--and those who think sticking one's head in the sand is the proper way--we will resolve the problem in the less desirable way. We just won't see it coming, that's all.

Believe me, I'm being future oriented and calling for reason. I think you idiots who ignore the signs are the ones who are opting for violence and a catastrophe.

This from the man who on another thread is advocating war ostensibly over the death of a journalist (wrongful though that may be) but in reality to cover a resource war.............

Bin Laden was not war. Quite the opposite. With the bin Laden operation, Dr. Obama showed Republicans how you do the same thing, without wasting, 5,000-lives, 100,000 more lives, and $17-trillion. Plus, trimmed down from the noise of Iraq, it should show the Saudis what can be accomplished with quietude. Believe me, without a lot of noise, no one on the world stage will miss bin Salman.

I'm not talking about bin laden, as you are well aware...I'm talking about YOUR desire to comit an act of agression against saudi under the guise of that murdered journalist, in order to indulge in oil grabbing and baby killing, which you will then shrug off onto the better men than you that will have to stand in harms way to do it.....OHHH yes quill we know your sort......order better men to do your dirty sewer work but make sure none of the stench clings to you.......

Vic wrote:you have been sussed Quill........

You're acting narcissistic, a bit like didge: I win, I win, I win... when all you've done is miss the point. I judged you wrong. I thought you didn't need that kind of puerilism.

I havnt missed the point at all...YOU are too fond of throwing that particular epithet around, especially at Nicko, and yet when it suits, you would be quite happy to order men to do just that,,,,,provided you could weasle your way out of any responsibility, you are no better than those you profess to despise, politician par excellence, (and thats NOT a compliment)
you, despite your rants aginst him, would sound just as good stood on the same podium as Trump...

by Original Quill Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:57 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Splitting hairs in a nuclear world can be catastrophic. My way is the calm, peaceful way of conflict resolution. With your way--and those who think sticking one's head in the sand is the proper way--we will resolve the problem in the less desirable way. We just won't see it coming, that's all.

Believe me, I'm being future oriented and calling for reason. I think you idiots who ignore the signs are the ones who are opting for violence and a catastrophe.

This from the man who on another thread is advocating war ostensibly over the death of a journalist (wrongful though that may be) but in reality to cover a resource war.............

you have been sussed Quill........

To the contrary...avoiding war. Again, you miss the point. Obama showed the world how an operation can be accomplished without wasting 5,000-men, 100,000 other lives, and $17-trillion, and making too much noise. This is the fourth time I've had to remind you of the point.

I am saying the same thing about splitting off the west coast of America into the Pacific States of America. We can do it with reason, not with war. Y'all were able to do that with your referendum on Scotland.

People here think I'm the extremist, yet those of you who are waiting for Charlottesville to become coast-to-coast, thinking it won't happen, are the extremists. You're going to have a civil war, of a nuclear nation, and not even see it coming.

All the while, I have been quietly telling you, here it comes!

by Victorismyhero Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:03 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Splitting hairs in a nuclear world can be catastrophic. My way is the calm, peaceful way of conflict resolution. With your way--and those who think sticking one's head in the sand is the proper way--we will resolve the problem in the less desirable way. We just won't see it coming, that's all.

Believe me, I'm being future oriented and calling for reason. I think you idiots who ignore the signs are the ones who are opting for violence and a catastrophe.

This from the man who on another thread is advocating war ostensibly over the death of a journalist (wrongful though that may be) but in reality to cover a resource war.............

you have been sussed Quill........

To the contrary...avoiding war. Again, you miss the point. Obama showed the world how an operation can be accomplished without wasting 5,000-men, 100,000 other lives, and $17-trillion, and making too much noise. This is the fourth time I've had to remind you of the point.

I am saying the same thing about splitting off the west coast of America into the Pacific States of America. We can do it with reason, not with war. Y'all were able to do that with your referendum on Scotland.

People here think I'm the extremist, yet those of you who are waiting for Charlottesville to become coast-to-coast, thinking it won't happen, are the extremists. You're going to have a civil war, of a nuclear nation, and not even see it coming.

All the while, I have been quietly telling you, here it comes!

You ARE an idiot after all.......you quite plainly stated that you wanted to take their oil.....and you think THAT will avoid war> you think they (and other states in the area) are going to let you waltz in and do that???? and of course you will expect allied troops to join you ...just so you can call em baby killers....got nothing to do with your exotic substance dream of a pacific states of america in any case and that is irrelevant....

you have quite clearly stated you want war with saudi for their oil and you would use the excuse of this journalist to begin it

you are wriggling and strawmanning like a good un ...it dont wash.....

by Victorismyhero Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:08 pm

of course thats not to mention that your pacific states and that shining jewel of yours California likely have less than 50-100 years before dissapearing with a shake rattle and bang into the pacific ocean, and you may find that those surrounding states whom you are prepared to isolate yourself from will NOT be willing to pour in aid to what is effectively a foreign nation.

by Original Quill Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:34 pm

Vic wrote:I havnt missed the point at all...YOU are too fond of throwing that particular epithet around, especially at Nicko, and yet when it suits, you would be quite happy to order men to do just that,,,,,provided you could weasle your way out of any responsibility, you are no better than those you profess to despise, politician par excellence, (and thats NOT a compliment) you, despite your rants aginst him, would sound just as good stood on the same podium as Trump...

