Sex dolls sold in the image of children as young as four years old..

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How depraved can people be? I didn't even know items like this were made and sold.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4633322/Man-smuggled-paedophile-sex-doll-jailed.html




"A nuclear energy expert was behind bars in disgrace on Friday after he was caught smuggling a child-like 'paedophile' sex doll into the UK in the first case of its kind in Britain.
Father-of-one Andrew Dobson, 49, from Cheshire, used eBay to buy the £150 silicon doll - which resembled a girl as young as four - from a sex toy firm based in Hong Kong.
The sick item came with a negligee, face mask, blindfold, gloves and an even a 'cavity warmer' to give it a more 'life-like feel.'
But the package was intercepted by Border Force officials as it arrived at East Midlands Airport in Leicestershire.
Police later raided Dobson's £300,000 property in the village of Wistaston near Crewe, Cheshire and found 26 pornographic images and videos on his computer of children being abused.
One 12 minute clip showed a girl of six being raped by a man wearing a clown mask. He later admitted buying the child-like doll to use for sex.
At Chester Crown Court, Dobson, who works as a consultant on nuclear propulsion admitted importation of an obscene item and further charges of making and possessing indecent images and was jailed for two years and eight months.
Judge Simon Berkson told him: 'I had the doll shown to me and it is disgusting to think that this type of item exists and can be bought and imported all over the world."

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Straw man again. I was talking about what the fire officers know. Now I'm sick of you baiting, spamming, trying to goad people, and generally being a moron. Hopefully, a mod will spot what you're doing and put a stop to it.

Now get off your arse and do something useful. You don't work, you do nothing except sit on here and spam the place with shite.

1) You do not know what a strawman argument is

2) You were exposed as lying about Fire training, as you did not know fires could reignite, hence why you are upset

3) If you think I have broken the rules (which I have not) then report me

Yes I do. You were arguing against something I never said. I wasn't lying at all. I take health and safety at work seriously - I have to. You don't work so you wouldn't know about any of it. I didn't say I didn't know fires could reignite - I said that fire officers would know and would check before they left. Hence you used a strawman argument and abused me before I retaliated.

I think you must have been on the booze all weekend - you're out of control again. Get some help.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:

1) You do not know what a strawman argument is

2) You were exposed as lying about Fire training, as you did not know fires could reignite, hence why you are upset

3) If you think I have broken the rules (which I have not) then report me

Yes I do. You were arguing against something I never said. I wasn't lying at all. I take health and safety at work seriously - I have to. You don't work so you wouldn't know about any of it. I didn't say I didn't know fires could reignite - I said that fire officers would know and would check before they left. Hence you used a strawman argument and abused me before I retaliated.

I think you must have been on the booze all weekend - you're out of control again. Get some help.

So I see you are still telly porkies and you did not know fires could reignite.
Its written on the other thread.
So no strawman argument
Its not my fault that you are clueless on basic fire training.
My suggesting is you actually take a course and on that I wish you luck

So as you seem upset, I shall leave you to sulk until, you calm down

Enjoy

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes I do. You were arguing against something I never said. I wasn't lying at all. I take health and safety at work seriously - I have to. You don't work so you wouldn't know about any of it. I didn't say I didn't know fires could reignite - I said that fire officers would know and would check before they left. Hence you used a strawman argument and abused me before I retaliated.

I think you must have been on the booze all weekend - you're out of control again. Get some help.

So I see you are still telly porkies and you did not know fires could reignite.
Its written on the other thread.
So no strawman argument
Its not my fault that you are clueless on basic fire training.
My suggesting is you actually take a course and on that I wish you luck

So as you seem upset, I shall leave you to sulk until, you calm down

Enjoy

You're such a sad old drunk that all you have to do is pester people on the internet. My suggestion is that you get a job and stop pretending you already have one.

Thor...you were a total pain in the arse yesterday on the other thread, why come into this one carrying on your little imaginary grudges against people?

Think on this...this thread is about paedophiles, the other thread is about the people who burned to death in one of the worst tragedies this country has known in recent history. We have 22 people dead in the Manchester bombing, several vicious attacks in London, so much pain around and so much hate around...and thats just in this country.

