Italy considers closing its ports to boats carrying migrants

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:23 pm

The Italian government is considering blocking boats carrying migrants from landing at its ports after nearly 11,000 refugees arrived on its shores in five days.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/28/italy-considers-closing-its-ports-to-ships-from-libya

Time to start shipping them straight to the African Union to deal with!!!

by HoratioTarr Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:37 pm

It's getting ridiculous. The only people making money are the traffickers.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:49 pm

The ones turning up are doing very nicely out of it...

All they have to do is shout 'asylum' and tell some bullshit sob story and next thing they are given a nice house to live in and a multitude of benefits cash...

Ship them straight to somewhere in Africa for the African Union to deal with them!!!

Then see how quick they stop trying to come and take the piss!!!

by Tommy Monk Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:02 pm

Time to start shipping them straight back to the African Union to deal with!!!

It is the only logical and sensible solution for the long term...

by magica Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:57 pm

Yes, the more Euro takes in the more come. I don't understand how the immigrants have thousands to pay these traffickers yet nothing when they get there.

The only way to stop this and traffickers, is to refuse them landing, then they have to go back.

Saudi won't have them nor many Islamic countries. It's getting silly now. Most are young men. Theyre in a safe country Turkey, so really should be made to stay.

Europe is getting so they can't cope much more. Traffickers should be caught and imprisoned.

by Tommy Monk Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:14 am

These are sub saharan africans were talking about...

by magica Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:21 am

What's a sub Saharan African. Why are they all heading over as well.

by Tommy Monk Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:33 am

They are Africans from the main continent of Africa, south of the sahara desert... illegal immigrants for purely self interest reasons, and abusing the asylum rules for personal financial gain... as they know that if they can get to europe then shout 'asylum' and give a bullshit sob story, then they win a house and all expenses paid by benefits system...!!!

by magica Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:49 am

Well they should be stopped. All men,no women on the boats. They've jumped on the bandwagon.

They get established then bring all their families over, usually many, as they have big families.

by Tommy Monk Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:58 am

The only way to put a stop to the piss taking is to ship them straight back to somewhere on African coast and make the African Union deal with them there...!

by Tommy Monk Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:37 pm

I have added a vote option to this thread...

So what do you reckon...?

Get voting folks!

by JulesV Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:03 am

I feel so sorry for countries like Italy and Greece, which have taken in so many boat people, they've reached saturation point.

I also feel sorry for the boat people too, having risked their lives and used a lifetime of savings, to travel to Europe for a number of reasons including :

1. To better themselves, economically. That is how America was created. By immigrants!

2. To escape wars, many of which are usually orchestrated from outside.

3. To escape the effects of climate change, which can only get worse.

4. Victims of trafficking.

Very sad, all round.

by Guest Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:48 pm

Austria has deployed armoured vehicles close to its border with Italy and will send up to 750 soldiers to guard the frontier against migrants, the government said on Tuesday.

The move reflects deep concern in Vienna and elsewhere in Europe over the huge number of asylum seekers who continue to cross the Mediterranean from the coast of Libya – so far this year more than 85,000 have been rescued and brought to Italy.

Austria plans to increase border controls at the Brenner Pass, a key trade and transport route through the Alps that connects the two countries.

The 750 soldiers could be rushed to the border within 72 hours if there was a migration emergency, officials said.

"I expect border controls will be introduced very soon," Peter Doskozil, the defence minister, told the newspaper Kronen Zeitung. His spokesman said there was no concrete timetable for the new controls.

"But we see how the situation in Italy is becoming more acute and we have to be prepared to avoid a situation comparable to summer 2015."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/04/austria-send-troops-armoured-vehicles-border-italy-block-migrants/

by Tommy Monk Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:23 pm

Jules... they are illegal immigrants trying to take advantage of asylum rules... purely for their own personal financial gain... at the expense of hard working taxpayers...

If all they genuinely want is safety, then there are plenty of safe places in Africa already, and it should be down to the African union to deal with them...

by Guest Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:22 am

[*]Since January 2015, 1,478,558 migrants have arrived in Europe by sea while 101,210 have done so this year

[*]In 2017, around 85,000 migrants - including 12,000 just this week - have sailed from Libyan ports to Italy

[*]Many of the migrants reach the island of Lampedusa, 70 miles from Africa's coast, or find their way to Sicily

Before Britain helped to overthrow Colonel Gaddafi, he said that without a prosperous Libya, the migration of Africans to Europe would be uncontrollable. Today, he seems to have been proved right. After his killing in 2011, Libya's oil-rich economy collapsed, to be replaced by a lucrative people-smuggling trade which sends fleets of boats across the Mediterranean carrying illegal migrants who have paid sky-high fares for the 'privilege'. So far this year, 85,000 have sailed from Libyan ports to Italy, with 12,000 arriving in the past week. Many reach the island of Lampedusa, just 70 miles from the African coast, or find their way to Sicily. From there, they are processed and taken to holding camps across Italy from which many disappear and make their way north towards Western Europe.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4669236/The-great-exodus-Migrants-make-way-Mediterranean.html#ixzz4m2PPpxic

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:38 am

Tommy Monk wrote:The only way to put a stop to the piss taking is to ship them straight back to somewhere on African coast and make the African Union deal with them there...!

