Asian sex gang of 20 men whose trial led to Tommy Robinson's arrest are jailed for more than 200 years for drugging and raping vulnerable girls as young as ELEVEN in seven-year reign of terror

Lord Foul wrote:what a crock of shite...200 years my foot, even allowing the worst  one gets 18 years minimum the rest?  less than 10 years each of which most will serve only 5

Tommy Monk wrote:They should all be executed!

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:They should all be executed!

  Or appointed to the Supreme Court.  

Didge wrote:Still casting guilt based on a claim, where nobody corroborated the story?

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:Still casting guilt based on a claim, where nobody corroborated the story?

I believe the accuser.  She doesn't need corroboration, when her testimony was under oath, and he was lying about it.  But hey, Republicans have got a racketeer mobster who's a pussy-grabber in the White House, several pǽdophiles in Congress, so why not an alcoholic rapist on the Court?

Tommy Monk wrote:Amere Singh Dhaliwal, nicknamed 'Pretos', 35 - jailed for life, minimum of 18 years

- Irfan Ahmed, nicknamed 'Finny', 34 - jailed for eight years

- Zahid Hassan, nicknamed 'Little Manny', 29 - jailed for 18 years

- Mohammed Kammer, nicknamed 'Kammy', 34 - jailed for 16 years

- Mohammed Rizwan Aslam, nicknamed 'Big Riz', 31 - jailed for 15 years

- Abdul Rehman, nicknamed 'Beastie', 31- jailed for 16 years 

- Raj Singh Barsran, nicknamed 'Raj', 34 - jailed for 17 years

- Nahman Mohammed, nicknamed 'Dracula' 32 - jailed for 15 years 

- Mansoor Akhtar, nicknamed 'Boy', 27 - jailed for eight years

- Wiqas Mahmud, nicknamed 'Vic', 38 - jailed for 15 years 

- Nasarat Hussain, nicknamed 'Nurse', 30 - jailed for 17 years

-  Sajid Hussain, nicknamed 'Fish' 33 - jailed for 17 years

- Mohammed Irfraz, nicknamed 'Faj' 30 - jailed for six years

- Faisal Nadeem, nicknamed 'Chiller' 32 - jailed for 12 years

- Mohammed Azeem, nicknamed 'Mosabella', 33 - jailed for 18 years

- Manzoor Hassan, nicknamed 'Big Manny' 38 - jailed for five years

- Niaz Ahmed, 54, nicknamed 'Shaq' - to be sentenced on November 1

- Mohammed Imran Ibrar, nicknamed 'Bully', 34 - to be sentenced on November 1

- Asif Bashir, nicknamed 'Junior', 33 - sentenced November 1

- Mohammed Akram, nicknamed 'Kid' 33 - to be sentenced on November 1




I see they are almost exclusively Pakistani moslims again... the main one is said to be Sikh, but says in article that he only converted to being Sikh 5 years ago... so what's the betting that he is really just another Pakistani moslim...?

Syl wrote:Every few months another pack of Pakistani Muslim men are charged with raping and grooming underage white girls....there is a list on this forum of the towns and cities these gangs have been operating in, many for decades, without police and authorities doing anything about them until relatively recently.

Even now the number of men charged and jailed are a tiny amount in comparison to the thousands who have used these girls young kids and passed them round to their friends and families.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:Every few months another pack of Pakistani Muslim men are charged with raping and grooming underage white girls....there is a list on this forum of the towns and cities these gangs have been operating in, many for decades, without police and authorities doing anything about them until relatively recently.

Even now the number of men charged and jailed are a tiny amount in comparison to the thousands  who have used these girls young kids and passed them round to their friends and families.

As didge would say, Fine men, who are having their lives, families and careers ruined by these uncorroborated accusations!

Didge wrote:They have been convicted through legal procedures.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:They have been convicted through legal procedures.

They have not been convicted.  As Syl underscores, they "are charged with raping and grooming underage white girls...." just like Mr. Kavanaugh, "without police and authorities doing anything about them."

Y'all have been ruining the reputations of some fine men.

Didge wrote:They have been convicted and many of them have been sentenced. All based on corroborating evidence

Original Quill wrote:They have not been convicted. As Syl underscores, they "are charged with raping and grooming underage white girls...." just like Mr. Kavanaugh, "without police and authorities doing anything about them."

Y'all have been ruining the reputations of some fine men.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:They have been convicted and many of them have been sentenced. All based on corroborating evidence

If you repeat the misrepresentation, all I can do is repeat the answer:

Original Quill wrote:They have not been convicted.  As Syl underscores, they "are charged with raping and grooming underage white girls...." just like Mr. Kavanaugh, "without police and authorities doing anything about them."