People are troubled enough in real life without having to wade through your insults and constant goading ...maybe they come on line to try to forget the angst for a while.
Chill out for Gods sake.

Syl wrote:Thor...you were a total pain in the arse yesterday on the other thread, why come into this one carrying on your little imaginary grudges against people?

Think on this...this thread is about paedophiles, the other thread is about the people who burned to death in one of the worst tragedies this country has known in recent history. We have 22 people dead in the Manchester bombing, several vicious attacks in London, so much pain around and so much hate around...and thats just in this country.

People are troubled enough in real life without having to wade through your insults and constant goading ...maybe they come on line to try to forget the angst for a while.
Chill out for Gods sake.

 3 people were involved in this and you only speak to me

wow

Love the double standard ignoring the abuse from he others

You and Rags and magica are nothing more than a poor girlie gang , but that is okay when you gang up and insult others.

So why are you now as a fourth person fueling this when this had been finished earlier?

You have now just stirred it up again and all because I took you task. That is pathetic

Now I have said my peace, but please continue to show what a hypocrite you are

Thorin wrote:

Syl wrote:Thor...you were a total pain in the arse yesterday on the other thread, why come into this one carrying on your little imaginary grudges against people?

Think on this...this thread is about paedophiles, the other thread is about the people who burned to death in one of the worst tragedies this country has known in recent history. We have 22 people dead in the Manchester bombing, several vicious attacks in London, so much pain around and so much hate around...and thats just in this country.

People are troubled enough in real life without having to wade through your insults and constant goading ...maybe they come on line to try to forget the angst for a while.
Chill out for Gods sake.

 3 people were involved in this and you only speak to me

wow

Love the double standard ignoring the abuse from he others

You and Rags and magica are nothing more than a poor girlie gang , but that is okay when insult others

So why are you now as a fourth person fueling this when this had been finished earlier?

You have no just stirred it up again and all because I took you task

Now I have said my peace, but please continue to show what a hypocrite you are

You started on me in this thread, and you also accused me of conspiring with Quill, which was a lie. Then you accused me of lying. You started the trouble in the first place, so quit your whining.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


 3 people were involved in this and you only speak to me

wow

Love the double standard ignoring the abuse from he others

You and Rags and magica are nothing more than a poor girlie gang , but that is okay when insult others

So why are you now as a fourth person fueling this when this had been finished earlier?

You have no just stirred it up again and all because I took you task

Now I have said my peace, but please continue to show what a hypocrite you are

You started on me in this thread, and you also accused me of conspiring with Quill, which was a lie. Then you accused me of lying. You started the trouble in the first place, so quit your whining.

No you started the rudeness/abuse and you both called for me to be placed in the basement which is against the rules

See what you have done now Syl?

Hope you are happy, stirring up again

Anyway I not going to get dragged into a deliberate attempt of disruption by you and rags, so feel free to both bitch about me, is what you both do best.,

Enjoy

Thorin wrote:

Syl wrote:Thor...you were a total pain in the arse yesterday on the other thread, why come into this one carrying on your little imaginary grudges against people?

Think on this...this thread is about paedophiles, the other thread is about the people who burned to death in one of the worst tragedies this country has known in recent history. We have 22 people dead in the Manchester bombing, several vicious attacks in London, so much pain around and so much hate around...and thats just in this country.

People are troubled enough in real life without having to wade through your insults and constant goading ...maybe they come on line to try to forget the angst for a while.
Chill out for Gods sake.

 3 people were involved in this and you only speak to me

wow

Love the double standard ignoring the abuse from he others

You and Rags and magica are nothing more than a poor girlie gang , but that is okay when you gang up and insult others.

So why are you now as a fourth person fueling this when this had been finished earlier?

You have now just stirred it up again and all because I took you task. That is pathetic

Now I have said my peace, but please continue to show what a hypocrite you are

How have I stirred it up again when the row has already been dragged over into this thread?

