Chilling picture shows female Isil fighter holding child moments before detonating suicide vest

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:04 pm

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At first sight the picture appears to show a mother cradling her young child as she flees an Islamic State-held area of Mosul. But a closer look reveals she is holding a trigger., which she will pull seconds later.

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Woman holding detonator in Mosul blows herself up along with a small child moments after the picture was taken. CREDIT: AL-MAWSLEYA TV

An Iraqi TV station captured the moment before a suspected female Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) suicide bomber blew herself - and the baby - up near Iraqi troops. She had apparently tried to detonate an explosives vest hidden under her hijab as she passed the soldiers, but it failed to go off until she had walked some distance away, a cameraman for al-Mawsleya TV said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/08/chilling-picture-shows-female-isil-fighter-holding-child-moments/

Which just goes to show how brainwashing religion is. That it can make a mother believe its the best thing to do is blow herself and her baby up and murder people at the same time. Its called Martyrdom. Which has to be just about the most sickest concept ever going.

by Guest Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:16 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Your armchair pyhschology is pathetic.

As I've always said to you Smelly, if this is an Islam thing then the vast majority of Muslims are not practicing their faith.

For some real psychology, read links like:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-therapy/201009/understanding-the-suicide-bomber

"Third, episodes of brutality and backwardness have periodically visited every religion and ethnicity. The ‘mentality' explanation is also the seed of all racism--Jews, for example, were said over millennia to have a seedy, greedy mentality--and also the seed of despair, since ‘mentality' is innate and unchangeable."

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Which makes you a hypocrite as well as a twat.

I had to interrupt fucking your mother for this. My back is already hurting from digging that bitch up.

What a subjective argument, when again who is to say you are not practicing the faith properly and they are.
Which is the main problem with a religion.

You then provide one psychologist as your evidence.

Seriously?

I suggest you listen, which I know you wont as it expands on what ISIS supporters believe

I mean if you listen from around the 11 minute mark, this woman praises Allah that her son has been martyred. She actually thinks its a good thing he has been killed and looks forward to both her husband and herself being martyred,and to them be rejoining him. They basically are taught to believe this life has zero relevance and its all about getting to the next life. Where again the one full proof way taught is through martyrdom, where all sins are basically forgiven. What you have is a reality where people are led by fear of a hell fire and will actually believe butchering people, enslaving girls ect is righteous. This is not something new either and has gone on for centuries. Even in the past with Christianity, they use to claim crusaders who were martyred in the cause would have all their sins forgiven.

Yes, many Muslims happily ignore the apostasy and blasphemy of their neighbors, view women as the moral equals of men, and consider anti-Semitism contemptible. But there are also Muslims who drink alcohol and eat bacon. All of these persuasions run counter to the explicit teachings of Islam to one or another degree. And just like moderates in every other religion, most moderate Muslims become obscurantists when defending their faith from criticism. They rely on modern, secular values—for instance, tolerance of diversity and respect for human rights—as a basis for reinterpreting and ignoring the most despicable parts of their holy books. But they nevertheless demand that we respect the idea of revelation, and this leaves us perpetually vulnerable to more literal readings of scripture.

and

Many believe it unwise to discuss the link between Islam and the intolerance and violence we see in the Muslim world, fearing that it will increase the perception that the West is at war with the faith and cause millions of otherwise peaceful Muslims to rally to the jihadist cause. I admit that this concern isn’t obviously crazy—but it merely attests to the seriousness of the underlying problem. Religion produces a perverse solidarity that we must find some way to undercut. It causes in-group loyalty and out-group hostility, even when members of one’s own group are behaving like psychopaths.

https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/sleepwalking-toward-armageddon

Nobody denies there has been centuries or other religious violence and even today there is still some Christian terrorism, which further proves my point. Which actually proves my point about the problems of religions. Luckily most Christians and Jews have adapted to secularism, where as many Muslims are going more backwards to the barbarity of Muhammad himself through Salifisim. So show me the different Qurans and hadiths that you use compared to ISIS?

Then you end with proving that Islam teaches, misogamy and the enslavement/rape of women. I think you are providing the forum Zack of an excellent example of how hateful and intolerant some Muslims can be.

by Guest Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:49 am

Thorin wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:Your armchair pyhschology is pathetic.

As I've always said to you Smelly, if this is an Islam thing then the vast majority of Muslims are not practicing their faith.

For some real psychology, read links like:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-therapy/201009/understanding-the-suicide-bomber

"Third, episodes of brutality and backwardness have periodically visited every religion and ethnicity. The ‘mentality' explanation is also the seed of all racism--Jews, for example, were said over millennia to have a seedy, greedy mentality--and also the seed of despair, since ‘mentality' is innate and unchangeable."

---

Which makes you a hypocrite as well as a twat.

I had to interrupt fucking your mother for this. My back is already hurting from digging that bitch up.

What a subjective argument, when again who is to say you are not practicing the faith properly and they are.
Which is the main problem with a religion.

You then provide one psychologist as your evidence.

Seriously?

I suggest you listen, which I know you wont as it expands on what ISIS supporters believe

I mean if you listen from around the 11 minute mark, this woman praises Allah that her son has been martyred. She actually thinks its a good thing he has been killed and looks forward to both her husband and herself being martyred,and to them be rejoining him. They basically are taught to believe this life has zero relevance and its all about getting to the next life. Where again the one full proof way taught is through martyrdom, where all sins are basically forgiven. What you have is a reality where people are led by fear of a hell fire and will actually believe butchering people, enslaving girls ect is righteous. This is not something new either and has gone on for centuries. Even in the past with Christianity, they use to claim crusaders who were martyred in the cause would have all their sins forgiven.