Y'all have been ruining the reputations of some fine men.

Perhaps you have another ax to grind with them?

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:Every few months another pack of Pakistani Muslim men are charged with raping and grooming underage white girls....there is a list on this forum of the towns and cities these gangs have been operating in, many for decades, without police and authorities doing anything about them until relatively recently.

Even now the number of men charged and jailed are a tiny amount in comparison to the thousands  who have used these girls young kids and passed them round to their friends and families.

As didge would say, Fine men, who are having their lives, families and careers ruined by these uncorroborated accusations!

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

As didge would say, Fine men, who are having their lives, families and careers ruined by these uncorroborated accusations!

I doubt Didge would say any such thing.
The men have been charged, stood trial and jailed....the only ones who have been charged and not imprisoned are the ones where the cases were dropped by the police or the CPS because the girls were not believed or judged to be unreliable witnesses.....turns out the girls were very believable, and a blind eye was being turned because of fears that police and authorities would be seen as racist.
The irony is these crimes are racist....and people in authority are now standing up and saying so.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

I doubt Didge would say any such thing.
The men have been charged, stood trial and jailed....the only ones who have been charged and not imprisoned are the ones where the cases were dropped by the police or the CPS because the girls were not believed or judged to be unreliable witnesses.....turns out the girls were very believable, and a blind eye was being turned because of fears that police and authorities would be seen as racist.
The irony is these crimes are racist....and people in authority are now standing up and saying so.

Thank you Syl

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:


Thank you Syl

You are welcome.
Quill is comparing apples with ...errr...bananas.  

I know your opinion on these gangs, and there is absolutely no resemblance to the case Quill is referring to.

Syl wrote:Every few months another pack of Pakistani Muslim men are charged with raping and grooming underage white girls....there is a list on this forum of the towns and cities these gangs have been operating in, many for decades, without police and authorities doing anything about them until relatively recently.

Original Quill wrote:You have changed your story, Syl.  I was referring to your post:

Syl wrote:Every few months another pack of Pakistani Muslim men are charged with raping and grooming underage white girls....there is a list on this forum of the towns and cities these gangs have been operating in, many for decades, without police and authorities doing anything about them until relatively recently.

I won't embarrass you by asking you the standard cross-examination question: 'Were you lying to the jury then, or are you lying to the jury now?'  But clearly, you have changed your story.  At some time they were not being charged by "police and authorities".

Original Quill wrote:You have changed your story, Syl.  I was referring to your post:

Syl wrote:Every few months another pack of Pakistani Muslim men are charged with raping and grooming underage white girls....there is a list on this forum of the towns and cities these gangs have been operating in, many for decades, without police and authorities doing anything about them until relatively recently.

I won't embarrass you by asking you the standard cross-examination question: 'Were you lying to the jury then, or are you lying to the jury now?'  But clearly, you have changed your story.  At some time they were not being charged by "police and authorities".

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:You have changed your story, Syl.  I was referring to your post:



I won't embarrass you by asking you the standard cross-examination question: 'Were you lying to the jury then, or are you lying to the jury now?'  But clearly, you have changed your story.  At some time they were not being charged by "police and authorities".

She never changed any story and you are simple second guessing on this case

So lets put this to the test

Have you actually read the evidence of this case?

Syl wrote:Thank you, I never change my story about these gangs.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:Thank you, I never change my story about these gangs.

You just did.  If I'm being slippery, you are being slimy.

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:


She never changed any story and you are simple second guessing on this case

So lets put this to the test

Have you actually read the evidence of this case?

Thank you, I never change my story about these gangs. I live next to a town that suffered abuse like the case in the OP for years before anyone was charged and eventually jailed.
Quill is just being slippery....just like a lawyer.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You just did.  If I'm being slippery, you are being slimy.

I didnt change my story Quill, you are just looking for loopholes to back up your ridiculous comparison which insults any posters intelligence if they bother to read this thread.  

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:
I didnt change my story Quill, you are just looking for loopholes to back up your ridiculous comparison which insults any posters intelligence if they bother to read this thread.  

The words are there.  I've just quoted them.  You've changed your story.

And like all stories with a cultural component (Asians), stories change to fit the discomfort.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:
I didnt change my story Quill, you are just looking for loopholes to back up your ridiculous comparison which insults any posters intelligence if they bother to read this thread.  

The words are there.  I've just quoted them.  You've changed your story.

And like all stories with a cultural component (Asians), stories change to fit the discomfort.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

Thank you, I never change my story about these gangs. I live next to a town that suffered abuse like the case in the OP for years before anyone was charged and eventually jailed.
Quill is just being slippery....just like a lawyer.