This is the only sensible solution!

by Original Quill Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:41 am

It's better than taking a boat outta Italy.

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Italy considers closing its ports to boats carrying migrants 69A4B58D-94CA-43EB-ACE2-D796C784328C_w1023_r1_s

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:16 am

Original Quill wrote:It's better than taking a boat outta Italy.

Thats funny... is it...!!!???

You have stooped to a new low...!

Do you have any 'funny' pictures of any other maritime disasters...?

How about some 'funny' pictures of some capsised boats off the coast of Libya with some dead Africans floating about around it...!?

Evil or Very Mad

by Original Quill Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:37 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Original Quill wrote:It's better than taking a boat outta Italy.

Thats funny... is it...!!!???

You have stooped to a new low...!

Do you have any 'funny' pictures of any other maritime disasters...?

How about some 'funny' pictures of some capsised boats off the coast of Libya with some dead Africans floating about around it...!?

None from Libya. But others from Italy are not hard to find:

Italy considers closing its ports to boats carrying migrants 454074946

Moby Prince, Italy, 1991. 140 dead. The ferry struck a tanker and was sprayed with 30-40 tons of oil. It drifted off and burned for hours after the rescue ...

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:48 pm

Original Quill wrote:It's better than taking a boat outta Italy.

You really think that is funny? Clearly you have a warped morbid sense of humour

Have you said the same to the ancestors in the US with the maritime disaster of the General Slocum, where a thousand people died?

How about the Eastland, which saw over 800 die?

I can provide you with many more disasters that have happened with US ships

by Original Quill Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:54 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:It's better than taking a boat outta Italy.

You really think that is funny? Clearly you have a warped morbid sense of humour

Have you said the same to the ancestors in the US with the maritime disaster of the General Slocum, where a thousand people died?

How about the Eastland, which saw over 800 die?

I can provide you with many more disasters that have happened with US ships

Of course, everybody has a story. But Italy seems to have an inordinate amount of maritime disasters. Wink

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:02 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:

You really think that is funny? Clearly you have a warped morbid sense of humour

Have you said the same to the ancestors in the US with the maritime disaster of the General Slocum, where a thousand people died?

How about the Eastland, which saw over 800 die?

I can provide you with many more disasters that have happened with US ships

Of course, everybody has a story. But Italy seems to have an inordinate amount of maritime disasters.

Which really shows how little you know of your own maritime history

Italian disasters?

7

American?

33

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_maritime_disasters_in_the_20th_century

So based on your reasoning, the US makes Italy look tame compared to the US, correct?

by Original Quill Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:36 pm

Nonsense. Disasters only in the 20th century? If you are going to only one corner of the room, gives us a proportion of ships afloat per nation.

Are you always this intellectually dishonest?

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:45 pm

Original Quill wrote:Nonsense. Disasters only in the 20th century? If you are going to only one corner of the room, gives us a proportion of ships afloat per nation.

Are you always this intellectually dishonest?

How is it nonsense Quill?

What on earth does the proportion of ships have to do with anything?

When you said its better than taking a boat out of Italy, when surely based on your reasoning it would be better than taking a boat out of the USA?

So no problem Quill, happy to make you even more look silly?

Maritime disasters are only properly recorded from the 18th century.

So here you go

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_maritime_disasters#18th_century

None for the US or Italy, though Italy never existed as a nation then

How about the 19th century when it did?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_maritime_disasters_in_the_19th_century

USA

36 disasters

Italy

2

So in two centuries of history, the US has had 69 disasters and Italy 9

Don't you look very silly

by Original Quill Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:14 pm

Thorin wrote:How is it nonsense Quill?

What on earth does the proportion of ships have to do with anything?

When you said its better than taking a boat out of Italy, when surely based on your reasoning it would be better than taking a boat out of the USA?