Yes, many Muslims happily ignore the apostasy and blasphemy of their neighbors, view women as the moral equals of men, and consider anti-Semitism contemptible. But there are also Muslims who drink alcohol and eat bacon. All of these persuasions run counter to the explicit teachings of Islam to one or another degree. And just like moderates in every other religion, most moderate Muslims become obscurantists when defending their faith from criticism. They rely on modern, secular values—for instance, tolerance of diversity and respect for human rights—as a basis for reinterpreting and ignoring the most despicable parts of their holy books. But they nevertheless demand that we respect the idea of revelation, and this leaves us perpetually vulnerable to more literal readings of scripture.

and

Many believe it unwise to discuss the link between Islam and the intolerance and violence we see in the Muslim world, fearing that it will increase the perception that the West is at war with the faith and cause millions of otherwise peaceful Muslims to rally to the jihadist cause. I admit that this concern isn’t obviously crazy—but it merely attests to the seriousness of the underlying problem. Religion produces a perverse solidarity that we must find some way to undercut. It causes in-group loyalty and out-group hostility, even when members of one’s own group are behaving like psychopaths.

https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/sleepwalking-toward-armageddon

Nobody denies there has been centuries or other religious violence and even today there is still some Christian terrorism, which further proves my point. Which actually proves my point about the problems of religions. Luckily most Christians and Jews have adapted to secularism, where as many Muslims are going more backwards to the barbarity of Muhammad himself through Salifisim. So show me the different Qurans and hadiths that you use compared to ISIS?

Then you end with proving that Islam teaches, misogamy and the enslavement/rape of women. I think you are providing the forum Zack of an excellent example of how hateful and intolerant some Muslims can be.

i'm definitely with you on this one

i remember seeing a really good interview between owen jones and some bloke Theo something or other who had been held prisoner by ISIS, i think in iraq, cant remember but he said; 'for them jihad is exciting, romantic, profitable and gets them to paradise so who wouldn't?'. the west being absolute bastards to the middle east has never helped the situation. they should have kept out of affairs rather than bombing the fuck out them over the years.

there are some heartbreaking stories on exmuslimtv.com (it was linked on twitter). story of how they fought the doubts and tried to get more devout but eventually had to face the reality that it was violent and deceptive - it's like a despair as everything you've built your life around collapses. on top of that they cannot talk to any family or friend as it's taboo and when they finally do, they are not only ostracised but also a target for death. ex Muslims suffer so badly

as one said,,,,not every Muslim (as a human being) would want to harm you, in fact very few would want to harm you,,,,however, if they do decide to then they can always use the koran to justify it,,,,that's the problem

by Guest Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:04 pm

gelico wrote:
Thorin wrote:

What a subjective argument, when again who is to say you are not practicing the faith properly and they are.
Which is the main problem with a religion.

You then provide one psychologist as your evidence.

Seriously?

I suggest you listen, which I know you wont as it expands on what ISIS supporters believe

I mean if you listen from around the 11 minute mark, this woman praises Allah that her son has been martyred. She actually thinks its a good thing he has been killed and looks forward to both her husband and herself being martyred,and to them be rejoining him. They basically are taught to believe this life has zero relevance and its all about getting to the next life. Where again the one full proof way taught is through martyrdom, where all sins are basically forgiven. What you have is a reality where people are led by fear of a hell fire and will actually believe butchering people, enslaving girls ect is righteous. This is not something new either and has gone on for centuries. Even in the past with Christianity, they use to claim crusaders who were martyred in the cause would have all their sins forgiven.

Nobody denies there has been centuries or other religious violence and even today there is still some Christian terrorism, which further proves my point. Which actually proves my point about the problems of religions. Luckily most Christians and Jews have adapted to secularism, where as many Muslims are going more backwards to the barbarity of Muhammad himself through Salifisim. So show me the different Qurans and hadiths that you use compared to ISIS?

Then you end with proving that Islam teaches, misogamy and the enslavement/rape of women. I think you are providing the forum Zack of an excellent example of how hateful and intolerant some Muslims can be.

i'm definitely with you on this one

i remember seeing a really good interview between owen jones and some bloke Theo something or other who had been held prisoner by ISIS, i think in iraq, cant remember but he said; 'for them jihad is exciting, romantic, profitable and gets them to paradise so who wouldn't?'. the west being absolute bastards to the middle east has never helped the situation. they should have kept out of affairs rather than bombing the fuck out them over the years.

there are some heartbreaking stories on exmuslimtv.com (it was linked on twitter). story of how they fought the doubts and tried to get more devout but eventually had to face the reality that it was violent and deceptive - it's like a despair as everything you've built your life around collapses. on top of that they cannot talk to any family or friend as it's taboo and when they finally do, they are not only ostracised but also a target for death. ex Muslims suffer so badly

as one said,,,,not every Muslim (as a human being) would want to harm you, in fact very few would want to harm you,,,,however, if they do decide to then they can always use the koran to justify it,,,,that's the problem

This is the problem Gelico with any belief that plays off the fear of a hell like place and also onto a heaven where people want to get their by the fastest means possible. No matter what people argue over whether terrorism is condemn or justified in Islam or not. The reality is that it is argued that it is justified and off Islamic text. Nor can we discount the Islamic belief over martyrdom on this. That is played heavily with all terrorism. Just look at how Palestinians glorify them and worse the Palestinian authorities pay their families salaries for murdering Jews. What you see here is a belief and a normalization to murder Jews in this case. With ISIS they justify having sex slaves and do so straight from Islamic text. All these many things provide for a lure to very insecure people, who fear death and a hell-fire after life. It allows them to believe and normalize that butchering people is righteous and just.

I disagree on western intervention, for many reasons, as that is just a convenient excuse. I mean there have plenty of conflicts not involving Muslims, and we do not see a mass of terrorism at the time of these conflicts or even today. It shows again its the teachings within Islam that is the problem. Where it has the concept of transgressions. Which Islam is explicit about what Muslims should do, when Muslims are transgressed by Non-Muslims. I mean Christians, Druze, Yazidis, have been oppressed, persecuted, raped and murdered. Where is all the terrorism from them in the Middle East? That is why the western bombing claim holds very little validity. Where people have directly lost family members, you can see how some many turn to vengence, but the problem is with Islam. They see themselves as all one family. Where any Muslim that has been killed, this is seen as if no matter if not related, that they are seen as immediate family members. Again only religion teaches this and creates this very dangerous reaction. Even worse is generally we have gone into save Muslims, as we did in Bosnia, Kosovo etc.

The problem for ex-Muslims is terrible, you should watch this Gelico

by eddie Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:25 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Your armchair pyhschology is pathetic.

