'I smiled as he was pumped full of bullets': Father watches as 'monster' who raped and murdered his three-year-old daughter is executed by MACHINE GUN in Yemen

[*]Muhammad al-Maghrabi, 41, shot dead with AK rifle in square in Sanaa, Yemen 
[*]Sentence was passed after he raped and murdered three-year-old Rana Almatari
[*]Loner, who was Rana's neighbour, snatched her off the streets and strangled her
[*]Her dad watched the brutal execution and said he felt satisfied justice was done
[*]Afterwards the family went to the morgue and buried Rana in a nearby cemetery 
[*]WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT 


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I would too if he did that to my child, after separating him from his balls.

Be even better if he got to pull the trigger.

Yet if the argument ever comes up here about capital punishment, wont you, Eddie and Mags be against it? I know Mags is.

The little girl was so beautiful and innocent, he got exactly what he deserved.

This happened anyway so I was commenting on the event really. Am against Capital Punishment? I really don't know and truly see both sides.

For the worst crimes...like rape and murder of children for eg, I would support capital punishment 100%.
Get rid....some people don't have the right to life.
But the main benefit is for the people who are left behind....the parents of the Moors murderers for eg have had decades of reminders in the press because Hindley and Brady were always in the news.

Had they met a quick and easy end like the man in the thread.....that would be one less heartbreak to contend with for them.

Syl wrote:For the worst crimes...like rape and murder of children for eg, I would support capital punishment 100%.
Get rid....some people don't have the right to life.
But the main benefit is for the people who are left behind....the parents of the Moors murderers for eg have had decades of reminders in the press because Hindley and Brady were always in the news.

Had they met a quick and easy end like the man in the thread.....that would be one less heartbreak to contend with for them.

I mean, we go to war and we commit our innocent soldiers to capital punishment, don't we?

Why not at least the guilty?

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:For the worst crimes...like rape and murder of children for eg, I would support capital punishment 100%.
Get rid....some people don't have the right to life.
But the main benefit is for the people who are left behind....the parents of the Moors murderers for eg have had decades of reminders in the press because Hindley and Brady were always in the news.

Had they met a quick and easy end like the man in the thread.....that would be one less heartbreak to contend with for them.

I mean, we go to war and we commit our innocent soldiers to capital punishment, don't we?  

Why not at least the guilty?

I don't see it like that Quill.
All I know is imo we (the UK) should have capital punishment for the most heinous of crimes.

Syl wrote:Yet if the argument ever comes up here about capital punishment, wont you, Eddie and Mags be against it? I know Mags is.

The little girl was so beautiful and innocent, he got exactly what he deserved.

Yes I am against the death penalty, but seeing as to how this country does, they were going to kill him anyway, so yes bye bye paedophile.

Syl wrote:For the worst crimes...like rape and murder of children for eg, I would support capital punishment 100%.
Get rid....some people don't have the right to life.
But the main benefit is for the people who are left behind....the parents of the Moors murderers for eg have had decades of reminders in the press because Hindley and Brady were always in the news.

Had they met a quick and easy end like the man in the thread.....that would be one less heartbreak to contend with for them.

I doubt it. The one thing that kept Winnie Johnson going was the hope that one day they might tell her where Keith was buried. If they had been executed, that hope would have died with them.

magica wrote:

Syl wrote:Yet if the argument ever comes up here about capital punishment, wont you, Eddie and Mags be against it? I know Mags is.

The little girl was so beautiful and innocent, he got exactly what he deserved.

Yes I am against the death penalty, but seeing as to how this country does, they were going to kill him anyway, so yes bye bye paedophile.

Well if he did the same here he would be well looked after all the time he was locked up, and would probably be free one day anyway.
He would no doubt be torturing the little girls parents by making headlines every time he felt his human rights were being breached by some nasty person who dared to say BOO to him for the next 40 odd years.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:For the worst crimes...like rape and murder of children for eg, I would support capital punishment 100%.
Get rid....some people don't have the right to life.
But the main benefit is for the people who are left behind....the parents of the Moors murderers for eg have had decades of reminders in the press because Hindley and Brady were always in the news.

Had they met a quick and easy end like the man in the thread.....that would be one less heartbreak to contend with for them.

