A Conservative says Cameron is 'Devastingly Wrong' about Shale Gas
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A Conservative says Cameron is 'Devastingly Wrong' about Shale Gas
The truth about David Cameron's fracking fairytale
Cameron's story about how shale gas will save the British economy is demonstrably and devastatingly false
by Chris Huhne
Davos tends to turn the hardest of heads. During the annual meetings, where businesses pay big bucks to rub shoulders with political leaders and thinkers, a contagious aura of smugness fills this Alpine valley like a fog, killing much sense of reality.
Politicians need a quick corridor story to sell their country's virtues, and David Cameron has landed on a peculiarly ill-informed one. Most narratives are falsifiable only with the passage of time, but Cameron's story is demonstrably a fairytale right now.
The Cameron song is that Britain is going to be "re-shoring" businesses – the opposite of offshoring – in part because of cheap gas as fracking takes off: prices will fall as they have in the US, where they are just a third of Europe's prices. British consumers, whose bills will be halved, will doff their caps to Tory ministers who made possible this revolution of cheap energy. Grateful billionaires will come gambolling back to bring new business to Bradford and Bolton.
This is not a vision but a fantasy. Britain's geology has not yet been proved as suitable for fracking. Poland underwent a frenzy of over-excited hype about its shale gas deposits, only to be cruelly disappointed by the detailed geology. The same may happen here.
Assume, however, that our shale deposits are frackable. The second problem is that we have eight times as many people per square mile as the US, and those pin-striped protesters in Balcombe, Sussex, are rather more likely to notice the lorry traffic needed to supply a big shale gas pad than the good folk of Oklahoma.
Those irate British nimbys, along with the green groups who want to leave fossil fuels in the ground, are quite capable of making life miserable for the shale prospectors. They have to get planning permission, and then face tricks such as buying up tiny strips of land and claiming trespass.
In the US you drive by signs saying "Top dollar paid for gas rights". Companies can buy from residents who own the mineral rights under their own land. In the UK, mineral rights were nationalised during the first world war so people have little incentive to back exploration.
Another problem is that shale has particularly taken off in low-regulation US states, but thankfully it is unlikely that the UK will want to relax environmental safeguards such as protecting the water table. UK politics is much more like that of New York or New Jersey – both of which have declared moratoriums on shale – than Texas or Louisiana. High environmental standards, combined with planning controls, will inevitably slow down shale gas output.
Never mind my judgment, consider what the great god of the marketplace thinks of the prime minister's vision. There is a very obvious way of telling, because a company quoted on the Australian stock exchange called AJ Lucas owns 42% of Cuadrilla, one of the most active UK shale gas explorers. Its shares are still just a quarter of what they were worth in 2009.
Let us nevertheless suspend our disbelief, and assume that our brave frackers triumph over all these adversities and succeed in producing such vast volumes of natural gas that we once again become a net exporter of gas to other countries, as we were until 2004 from the North Sea. This is the nirvana that Cameron believes will cause re-shoring because our energy prices will be so low.
However, there is a little snag with the prime minister's logic. We have so many pipelines connecting us to the continent that if the price were lower here, some gas trader would buy in Britain and export it. Soon the prices would be virtually the same. For exactly this reason, energy prices were no lower than Germany's even when we were self-sufficient.
The reason they are lower in the US is because the shale gas revolution has happened more quickly than investors could build export terminals, and the gas has been trapped in the home market, driving down the price. Even when the terminals are built, the price will be substantially lower because of the very high shipping costs from North America.
There is a final devastating flaw in Cameron's argument. Imagine that we are once again afloat on a jet-black sea of fossil fuels: our energy prices may not be lower, but our balance of payments will benefit enormously from lower oil and gas imports; as a result, sterling is likely to become a more attractive currency to buy – a "petro-currency".
Then we would suffer from what used to be called the Dutch disease. The currency would strengthen, hitting trading businesses. In the 80s, offshoring began in earnest when we sharply increased oil and gas output. In other words, if the prime minister's fantasy actually happened, the consequences would be the exact opposite of what he supposes.