As I've always said to you Smelly, if this is an Islam thing then the vast majority of Muslims are not practicing their faith.

For some real psychology, read links like:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-therapy/201009/understanding-the-suicide-bomber

"Third, episodes of brutality and backwardness have periodically visited every religion and ethnicity. The ‘mentality' explanation is also the seed of all racism--Jews, for example, were said over millennia to have a seedy, greedy mentality--and also the seed of despair, since ‘mentality' is innate and unchangeable."

---

Which makes you a hypocrite as well as a twat.

I had to interrupt fucking your mother for this. My back is already hurting from digging that bitch up.

Zack this is absolutely disgusting and I'm totally amazed that nobody reported this post.
I have no idea why you'd stoop so low as to say that about another poster's family member.

I would ban you for this just as I did smelly bandit for saying something similar to sassy (bet there's no fucking uproar over you saying it though)

I am going to ask other admin what is the best course of action in the meantime it would be nice if you actually apologised to Didge.

by Guest Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:36 pm

I doubt many have even see this Eddie, but again I think the above is sufficient by you. That you have said its not acceptable.
Its not the first time in recent days he has been this childish to a posters. He also was to Wolf

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Three ???

One's a single, two's a couple, three's a crowd...

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Is that the excuse your mother gave you?

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t21337p50-robotic-rape#408527

He just needs to understand it will not be tolerated. I do not want people to be punished for saying stupid things when angry. But that is up to the moderation team I guess.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:26 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:the only people Muslims like killing more than westerners are other Muslims. they have been killing each other for 1400 years since Muhammed died.

It's a turf war more than a religion.

You might be right about the turf war. It's a bit like the problem in NI, which wasn't about religion, it was a turf war.

It's not a turf war in the UK though, it's something else, but I still don't think the religion is to blame - people have minds of their own, no matter what anyone says to them.

by Original Quill Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:the only people Muslims like killing more than westerners are other Muslims. they have been killing each other for 1400 years since Muhammed died.

It's a turf war more than a religion.

You might be right about the turf war. It's a bit like the problem in NI, which wasn't about religion, it was a turf war.

It's not a turf war in the UK though, it's something else, but I still don't think the religion is to blame - people have minds of their own, no matter what anyone says to them.

I think Dean's point is, though, that there is a civil war going on within the Muslim peoples, between Sunni and Shi'ite. It's been going on for some 1400-years.

If you take in a Muslim population, you inevitably take in that civil war. What caused the Iran-Iraq war? Why is Iran in Syria in the first place? They've got wars, within wars, withing wars, ad infinitum...

by Syl Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:37 pm

eddie wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:Your armchair pyhschology is pathetic.

As I've always said to you Smelly, if this is an Islam thing then the vast majority of Muslims are not practicing their faith.

For some real psychology, read links like:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-therapy/201009/understanding-the-suicide-bomber

"Third, episodes of brutality and backwardness have periodically visited every religion and ethnicity. The ‘mentality' explanation is also the seed of all racism--Jews, for example, were said over millennia to have a seedy, greedy mentality--and also the seed of despair, since ‘mentality' is innate and unchangeable."

---

Which makes you a hypocrite as well as a twat.

I had to interrupt fucking your mother for this. My back is already hurting from digging that bitch up.

Zack this is absolutely disgusting and I'm totally amazed that nobody reported this post.
I have no idea why you'd stoop so low as to say that about another poster's family member.

I would ban you for this just as I did smelly bandit for saying something similar to sassy (bet there's no fucking uproar over you saying it though)

I am going to ask other admin what is the best course of action in the meantime it would be nice if you actually apologised to Didge.

I hadn't seen it. I agree with you its totally unwarranted, and probably (in spite of all the outrage at other posts dragged over from another forum) the most disgustingly personal post I have ever read on this forum.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:37 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You might be right about the turf war. It's a bit like the problem in NI, which wasn't about religion, it was a turf war.

It's not a turf war in the UK though, it's something else, but I still don't think the religion is to blame - people have minds of their own, no matter what anyone says to them.

I think Dean's point is, though, that there is a civil war going on within the Muslim peoples, between Sunni and Shi'ite. It's been going on for some 1400-years.

If you take in a Muslim population, you inevitably take in that civil war. What caused the Iran-Iraq war? Why is Iran in Syria in the first place? They've got wars, within wars, withing wars, ad infinitum...

Yes - I don't know what problem the Sunnis have with the Shi'ites, and vice versa, but I think that ISIS rose up partly because of the defeat of Saddam Hussein, and the rise of the Shi'ites in Iraq.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:39 pm

I hadn't seen Zack's post either. It doesn't actually sound like him, and it's such a random comment. scratch

by Original Quill Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:51 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I think Dean's point is, though, that there is a civil war going on within the Muslim peoples, between Sunni and Shi'ite. It's been going on for some 1400-years.

If you take in a Muslim population, you inevitably take in that civil war. What caused the Iran-Iraq war? Why is Iran in Syria in the first place? They've got wars, within wars, withing wars, ad infinitum...

Yes - I don't know what problem the Sunnis have with the Shi'ites, and vice versa, but I think that ISIS rose up partly because of the defeat of Saddam Hussein, and the rise of the Shi'ites in Iraq.

Yes they did. They are the old officers of the Iraqi military, among others. They go back to the Baath Party.

The Sunni and Shi'ite differ over the Prophet Muhammad's succession on his death in 632. Shiites believe that he chose Ali, his cousin and son-in-law. But Sunnis have broadened the dispute to be over any succession, the Sunnis believing a new leader should be chosen by consensus versus the Shi'ite belief that only the prophet’s descendants should become caliph

by Fuzzy Zack Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:22 am

eddie wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:Your armchair pyhschology is pathetic.

As I've always said to you Smelly, if this is an Islam thing then the vast majority of Muslims are not practicing their faith.

For some real psychology, read links like:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-therapy/201009/understanding-the-suicide-bomber

"Third, episodes of brutality and backwardness have periodically visited every religion and ethnicity. The ‘mentality' explanation is also the seed of all racism--Jews, for example, were said over millennia to have a seedy, greedy mentality--and also the seed of despair, since ‘mentality' is innate and unchangeable."