I doubt it. The one thing that kept Winnie Johnson going was the hope that one day they might tell her where Keith was buried. If they had been executed, that hope would have died with them.

Winnie lived in false hope, and most of the families wanted them dead anyway.

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I doubt it. The one thing that kept Winnie Johnson going was the hope that one day they might tell her where Keith was buried. If they had been executed, that hope would have died with them.

Winnie lived in false hope, and most of the families wanted them dead anyway.

It doesn't matter whether it was false or not - it kept her going. I don't think there is probably much relief at an execution. There might be immediately afterwards, but it doesn't change anything.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:

Winnie lived in false hope, and most of the families wanted them dead anyway.

It doesn't matter whether it was false or not - it kept her going. I don't think there is probably much relief at an execution. There might be immediately afterwards, but it doesn't change anything.

I think there would be a lot of relief if the person who killed your child was killed by the state.
Just as in the OP.....I don't see the emotions being very different here.
Obviously IF we ever brought the death penalty back it wouldn't be done in the town square cheered and jeered on by onlookers....but the end result would be the same.

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It doesn't matter whether it was false or not - it kept her going. I don't think there is probably much relief at an execution. There might be immediately afterwards, but it doesn't change anything.

I think there would be a lot of relief if the person who killed your child was killed by the state.
Just as in the OP.....I don't see the emotions being very different here.
Obviously IF we ever brought the death penalty back it wouldn't be done in the town square cheered and jeered on by onlookers....but the end result would be the same.

I don't agree - I don't think it would bring that much closure - not in the long run.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:

I think there would be a lot of relief if the person who killed your child was killed by the state.
Just as in the OP.....I don't see the emotions being very different here.
Obviously IF we ever brought the death penalty back it wouldn't be done in the town square cheered and jeered on by onlookers....but the end result would be the same.

I don't agree - I don't think it would bring that much closure - not in the long run.

Obviously if your child is killed by some perverted maniac there can never be complete closure , its a life sentence...but it would certainly help me to know the murderer was off the planet.

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't agree - I don't think it would bring that much closure - not in the long run.

Obviously if your child is killed by some perverted maniac there can never be complete closure , its a life sentence...but it would certainly help me to know the murderer was off the planet.

I still don't agree, but hey ...

That's OK...many people don't.

Killing someone won't bring the the stolen life back. A more apt punishment would have been complete castration, balls and dick, and him having to live the rest of his life never experiencing sex again.

HoratioTarr wrote:Killing someone won't bring the the stolen life back.   A more apt punishment would have been complete castration, balls and dick, and him having to live the rest of his life never experiencing sex again.

But thats just taking revenge...why?
I would bring back capital punishment not to see someone suffer for the rest of their lives, simply to finish a life that has no meaning anymore.....i am talking of people who have commited such a heinous crime they will never be allowed out into society again.

magica wrote:

Syl wrote:Yet if the argument ever comes up here about capital punishment, wont you, Eddie and Mags be against it? I know Mags is.

The little girl was so beautiful and innocent, he got exactly what he deserved.

Yes I am against the death penalty, but seeing as to how this country does, they were going to kill him anyway, so yes bye bye paedophile.

All it take is one, and you're for the death penalty.

Syl wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:Killing someone won't bring the the stolen life back.   A more apt punishment would have been complete castration, balls and dick, and him having to live the rest of his life never experiencing sex again.

But thats just taking revenge...why?
I would bring back capital punishment not to see someone suffer for the rest of their lives, simply to finish a life that has no meaning anymore.....i am talking of people who have commited such a heinous crime they will never be allowed out into society again.

You can't assume that their life will have no meaning though, and killing someone because you think their life has no meaning isn't a good reason to do it. You make it sound like a mercy killing actually, and that's probably why euthanasia for humans isn't allowed - because people have different ideas about quality of life.

Syl wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:Killing someone won't bring the the stolen life back.   A more apt punishment would have been complete castration, balls and dick, and him having to live the rest of his life never experiencing sex again.

But thats just taking revenge...why?
I would bring back capital punishment not to see someone suffer for the rest of their lives, simply to finish a life that has no meaning anymore.....i am talking of people who have commited such a heinous crime they will never be allowed out into society again.

