Girl, 15, 'raped in rail station suffers second attack after flagging down man for help'

A double manhunt is under way after a 15-year-old girl was raped by two different attackers, including a man she flagged down for help, police said. Detectives said the teenager was first assaulted in a secluded part of Birmingham's Witton railway station, near the Aston Villa football ground, some time between 7pm on Tuesday and 2am the following morning.

The victim had walked to the station with her friend, but is said to have been led away by a man who approached her. Shortly after that attack, the girl walked out of the station and flagged down a passing vehicle to ask for help, police said. However, after getting in the car she was then raped a second time by another man, investigators said.

A major investigation, involving detectives from both British Transport Police and West Midlands Police, is now under way to try to identify both attackers and appeal for witnesses. The first attacker is described as Asian with light skin, brown eyes, was of a skinny build and about 6ft tall. He was wearing a track suit top and bottoms, black trainers and was in his early 20s. The second attacker is also described as Asian, in his early 20s, 5ft 6/7ins tall, of large build with a tight-cropped beard and was wearing a blue jumper and black jeans.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/27/girl-15-raped-rail-station-suffers-second-attack-flagging-man/

The second man who raped her is even s worse than the first.....animals.

They are possibly connected to the Asian gang way of thinking that young white girls are trash....pity she didnt ask a woman for help.

This story sounds a little 'iffy'. I'll wait and see.

"Asian" gangs...

Now then,  which part of "Asia" would that be, then ???

Afghanistan, Kyrgystan, Uzbekistan, China, Tibet, Nepal, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Mongolia, Korea, Eastern Russia, Japan, Indonesia, Burma, Malaysia, Phillipines, Thailand, Brunei, et al  ???

A big and varied continent, that mysterious place "Asia" !  With a wide and disparate range of gangs --  and their "gang" mindsets..

The wider context of rape should be looked at. I'm convinced many men get off scot free.

Only 7% of people accused of rape are even charged. So 93% of accused rapists are walking around free as a bird. If that's not a sobering thought, I dunno what is.


Cheshire has the best rates 23.5% charged. Poor old benighted Essex has the worst - 2.5%. A near tenfold difference which tells its own story.

Two rapists, both of "Asian appearance" and in their early 20s,  both being in the same vacinity at the same time, seems too much of a coincidence..

Most likely the second offender was returning to pick up his associate ???

Jules wrote:The wider context of rape should be looked at. I'm convinced many men get off scot free.

Only 7% of people accused of rape are even charged.  So 93% of accused rapists are walking around free as a bird.    If that's not a sobering thought, I dunno what is.


Cheshire has the best rates  23.5% charged. Poor old benighted Essex has the worst - 2.5%. A near tenfold difference which tells its own story.

Most interesting.  This was an issue that was studied some time ago at Oberlin College in Ohio, an ultra-liberal institution.  The fact is that "connecting up" is culturally ambiguous, so that there is deliberate vagueness in relationships.  Men desire sex, while women desire to be desired.  Each dangle their wares in sex, so to speak, and try to hold on to the right to deny as long as possible.  This creates a 'dare' game in which the result is not what was intended -- and even the participants don't know what they intend -- but what the objective evidence will show. Hence, the reason why all rape victims are hounded with the question: Did you say 'No'?

To eliminate any ambiguity, Oberlin instituted a system whereby signed consent forms had to be in hand before a couple could have sexual intercourse.  That way they supplanted any and all evidence with a statement of contractual rights.  That turned out not to work, as the participants still maintained the right to withdraw up until...

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Two rapists, both of "Asian appearance" and in their early 20s,  both being in the same vacinity at the same time,  seems too much of a coincidence..

Most likely the second offender was returning to pick up his associate ???

That would account for two rapists in the same spot, at the same time. That's the part that was bothering me.

Original Quill wrote:This story sounds a little 'iffy'.  I'll wait and see.

So are you suggesting the girl is lying?

Original Quill wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Two rapists, both of "Asian appearance" and in their early 20s,  both being in the same vacinity at the same time,  seems too much of a coincidence..