---

Which makes you a hypocrite as well as a twat.

I had to interrupt fucking your mother for this. My back is already hurting from digging that bitch up.

Zack this is absolutely disgusting and I'm totally amazed that nobody reported this post.
I have no idea why you'd stoop so low as to say that about another poster's family member.

I would ban you for this just as I did smelly bandit for saying something similar to sassy (bet there's no fucking uproar over you saying it though)

I am going to ask other admin what is the best course of action in the meantime it would be nice if you actually apologised to Didge.

Eddie - go fuck yourself. I am not apologising to that bigoted cu-nt.

It's ok for him to keep to spew his hatred but just becuase I punch harder, you notice me.

I don't really care about a ban. You don't even have the balls to ban someone permanently.

As for Didge's mum: I put her back in her box. She was bony and stank and wasn't worth a fuck in the end.

Ban that, bitch.

by Fuzzy Zack Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:26 am

Just so you understand Eddie:

Ban me, don't ban me, let me back in (coz you don't have the balls to ban me permenantly) - Didge's mum is now fair game.

by Fuzzy Zack Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:27 am

Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:

Zack this is absolutely disgusting and I'm totally amazed that nobody reported this post.
I have no idea why you'd stoop so low as to say that about another poster's family member.

I would ban you for this just as I did smelly bandit for saying something similar to sassy (bet there's no fucking uproar over you saying it though)

I am going to ask other admin what is the best course of action in the meantime it would be nice if you actually apologised to Didge.

I hadn't seen it. I agree with you its totally unwarranted, and probably (in spite of all the outrage at other posts dragged over from another forum) the most disgustingly personal post I have ever read on this forum.

I can do better. I wasn't even trying.

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:29 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Just so you understand Eddie:

Ban me, don't ban me, let me back in (coz you don't have the balls to ban me permenantly) - Didge's mum is now fair game.

I would say Hi, nice to see you again but now I'm not sure I dare

Suspect

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:30 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
eddie wrote:

Zack this is absolutely disgusting and I'm totally amazed that nobody reported this post.
I have no idea why you'd stoop so low as to say that about another poster's family member.

I would ban you for this just as I did smelly bandit for saying something similar to sassy (bet there's no fucking uproar over you saying it though)

I am going to ask other admin what is the best course of action in the meantime it would be nice if you actually apologised to Didge.

Eddie - go fuck yourself. I am not apologising to that bigoted cu-nt.

It's ok for him to keep to spew his hatred but just becuase I punch harder, you notice me.

I don't really care about a ban. You don't even have the balls to ban someone permanently.

As for Didge's mum: I put her back in her box. She was bony and stank and wasn't worth a fuck in the end.

Ban that, bitch.

What hatred have I spouted?

You see the problem again where people cannot take criticism of problems within religion.

And you prove elegantly the problem with this, by your reactions. As seen replicated by some Muslims all over the world. When they cannot take criticism or their religion.

Your insults were very childish and if you noticed it did not bother me, because it was you being hateful and not even to me, but my mother who is not even on here..

You just showed what an embarrassment you are to all Muslims by your behaviour, as many would be as shocked by your childish and hateful outbursts.

The fact you use misogynistic views by calling women "bitches", says everything that is wrong in how Islam is taught to some Muslims and why Islam requires a reformation. I mean you constantly refer to women in this derogative fashion. Which I believe comes from religious teachings you have had. You are just further proving my point around the issues of religion. Or its not because of the religion and you are just simple hateful of women, full stop.

So which is it?

by nicko Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:13 pm

His an ugly fucker, never had a Woman,[unless paid for].

I'll get me coat] !

by eddie Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:39 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
eddie wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:Your armchair pyhschology is pathetic.

As I've always said to you Smelly, if this is an Islam thing then the vast majority of Muslims are not practicing their faith.

For some real psychology, read links like:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-therapy/201009/understanding-the-suicide-bomber

"Third, episodes of brutality and backwardness have periodically visited every religion and ethnicity. The ‘mentality' explanation is also the seed of all racism--Jews, for example, were said over millennia to have a seedy, greedy mentality--and also the seed of despair, since ‘mentality' is innate and unchangeable."

---

Which makes you a hypocrite as well as a twat.

I had to interrupt fucking your mother for this. My back is already hurting from digging that bitch up.

Zack this is absolutely disgusting and I'm totally amazed that nobody reported this post.
I have no idea why you'd stoop so low as to say that about another poster's family member.

I would ban you for this just as I did smelly bandit for saying something similar to sassy (bet there's no fucking uproar over you saying it though)

I am going to ask other admin what is the best course of action in the meantime it would be nice if you actually apologised to Didge.

Eddie - go fuck yourself. I am not apologising to that bigoted cu-nt.

It's ok for him to keep to spew his hatred but just becuase I punch harder, you notice me.

I don't really care about a ban. You don't even have the balls to ban someone permanently.

As for Didge's mum: I put her back in her box. She was bony and stank and wasn't worth a fuck in the end.

Ban that, bitch.

Yeah you're banned for thirty days. Come back or don't.

If you don't know the difference between what you wrote and normal debating 'abuse' then I'm sorry for you.

by HoratioTarr Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:54 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Thorin wrote:

I thought this was a debate forum is it not?

Seems you struggle to read as well, as I stated Quran, hadith, etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_blasphemy

So this is what is wrong with poor apologists, because for centuries people have been executed for leaving Islam.

In the west they are often ostracized by their families and the Muslim community

You see its not just about the Quran as they also deify Muhammad through the hadiths

Wikipedia! Lolololol

I asked you where it states in the Quran?

As I said don't argue with a Muslim over the Quran.

Cause I have studied it and you have no clue about it at all!

I rest my case.

Why is the Quran so twisted by certain Muslims? We see it everywhere, to a lesser or greater degree. It's quite emphatic about certain things...as is the Bible. All religions seem to have these rules and regulations put in place in the name of God when in fact they were written by men. It's something I don't understand in this day and age. Humans still subjugated by what was written thousands of years ago. If people looked more to God and spirituality within themselves rather than in the pages of some Medieval Story Books, the world would be a better place.

by HoratioTarr Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:57 pm

eddie wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Eddie - go fuck yourself. I am not apologising to that bigoted cu-nt.

