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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:13 pm

Tunisia’s parliament has passed new legislation to end “all violence against women”, a move that could set a precedent for human rights in the region. The new rules, which will likely become law next year, govern “any physical, moral, sexual or economic aggression (based on discrimination)” against women. Because the law requires authorities to refer women to shelters if they are fleeing violence, the state will require funding assistance to add more facilities for the women.


The bill will also eliminate the controversial rule in Tunisia that allowed a man to escape punishment for committing rape if they marry their victim. Other countries that are pushing such reforms include Morocco, which is debating a law on domestic abuse, and Algeria, which adopted a law last year that criminalizes violence against women, according to France24 news.


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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:04 pm

Next question: what constitutes violence?

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:13 pm

Original Quill wrote:Next question: what constitutes violence?


Physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
Next question.

How could you not even understand the basic understanding of types of violence?

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:34 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Next question: what constitutes violence?

Physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
Next question.

How could you not even understand the basic understanding of types of violence?

I understand perfectly well. And the next question will become, what constitutes violence? As a lawyer, and one who has been some time, I can easily predict the dynamic march of new laws.

After the obvious statement that women should not be subjected to violence, detractors will retreat to asking, what constitutes violence? It's happened so often it's a predictable pattern:

No violence against children? Is spanking violence?

No violence against pets? Is a leash violence?

No violence against poultry? Is a cage violence? Is stealing their embryos violence?

No violence against animals? Is a cattle pen violence? Is a red hot branding iron violence?

We have free-range chickens, free-range cattle, and some might argue, free-range children...all because what constitutes? is inevitably the next question.

Don't get excited until you understand where the question comes from.


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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:39 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
Next question.

How could you not even understand the basic understanding of types of violence?

I understand perfectly well.  And the next question will become, what constitutes violence?  As a lawyer, and one who has been some time, I can easily predict the dynamic march of new laws.
Thorin wrote:Physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
Next question.


After the obvious statement that women should not be subjected to violence, detractors will retreat to asking, what constitutes violence?  It's happened so often it's a predictable pattern:

No violence against children?  Is spanking violence?
Thorin wrote:Yes


No violence against pets?  Is a leash violence?
Thorin wrote:Yes

No violence against poultry?  Is a cage violence?  Is stealing their embryos violence?
Thorin wrote:No

No violence against animals?  Is a cattle pen violence?  Is a red hot branding iron violence?
Thorin wrote:Yes

We have free-range chickens, free-range cattle, and some might argue, free-range children...all because what constitutes? is inevitably the next question.

Don't get excited until you understand where the question comes from.


It seems you want to equate incomparable things for some warped reason.

So as I answered all your questions now answer mine

Do you think violence against women is acceptable without consent?

Do you think this new law is wrong and that women should have no protection from the law?

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:14 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I understand perfectly well.  And the next question will become, what constitutes violence?  As a lawyer, and one who has been some time, I can easily predict the dynamic march of new laws.



After the obvious statement that women should not be subjected to violence, detractors will retreat to asking, what constitutes violence?  It's happened so often it's a predictable pattern:

No violence against children?  Is spanking violence?



No violence against pets?  Is a leash violence?


No violence against poultry?  Is a cage violence?  Is stealing their embryos violence?


No violence against animals?  Is a cattle pen violence?  Is a red hot branding iron violence?


We have free-range chickens, free-range cattle, and some might argue, free-range children...all because what constitutes? is inevitably the next question.

Don't get excited until you understand where the question comes from.


It seems you want to equate incomparable things for some warped reason.

So as I answered all your questions now answer mine

Do you think violence against women is acceptable without consent?

Do you think this new law is wrong and that women should have no protection from the law?

It seems now you want to cover your ass and try to look intelligent, when you finally realize the conversation has moved on and bypassed you. I've told you mate...you have problems with concentration. Try relaxing, let your mind cerebralise...and most of all, stop being so stubborn.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:18 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:

It seems you want to equate incomparable things for some warped reason.

So as I answered all your questions now answer mine

Do you think violence against women is acceptable without consent?

Do you think this new law is wrong and that women should have no protection from the law?

It seems now you want to cover your ass and try to look intelligent, when you finally realize the conversation has moved on and bypassed you.  I've told you mate...you have problems with concentration.  Try relaxing, let your mind cerebralise...and most of all, stop being so stubborn.


So you again avoid answering my questions, when I answered yours.

I am very relaxed mate

All you did was misdirect

Try again


Do you think violence against women is acceptable without consent?

Do you think this new law is wrong and that women should have no protection from

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:24 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

It seems now you want to cover your ass and try to look intelligent, when you finally realize the conversation has moved on and bypassed you.  I've told you mate...you have problems with concentration.  Try relaxing, let your mind cerebralise...and most of all, stop being so stubborn.


So you again avoid answering my questions, when I answered yours.

I am very relaxed mate

All you did was misdirect

Try again


Do you think violence against women is acceptable without consent?