And what is execution if not a kind of revenge for your crime?

I think prison where they have no chance of parole is better. Why should they get a swift exit from their crimes.

Also the death sentence is legalised murder, and many have died who later were found innocent.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:

But thats just taking revenge...why?
I would bring back capital punishment not to see someone suffer for the rest of their lives, simply to finish a life that has no meaning anymore.....i am talking of people who have commited such a heinous crime they will never be allowed out into society again.

And what is execution if not a kind of revenge for your crime?    

In my opinion revenge is wanting someone to suffer for the rest of their lives.
I have heard people argue against the death penalty saying its inhumane.... yet add 'why give them a quick way out...let them suffer for the rest of their lives'... THATS revenge.

And obviously....once someone has been put to death by the state they can never reoffend and put others through the unbearable agony they have caused with their first crimes.

magica wrote:I think prison where they have no chance of parole is better. Why should they get a swift exit from their crimes.

Also the death sentence is legalised murder, and many have died who later were found innocent.

This is what I mean Mags...this is revenge, knowing someone is suffering for the rest of their lives.

The way I see it is the person who has proven without any doubt to have committed such a heinous crime he will never be free again...he doesn't count anymore.
He has given up that right when he raped and murdered a baby, or blew up innocent people, or raped and tortured an old woman...etc.
The punishment isn't awarded him to make him suffer, or to try to help him, or to keep him fed and watered for decades while he makes headline news for the next 40 or 50 years....the punishment should be to get rid...quick.

Just as in the OP where you thought it was a good idea and would have even castrated him first.

eddie wrote:This happened anyway so I was commenting on the event really.  Am against Capital Punishment? I really don't know and truly see both sides.

the reality is the soldiers did it to spare him from the mob that had gathered to lynch him or worse
he was facing a far worse death at the hands of the crowd that had gathered

whats intrinsically wrong with revenge....as long as its "just revenge" i.e the guilty party has been adjudged guilty in a court which has followed "due care" and there has been transparant "due process"........?????

Syl wrote:

magica wrote:I think prison where they have no chance of parole is better. Why should they get a swift exit from their crimes.

Also the death sentence is legalised murder, and many have died who later were found innocent.

This is what I mean Mags...this is revenge, knowing someone is suffering for the rest of their lives.

The way I see it is the person who has proven without any doubt to have committed such a heinous crime he will never be free again...he doesn't count anymore.
He has given up that right when he raped and murdered a baby, or blew up innocent people, or raped and tortured an old woman...etc.
The punishment isn't awarded him to make him suffer, or to try to help him, or to keep him fed and watered for decades while he makes headline news for the next 40 or 50 years....the punishment should be to get rid...quick.

Just as in the OP where you thought it was a good idea and would have even castrated him first.

But surely hanging him is revenge eh? Syl many who kill want to die than rot away in a prison, so I wouldn't give them the satisfaction. Brady wanted to die, so they kept him alive, why should he get what he wanted, the kids he killed didn't.

If its revenge then bring it on, cos if anyone did that to mine, I would wear his balls for earrings!

veya_victaous wrote:

eddie wrote:This happened anyway so I was commenting on the event really.  Am against Capital Punishment? I really don't know and truly see both sides.

the reality is the soldiers did it to spare him from the mob that had gathered to lynch him or worse
he was facing a far worse death at the hands of the crowd that had gathered

I don't think that was the case.
He was sentenced to death, the soldiers were simply carrying out the punishment the judge had ordered.

After al Maghrabi's arrest he was initially sentenced to 100 lashes having confessed to rape and murder. But such was the outrage across the nation the judge decided the punishment was not enough and imposed a death sentence. 

Syl wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

eddie wrote:This happened anyway so I was commenting on the event really.  Am against Capital Punishment? I really don't know and truly see both sides.

the reality is the soldiers did it to spare him from the mob that had gathered to lynch him or worse
he was facing a far worse death at the hands of the crowd that had gathered

I don't think that was the case.
He was sentenced to death, the soldiers were simply carrying out the punishment the judge had ordered.