It's ok for him to keep to spew his hatred but just becuase I punch harder, you notice me.

I don't really care about a ban. You don't even have the balls to ban someone permanently.

As for Didge's mum: I put her back in her box. She was bony and stank and wasn't worth a fuck in the end.

Ban that, bitch.

Yeah you're banned for thirty days. Come back or don't.

If you don't know the difference between what you wrote and normal debating 'abuse' then I'm sorry for you.

I've not read such vile shit for a long time on forums. What a heinous thing to say.

by HoratioTarr Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:02 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:the only people Muslims like killing more than westerners are other Muslims. they have been killing each other for 1400 years since Muhammed died.

It's a turf war more than a religion.

You might be right about the turf war. It's a bit like the problem in NI, which wasn't about religion, it was a turf war.

It's not a turf war in the UK though, it's something else, but I still don't think the religion is to blame - people have minds of their own, no matter what anyone says to them.

I think religion is an excuse for people to do bad things they would probably do anyway. Doing it in the name of God somehow justifies it to them.

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:32 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You might be right about the turf war. It's a bit like the problem in NI, which wasn't about religion, it was a turf war.

It's not a turf war in the UK though, it's something else, but I still don't think the religion is to blame - people have minds of their own, no matter what anyone says to them.

I think religion is an excuse for people to do bad things they would probably do anyway. Doing it in the name of God somehow justifies it to them.

You would think that would be the case Horatio, but when you read many of the accounts of these ISIS supporters. They so believe and normalise what we rightly see as wrong. Many are normal people, who have been so brainwashed that they believe that they are commanded to carry out such punishments and this will some how ensure a place in this mythical heaven they believe in. They actually look forward in many cases to dying as martyrs which. As they believe this overrides everything, but getting an automatic pass into their heaven.

This is all about how and where people are very insecure and fear death, they will literally believe anything. Its not just found in Islam. Even some Christians look forward to the end of days and the second coming of Christ, where its taught the world will end. You have cults that end up all committing suicide, where they think the world is going to end. Such brainwashing allows people to normalise things we find appalling and is done often with religious text in justifying this. This is the danger of verses or claims to historical deeds that teach absolutes morals and punishments. As then it becomes acceptable to believers. They are so in fear of their deity, they will see any command as justified and righteous. Depended on what is being taught. Luckily most believers donot look to act put such punishments on people.

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:18 pm

Thorin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

I think religion is an excuse for people to do bad things they would probably do anyway. Doing it in the name of God somehow justifies it to them.

You would think that would be the case Horatio, but when you read many of the accounts of these ISIS supporters. They so believe and normalise what we rightly see as wrong. Many are normal people, who have been so brainwashed that they believe that they are commanded to carry out such punishments and this will some how ensure a place in this mythical heaven they believe in. They actually look forward in many cases to dying as martyrs which. As they believe this overrides everything, but getting an automatic pass into their heaven.

This is all about how and where people are very insecure and fear death, they will literally believe anything. Its not just found in Islam. Even some Christians look forward to the end of days and the second coming of Christ, where its taught the world will end. You have cults that end up all committing suicide, where they think the world is going to end. Such brainwashing allows people to normalise things we find appalling and is done often with religious text in justifying this. This is the danger of verses or claims to historical deeds that teach absolutes morals and punishments. As then it becomes acceptable to believers. They are so in fear of their deity, they will see any command as justified and righteous. Depended on what is being taught. Luckily most believers donot look to act put such punishments on people.

Bang on didge

agree with everything

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:52 pm

gelico wrote:
Thorin wrote:

You would think that would be the case Horatio, but when you read many of the accounts of these ISIS supporters. They so believe and normalise what we rightly see as wrong. Many are normal people, who have been so brainwashed that they believe that they are commanded to carry out such punishments and this will some how ensure a place in this mythical heaven they believe in. They actually look forward in many cases to dying as martyrs which. As they believe this overrides everything, but getting an automatic pass into their heaven.

This is all about how and where people are very insecure and fear death, they will literally believe anything. Its not just found in Islam. Even some Christians look forward to the end of days and the second coming of Christ, where its taught the world will end. You have cults that end up all committing suicide, where they think the world is going to end. Such brainwashing allows people to normalise things we find appalling and is done often with religious text in justifying this. This is the danger of verses or claims to historical deeds that teach absolutes morals and punishments. As then it becomes acceptable to believers. They are so in fear of their deity, they will see any command as justified and righteous. Depended on what is being taught. Luckily most believers donot look to act put such punishments on people.

Bang on didge

agree with everything

Thanks Gelico

This is the point, you only have to listen to these believers themselves to understand what they believe in.
I think more and more understand this problem, which has been going on for centuries.

Its not promoting hate against a religion but showing how such a religion can be used to do such countless wrong. Where people will not see what they are doing wrong, but think its righteous. This then requires people to question aspects of that faith, but many are fearful to do so. As seen believers get very hostile as we have seen on this very thread. When you show things very problematic within a religion. As if they end up truly questioning their faith, they are then fearful of losing that faith. As they then end up admitting to problems with that faith and being wrong. Their whole belief system comes crashing down around them. Hence why those who literally believe tend to be very hostile if you challenge their beliefs. They do not want to admit to being wrong.

by Raggamuffin Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:22 pm

Thorin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

I think religion is an excuse for people to do bad things they would probably do anyway. Doing it in the name of God somehow justifies it to them.

You would think that would be the case Horatio, but when you read many of the accounts of these ISIS supporters. They so believe and normalise what we rightly see as wrong. Many are normal people, who have been so brainwashed that they believe that they are commanded to carry out such punishments and this will some how ensure a place in this mythical heaven they believe in. They actually look forward in many cases to dying as martyrs which. As they believe this overrides everything, but getting an automatic pass into their heaven.