Do you think this new law is wrong and that women should have no protection from

Have you worked on the suggestions I gave you? Until you do, we can't go on talking about nonsensical misunderstandings. It's unproductive.

This is where I say good-bye. Hahah...'Cause I'm already gone...

lol!

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:26 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:


So you again avoid answering my questions, when I answered yours.

I am very relaxed mate

All you did was misdirect

Try again


Do you think violence against women is acceptable without consent?

Do you think this new law is wrong and that women should have no protection from

Have you worked on the suggestions I gave you?  Until you do, we can't go on talking about nonsensical misunderstandings.  It's unproductive.

This is where I say good-bye.  Hahah...'Cause I'm already gone...  

lol!


Yes we know that buddy

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:09 am

Wouldn't the stealing and killing of embryos be a matter of opinion.

If it where a pregnant women that had her embryos killed without her consent would it be considered violence? where do you draw the line? forced sterilization.

While a step in the right direction, from a purely legal perspective
the issue is with laws worded in this way is they are gender specific, does it extend to a transgender person that was either originally a woman or currently identifies as a woman?

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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:50 am

veya_victaous wrote:Wouldn't the stealing and killing of embryos be a matter of opinion.

If it where a pregnant women that had her embryos killed without her consent would it be considered violence? where do you draw the line? forced sterilization.

While a step in the right direction, from a purely legal perspective
the issue is with laws worded in this way is they are gender specific, does it extend to a transgender person that was either originally a woman or currently identifies as a woman?

A matter of opinion?

Are you saying that a woman cannot have control over her own body?

The reason we have global poverty is because many women do not have empowerment.


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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:44 am

Thorin wrote:Tunisia’s parliament has passed new legislation to end “all violence against women”, a move that could set a precedent for human rights in the region. The new rules, which will likely become law next year, govern “any physical, moral, sexual or economic aggression (based on discrimination)” against women. Because the law requires authorities to refer women to shelters if they are fleeing violence, the state will require funding assistance to add more facilities for the women.


The bill will also eliminate the controversial rule in Tunisia that allowed a man to escape punishment for committing rape if they marry their victim. Other countries that are pushing such reforms include Morocco, which is debating a law on domestic abuse, and Algeria, which adopted a law last year that criminalizes violence against women, according to France24 news.


https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/country-passes-landmark-law-banning-violence-women/

Waffle...


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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:16 am

Thorin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:Wouldn't the stealing and killing of embryos be a matter of opinion.

If it where a pregnant women that had her embryos killed without her consent would it be considered violence? where do you draw the line? forced sterilization.

While a step in the right direction, from a purely legal perspective
the issue is with laws worded in this way is they are gender specific, does it extend to a transgender person that was either originally a woman or currently identifies as a woman?

A matter of opinion?

Are you saying that a woman cannot have control over her own body?

The reason we have global poverty is because many women do not have empowerment.


Do you support women being forced to have an abortion?

or is collecting eggs violence against poultry?

AND the reason we have poverty is because we invented a monetary system

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:43 pm

Thorin wrote:Tunisia’s parliament has passed new legislation to end “all violence against women”, a move that could set a precedent for human rights in the region. The new rules, which will likely become law next year, govern “any physical, moral, sexual or economic aggression (based on discrimination)” against women. Because the law requires authorities to refer women to shelters if they are fleeing violence, the state will require funding assistance to add more facilities for the women.


The bill will also eliminate the controversial rule in Tunisia that allowed a man to escape punishment for committing rape if they marry their victim. Other countries that are pushing such reforms include Morocco, which is debating a law on domestic abuse, and Algeria, which adopted a law last year that criminalizes violence against women, according to France24 news.


https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/country-passes-landmark-law-banning-violence-women/


So no changes to anything have actually happened yet... and may still not happen at all... so the example given of a rapist being able to avoid any police prosecution by 'marrying' the victim still currently stands as legal over there...


I was wondering what other crimes against women are currently allowed there...!?



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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:52 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Thorin wrote:

A matter of opinion?

Are you saying that a woman cannot have control over her own body?

The reason we have global poverty is because many women do not have empowerment.


Do you support women being forced to have an abortion?

or is collecting eggs violence against poultry?

AND the reason we have poverty is because we invented a monetary system


1) No

2) No

3)Did your points have any relevance?

No

Again are you saying a woman cannot have control over her own body?

Christopher Hitchens wrote:
"The cure for poverty has a name, in fact: it's called the empowerment of women. If you give women some control over the rate at which they reproduce, if you give them some say, take them off the animal cycle of reproduction to which nature and some doctrine—religious doctrine condemns them, and then if you'll throw in a handful of seeds perhaps and some credit, the floor of everything in that village, not just poverty, but education, health, and optimism will increase. It doesn't matter; try it in Bangladesh, try it in Bolivia, it works—works all the time. Name me one religion that stands for that, or ever has."