No one is in  a gang....the truth is you insulted us ALL yesterday, if each one answers you back that does not a gang make...what it makes is three (at least) people utterly pissed off with your tirades.

You repeatedly called me a "fucking idiot" and a "twat"....then had the nerve to say you never insult me and we will always be friends and respectful of one another.

Have a reality check with yourself.

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

As far as demand and supply is concerned, yes.  Just like people who buy fur and ivory.     The difference being here that children are being harmed and destroyed by men like this.    Why anyone in their right mind would want to watch a little girl being raped by a man is beyond me.   The world is a horrible place sometimes, and making excuses for this kind of perversion by trying to rationalise it doesn't help those poor exploited kids.

Fair enough, but I still think that any prison sentence should be much longer for those who actually abuse the children. Anyone who buys real fur should be ostracised IMO. I also think that Illegal-drug users should be prosecuted more than they are.

Which has been an ineffective policy. 
Drugs should be decriminalized and my book made legal. As its up to people what they do with their bodies.
Its daft to punish people for recreational drug use.
By making it legal you would make the drugs more safe, damage the criminal industry and take away much of the crime element involved in this

Sex offenders are abusing children and should thus face real life sentences, as they scar people for life.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You started on me in this thread, and you also accused me of conspiring with Quill, which was a lie. Then you accused me of lying. You started the trouble in the first place, so quit your whining.

No you started the rudeness/abuse and you both called for me to be placed in the basement which is against the rules

See what you have done now Syl?

Hope you are happy, stirring up again

Anyway I not going to get dragged into a deliberate attempt of disruption by you and rags, so feel free to both bitch about me, is what you both do best.,

Enjoy

I didn't say that on this thread. I said I was tired of your spamming, and you were arguing with Quill. You started it all up again by quoting what I'd said on another thread. You're shit-stirring all over the place at the moment.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Fair enough, but I still think that any prison sentence should be much longer for those who actually abuse the children. Anyone who buys real fur should be ostracised IMO. I also think that Illegal-drug users should be prosecuted more than they are.

Which has been an ineffective policy. 
Drugs should be decriminalized and my book made legal. As its up to people what they do with their bodies.
Its daft to punish people for recreational drug use.
By making it legal you would make the drugs more safe, damage the criminal industry and take away much of the crime element involved in this

Sex offenders are abusing children and should thus face real life sentences, as they scar people for life.

I'm not interested in your stupid opinion.

magica wrote:There also segregated together so they can get off on each others crimes.

I detest paedophiles wish  they could be behind bars forever. They come out and do it again. Once a paedophile always one.

I completely agree and that when it is a life sentence, then it should mean life.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Does that make people who take illegal drugs as culpable as the dealers then?

As far as demand and supply is concerned, yes.  Just like people who buy fur and ivory.     The difference being here that children are being harmed and destroyed by men like this.    Why anyone in their right mind would want to watch a little girl being raped by a man is beyond me.   The world is a horrible place sometimes, and making excuses for this kind of perversion by trying to rationalise it doesn't help those poor exploited kids.

It kind of makes you wonder who came up with the idea to exploit and make money out of making these dolls?

According to this chart the pervert in the OP could have been given a 10 year sentence instead of the incredibly lenient one he was given.

Sadly, it seems in this country judges often give stiffer sentences to thieves than child sex offenders.

https://theukdatabase.com/uk-child-abusers-named-and-shamed/facts-and-stats-on-child-abuse/sentences-explained-for-sexual-crimes/

Thorin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

As far as demand and supply is concerned, yes.  Just like people who buy fur and ivory.     The difference being here that children are being harmed and destroyed by men like this.    Why anyone in their right mind would want to watch a little girl being raped by a man is beyond me.   The world is a horrible place sometimes, and making excuses for this kind of perversion by trying to rationalise it doesn't help those poor exploited kids.

It kind of makes you wonder who came up with the idea to exploit and make money out of making these dolls?

There is a link posted on this thread where the artist of the dolls is interviewed.

The last paragraph is what I expected the excuse to be.

"Last year authorities in Australia seized 18 shipments of child-sized sex dolls. A Japanese firm which produces more than 100 different types of child sex dolls claim they can be used to 'help paedophiles control their sexual urges' and therefore prevent crime."