After al Maghrabi's arrest he was initially sentenced to 100 lashes having confessed to rape and murder. But such was the outrage across the nation the judge decided the punishment was not enough and imposed a death sentence. 

did you see the video of the crowd gathered? they wanted to castrate and stone him and rip him apart. (it was also an insult to Islam as it occurred during Eid)

veya_victaous wrote:

Syl wrote:

I don't think that was the case.
He was sentenced to death, the soldiers were simply carrying out the punishment the judge had ordered.

After al Maghrabi's arrest he was initially sentenced to 100 lashes having confessed to rape and murder. But such was the outrage across the nation the judge decided the punishment was not enough and imposed a death sentence. 

did you see the video of the crowd gathered? they wanted to castrate and stone him and rip him apart. (it was also an insult to Islam as it occurred during Eid)

Yes I did watch the video.
I think the police had taken him to the square specifically to be shot, that was his punishment....I don't think they finished him quickly because of the crowd, though there is little doubt the crowd would have ensured he didn't get away alive.

magica wrote:

Syl wrote:

This is what I mean Mags...this is revenge, knowing someone is suffering for the rest of their lives.

The way I see it is the person who has proven without any doubt to have committed such a heinous crime he will never be free again...he doesn't count anymore.
He has given up that right when he raped and murdered a baby, or blew up innocent people, or raped and tortured an old woman...etc.
The punishment isn't awarded him to make him suffer, or to try to help him, or to keep him fed and watered for decades while he makes headline news for the next 40 or 50 years....the punishment should be to get rid...quick.

Just as in the OP where you thought it was a good idea and would have even castrated him first.

But surely hanging him is revenge eh?  Syl many who kill want to die than rot away in a prison, so I wouldn't give them the satisfaction.  Brady wanted to die, so they kept him alive, why should he get what he wanted, the kids he killed didn't.

If its revenge then bring it on, cos if anyone did that to mine, I would wear his balls for earrings!

We see this differently Mags.
I don't care what the perpetrator wants....his feelings don't count anymore.
My way of thinking is just eliminate him from society...he has lost the right to be a member.

I have no feelings for people who can commit such terrible crimes if they are in sound mind....my feelings are for the families left in the wake of what they have had done to them.

In capital punishment, the punishment isn't really death, it's the anticipation of death. After they're dead, they couldn't care less. It's not a case of whether it's "inhumane" or not, although it is, it's a question of whether or not someone has the right to kill another person, or decide that they should die.

Of course this chap is going to feel happy briefly - he saw the person who killed his daughter die himself, and he probably saw the fear before that happened. I doubt the joy will last though.

Syl wrote:

magica wrote:

But surely hanging him is revenge eh?  Syl many who kill want to die than rot away in a prison, so I wouldn't give them the satisfaction.  Brady wanted to die, so they kept him alive, why should he get what he wanted, the kids he killed didn't.

If its revenge then bring it on, cos if anyone did that to mine, I would wear his balls for earrings!

We see this differently Mags.
I don't care what the perpetrator wants....his feelings don't count anymore.
My way of thinking is just eliminate him from society...he has lost the right to be a member.

I have no feelings for people who can commit such terrible crimes if they are in sound mind....my feelings are for the families left in the wake of what they have had done to them.

We've had this debate over the years Syl, and our views still differ. If this happened to one of mine I don't want him having a swift departure into the spirit world, I want him to suffer everyday, as I would be. As any parent would be.

magica wrote:

Syl wrote:
We see this differently Mags.
I don't care what the perpetrator wants....his feelings don't count anymore.
My way of thinking is just eliminate him from society...he has lost the right to be a member.

I have no feelings for people who can commit such terrible crimes if they are in sound mind....my feelings are for the families left in the wake of what they have had done to them.

We've had this debate over the years Syl, and our views still differ. If this happened to one of mine I don't want him having a swift departure into the spirit world,  I want him to suffer everyday, as I would be. As any parent would be.

We have debated this before Mags and I know we will never agree...and that's fine.

But I know if some pervert had raped and murdered a child of mine I would prefer the closure of knowing he had taken his last breath.

I would never get closure either way.

magica wrote:I would  never get closure either way.

I know that.
But imagine having to read about them, their demands, their lifestyle in prison, seeing people giving interviews about them, campaigning for their release, do gooders preaching they are changed...etc etc...every other week for the rest of their lives, which could and do go on for decades.