To sum up, shale may not happen. If it does, it will be slow. Even if it is eventually massive, prices will not drop. British industry, far from re-shoring, will be squeezed by the strong pound. Could the prime minister please hire a respectable economic adviser with a memory?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/26/truth-david-cameron-fracking-fairytale-shale-gas
I think that is an extremely good point, if the market value of the main shale gas exploration company hasn't risen, with the the publicity it has been given by the government, then they must have a pretty good idea that it's not going to be as easy as Cameron thinks it is going to be, and he needs to calm down.
Cameron's story about how shale gas will save the British economy is demonstrably and devastatingly false
by Chris Huhne
Davos tends to turn the hardest of heads. During the annual meetings, where businesses pay big bucks to rub shoulders with political leaders and thinkers, a contagious aura of smugness fills this Alpine valley like a fog, killing much sense of reality.
Politicians need a quick corridor story to sell their country's virtues, and David Cameron has landed on a peculiarly ill-informed one. Most narratives are falsifiable only with the passage of time, but Cameron's story is demonstrably a fairytale right now.
The Cameron song is that Britain is going to be "re-shoring" businesses – the opposite of offshoring – in part because of cheap gas as fracking takes off: prices will fall as they have in the US, where they are just a third of Europe's prices. British consumers, whose bills will be halved, will doff their caps to Tory ministers who made possible this revolution of cheap energy. Grateful billionaires will come gambolling back to bring new business to Bradford and Bolton.
This is not a vision but a fantasy. Britain's geology has not yet been proved as suitable for fracking. Poland underwent a frenzy of over-excited hype about its shale gas deposits, only to be cruelly disappointed by the detailed geology. The same may happen here.
Assume, however, that our shale deposits are frackable. The second problem is that we have eight times as many people per square mile as the US, and those pin-striped protesters in Balcombe, Sussex, are rather more likely to notice the lorry traffic needed to supply a big shale gas pad than the good folk of Oklahoma.
Those irate British nimbys, along with the green groups who want to leave fossil fuels in the ground, are quite capable of making life miserable for the shale prospectors. They have to get planning permission, and then face tricks such as buying up tiny strips of land and claiming trespass.
In the US you drive by signs saying "Top dollar paid for gas rights". Companies can buy from residents who own the mineral rights under their own land. In the UK, mineral rights were nationalised during the first world war so people have little incentive to back exploration.
Another problem is that shale has particularly taken off in low-regulation US states, but thankfully it is unlikely that the UK will want to relax environmental safeguards such as protecting the water table. UK politics is much more like that of New York or New Jersey – both of which have declared moratoriums on shale – than Texas or Louisiana. High environmental standards, combined with planning controls, will inevitably slow down shale gas output.
Never mind my judgment, consider what the great god of the marketplace thinks of the prime minister's vision. There is a very obvious way of telling, because a company quoted on the Australian stock exchange called AJ Lucas owns 42% of Cuadrilla, one of the most active UK shale gas explorers. Its shares are still just a quarter of what they were worth in 2009.
Let us nevertheless suspend our disbelief, and assume that our brave frackers triumph over all these adversities and succeed in producing such vast volumes of natural gas that we once again become a net exporter of gas to other countries, as we were until 2004 from the North Sea. This is the nirvana that Cameron believes will cause re-shoring because our energy prices will be so low.
However, there is a little snag with the prime minister's logic. We have so many pipelines connecting us to the continent that if the price were lower here, some gas trader would buy in Britain and export it. Soon the prices would be virtually the same. For exactly this reason, energy prices were no lower than Germany's even when we were self-sufficient.
The reason they are lower in the US is because the shale gas revolution has happened more quickly than investors could build export terminals, and the gas has been trapped in the home market, driving down the price. Even when the terminals are built, the price will be substantially lower because of the very high shipping costs from North America.
There is a final devastating flaw in Cameron's argument. Imagine that we are once again afloat on a jet-black sea of fossil fuels: our energy prices may not be lower, but our balance of payments will benefit enormously from lower oil and gas imports; as a result, sterling is likely to become a more attractive currency to buy – a "petro-currency".
Then we would suffer from what used to be called the Dutch disease. The currency would strengthen, hitting trading businesses. In the 80s, offshoring began in earnest when we sharply increased oil and gas output. In other words, if the prime minister's fantasy actually happened, the consequences would be the exact opposite of what he supposes.