But let's be honest. That's bullshit. Rather than preventing crime, the dolls will be used to advance their fantasises and may act as a gateway instead.

This Harvard study claims paedophilia is a sexual orientation:

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/pessimism-about-pedophilia

So their propensity or disposition to have sex with children cannot change. But there is no excuse not being able to control an action. So abstinence and celibacy is the only option. Which further means, no access to anything that allows them to fantasise about having sex with children.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

This is the important part.  Syl, can you provide us with a link to the experts to which this refers?  If the discussion turns upon a causal connection to an actual crime, the thesis becomes more meaningful.

Note that this is stated in the negative, however: "no evidence to support claims".  To be meaningful, this would require a positive causal connection.

What?   You have to wait until he progresses from doll to real child before anyone puts a stop to it?   The problem with porn, particularly extreme stuff, is that eventually, like with violence and sadism, these pervs get immured and jaded over time and then need more and more stimulation by whatever means.    I don't think most normal people find it acceptable that men fuck dolls that look like babies whether 'statistics' show it's harmless or not.   It's wrong.   It's unnatural.  It's damaging.

Let's be honest and say where you are really coming from, HT.  The problem with porn is that it is an illness, and all you RW'ers can see is the cost of treatment.  Just as with blacks, and perhaps homosexuals, you would rather not deal with it...you just want them to go away, die or be used to make soyient green.

So, you institutionalize the problem.  Put everyone in prison in far off places, so we won't have to think about it.  But...then, inevitably, we hear someone like tommy (wasn't it tommy?) who cries about the high cost of incarceration.  It's unfair we should have to pay...  Wasn't it the Nazis who agreed it was better to kill everyone, but then they got into a debate about the high cost of bullets?

If institutionalization is the answer for all problems, why not politicize it?  We did it with the Japanese in 1942.  Conservatives and Republicans cause most of the misery in the world, so let's put all of them in...um, let's call them 'work camps' because they are always saying hard work and dedication got me where I am today...  

Original Quill wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

What?   You have to wait until he progresses from doll to real child before anyone puts a stop to it?   The problem with porn, particularly extreme stuff, is that eventually, like with violence and sadism, these pervs get immured and jaded over time and then need more and more stimulation by whatever means.    I don't think most normal people find it acceptable that men fuck dolls that look like babies whether 'statistics' show it's harmless or not.   It's wrong.   It's unnatural.  It's damaging.

Let's be honest and say where you are really coming from, HT.  The problem with porn is that it is an illness, and all you RW'ers can see is the cost of treatment.  Just as with blacks, and perhaps homosexuals, you would rather not deal with it...you just want them to go away, die or be used to make soyient green.

So, you institutionalize the problem.  Put everyone in prison in far off places, so we won't have to think about it.  But...then, inevitably, we hear someone like tommy (wasn't it tommy?) who cries about the high cost of incarceration.  It's unfair we should have to pay...  Wasn't it the Nazis who agreed it was better to kill everyone, but then they got into a debate about the high cost of bullets?

If institutionalization is the answer for all problems, why not politicize it?  We did it with the Japanese in 1942.  Conservatives and Republicans cause most of the misery in the world, so let's put all of them in...um, let's call them 'work camps' because they are always saying hard work and dedication got me where I am today...  

Its not porn we are talking about though...its child porn, which is illegal to download, share, watch or use for 'entertainment' purposes

Honestly Quill, your comparing paedophiles with other groups of people, so far Jews, now blacks and homosexuals, makes zero sense.

Its not illegal to be Jewish, black or homosexual, its not illegal to be a paedophile ...it is illegal to be a paedophile who acts on it.

Just as a matter of interest, how would you deal with a paedophile who is harming children, either physically or by watching videos of 6 year olds being violently raped?

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Let's be honest and say where you are really coming from, HT.  The problem with porn is that it is an illness, and all you RW'ers can see is the cost of treatment.  Just as with blacks, and perhaps homosexuals, you would rather not deal with it...you just want them to go away, die or be used to make soyient green.