The point is that Italy has an inordinate number of disasters.

in·or·di·nate
inˈôrd(ə)nət/Submit
adjective
unusually or disproportionately large; excessive.
"a case that had taken up an inordinate amount of time"
synonyms: excessive, undue, unreasonable, unjustifiable, unwarrantable, disproportionate, unwarranted, unnecessary, needless, uncalled for, gratuitous, exorbitant, extreme; More
archaic
(of a person) unrestrained in feelings or behavior; disorderly.

Proportionate means:

proportionate comparative more proportionate, superlative most proportionate

In proportion; proportional; commensurable. [quotations ▼]
Harmonious and symmetrical.

Ergo: Italy has an inordinate number of maritime disasters.

Point, set, match.

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:24 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:How is it nonsense Quill?

What on earth does the proportion of ships have to do with anything?

When you said its better than taking a boat out of Italy, when surely based on your reasoning it would be better than taking a boat out of the USA?

The point is that Italy has an inordinate number of disasters.

in·or·di·nate
inˈôrd(ə)nət/Submit
adjective
unusually or disproportionately large; excessive.
"a case that had taken up an inordinate amount of time"
synonyms: excessive, undue, unreasonable, unjustifiable, unwarrantable, disproportionate, unwarranted, unnecessary, needless, uncalled for, gratuitous, exorbitant, extreme; More
archaic
(of a person) unrestrained in feelings or behavior; disorderly.

Proportionate means:

proportionate comparative more proportionate, superlative most proportionate

In proportion; proportional; commensurable. [quotations ▼]
Harmonious and symmetrical.

Ergo: Italy has an inordinate number of maritime disasters.

Point, set, match.

PMSL as you have failed to show that they have had inordinate number of maritime disasters
I actually had many disasters
Your whole thesis is based on the worse kind of gibberish going.
You just simple state that they have and not base this on any statistical evidence

I actually did and it shows the US is 7 times worse than Italy with such disasters.

You see where your argument fails is you seem to think its based on the number of ships, when never even presenting numbers or factors. Which is still irrelevant. As how can you argue proportion when you have never placed a proportional number of ships to argue off from over 2 centuries Quill?

You never even placed me in check, as you continually play suicide chess.

by Original Quill Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:34 pm

Thorin wrote:PMSL as you have failed to show that they have had inordinate number of maritime disasters
I actually had many disasters
Your whole thesis is based on the worse kind of gibberish going.
You just simple state that they have and not base this on any statistical evidence

I actually did and it shows the US is 7 times worse than Italy with such disasters.

You see where your argument fails is you seem to think its based on the number of ships, when never even presenting numbers or factors. Which is still irrelevant. As how can you argue proportion when you have never placed a proportional number of ships to argue off from over 2 centuries Quill?

You never even placed me in check, as you continually play suicide chess.

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:36 pm

Yes they are two pictures Quill

How about answering my points?

PMSL as you have failed to show that they have had inordinate number of maritime disasters
I actually had many disasters
Your whole thesis is based on the worse kind of gibberish going.
You just simple state that they have and not base this on any statistical evidence

I actually did and it shows the US is 7 times worse than Italy with such disasters.

You see where your argument fails is you seem to think its based on the number of ships, when never even presenting numbers or factors. Which is still irrelevant. As how can you argue proportion when you have never placed a proportional number of ships to argue off from over 2 centuries Quill?

You never even placed me in check, as you continually play suicide chess.

by Original Quill Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:40 pm

Thorin wrote:How about answering my points?

This isn't about you. This is about the inordinate number of maritime disasters from Italy.

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:41 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:How about answering my points?

This isn't about you. This is about the inordinate number of maritime disasters from Italy.

I agree its not about me.
Its about how embarrassing you look when you make daft points as you did here
As Italy has had far less maritime disasters than the US

by Original Quill Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:47 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

This isn't about you. This is about the inordinate number of maritime disasters from Italy.

I agree its not about me.
Its about how embarrassing you look when you make daft points as you did here
As Italy has had far less maritime disasters than the US

It's not about me either.

Proportionately, Italy has more maritime disasters than the US. Than almost anyone, truth be told. The Greeks took all of the sailor out of them. They had pretty good armies, tho.

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:51 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:

I agree its not about me.
Its about how embarrassing you look when you make daft points as you did here
As Italy has had far less maritime disasters than the US

It's not about me either.

Proportionately, Italy has more maritime disasters than the US. Than almost anyone, truth be told. The Greeks took all of the sailor out of them. They had pretty good armies, tho.

You keep claiming this and not ever backing this up with facts Quill.
Italy was not even a nation until the later part of the 19th century, as before this it was divided kingdoms.
So as seen the Us has had 7 times more disasters.
That is a fact, as you have failed even to factor off any proportional stats, by even showing any of them

by Original Quill Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:53 pm

A picture is worth a thousand words.