This is all about how and where people are very insecure and fear death, they will literally believe anything. Its not just found in Islam. Even some Christians look forward to the end of days and the second coming of Christ, where its taught the world will end. You have cults that end up all committing suicide, where they think the world is going to end. Such brainwashing allows people to normalise things we find appalling and is done often with religious text in justifying this. This is the danger of verses or claims to historical deeds that teach absolutes morals and punishments. As then it becomes acceptable to believers. They are so in fear of their deity, they will see any command as justified and righteous. Depended on what is being taught. Luckily most believers donot look to act put such punishments on people.

I think the point is that they don't fear death.

by Raggamuffin Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:23 pm

Re Zack, did he just snap because he's sick and tired of seeing Muslims and Islam bashed on here every five minutes? Perhaps you could change the record sometimes Didge?

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:38 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Re Zack, did he just snap because he's sick and tired of seeing Muslims and Islam bashed on here every five minutes? Perhaps you could change the record sometimes Didge?

Well then is not the problem as I said the religion itself, how it can make people like this?
I am not bashing Muslims, but rightly speaking about the problems of religions per say when believed literally..
I mean by your reasoning the murder of the Charlie Hebdo workers was justified, because those extremists that carried out this attack, as they were sick and tired of satire about Islam?

Is that what you are saying Rags.

Sorry but to say we should not speak about problems due to the sensitivities of how people are over religion, means we should not stop talking about it, as that is a serious issue if that is how people react

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:42 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

You would think that would be the case Horatio, but when you read many of the accounts of these ISIS supporters. They so believe and normalise what we rightly see as wrong. Many are normal people, who have been so brainwashed that they believe that they are commanded to carry out such punishments and this will some how ensure a place in this mythical heaven they believe in. They actually look forward in many cases to dying as martyrs which. As they believe this overrides everything, but getting an automatic pass into their heaven.

This is all about how and where people are very insecure and fear death, they will literally believe anything. Its not just found in Islam. Even some Christians look forward to the end of days and the second coming of Christ, where its taught the world will end. You have cults that end up all committing suicide, where they think the world is going to end. Such brainwashing allows people to normalise things we find appalling and is done often with religious text in justifying this. This is the danger of verses or claims to historical deeds that teach absolutes morals and punishments. As then it becomes acceptable to believers. They are so in fear of their deity, they will see any command as justified and righteous. Depended on what is being taught. Luckily most believers donot look to act put such punishments on people.

I think the point is that they don't fear death.

It is because they have overcome their fear of death, due to their belief in a deity, but they certainly fear this deity and the hell-fire. Hence how people very insecure over death fall prey to such beliefs

by magica Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:06 pm

The more I look at this picture the more it don't ring true. Look at her face, no fear.

I know they welcome death but well doesn't look right to me.

by Raggamuffin Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:08 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Re Zack, did he just snap because he's sick and tired of seeing Muslims and Islam bashed on here every five minutes? Perhaps you could change the record sometimes Didge?

Well then is not the problem as I said the religion itself, how it can make people like this?
I am not bashing Muslims, but rightly speaking about the problems of religions per say when believed literally..
I mean by your reasoning the murder of the Charlie Hebdo workers was justified, because those extremists that carried out this attack, as they were sick and tired of satire about Islam?

Is that what you are saying Rags.

Sorry but to say we should not speak about problems due to the sensitivities of how people are over religion, means we should not stop talking about it, as that is a serious issue if that is how people react

You do bang on about Islam in a negative way a lot though, and if Zack takes his faith seriously, he's going to get very pissed off about that.

by Raggamuffin Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:08 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I think the point is that they don't fear death.

It is because they have overcome their fear of death, due to their belief in a deity, but they certainly fear this deity and the hell-fire. Hence how people very insecure over death fall prey to such beliefs

I don't think you have the right to tell religious people how they feel actually.

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:10 pm

magica wrote:The more I look at this picture the more it don't ring true. Look at her face, no fear.

I know they welcome death but well doesn't look right to me.

As I say Magica, all you need to do is listen to some of these extremists.

They are so convinced they will be welcomed into their heaven and they cannot wait to be martyred.

To you and me this seems, madness, but its something they strive for within the likes of ISIS.

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:15 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Well then is not the problem as I said the religion itself, how it can make people like this?
I am not bashing Muslims, but rightly speaking about the problems of religions per say when believed literally..
I mean by your reasoning the murder of the Charlie Hebdo workers was justified, because those extremists that carried out this attack, as they were sick and tired of satire about Islam?

Is that what you are saying Rags.

Sorry but to say we should not speak about problems due to the sensitivities of how people are over religion, means we should not stop talking about it, as that is a serious issue if that is how people react

You do bang on about Islam in a negative way a lot though, and if Zack takes his faith seriously, he's going to get very pissed off about that.

So you would excuse a child having an tantrum not getting his way, as that is what effectively you are saying

Does not matter if he takes his faith seriously, and is the problem with how people get upset. Because they rightly fear that they might be wrong. Hence the anger and how and why people become more defensive. To many its what they have believed all their lives to then be wrong.

Its why believers fear taking the "outsiders test". The ability to critical look at your own faith/religion, as you would do of any other faith/religion.

I have every right to bang on about anything and if he cannot take it, then he should think about why he is here, if he cannot.

What next, would you tell me not to talk about the problems of Nazism, as I might upset some Nazis?

The answer to that is tough, they need to grow up and very quickly.

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:17 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

It is because they have overcome their fear of death, due to their belief in a deity, but they certainly fear this deity and the hell-fire. Hence how people very insecure over death fall prey to such beliefs

I don't think you have the right to tell religious people how they feel actually.

I am not telling them how they feel, I just very much understand how they do feel.

You see I once was also religious and believed in a God and did originally fear death

So you going to introduce a new law, sayings its illegal to understand people and religious beliefs?

Behave, all i see you doing Rags is looking for a way to protect beliefs and ideologies from criticism

by eddie Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:20 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Re Zack, did he just snap because he's sick and tired of seeing Muslims and Islam bashed on here every five minutes? Perhaps you could change the record sometimes Didge?