So, you institutionalize the problem.  Put everyone in prison in far off places, so we won't have to think about it.  But...then, inevitably, we hear someone like tommy (wasn't it tommy?) who cries about the high cost of incarceration.  It's unfair we should have to pay...  Wasn't it the Nazis who agreed it was better to kill everyone, but then they got into a debate about the high cost of bullets?

If institutionalization is the answer for all problems, why not politicize it?  We did it with the Japanese in 1942.  Conservatives and Republicans cause most of the misery in the world, so let's put all of them in...um, let's call them 'work camps' because they are always saying hard work and dedication got me where I am today...  

Its not porn we are talking about though...its child porn, which is illegal to download, share,  watch or use for 'entertainment' purposes

Honestly Quill, your comparing paedophiles with other groups of people, so far Jews, now blacks and homosexuals, makes zero sense.

Its not illegal to be Jewish, black or homosexual, its not illegal to be a paedophile ...it is illegal to be a paedophile who acts on it.

Just as a matter of interest, how would you deal with a paedophile who is harming children, either physically or by watching videos of 6 year olds being violently raped?

Illegality is a man-made status, or didn't you realize?  The day is long-gone when we thought laws came directly from god.  So it's your choice, Syl.  You choose to make it an institutional matter, or treat is as an illness.

Let me turn the tables on your reasoning: black skin, homosexuality or someone else being born into a Jewish family are all characteristics not of one's choosing.  That's why it's a good model for measuring public attitudes...and the standard public attitude stinks.

Racism, homophobia and antisemitism are all forms of bigotry, precisely because they beat up on someone for something not of their choosing.  Certain elements think you can beat the black or homosexual into being something else...you can't, and fault is not an appropriate answer for those kinds of questions.

Institutionalization is 'beating up' on someone.  Beating up on the mentally ill is very much like beating up on homosexuals or blacks or Jews.  They had no choice in the way their were born.  It's arbitrary and unfair.  Likewise, beating up on the mentally ill is arbitrary and unfair.  Mental illness may not be something you are born with (who knows), but like Judaism, it happens to one beyond his or her control.

Next time you think about beating up on the mentally ill, think of punching this little girl in the face.  



It's therapueutic ...it's akin to what you are doing.

What's all that got to do with Paedophiles?

magica wrote:What's all that got to do with Paedophiles?

Absolutely bloody nothing.

magica wrote:What's all that got to do with Paedophiles?

At least you are able to ask the right question, magica. Paedophilia is a mental derangement, just like the girl in the picture ^, save that it is a different disease.

"Good" and "evil" are handy concepts because they help us avoid our responsibility. Mental derangement, or illness, is all over our criminal justice system, but it's just soooo much easier to say...he's a bad guy, lock him up! What you are seeing in this thread is the institutional response that creates this situation...fook 'em, lock 'em up.

Syl wrote:

magica wrote:What's all that got to do with Paedophiles?

Absolutely bloody nothing.

Typical RW cretin answer. Fook 'em, lock 'em up!

Quill, seriously, I have no comprehension of why you cannot see that harming children in a sexual way is comparable to any of the waffle you have so far offered.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

Absolutely bloody nothing.

Typical RW cretin answer.  Fook 'em, lock 'em up!

Locking them up is a temporary solution.

Original Quill wrote:

magica wrote:What's all that got to do with Paedophiles?

At least you are able to ask the right question, magica.  Paedophilia is a mental derangement, just like the girl in the picture ^, save that it is a different disease.

"Good" and "evil" are handy concepts because they help us avoid our responsibility.  Mental derangement, or illness, is all over our criminal justice system, but it's just soooo much easier to say...he's a bad guy, lock him up!  What you are seeing in this thread is the institutional response that creates this situation...fook 'em, lock 'em up.

What solution do you have?
Some paedophiles want to be helped....give them all help available, even if that help means administering drugs to suppress sexual feelings and appetite.
What of the ones who think how they are is natural and normal (and it is for them) and refuse help because they don't need it?