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:54 pm

Yes that is two ships Quill out of 9 disasters for Italy

America has had 69 in that time

by Original Quill Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:12 pm

Thorin wrote:Yes that is two ships Quill out of 9 disasters for Italy

They look bad, don't they? Someone wasn't plugged in. Maybe this thread should be merged with the dementia thread. Razz

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:13 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:Yes that is two ships Quill out of 9 disasters for Italy

They look bad, don't they? Someone wasn't plugged in. Maybe this thread should be merged with the dementia thread.

So the bases of how bad something is to you, is based on a picture and not fatalities?

Imagine how bad all the US maritime disasters must have looked eh Quill if I just presented a picture of a ship and not countless drowned bodies??

by Original Quill Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:21 pm

A picture tells a thousand words, doesn't it?

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:24 pm

Original Quill wrote:A picture tells a thousand words, doesn't it?

Without all the other pictures of American maritime disasters?

Based on your poor racial claim against Italians?

by Tommy Monk Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:42 pm

I started this thread...

And have come up with the only sensible solution...!

by Tommy Monk Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:18 pm

Only 5 votes so far...

So what do the rest of you think...?

by Tommy Monk Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:01 pm

To either of the two who voted 'no'... can you please explain why my proposal is such a bad idea...?

And tell us all what YOUR solution would be...?

by Tommy Monk Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:32 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:To either of the two who voted 'no'... can you please explain why my proposal is such a bad idea...?

And tell us all what YOUR solution would be...?

Any answers yet...?

by magica Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:59 pm

I personally think Italy has to do something, they can't keep taking in so many people, all African men. Europe has to also stop them. They're letting illegals in and making a fortune for the people sending them over.

Enoughs enough.

by Tommy Monk Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:To either of the two who voted 'no'... can you please explain why my proposal is such a bad idea...?

And tell us all what YOUR solution would be...?

Any answers yet...?

Still waiting...?

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:36 pm

Still no answers...!?

by nicko Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:17 pm

They don't have a solution !

by Original Quill Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:44 pm

Well...apparently, they don't have a problem.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:04 pm

It most certainly is a huge problem... and one that needs action before it becomes an even bigger problem...

What is wrong with returning these people to the African Union to deal with...!?

by Original Quill Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:40 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:It most certainly is a huge problem... and one that needs action before it becomes an even bigger problem...

What is wrong with returning these people to the African Union to deal with...!?

I don't think so. They don't seem to be doing much about it.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:39 pm

https://www.thelocal.it/20170715/quiet-italy-hamlets-struggle-with-migrant-human-warehouses

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/828679/Former-Italian-PM-Matteo-Renzi-berates-EU-migrant-crisis-failings-european-budget

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4699210/Italy-EU-visas-200-000-migrants-send-north.html

EU countries have declined to help Italy by opening their ports to migrants, but aim to expel more people and impose “rules” on NGO rescues.
"We do not support the so-called regionalisation of the rescue operations," German interior minister Thomas de Maiziere said at an informal EU meeting in Estonia on Thursday (6 July).

Stephanus Block, the Dutch security minister, said: “Just opening more ports will not solve the problem”.
Theo Francken, a Belgian state secretary, joked: “I don’t think we’re going to open Belgian ports. No”.

The EU talks took place amid a surge in people coming via Libya to Italy and amid near-record migrant fatality rates in the central Mediterranean.

Italy had called for solidarity, but its interior minister, Marco Minniti, said on Thursday that the ports proposal had met with “difficult opposition”.

Estonia, which holds the EU presidency, did not mention ports in its communique on the meeting.

It said the EU and Libya should do more to stop people from coming. It also said there should be “rapid returns” of economic migrants from Italy and that the EU should be “using all possible levers and incentives” to clinch readmission deals in Africa.

It said NGO rescues should take place “within a set of clear rules” amid warnings on “pull factors” for migrants.

The European Commission on Wednesday proposed to resettle 37,000 refugees from Africa to ease the burden on Italy, but the Estonian statement made little mention of that.

It also made little mention of Commission quotas for relocating 160,000 asylum seekers from Italy and Greece.

“Returns policy is … the key word in the migration crisis. If we can send people back this will be the first and most important preventative measure, so that they understand there is no reason to come here,” Estonian interior minister, Anders Anvelt, said.

https://euobserver.com/migration/138455

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Is it time to start shipping these Africans straight back to somewhere on the African coast for the African Union to take them back and deal with them?