It's a debate forum and any news item may have a thread.
Zack isn't usually so aggressive and I hate banning people but that was beyond nasty.

by Victorismyhero Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:45 pm

my POV

if you cant take and handle criticism of your faith, valid or not...then your faith in your faith is weak...
indeed if you cant question your own faith for yourself...it is indeed not faith at all, but something much lesser

by Raggamuffin Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:49 pm

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Re Zack, did he just snap because he's sick and tired of seeing Muslims and Islam bashed on here every five minutes? Perhaps you could change the record sometimes Didge?

It's a debate forum and any news item may have a thread.
Zack isn't usually so aggressive and I hate banning people but that was beyond nasty.

Yes, but you can't expect someone to put up with someone going on and on and on and criticising and mocking their faith day in, day out. It was so out of character for him.

by Raggamuffin Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:50 pm

I think you three are completely wrong. People are just human, and the anti-Islam stuff on here is OTT. I've seen Ben say the same thing actually. It's the same sort of stuff over and over again, with Didge holding forth and telling everyone how religious people think and feel, when in reality he has no idea how anyone feels.

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:56 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I think you three are completely wrong. People are just human, and the anti-Islam stuff on here is OTT. I've seen Ben say the same thing actually. It's the same sort of stuff over and over again, with Didge holding forth and telling everyone how religious people think and feel, when in reality he has no idea how anyone feels.

So like I said, you are trying to censer any debate and discussion about religion and this is so because you yourself are religious.
Like I said religious people need to grow up at times, and this is a prime example.
If you have read the thread, I am pointing out what these believers themselves are saying what they believe.

Now you may not like my views and I even asked that Zack not be banned, but that is not my choice. Though if he cannot take criticism over his faith, then he should question why he is here, if it upsets him.

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:56 pm

Lord Foul wrote:my POV

if you cant take and handle criticism of your faith, valid or not...then your faith in your faith is weak...
indeed if you cant question your own faith for yourself...it is indeed not faith at all, but something much lesser

+1

by Raggamuffin Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:59 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I think you three are completely wrong. People are just human, and the anti-Islam stuff on here is OTT. I've seen Ben say the same thing actually. It's the same sort of stuff over and over again, with Didge holding forth and telling everyone how religious people think and feel, when in reality he has no idea how anyone feels.

So like I said, you are trying to censure any debate and discussion about religion and this is so because you yourself are religious.
Like I said religious people need to grow up at times, and this is a prime example.
If you have read the thread, I am pointing out what these believers themselves are saying what they believe.

Now you may not like my views and I even asked that Zack not be banned, but that is not my choice. Though if he cannot take criticism over his faith, then he should question why he is here, if it upsets him.

I'm not doing anything of the sort, I'm explaining why I think Zack went over the top. If you were bleating on and on about black people every minute of the day, and then told one - "oh, if you can't take a bit of criticism, then you must be weak and ashamed of being black", you'd probably get quite a lot of abuse.

Don't bother to tell me that religion is a "choice" - I've heard that old chestnut too many times.

He probably doesn't want to be here any more, reading your posts where you claim to know everything a Muslim feels and thinks. He's probably sick to death of it.

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:09 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

So like I said, you are trying to censure any debate and discussion about religion and this is so because you yourself are religious.
Like I said religious people need to grow up at times, and this is a prime example.
If you have read the thread, I am pointing out what these believers themselves are saying what they believe.

Now you may not like my views and I even asked that Zack not be banned, but that is not my choice. Though if he cannot take criticism over his faith, then he should question why he is here, if it upsets him.

I'm not doing anything of the sort, I'm explaining why I think Zack went over the top. If you were bleating on and on about black people every minute of the day, and then told one - "oh, if you can't take a bit of criticism, then you must be weak and ashamed of being black", you'd probably get quite a lot of abuse.

Don't bother to tell me that religion is a "choice" - I've heard that old chestnut too many times.

He probably doesn't want to be here any more, reading your posts where you claim to know everything a Muslim feels and thinks. He's probably sick to death of it.

You are providing a poor excuse, as there is never any excuse for abuse, even when I do.
I have spoken many times about racism also on this forum, which involves black people, but black people are born as they are.
People choose to have a religion or not which is a vast difference. You cannot change being black, you can over what you believe.

So religion is a choice, and very much so as i was once religious and now I no longer believer.
That is an active choice.

The problem being discussed is something that has gone on for centuries, where people badly buy into something because they fear. Its a fear of the unknown, that allows people to fall prey to religions. It can help in a good way and a bad way. The problem is when they take literally beliefs found and then enforce those beliefs on others.

I dont pretend to know how every Muslim feels, and I never have, What I am offering up is reasonable explanations as to how and why people believe and do these things abhorrent as we see with ISIS.You see it happen with cults, Christianity etc throughout history.

You may not like this, but maybe you should allow others to debate this as they are interested.

by Raggamuffin Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:24 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not doing anything of the sort, I'm explaining why I think Zack went over the top. If you were bleating on and on about black people every minute of the day, and then told one - "oh, if you can't take a bit of criticism, then you must be weak and ashamed of being black", you'd probably get quite a lot of abuse.

Don't bother to tell me that religion is a "choice" - I've heard that old chestnut too many times.

He probably doesn't want to be here any more, reading your posts where you claim to know everything a Muslim feels and thinks. He's probably sick to death of it.

You are providing a poor excuse, as there is never any excuse for abuse, even when I do.
I have spoken many times about racism also on this forum, which involves black people, but black people are born as they are.
People choose to have a religion or not which is a vast difference. You cannot change being black, you can over what you believe.

So religion is a choice, and very much so as i was once religious and now I no longer believer.
That is an active choice.

The problem being discussed is something that has gone on for centuries, where people badly buy into something because they fear. Its a fear of the unknown, that allows people to fall prey to religions. It can help in a good way and a bad way. The problem is when they take literally beliefs found and then enforce those beliefs on others.

I dont pretend to know how every Muslim feels, and I never have, What I am offering up is reasonable explanations as to how and why people believe and do these things abhorrent as we see with ISIS.You see it happen with cults, Christianity etc throughout history.

You may not like this, but maybe you should allow others to debate this as they are interested.

I told you not to bother with that old chestnut about religion being a choice. You have no idea about it - really you don't. You're at it again - telling people with faith why they have that faith. You post about this subject over and over and again, and you've never managed to convince anyone with faith that they shouldn't, so what is the point, other than to piss them off? It's become a form of baiting and provoking.