That's what the families have had to go through when the perpetrators were still living...as in the case of the Moors murderers for eg..

I would want him in my shed....as a plaything

Syl wrote:

magica wrote:I would  never get closure either way.

I know that.
But imagine having to read about them, their demands, their lifestyle in prison, seeing people giving interviews about them, campaigning for their release, do gooders preaching they are changed...etc etc...every other week for the rest of their lives, which could and do go on for decades.

That's what the families have had to go through when the perpetrators were still  living...as in the case of the Moors murderers for eg..

They never were released though. Many are in prison for same crime, it doesn't matter what they do, they're never coming out.

Syl wrote:

magica wrote:

But surely hanging him is revenge eh?  Syl many who kill want to die than rot away in a prison, so I wouldn't give them the satisfaction.  Brady wanted to die, so they kept him alive, why should he get what he wanted, the kids he killed didn't.

If its revenge then bring it on, cos if anyone did that to mine, I would wear his balls for earrings!

We see this differently Mags.
I don't care what the perpetrator wants....his feelings don't count anymore.
My way of thinking is just eliminate him from society...he has lost the right to be a member.

I have no feelings for people who can commit such terrible crimes if they are in sound mind....my feelings are for the families left in the wake of what they have had done to them.

There are people though who don't want the perpetrator to be killed, people who were close to the victim. They feel responsible for the death of the perpetrator and they don't want that - they would prefer to try to forgive.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:

Obviously if your child is killed by some perverted maniac there can never be complete closure , its a life sentence...but it would certainly help me to know the murderer was off the planet.

I still don't agree, but hey ...

Spot on, when you think about it.  Your doubt is well founded, Raggs.

What is 'closure'?  It's a term borrowed from police practices: you close a file after you have completed the investigation and convicted someone in court.  Someone got the idea that this was a good metaphor with which to counsel to victims: just say thus and such on the stand and he'll be convicted and you'll get closure..

But it's just an expression, not an actual state of mind or being.  People began to take the expression, and treat it as real...like, some juice is running through their body and they really get some sort of high.

Let's face it, the only satisfaction you ever get out of capital punishment is revenge.  Anyone tells you otherwise is bullshitting you...and perhaps themselves, too.

Lord Foul wrote:whats intrinsically wrong with revenge....as long as its "just revenge" i.e the guilty party has been adjudged guilty in a court which has followed "due care" and there has been transparant "due process"........?????

I have to agree, revenge is a perfectly acceptable motive in matters of justice.  Loss of life is nothing, especially when we give it away so freely in wars.

The problem with taking life as revenge, is that ipso facto you take away that which you tried so hard to achieve.  He dies, and so no longer suffers or feels remorse.  When you kill someone for revenge, he's no longer there to feel your vengeance ...it was his suffering that, all along, you wanted to experience.

That's the reason why authorities of yore devised drawn and quartering, the rack, burning at the stake, and other instruments of pain, to be coupled with death.  It's much more satisfying if you can administer suffering along with the killing.

Still...the killing helps the sufferer quit his suffering.  So, in a sense, any killing is rewarding the criminal.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I still don't agree, but hey ...

Spot on, when you think about it.  Your doubt is well founded, Raggs.

What is 'closure'?  It's a term borrowed from police practices: you close a file after you have completed the investigation and convicted someone in court.  Someone got the idea that this was a good metaphor with which to counsel to victims: just say thus and such on the stand and he'll be convicted and you'll get closure..

But it's just an expression, not an actual state of mind or being.  People began to take the expression, and treat it as real...like, some juice is running through their body and they really get some sort of high.

Let's face it, the only satisfaction you ever get out of capital punishment is revenge.  Anyone tells you otherwise is bullshitting you...and perhaps themselves, too.

I love the way you can confidently speak for the whole of mankind.

To me its not revenge, revenge is getting even, making someone suffer, getting one over on that person...etc.

A few people have pointed out that many life term murderers would prefer to die anyway....so if it was revenge one was after one would never support the death penalty.

To me the death penalty has  three advantages.
ONE......I believe it does help the families left behind. If the guilty party and their crime is not constantly in the news, the family are not forever reliving what has happened.