Most likely the second offender was returning to pick up his associate ???

That would account for two rapists in the same spot, at the same time.  That's the part that was bothering me.

Why would ir be hard to believe Quill?
Birmingham is where many Asian men (or specifically Muslim men of Pakistani origin) have operated for years, raping young white underage girls.
You surely dont believe that they were all brought to justice do you?
Many men with that mindset are still free to carry on treating underage girls like trash.

The age is wrong by the way, she is 14.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

That would account for two rapists in the same spot, at the same time.  That's the part that was bothering me.

Why would ir be hard to believe Quill?
Birmingham is where many Asian men (or specifically Muslim men of Pakistani origin) have operated for years, raping young white underage girls.
You surely dont believe that they were all brought to justice do you?
Many men with that mindset are still free to carry on treating underage girls like trash.

Just that it relies on coincidence.    I don't believe in coincidence...as much as others.  But I meant it would be hard, not impossible.

I think that Wolf is on the right track.  There's more than coincidence here.  I don't think we are getting the whole story.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

Why would ir be hard to believe Quill?
Birmingham is where many Asian men (or specifically Muslim men of Pakistani origin) have operated for years, raping young white underage girls.
You surely dont believe that they were all brought to justice do you?
Many men with that mindset are still free to carry on treating underage girls like trash.

Just that it relies on coincidence.    I don't believe in coincidence...as much as others.  But I meant it would be hard, not impossible.

I think that Wolf is on the right track.  There's more than coincidence here.  I don't think we are getting the whole story.

So you dont believe there is such a thing as opportunists?

This was 2am in the morning and the Police are taking this very seriously, as they should.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

Why would ir be hard to believe Quill?
Birmingham is where many Asian men (or specifically Muslim men of Pakistani origin) have operated for years, raping young white underage girls.
You surely dont believe that they were all brought to justice do you?
Many men with that mindset are still free to carry on treating underage girls like trash.

Just that it relies on coincidence.    I don't believe in coincidence...as much as others.  But I meant it would be hard, not impossible.

I think that Wolf is on the right track.  There's more than coincidence here.  I don't think we are getting the whole story.

We will see how the story develops, but i dont see it as a coincidence that in an area where gangs of men sexually abused young girls for many years, two should be in the same area at the same time.
They possibly knew each other, they possibly worked it together....who knows.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Just that it relies on coincidence.    I don't believe in coincidence...as much as others.  But I meant it would be hard, not impossible.

I think that Wolf is on the right track.  There's more than coincidence here.  I don't think we are getting the whole story.

We will see how the story develops, but i dont see it as a coincidence that in an area where gangs of men sexually abused young girls for many years, two should be in the same area at the same time.
They possibly knew each other, they possibly worked it together....who knows.

That's what Wolf is suggesting.

Wel for anyone who has heard of the way certain gangs have operated throughout thr UK over the last years  targeting vulnerable kids..... its not so hard to believe this is the case.

They say Asian when they mean Pakistani but are too afraid to say it !

Y'all want to talk profiling. I'm not into that.

C'ya...

Original Quill wrote:Y'all want to talk profiling.  I'm not into that.

C'ya...

Profiling??????

nicko wrote:They say Asian when they mean Pakistani but are too afraid to say it !

True, i dont see many indians or chinese in the many 'asian gangs' that have been guilty of grooming, raping and passing round young white girls.

The police, authorities and press do like to group them under the wider banner....it will be interesting to see IF these two are caught what the actual story is.

The girl isn't going to know if they're Pakistani or not. In the UK, when we say "Asian" we don't generally mean Chinese people, or people who look Chinese. I think it's different in the US.

I don't see any reports of Hindus, Buddists, or Sikhs ect raping young girls, .t seems to be mainly men from Pakistan. There are white men who do it, but according to the media it's mostly the Pakistan genre

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Y'all want to talk profiling.  I'm not into that.

C'ya...

Profiling??????

Yes:

Dictionary.com wrote:pro·fil·ing
[proh-fahy-ling]

NOUN
1.  the use of personal characteristics or behavior patterns to make generalizations about a person, as in gender profiling.