Syl wrote:Quill, seriously, I have no comprehension of why you cannot see that harming children in a sexual way is comparable to any of the waffle you have so far offered.  

Earthquakes harm children...so do hurricanes and tornadoes. We don't go out in the fields and curse them. We understand them, and create the conditions where they don't hurt children, adults or the other beings.

There's a smart way to handle things, and a stupid way. There's a whole crowd of cretins out there--just look at all their choices, they're idiots--and this is yet another manifestation of their existence. Nixon used to call them the 'silent majority'. Trump calls them his kind of people, and promises to pay their legal bills. But in the end, they are just the ignorant of the world. Condemn and start wars...fook trying to understand anything.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

Absolutely bloody nothing.

Typical RW cretin answer.  Fook 'em, lock 'em up!

And please don't go down the Thor route of insulting just because you have tied yourself up in knots...or you will be on ignore as well.
Thanks.

Syl wrote:What solution do you have?

Study the problem and treat the affliction. My god, look at the advances the world has made in medicine.

To look at someone with leprosy and say, ewww...lock 'em up, is downright primative.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Typical RW cretin answer.  Fook 'em, lock 'em up!

And please don't go down the Thor route of insulting just because you have tied yourself up in knots...or you will be on ignore as well.
Thanks.  

But seriously...I'm trying to make a valid point. The ignorance that elected Donald Trump is the same sort of ignorance you are seeing on this thread. I don't understand...let's stone them to death!

I haven't a clue what you are on about Quill.

There is no cure for Paedos and I would rather lock them up away from children than see them out there, ready to pounce on their next victim.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Typical RW cretin answer.  Fook 'em, lock 'em up!

And please don't go down the Thor route of insulting just because you have tied yourself up in knots...or you will be on ignore as well.
Thanks.  

 
Stirring again, you just cannot help yourself can you?

I am beginning to see what Wolf means now about you

Stick to the points and stop deliberately stirring

By the way its not abuse when they are factual

magica wrote:I haven't a clue what you are on about Quill.

I know you don't. A state of ignorance is more comfortable. That's why I'm given to drawing up shocking metaphors and images. If I analogize to situations you will understand, just maybe you will see the problem in a different light.

Of course, there are those who don't want to understand. They are perfectly content with throwing stones. But someone is always there to say...Oh yeah, I see now.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:What solution do you have?

Study the problem and treat the affliction.  My god, look at the advances the world has made in medicine.

To look at someone with leprosy and say, ewww...lock 'em up, is downright primative.

Treat the affliction...well that's a start.

People tried to treat the 'affliction' of homosexuality in the past, electric shock treatment, intense therapy, even internment....obviously it didn't work because homosexuality, just like heterosexuality is normal and right.

Paedophilia is a sexual orientation that is inherent in a person.....how would you treat that?

Thorin wrote:

Syl wrote:

And please don't go down the Thor route of insulting just because you have tied yourself up in knots...or you will be on ignore as well.
Thanks.  

 
Stirring again, you just cannot help yourself can you?

I am beginning to see what Wolf means now about you

Stick to the points and stop deliberately stirring

By the way its not abuse when they are factual

"Of course, there are those who don't want to understand. They are perfectly content with throwing stones."

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:
 
Stirring again, you just cannot help yourself can you?

I am beginning to see what Wolf means now about you

Stick to the points and stop deliberately stirring

By the way its not abuse when they are factual

"Of course, there are those who don't want to understand. They are perfectly content with throwing stones."

I have been trying to understand what you mean in this thread since yesterday....so that comment is invalid.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:
 
Stirring again, you just cannot help yourself can you?

I am beginning to see what Wolf means now about you

Stick to the points and stop deliberately stirring

By the way its not abuse when they are factual

"Of course, there are those who don't want to understand. They are perfectly content with throwing stones."

This will make you laugh based on that, as a bit of light humour   

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Study the problem and treat the affliction.  My god, look at the advances the world has made in medicine.

To look at someone with leprosy and say, ewww...lock 'em up, is downright primative.

Treat the affliction...well that's a start.