Its odd, he claims to be a lawyer and a judge

How many people trust such people?

Quill does them no favours does he?

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

Its odd, he claims to be a lawyer and a judge

How many people trust such people?

Quill does them no favours does he?

No....but maybe he could peruse the list of towns and cities where these gangs have operated and been charged, found guilty and jailed so far. It seems to me he  obviously doesnt have much idea of what he is talking about.

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The words are there.  I've just quoted them.  You've changed your story.

And like all stories with a cultural component (Asians), stories change to fit the discomfort.

Nothing to do with the sterotype of Asians

Just Pakistani men, raping young white girls

Or is that okay on the left wing communist world of Quill?

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:


Nothing to do with the sterotype of Asians

Just Pakistani men, raping young white girls

Or is that okay on the left wing communist world of Quill?

I also think the blanket term 'Asian' is quite insulting.

No Chinese, Japanese, etc etc... and very few Indians have been involved in these gangs.
Its a cultural thing and unfortunately centres round Pakistani men...…..and just to add, its a minority  of Pakistani men, but it's doing every other Asian a disservice to call these gangs Asian imo.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

I also think the blanket term 'Asian' is quite insulting.

No Chinese, Japanese, etc etc... and very few Indians have been involved in these gangs.
Its a cultural thing and unfortunately centres round Pakistani men...…..and just to add, its a minority  of Pakistani men, but it's doing every other Asian a disservice to call these gangs Asian imo.

Ahhhh but speaking sense is racist to quill. No matter how you are rightly not associating many asian people to this crime

Leftist idiots classify anyone of non-white skin as victims, even when here they are rapists and do so with a racist intent

I seriously dispair at the left with this, as even Muslims girls have also been raped

But as seen Quill, are resident make belief lawyer will back any criminal, as long, ss they have a darker shade of skin

It shows the insanity of their reasoning and even Dr Martin Luther King, would turn in his grave at Quills views

As Quill is essentially racist

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:


Nothing to do with the sterotype of Asians

Just Pakistani men, raping young white girls

Or is that okay on the left wing communist world of Quill?

I also think the blanket term 'Asian' is quite insulting.

No Chinese, Japanese, etc etc... and very few Indians have been involved in these gangs.
Its a cultural thing and unfortunately centres round Pakistani men...…..and just to add, its a minority  of Pakistani men, but it's doing every other Asian a disservice to call these gangs Asian imo.

magica wrote:

Syl wrote:

I also think the blanket term 'Asian' is quite insulting.

No Chinese, Japanese, etc etc... and very few Indians have been involved in these gangs.
Its a cultural thing and unfortunately centres round Pakistani men...…..and just to add, its a minority  of Pakistani men, but it's doing every other Asian a disservice to call these gangs Asian imo.

I agree Syl, Asian is too much of a blanket term. These scum were Pakistanis, and they deliberately targeted underage white girls.

They're also racist, because they wouldn't do it to their own but think it's ok with white girls as they see them as slags.

Vile excuses for humans. I hope prison metes out their own type of justice on these vile rapists, paedophiles.

magica wrote:Many Pakistanis treat women with contempt as do Indian men.

They're just there for the men. Disgusting imo.

Didge wrote:

magica wrote:Many Pakistanis treat women with contempt as do Indian men.

They're just there for the men. Disgusting imo.

I have never found that with Indian men, Magica. So no idea where you get to cast them this way.

Espically Sikh men. They were one of the first to highlight the very problem of grooming gangs, where Pkistani men were targeting Sikh girls. Sadly they were ignored in the 1980's

thoughtco wrote:What Is Racism: A Definition and Examples
Get the Facts on Internalized, Horizontal, and Reverse Racism

By Nadra Kareem Nittle
September 19, 2018

What is racism, really? The word is thrown around all the time today by people of color and whites alike. Use of the term racism has become so popular that it’s spun off related terms such as reverse racism, horizontal racism, and internalized racism.

Defining Racism
Let’s start by examining the most basic definition of racism—the dictionary meaning. According to the American Heritage College Dictionary, racism has two meanings. This resource first defines racism as, “The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others” and secondly as, “Discrimination or prejudice based on race.”

Examples of the first definition abound throughout history. When slavery was practiced in the United States, blacks were not only considered inferior to whites but regarded as property instead of human beings. During the 1787 Philadelphia Convention, it was agreed that slaves were to be considered three-fifths people for purposes of taxation and representation. Generally speaking during slavery, blacks were deemed intellectually inferior to whites.

This notion persists in pockets of modern-day America.