To sum up, shale may not happen. If it does, it will be slow. Even if it is eventually massive, prices will not drop. British industry, far from re-shoring, will be squeezed by the strong pound. Could the prime minister please hire a respectable economic adviser with a memory?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/26/truth-david-cameron-fracking-fairytale-shale-gas
I think that is an extremely good point, if the market value of the main shale gas exploration company hasn't risen, with the the publicity it has been given by the government, then they must have a pretty good idea that it's not going to be as easy as Cameron thinks it is going to be, and he needs to calm down.
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Hey another Guardian article.
The case for Shale gas isn't clear cut until you find yourself at the mercy of Putin.
Until you neglect to replace nuclear and put off the decisions for 13 years as Labour did.
Until you let North Sea reserves run out without a forward plan.
The cost of energy is currently in decline because of a mild winter lets see further ahead.
I was in two minds your clear opposition has put me in the for camp.
BTW Ken Clarke think Cameron is devastatingly wrong about Europe us sane ones don't.
The case for Shale gas isn't clear cut until you find yourself at the mercy of Putin.
Until you neglect to replace nuclear and put off the decisions for 13 years as Labour did.
Until you let North Sea reserves run out without a forward plan.
The cost of energy is currently in decline because of a mild winter lets see further ahead.
I was in two minds your clear opposition has put me in the for camp.
BTW Ken Clarke think Cameron is devastatingly wrong about Europe us sane ones don't.
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Re: A Conservative says Cameron is 'Devastingly Wrong' about Shale Gas
Only idiots and assholes take opinions simply to be on the opposite side of people they don't like, in my experience.
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Ben_Reilly wrote:Only idiots and assholes take opinions simply to be on the opposite side of people they don't like, in my experience.
Lol, and there are some of them about.
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I think my points also inform my decision Ben please read the whole thing. You are very selective you comrades.
BTW when you are in two minds if an idiot suggest one thing doesn't that give you a clue?
BTW when you are in two minds if an idiot suggest one thing doesn't that give you a clue?
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Public support for fracking in Britain falls for a second time
Poll shows a further increase in shale gas opposition since protests last summer – despite prime minister's support
David Cameron is losing the battle for public opinion over fracking for shale gas because of high-profile public protests against the controversial technique, polling suggests.
The latest results of a long-running survey on British attitudes towards shale gas, undertaken by YouGov and commissioned by the University of Nottingham, show an increase in the number of people opposed to fracking and a decrease in those in favour for the second time since protests at Balcombe in West Sussex last August.
The slide in support comes despite several major speeches by the prime minister in support of shale gas over the same period, including last week's address to the World Economic Forum in Davos where he said the UK needed to "embrace the opportunities of shale gas" even though he understood "the concerns some people have".
Public support for fracking steadily grew from June 2012 to a high of 58% in favour and just 18% against in July 2013, when asked the question: "should shale gas extraction in the UK be allowed?". But after the protests against an oil-drilling site run by Cuadrilla at Balcombe – which saw several thousand people marching and dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas – the number in favour fell in September to 55% and has dropped again this month to 53%. Opposition has also risen, to 24% in September and 27% this month.
Sarah O'Hara, pro vice-chancellor and professor of geography at the University of Nottingham, said: "After a prolonged period when the UK public appeared to be warming to shale gas, that opinion is shifting in the opposite direction, with the apparent turn against fracking for shale gas continuing."
Lawrence Carter, climate campaigner at Greenpeace, said of the new polling: "David Cameron appears to have lost his knack for PR. After a concerted push from the prime minister to sell shale gas to the public, including financial bungs to local councils, his net return is that fewer people support fracking. It is time he listened to the voices of local communities and abandoned his plans to industrialise our countryside with this dirty, risky and controversial practice and instead backed the home insulation programmes and clean energy sources that can tackle rising bills and protect the environment."
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jan/28/fracking-protest-david-cameron-public-support-poll
There's gonna be a lot of protesters.
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There are alot of protestors about windmill blighting he countryside you support them.
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Windmills can be taken down again. Fracking can't be rectified once the water table is poisoned and the minor earthquakes begin (as in Blackpool)
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