TWO......The guilty one has commited a crime so dreadful he can never be readmitted into society. He is useless, a drain on finances, and probably going insane knowing this is his life forever anyway..

THREE...He (or she) obviously wont ever have the chance to hurt anyone again.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Spot on, when you think about it.  Your doubt is well founded, Raggs.

What is 'closure'?  It's a term borrowed from police practices: you close a file after you have completed the investigation and convicted someone in court.  Someone got the idea that this was a good metaphor with which to counsel to victims: just say thus and such on the stand and he'll be convicted and you'll get closure..

But it's just an expression, not an actual state of mind or being.  People began to take the expression, and treat it as real...like, some juice is running through their body and they really get some sort of high.

Let's face it, the only satisfaction you ever get out of capital punishment is revenge.  Anyone tells you otherwise is bullshitting you...and perhaps themselves, too.

I love the way you can confidently speak for the whole of mankind.

To me its not revenge, revenge is getting even, making someone suffer, getting one over on that person...etc.

A few people have pointed out that many life term murderers would prefer to die anyway....so if it was revenge one was after one would never support the death penalty.

To me the death penalty has  three advantages.
ONE......I believe it does help the families left behind. If the guilty party and their crime is not constantly in the news, the family are not forever reliving what has happened.

TWO......The guilty one has commited a crime so dreadful he can never be readmitted into society. He is useless, a drain on finances, and probably going insane knowing this is his life forever anyway..

THREE...He (or she) obviously wont ever have the chance to hurt anyone again.

It doesn't necessarily help the families left behind. It might at first, but not in the long run. Executed people are also in the news a lot - usually because someone doesn't think they were guilty. It's also cowardly - there's no defence against State killing.

The people who do the executing are also committing a dreadful crime - they are killing someone in cold blood - it doesn't get much worse than that. There are people in death row who appeal time and time again. Why would they do that if they think their lives are over?

Those who do the executing have the chance to hurt someone - ie, at the next execution.

If some one is found guilty of a dreadful crime with no possibility of a mistake,
Take them out and shoot them immediately, before the do-gooders start looking for excuses !

No "life sentences" it's a drain on the Governments coffers.

Might seem brutal to some and I suppose it is, but looking at what terrible things some have done, I;E rape and murder of a child, I'd pull the trigger myself.

Raggamuffin wrote:I love the way you can confidently speak for the whole of mankind.

I don’t “speak for mankind”, but I do speak about reality. It's a FACT.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I still don't agree, but hey ...

Spot on, when you think about it.  Your doubt is well founded, Raggs.

What is 'closure'?  It's a term borrowed from police practices: you close a file after you have completed the investigation and convicted someone in court.  Someone got the idea that this was a good metaphor with which to counsel to victims: just say thus and such on the stand and he'll be convicted and you'll get closure..

But it's just an expression, not an actual state of mind or being.  People began to take the expression, and treat it as real...like, some juice is running through their body and they really get some sort of high.

Let's face it, the only satisfaction you ever get out of capital punishment is revenge.  Anyone tells you otherwise is bullshitting you...and perhaps themselves, too.

How about closure?

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Spot on, when you think about it.  Your doubt is well founded, Raggs.

What is 'closure'?  It's a term borrowed from police practices: you close a file after you have completed the investigation and convicted someone in court.  Someone got the idea that this was a good metaphor with which to counsel to victims: just say thus and such on the stand and he'll be convicted and you'll get closure..

But it's just an expression, not an actual state of mind or being.  People began to take the expression, and treat it as real...like, some juice is running through their body and they really get some sort of high.

Let's face it, the only satisfaction you ever get out of capital punishment is revenge.  Anyone tells you otherwise is bullshitting you...and perhaps themselves, too.

How about closure?

Closure is a state of mind, where you close one chapter and are able to move onto the next one in your life.

To add to this, how about relief and peace of mind the killer will never have the chance to do this to anyone else?

So what facts on reality are you claiming to talk about Quill, when you would not know globally peoples views on how they would feel?

All you offered was your feelings and no facts.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I love the way you can confidently speak for the whole of mankind.

I don’t “speak for mankind”, but I do speak about reality.  It's a FACT.

I said that to you not Rags.

Its not fact btw its an opinion.