In 1994, a book called The Bell Curve posited that genetics were to blame for African Americans' traditionally lower scoring than whites on intelligence tests. The book was attacked by everyone from New York Times columnist Bob Herbert, who argued that social factors were responsible for the differential, to Stephen Jay Gould who argued that the authors made conclusions unsupported by scientific research.

In 2007, Nobel Prize-winning geneticist James Watson ignited similar controversy when he suggested that blacks were less intelligent than whites.

Discrimination Today
Sadly, racism persists in modern society as well, most often taking the form of discrimination. Case in point: Black unemployment has traditionally soared above white unemployment for decades. On the surface, this begs the question, "Do blacks simply not take the initiative that whites do to find work?" Digging deeper, we discover studies indicating that, in actuality, discrimination contributes to the black-white unemployment gap.

In 2003, researchers at the University of Chicago and MIT released a study involving 5,000 fake resumes, finding that 10 percent of resumes featuring “Caucasian-sounding” names were called back compared to just 6.7 percent of resumes featuring “black-sounding” names. Moreover, resumes featuring names such as Tamika and Aisha were called back just 5 and 2 percent of the time. The skill level of the faux black candidates made no impact on callback rates.

Can Minorities Be Racist?
Because racial minorities born in the U.S. have spent lifetimes in a society which traditionally values whites lives over theirs, they are as likely to believe in the superiority of whites, themselves.

It’s also worth noting that in response to living in a racially stratified society, people of color sometimes complain about whites. Typically, such complaints serve as coping mechanisms to withstand racism rather than actual anti-white bias. Even when minorities express or practice prejudice against whites, they lack the institutional power to adversely affect whites’ lives.

Internalized Racism and Horizontal Racism
Internalized racism exhibits as a minority believing, perhaps even unconsciously, that whites are superior.

A highly publicized example of this is a 1940 study devised by Dr. Kenneth and Mamie to pinpoint the negative psychological effects of segregation on young black children. Given the choice between dolls completely identical in every way except for their color, the black children disproportionately chose the latter, often even going so far as to refer to the dark-skinned dolls with derision and epithets.

In 2005, teen filmmaker Kiri Davis conducted a similar study, finding that 64 percent of black girls interviewed preferred white dolls. The girls attributed physical traits associated with whites, such as straighter hair, with being more desirable than traits associated with blacks.

Horizontal racism occurs when members of minority groups adopt racist attitudes toward other minority groups. An example of this would be if a Japanese American prejudged a Mexican American based on the racist stereotypes of Latinos found in mainstream culture.

Reverse Racism
“Reverse racism” refers to anti-white discrimination. It’s often used in conjunction with practices designed to help minorities, such as affirmative action.

Social programs are not the only targets generating cries of “reverse racism”. A number of prominent minorities, including the biracial President Obama, have been accused of being anti-white. Though the validity of such claims is clearly debatable, the Supreme Court continues to receive appeals seeking determinations on cases submitting the creation of white bias by affirmative action programs.

These trends indicate that as minorities continue to attain higher seats in industry, politics, and society, certain subsets of whites will cry reverse minority bias ever more urgently.

Racism Myth: Segregation Was a Southern Issue
Contrary to popular belief, integration wasn’t universally accepted in the North. While Martin Luther King Jr. managed to march relatively safely through a number of Southern towns during the civil rights movement, one city he chose not to march through for fear of violence was Cicero, Ill.

When, in 1966, activists marched without King through the Chicago suburb to address housing segregation and related problems, they were met by angry white mobs and bricks.

Similarly, when Judge W. Arthur Garrity ordered Boston city schools to integrate by busing black and white schoolchildren into each other’s neighborhoods to force compliance with the Racial Imbalance Act of 1965, bloody riots ensued.

https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-racism-2834955

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:


I have never found that with Indian men, Magica. So no idea where you get to cast them this way.

Espically Sikh men. They were one of the first to highlight the very problem of grooming gangs, where Pkistani men were targeting Sikh girls. Sadly they were ignored in the 1980's

My next door neighbours are Indian, the husband and dad is a mild mannered man who treats everyone with huge respect.
Their three grown up sons, and every other Indian man I have met (limited amount I know) are also very respectful towards women.

Didge wrote:

magica wrote:Many Pakistanis treat women with contempt as do Indian men.

They're just there for the men. Disgusting imo.

I have never found that with Indian men, Magica. So no idea where you get to cast them this way.

Espically Sikh men. They were one of the first to highlight the very problem of grooming gangs, where Pkistani men were targeting Sikh girls. Sadly they were ignored in the 1980's

Tommy Monk wrote:He was telling my mate to ditch ME... I was the 'gora'...