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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:33 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:Tunisia’s parliament has passed new legislation to end “all violence against women”, a move that could set a precedent for human rights in the region. The new rules, which will likely become law next year, govern “any physical, moral, sexual or economic aggression (based on discrimination)” against women. Because the law requires authorities to refer women to shelters if they are fleeing violence, the state will require funding assistance to add more facilities for the women.


The bill will also eliminate the controversial rule in Tunisia that allowed a man to escape punishment for committing rape if they marry their victim. Other countries that are pushing such reforms include Morocco, which is debating a law on domestic abuse, and Algeria, which adopted a law last year that criminalizes violence against women, according to France24 news.


https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/country-passes-landmark-law-banning-violence-women/


So no changes to anything have actually happened yet... and may still not happen at all... so the example given of a rapist being able to avoid any police prosecution by 'marrying' the victim still currently stands as legal over there...


I was wondering what other crimes against women are currently allowed there...!?




Well...!?



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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:40 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:


So no changes to anything have actually happened yet... and may still not happen at all... so the example given of a rapist being able to avoid any police prosecution by 'marrying' the victim still currently stands as legal over there...


I was wondering what other crimes against women are currently allowed there...!?




Well...!?




No changes yet, but they are looking to bring it into law next year

That would be good news if it becomes law would it not Tommy?

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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:44 pm

And it is coming into force next year

http://www.france24.com/en/20170727-tunisia-violence-against-women-landmark-law

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So no changes to anything have actually happened yet... and may still not happen at all... so the example given of a rapist being able to avoid any police prosecution by 'marrying' the victim still currently stands as legal over there...



I was wondering what other crimes against women are currently allowed there...!?



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Tommy Monk wrote:So no changes to anything have actually happened yet... and may still not happen at all... so the example given of a rapist being able to avoid any police prosecution by 'marrying' the victim still currently stands as legal over there...



I was wondering what other crimes against women are currently allowed there...!?




It is going to happen, the bill has been passed.

Yes it still stands at the moment.

If you are wondering then look it up

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:01 pm

Thorin wrote:Tunisia’s parliament has passed new legislation to end “all violence against women”, a move that could set a precedent for human rights in the region. The new rules, which will likely become law next year, govern “any physical, moral, sexual or economic aggression (based on discrimination)” against women. Because the law requires authorities to refer women to shelters if they are fleeing violence, the state will require funding assistance to add more facilities for the women.


The bill will also eliminate the controversial rule in Tunisia that allowed a man to escape punishment for committing rape if they marry their victim. Other countries that are pushing such reforms include Morocco, which is debating a law on domestic abuse, and Algeria, which adopted a law last year that criminalizes violence against women, according to France24 news.


https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/country-passes-landmark-law-banning-violence-women/


So no changes to anything have actually happened yet... and may still not happen at all... so the example given of a rapist being able to avoid any police prosecution by 'marrying' the victim still currently stands as legal over there...


I was wondering what other crimes against women are currently allowed there...!?



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Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:Tunisia’s parliament has passed new legislation to end “all violence against women”, a move that could set a precedent for human rights in the region. The new rules, which will likely become law next year, govern “any physical, moral, sexual or economic aggression (based on discrimination)” against women. Because the law requires authorities to refer women to shelters if they are fleeing violence, the state will require funding assistance to add more facilities for the women.


The bill will also eliminate the controversial rule in Tunisia that allowed a man to escape punishment for committing rape if they marry their victim. Other countries that are pushing such reforms include Morocco, which is debating a law on domestic abuse, and Algeria, which adopted a law last year that criminalizes violence against women, according to France24 news.


https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/country-passes-landmark-law-banning-violence-women/


So no changes to anything have actually happened yet... and may still not happen at all... so the example given of a rapist being able to avoid any police prosecution by 'marrying' the victim still currently stands as legal over there...


I was wondering what other crimes against women are currently allowed there...!?




It is going to happen, the bill has been passed.

Yes it still stands at the moment.

If you are wondering then look it up

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So no changes to anything have actually happened yet... and may still not happen at all...!!!


What crimes against women are currently allowed there...!?



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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:27 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Thorin wrote:

A matter of opinion?

Are you saying that a woman cannot have control over her own body?

The reason we have global poverty is because many women do not have empowerment.


Do you support women being forced to have an abortion?

or is collecting eggs violence against poultry?

AND the reason we have poverty is because we invented a monetary system


1) No

2) No

3)Did your points have any relevance?

No

Again are you saying a woman cannot have control over her own body?

Christopher Hitchens wrote:
"The cure for poverty has a name, in fact: it's called the empowerment of women. If you give women some control over the rate at which they reproduce, if you give them some say, take them off the animal cycle of reproduction to which nature and some doctrine—religious doctrine condemns them, and then if you'll throw in a handful of seeds perhaps and some credit, the floor of everything in that village, not just poverty, but education, health, and optimism will increase. It doesn't matter; try it in Bangladesh, try it in Bolivia, it works—works all the time. Name me one religion that stands for that, or ever has."



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