You are being small and catty, when I am addressing important--indeed, perhaps catastrophic events.

First, you want to argue that I am for war, when I have for the forth time told you, Dr. Obama has shown you RW'ers how to do it more quietly, and more effectively.

Second, you fail to recognize my point that tactics are not the same thing as all out war. We never needed an Iraq war...that was all about rhetoric All we needed is 9 - 10 special ops soldiers/sailors to carry out a surgical procedure. When I say, prospectively, that's all that is necessary for the Saudis, I'm saying look to what we did to bin Laden, and that's just the way we can take care of bin Salmin. And lo, he was even Saudi himself. I'm not a huffy about peace and sovereignty, I'm about the waste.

Third, by seeing all sorts of false equivalencies, you have confused my two arguments. My point about not wasting resources on unneeded wars is one argument.
It is different from my point about splitting the US so the infection does not spread.

In the former argument, eds and others have thought me a pacifist. I'm not. It's the waste that bothers me. I have nothing against hostile acts where we really need them, like protecting our people (Khashoggi). Indeed, now that we have seen wars are not necessary, I think more actions might be splendid.

Civil war is coming to the US. Southern states cannot live with the coasts. Southerners are white supremacists, while the coasts are more for civilized living. Trump has proven that as long as we are one nation, the infection will spread. To prevent that, we need to split off the western part, and erect laws and borders that make white supremacy illegal. Otherwise, the Charlottesville syndrome will consume us all.

by Guest Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:39 pm

He did not do it effectivelly at all. IT led to one of the biggest refugee crisis, not seen, since the end of WW2. His inaction, led to this crisis, which has now led tothe rise of the right within Europe. So on all factors, Obama's foriegn policy, was an abject failure with Syria. It has allowed Iran to gain control of Iraq and now parts of Syria. Russia is now dominating within the Middle East. Where its simple brewing up for a full all out war between Saudi and Iran.

The consequences of inaction have been so far reaching, that we have now seen the huge rise of the Far Right within Europe, as Obama failed to intereven at the height of the crisis.

Anyway, as Vic has pointed out, you continually contradict yourself and are full of it

by Victorismyhero Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:43 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Vic wrote:I havnt missed the point at all...YOU are too fond of throwing that particular epithet around, especially at Nicko, and yet when it suits, you would be quite happy to order men to do just that,,,,,provided you could weasle your way out of any responsibility, you are no better than those you profess to despise, politician par excellence, (and thats NOT a compliment) you, despite your rants aginst him, would sound just as good stood on the same podium as Trump...

You are being small and catty, when I am addressing important--indeed, perhaps catastrophic events.

First, you want to argue that I am for war, when I have for the forth time told you, Dr. Obama has shown you RW'ers how to do it more quietly, and more effectively.

Second, you fail to recognize my point that tactics are not the same thing as all out war. We never needed an Iraq war...that was all about rhetoric All we needed is 9 - 10 special ops soldiers/sailors to carry out a surgical procedure. When I say, prospectively, that's all that is necessary for the Saudis, I'm saying look to what we did to bin Laden, and that's just the way we can take care of bin Salmin. And lo, he was even Saudi himself. I'm not a huffy about peace and sovereignty, I'm about the waste.

Third, by seeing all sorts of false equivalencies, you have confused my two arguments. My point about not wasting resources on unneeded wars is one argument.
It is different from my point about splitting the US so the infection does not spread.

In the former argument, eds and others have thought me a pacifist. I'm not. It's the waste that bothers me. I have nothing against hostile acts where we really need them, like protecting our people (Khashoggi). Indeed, now that we have seen wars are not necessary, I think more actions might be splendid.

Civil war is coming to the US. Southern states cannot live with the coasts. Southerners are white supremacists, while the coasts are more for civilized living. Trump has proven that as long as we are one nation, the infection will spread. To prevent that, we need to split off the western part, and erect laws and borders that make white supremacy illegal. Otherwise, the Charlottesville syndrome will consume us all.

wriggle wroggle deny

YOU STATED "and take their oil"

you reckon your 10 men could do that....pfffffft....

see what you are doing...politicing......say one thing but then believe (and expect everyone else to believe) that you said something else....

you have quite firmly stated your desire for all out war to seize (illegally) the natural resources of another nation on the flimsiest of excuses

by Guest Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:49 pm

Original Quill wrote:

Civil war is coming to the US. Southern states cannot live with the coasts. Southerners are white supremacists, while the coasts are more for civilized living. Trump has proven that as long as we are one nation, the infection will spread. To prevent that, we need to split off the western part, and erect laws and borders that make white supremacy illegal. Otherwise, the Charlottesville syndrome will consume us all.