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

You are providing a poor excuse, as there is never any excuse for abuse, even when I do.
I have spoken many times about racism also on this forum, which involves black people, but black people are born as they are.
People choose to have a religion or not which is a vast difference. You cannot change being black, you can over what you believe.

So religion is a choice, and very much so as i was once religious and now I no longer believer.
That is an active choice.

The problem being discussed is something that has gone on for centuries, where people badly buy into something because they fear. Its a fear of the unknown, that allows people to fall prey to religions. It can help in a good way and a bad way. The problem is when they take literally beliefs found and then enforce those beliefs on others.

I dont pretend to know how every Muslim feels, and I never have, What I am offering up is reasonable explanations as to how and why people believe and do these things abhorrent as we see with ISIS.You see it happen with cults, Christianity etc throughout history.

You may not like this, but maybe you should allow others to debate this as they are interested.

I told you not to bother with that old chestnut about religion being a choice. You have no idea about it - really you don't. You're at it again - telling people with faith why they have that faith. You post about this subject over and over and again, and you've never managed to convince anyone with faith that they shouldn't, so what is the point, other than to piss them off? It's become a form of baiting and provoking.

I will continue to speak out on poor beliefs, and best you get used to that.
When people stop persecuting people and murdering them because they believe some myth commands them to do so. i will continue to talk about how people are so easily brainwashed into believing as they are fundamentally insecure.
If you do not like that, it just further proves what is wrong with religion and the insensitivity of believers.
All you do is offer up excuses for when people go mental and murder people because they did not like some cartoons.

Well they need to learn to grow up and understand if I or anyone else wants to criticise their beliefs, or even take the mick out of beliefs, then they need to learn to grow up like many religious people have today in the West.

Next you will be calling for the "Life of Brian" to be banned

by Raggamuffin Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:33 pm

Also, don't bother with this crap that you didn't want him banned. You even brought up a post he made to Wolfboy - the most abusive member here. You bait and bait and bait, and then play the innocent victim when they turn on you. I can sense SM's frustration with these threads on Islam as well. You just don't listen to her at all. I've disagreed with her a few times, but at least I don't take the attitude that she's talking rubbish.

As I said, the post that Zack made was out of character, even though he can be a bit feisty, and I've had a few tiffs with him from time to time. You can't keep on baiting someone and expect them to put up with it.

It's you who needs to grow up and try to understand people's feelings a bit more. You're no psychologist, that's for sure.

by eddie Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:34 pm

People can always ignore posters and poster's opinions.
How are we supposed to moderate how much someone can talk about something?
Zack posts sporadically anyway and probably doesn't much care if he's banned or not. There are other places he can post where people will be happy to keep him happy because it makes them feel good.

This is a debate forum. If poster's can't control their words - and lets face it, we have the option of pressing 'send' - then they shouldn't be on debate forums.

Simply put, if a poster goes on and on at me, like didge has in the past, I don't read the thread anymore. I choose to not read or reply.
It's really fucking simple.

by Raggamuffin Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:37 pm

eddie wrote:People can always ignore posters and poster's opinions.
How are we supposed to moderate how much someone can talk about something?
Zack posts sporadically anyway and probably doesn't much care if he's banned or not. There are other places he can post where people will be happy to keep him happy because it makes them feel good.

This is a debate forum. If poster's can't control their words - and lets face it, we have the option of pressing 'send' - then they shouldn't be on debate forums.

Simply put, if a poster goes on and on at me, like didge has in the past, I don't read the thread anymore. I choose to not read or reply.
It's really fucking simple.

It's not surprising he doesn't post much is it? Didge is constantly banging on about Muslims and telling everyone how they feel and what they think. Didge doesn't seem to be able to control himself.

Quite frankly, I think you're not understanding the situation at all, and you're being a bit of a bigot too.

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:38 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Also, don't bother with this crap that you didn't want him banned. You even brought up a post he made to Wolfboy - the most abusive member here. You bait and bait and bait, and then play the innocent victim when they turn on you. I can sense SM's frustration with these threads on Islam as well. You just don't listen to her at all. I've disagreed with her a few times, but at least I don't take the attitude that she's talking rubbish.

As I said, the post that Zack made was out of character, even though he can be a bit feisty, and I've had a few tiffs with him from time to time. You can't keep on baiting someone and expect them to put up with it.

It's you who needs to grow up and try to understand people's feelings a bit more. You're no psychologist, that's for sure.

Ask Sexy and eddie then if you do not believe me.

As I did not want him banned.

Sexy spoke to me privately and I asked publically on here and on a PM to Eddie

You are now deliberately trying to start a fight with me by making unfounded accusations, when I never baited anyone on this thread. In fact I posted my views and had aggression angled at me.

Now keep continued to prove what is wrong with this over sensitive with their beliefs.
As that is exactly what you are doing with every single post you have made.

The fact you have tried to offer excuses for Zack on nothing I said wrong to him on this thread, shows ridiculous your claims are on this

You really was wound up rags and over nothing I have done, other than you wish to silence me.

That is not going to happen

So best you get used to that

by Raggamuffin Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:39 pm

Didge, you dedicate your entire life to trying to offend people on a forum, and when you finally succeed, you blame them for actually being offended. Grow up! Get used to me telling you what a bigoted bore you are.

by Guest Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:41 pm

eddie wrote:People can always ignore posters and poster's opinions.
How are we supposed to moderate how much someone can talk about something?
Zack posts sporadically anyway and probably doesn't much care if he's banned or not. There are other places he can post where people will be happy to keep him happy because it makes them feel good.

This is a debate forum. If poster's can't control their words - and lets face it, we have the option of pressing 'send' - then they shouldn't be on debate forums.

Simply put, if a poster goes on and on at me, like didge has in the past, I don't read the thread anymore. I choose to not read or reply.
It's really fucking simple.

Best to leave it now, Rags is on a mission to make this all my fault and stamp her feet on this, so let her.

Not bothered

Just going to ignore her now on this, as she is now also calling you a bigot because you disagree, which seems to be the bog standard reply by some when they do not like replies from people.

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