People tried to treat the 'affliction' of homosexuality in the past, electric shock treatment, intense therapy, even internment....obviously it didn't work because homosexuality, just like heterosexuality is normal and right.

Paedophilia is a sexual orientation that is inherent in a person.....how would you treat that?

Study and advancement of science.  We finally understood homosexuality is normal, because we took a deeper, more intensive look at it.  We make no progress by the kinds to things we are hearing on this thread: Lock 'em up and throw stones at them!

We don't know what paedophilia is, and that's because we shy away from taking a closer look lest the virtue police write laws that institutionalize talking about it.  Just like they did a decade ago with homosexuals.  My god, where would women's health and cancer be today if we said, it's evil, lock 'em up!

magica wrote:I haven't a clue what you are on about Quill.  

There is no cure for Paedos and I would rather lock them up away from children than see them out there, ready to pounce on their next victim.

How do you know there is no cure?

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

Treat the affliction...well that's a start.

People tried to treat the 'affliction' of homosexuality in the past, electric shock treatment, intense therapy, even internment....obviously it didn't work because homosexuality, just like heterosexuality is normal and right.

Paedophilia is a sexual orientation that is inherent in a person.....how would you treat that?

Study and advancement of science.  We finally understood homosexuality is normal, because we took a deeper, more intensive look at it.  We make no progress by the kinds to things we are hearing on this thread: Lock 'em up and throw stones at them!

We don't know what paedophilia is, and that's because we shy away from taking a closer look lest the virtue police write laws that institutionalize talking about it.  Just like they did a decade ago with homosexuals.  My god, where would women's health and cancer be today if we said, it's evil, lock 'em up!

The difference is Quill, homosexuality doesn't hurt people. Once we believed it was wrong...now we realise its a normal state that some people are born with, like brown hair or height...its just part of that person.

Cancer is a disease....totally different.

So....paedophilia is also a normal state that some people are born with....you cant NOT be gay if you are straight, you cant NOT be a paedophile if that's the way you are wired....it can be supressed if the person is willing, just as anyones sexual desire can with the right drugs.

But........what if the paedophile doesn't think he is dong anything wrong?

eddie wrote:

magica wrote:I haven't a clue what you are on about Quill.  

There is no cure for Paedos and I would rather lock them up away from children than see them out there, ready to pounce on their next victim.

How do you know there is no cure?  

It has been said by peaodos themselves. They can't cure the wanting of children.

Thorin wrote:

Syl wrote:

And please don't go down the Thor route of insulting just because you have tied yourself up in knots...or you will be on ignore as well.
Thanks.  

 
Stirring again, you just cannot help yourself can you?

I am beginning to see what Wolf means now about you

Stick to the points and stop deliberately stirring

By the way its not abuse when they are factual

Jumping on the bandwagon. Thought you said you were Syls friend, some friend.

magica wrote:

Thorin wrote:
 
Stirring again, you just cannot help yourself can you?

I am beginning to see what Wolf means now about you

Stick to the points and stop deliberately stirring

By the way its not abuse when they are factual

Jumping on the bandwagon. Thought you said you were Syls friend, some friend.

Ah part of the girlie gang jumps into defend Syl from stirring

She bangs on constantly about wolf dragging her name onto posts, when she is guilty of doing the same

That is called hypocrisy

Now please stick to the topic and stop stirring

Thank you

Thorin wrote:

magica wrote:

Jumping on the bandwagon. Thought you said you were Syls friend, some friend.

Ah part of the girlie gang jumps into defend Syl from stirring

She bangs on constantly about wolf dragging her name onto threads, when she is guilty of doing the same

That is called hypocrisy

Now please stick to the topic and stop stirring

Thank you

No!

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Study and advancement of science.  We finally understood homosexuality is normal, because we took a deeper, more intensive look at it.  We make no progress by the kinds to things we are hearing on this thread: Lock 'em up and throw stones at them!

We don't know what paedophilia is, and that's because we shy away from taking a closer look lest the virtue police write laws that institutionalize talking about it.  Just like they did a decade ago with homosexuals.  My god, where would women's health and cancer be today if we said, it's evil, lock 'em up!