So based on how there has been 1400 years of islamic wars, with a minor few years of peace and you go off one terrorist attack. Wanting to ban white supremacy. Then by the same standard of far more global Islamic terrorism. You must then want to make Islam illegal?

Both are political ideologies, that has seen countless attrocities and persecution formd from these beliefs throughout history.

You simple cannot make a belief illegal. As it goes against the very fundemental principles of the US constitution. No matter how bad or hateful that belief is. What you do is reason and show why said views are wrong. Hence why the world continues to progress.

If civil war does come, this time the North would be screwed. Tha armed forces has a majority of sourtheners as its personnel

Again with the view to class now, Black, White, Asian etc Americans in the south as all white supremacists, shows how warped and hateful a sermon you continually preach and it seems to me you are longing for such a war. Which is very odd. Again there maybe problems in the US, but to claim the entire south is white supremacists. Is not only bollocks, but falls along the same argument against Muslims. You are using the same arguments on beliefs. Ergo, the entire group are bad in such a flawed methodology.

I mean, I do not see any racial laws being changed in the US, do you?

I do not see mass racist killings and lynchings everyday?

That would be a sign leading up to civil war, except the reality is. The vast majority of people within the entire US would do everything to prevent a war. Hence no such war is looming. You only have a fringe extreme element on the Far left and Far right looking to kick start one off.

That is never going to happen.

Like Vic said, in time, California willl become utterly dry and dependent on water or have sunk beneath the waves. Either you look to your neighbours or look to the Israeli's. The best in the world now at water technology.

by Original Quill Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:53 pm

Vic wrote:You ARE an idiot after all.......you quite plainly stated that you wanted to take their oil.....

I don't mind taking their oil at all. But that is far from the central point. The point about a surgical strike to silence bin Salman has nothing to do with oil. Why would it?

In fact, America has enough oil for our needs. My point about taking their oil is about removing a bargaining chip that the Saudis might raise. Europe, including you, need their oil, and a surgical strike to take out bin Salman might elicit retaliation in the form of shutting off Europe.

If so, we just take it. Does that sound like a snowflake pacifist? ‘You will have to shovel our bodies into the oven, too’: Father of Charlottesville neo-Nazi disowns him - Page 2 2190311264

‘You will have to shovel our bodies into the oven, too’: Father of Charlottesville neo-Nazi disowns him - Page 2 2190311264

It may be strong stuff for delicate housewives, but when it comes to practical matters I believe in realpolitik. We just undertake another surgical strike, and it's over in a day or two. Just like bin Ladin.

by Victorismyhero Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:53 pm

In time Didge the logistically important part of california will slither off into the pacific, along with a lot more real estate north and south...all it takes is one quick shiver of that there fault line, and quills utopia goes to join the great pacific garbage patch.......

by Guest Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:56 pm

The Uk gets most of its oil from Norway, then Nigeria, Algeria, USA, Russia and Libya.

The amount we get from Saudi, is miniscule

So no we do not need their oil

by Victorismyhero Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:58 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Vic wrote:You ARE an idiot after all.......you quite plainly stated that you wanted to take their oil.....

I don't mind taking their oil at all. But that is far from the central point. The point about a surgical strike to silence bin Salman has nothing to do with oil. Why would it?

In fact, America has enough oil for our needs. My point about taking their oil is about removing a bargaining chip that the Saudis might raise. Europe, including you, need their oil, and a surgical strike to take out bin Salman might elicit retaliation in the form of shutting off Europe.

If so, we just take it. Does that sound like a snowflake pacifist? It may be strong stuff for delicate housewives, but when it comes to practical matters I believe in realpolitik. We just undertake another surgical strike, and it's over in a day or two. Just like bin Ladin.

sure sure....

I wouldnt bet on your ability to take candy off a kid......certainly not in any way surgically......you made a mess of afghanistan nam and almost everything else

and then it gets messy....

and YOU of course would then call your good fighting men "baby killers" just as you do your nam vets.....even though your worth is less than their left little toe nail....

by Guest Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:00 pm

Lord Foul wrote:In time Didge the logistically important part of california will slither off into the pacific, along with a lot more real estate north and south...all it takes is one quick shiver of that there fault line, and quills utopia goes to join the great pacific garbage patch.......

I think they will run out of water first, but agree in time, it will be under the sea

by Original Quill Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:05 pm

Vic wrote:I wouldnt bet on your ability to take candy off a kid......certainly not in any way surgically......you made a mess of afghanistan nam and almost everything else

That's the point, vic. Listen, there is one truism that you need to get used to: rightys fuck it up; lefties clean it up.

Dr. Obama taught us how to do it right. All the actions in Afghanistan and Nam were Nixon and Bush...in other words, big dumb kunckledraggers.

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