2.  the use of these characteristics to determine whether a person may be engaged in illegal activity, as in racial profiling.

The subject of this thread is mission-creeping over into talking about race, not the specific criminal(s) or crime(s).  E.g....

nicko wrote:They say Asian when they mean Pakistani but are too afraid to say it!

I'm not interested in Pakistanis, Irish or Trobiand Islanders, but I am interested in the M.O. of this particular crime(s).  I think the two are connected.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Profiling??????

Yes:

Dictionary.com wrote:pro·fil·ing
[proh-fahy-ling]

NOUN
1.  the use of personal characteristics or behavior patterns to make generalizations about a person, as in gender profiling.

2.  the use of these characteristics to determine whether a person may be engaged in illegal activity, as in racial profiling.

The subject of this thread is mission-creeping over into talking about race, not the specific criminal(s) or crime(s).  E.g....

nicko wrote:They say Asian when they mean Pakistani but are too afraid to say it!

I'm not interested in Pakistanis, Irish or Trobiand Islanders, but I am interested in the M.O. of this particular crime(s).  I think the two are connected.

There is no such thing as biological races.

There is such a thing as cultural and religious beliefs.

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:
Yes:

The subject of this thread is mission-creeping over into talking about race, not the specific criminal(s) or crime(s).  E.g....

I'm not interested in Pakistanis, Irish or Trobiand Islanders, but I am interested in the M.O. of this particular crime(s).  I think the two are connected.

There is no such thing as biological races.

There is such a thing as cultural and religious beliefs.

Still,  it is magica, Sly and nicko who are bringing the "Asian gangs" racial profiling angle into this topic;  not Quill, not you, not me ...

The report is of two rapists, both in their early 20s and Asian...

It doesn't talk about a "gang"  --   others are introducing that possibility into the discussion.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Thorin wrote:
There is no such thing as biological races.

There is such a thing as cultural and religious beliefs.

Still,  it is magica, Sly and nicko who are bringing the "Asian gangs" racial profiling angle into this topic;
 not Quill, not you, not me ...

The report is of two rapists, both in their early 20s and Asian...

It doesn't talk about a "gang"  --   others are introducing that possibility into the discussion.

But there are Asians and Syl, Nicko and magica have points here

The fact is there has been many Asian, mainly ethnically Pakistani grooming gangs. Who have been targeting many white girls, Indian Sikh girls and many Muslim girls, most of which the Muslim girl victims is covered up within the Muslim community.

So the question to ask is why does it happen more specifically with one ethnic group?

Which means is not about race but cultural or religious reasons.

Hence the recent article of where the elders of a village carried out punishment not on a rapist. But on the rapist's sister, whilst they all watched.

Why do you think they did this?

Now this stems from many rural areas where there is a lack of education, but beliefs and caste systems are embedded into the mindset of rural Pakistani's. That women Non-Muslim are deemed inferior and can be misused based on what is taught around sex slaves in the Quran and hadith. A warped interpretation on an eye for an eye (not punishing the rapist but his sister) which is based on a misogynistic and again view that women are treated like cattle in such societies. Hence why we have a problem mainly from within the Pakistani community with rape, along side the issue of ethnically white and black rapists in this country. Again most Pakistani's are not rapists, but a substantial number have been grooming and abusing girls for years, getting away with this. They are from the rural areas of Pakistan, Afghanistan etc. We dont seem to have the same issue with many other Muslim ethnic groups. So clearly a caste system, lack of education and religious misogynistic beliefs born into the mindset, plus sexual immaturity. Placed into a western secular society, makes some rural Pakistani's think they can do as they please, as they did when in Pakistan. When there was little Police and that in fact covered up by the communities.

News says 2 have been arrested...

A 27-year-old man has been charged in connection with the rape of a 14-year-old girl at Witton train station in Birmingham, British Transport Police has said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/30/man-charged-rape-14-year-old-girl-station-birmingham/

Good.  Now axe 'im the name of the other...bet he knows.