The difference is Quill, homosexuality doesn't hurt people. Once we believed it was wrong...now we realise its a normal state that some people are born with, like brown hair or height...its just part of that person.

Cancer is a disease....totally different.

So....paedophilia is also a normal state that some people are born with....you cant NOT be gay if you are straight, you cant NOT be a paedophile if that's the way you are wired....it can be supressed if the person is willing, just as anyones sexual desire can with the right drugs.

But........what if the paedophile doesn't think he is dong anything wrong?

Bumped to get the thread back on track

Original Quill wrote:

magica wrote:What's all that got to do with Paedophiles?

At least you are able to ask the right question, magica.  Paedophilia is a mental derangement, just like the girl in the picture ^, save that it is a different disease.

"Good" and "evil" are handy concepts because they help us avoid our responsibility.  Mental derangement, or illness, is all over our criminal justice system, but it's just soooo much easier to say...he's a bad guy, lock him up!  What you are seeing in this thread is the institutional response that creates this situation...fook 'em, lock 'em up.

You are comparing men who are sexually attracted to children to a Down's child? Seriously?

You don't sound too dissimilar to Ian Brady. He believed good and evil didn't really exist. That it was ok to do as he damned well pleased when it came to raping and murdering kids.

Most men are attracted to women, and vice versa, but you don't see them going around raping each other. There is no excuse for raping anyone, let alone kids, and if you can't control yourself you deserve to be locked up.

Thorin wrote:

magica wrote:

Jumping on the bandwagon. Thought you said you were Syls friend, some friend.

Ah part of the girlie gang jumps into defend Syl from stirring

She bangs on constantly about wolf dragging her name onto posts, when she is guilty of doing the same

That is called hypocrisy

Now please stick to the topic and stop stirring

Thank you

Wolfie does drag her name into threads, and mine. He started that with me the minute I started posting here. He's a troll, and not a very good one either.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Ah part of the girlie gang jumps into defend Syl from stirring

She bangs on constantly about wolf dragging her name onto posts, when she is guilty of doing the same

That is called hypocrisy

Now please stick to the topic and stop stirring

Thank you

Wolfie does drag her name into threads, and mine.   He started that with me the minute I started posting here.   He's a troll, and not a very good one either.

Is she not then being a hypocrite here?

He is actually very intelligent

I have also defended you both when he does

So again Syl is deliberately stirring here

Thorin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Wolfie does drag her name into threads, and mine.   He started that with me the minute I started posting here.   He's a troll, and not a very good one either.

Is she not then being a hypocrite here?

He is actually very intelligent

I have also defended you both when he does

So again Syl is deliberately stirring here

He's always being nasty and personal on here. It's a nice change when he doesn't, and decides to post pleasantly. But he was particularly horrible to me when I joined here and I've lost count of the times he's called me a homophobic racist. And Syl doesn't stir. She speaks her mind and doesn't take sides. I've known her a long time, and she's nothing but level headed and fair. But she doesn't take shit and neither does Ragga. And neither to do I. If certain 'men' on here find that hard to deal with that's their problem.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Is she not then being a hypocrite here?

He is actually very intelligent

I have also defended you both when he does

So again Syl is deliberately stirring here

He's always being nasty and personal on here.    It's a nice change when he doesn't, and decides to post pleasantly.  But he was particularly horrible to me when I joined here and I've lost count of the times he's called me a homophobic racist.   And Syl doesn't stir.   She speaks her mind and doesn't take sides.   I've known her a long time, and she's nothing but level headed and fair.   But she doesn't take shit and neither does Ragga.   And neither to do I.  If certain 'men' on here find that hard to deal with that's their problem.

She does stir and I have seen her do it many times. I was not involved in her discussion with Quill this evening and she deliberately made a dig about me. That is stirring and she often constantly slags off wolf also. So she is as bad when she does. She often takes sides and have seen her do so. So if she does not like him doing what he does, then that does make it right when she does. Wolf is way more intelligent than her also. I have no problem what she does, but I will expose her hypocrisy and the fact she can be quite nasty herself