Will Jeremy Corbyn condemn the shooting of Khalid Masood? (Hence the Far Left Are Idiots)

by Guest Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:25 pm

First topic message reminder :

Will Jeremy Corbyn have the courage of his stated convictions and condemn the killing of Khalid Masood by armed police yesterday?

Corbyn has stated on record that he was “not happy” with police or security services operating a “shoot to kill” policy in the event of a terror attack.

In November 2015, Jeremy Corbyn was asked by the BBC’s political editor Laura Kuenssberg whether he would be happy to order police or the military to shoot to kill if there an attack on Britain’s streets similar to the ones in France.

Corbyn answered: “I’m not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in general – I think that is quite dangerous and I think can often can be counterproductive.”

In the aftermath of yesterday’s attack on Westminster, the Labour Party leader has issued only a short and bland statement about being “united in adversity” and thanking the police for their “bravery”. But he appears to have completely forgotten his previous stated position. Or, when put to the test, his courage has failed him.

It is a rather awkward and uncomfortable question to have to ask in the wake of tragedy, but a necessary one. Politicians like Corbyn cannot get away with holding – in abstraction – positions or stated views which, they believe, signal their greater virtue, only to quietly abandon these when reality strikes. Developing a public policy on the growing problem of self-motivated terrorism is a serious business and is not helped my moral posturing.

http://hurryupharry.org/2017/03/23/will-jeremy-corbyn-condemn-the-shooting-of-khalid-masood/

Corbyn = Twat

by 'Wolfie Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:37 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Thor made this thread simply to get his hatred of Corbyn publicised. Corbyn's views are well known.
If a terrorist is presenting a clear and present danger, the police can and should shoot him. And shooting means aiming centre mass and firing several rounds.
Not winging in the leg or shoulder.
Blow a big hole where his heart is.
If no present danger exists, he should be detained.
Pretty simple, and all rational people go along with that philosophy.

Except Thor. Because he clearly is having a brainstorn tonight. His synaptic pathways have tangled. Why would you abuse and argue with a poster that agrees with you?
Go and take your meds Thor, then come back and apologise to Raggs and Sassy.

I agree, Andy...

Thorin's the one having a meltdown moment here..
Maybe he's having withdrawal symptoms from his favourite poison(s) ? bom

Attacking Ragg's, sassy and Syl without any clear cause. (At least some us wait until we have actual reasons (minor or major) to abuse people..).

If Thor keeps going at this rate, he could end up owing apologies to half the forum !!!

by Victorismyhero Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:39 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:

No he is not , which is the point and he failed to stand up to his supposed principle

Hence the irony

Do you always look for arguments on every thread.

Seriously get laid woman, or remove that lump of coal up your arse.

As it must be a diamond by now

Anything else?

And the moon's only in the waning crescent.... What the hell's going on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PMT .....

by Syl Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:07 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:Thor made this thread simply to get his hatred of Corbyn publicised. Corbyn's views are well known.
If a terrorist is presenting a clear and present danger, the police can and should shoot him. And shooting means aiming centre mass and firing several rounds.
Not winging in the leg or shoulder.
Blow a big hole where his heart is.
If no present danger exists, he should be detained.
Pretty simple, and all rational people go along with that philosophy.

Except Thor. Because he clearly is having a brainstorn tonight. His synaptic pathways have tangled. Why would you abuse and argue with a poster that agrees with you?
Go and take your meds Thor, then come back and apologise to Raggs and Sassy.

I agree, Andy...

Thorin's the one having a meltdown moment here..
Maybe he's having withdrawal symptoms from his favourite poison(s) ?

Attacking Ragg's, sassy and Syl without any clear cause. (At least some us wait until we have actual reasons (minor or major) to abuse people..).

If Thor keeps going at this rate, he could end up owing apologies to half the forum !!!

You are the worst one here for abusing people and attacking without cause, so put your condemnation away.
Hypocritical troll.

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:55 am

Lord Foul wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

And the moon's only in the waning crescent.... What the hell's going on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PMT .....

Wow and you fuel idiocy, no surprise there.

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:55 am

Syl wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

I agree, Andy...

Thorin's the one having a meltdown moment here..
Maybe he's having withdrawal symptoms from his favourite poison(s) ?

Attacking Ragg's, sassy and Syl without any clear cause. (At least some us wait until we have actual reasons (minor or major) to abuse people..).

If Thor keeps going at this rate, he could end up owing apologies to half the forum !!!
You are the worst one here for abusing people and attacking without cause, so put your condemnation away.
Hypocritical troll.

Double standard

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:58 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:Thor made this thread simply to get his hatred of Corbyn publicised. Corbyn's views are well known.
If a terrorist is presenting a clear and present danger, the police can and should shoot him. And shooting means aiming centre mass and firing several rounds.
Not winging in the leg or shoulder.
Blow a big hole where his heart is.
If no present danger exists, he should be detained.
Pretty simple, and all rational people go along with that philosophy.

Except Thor. Because he clearly is having a brainstorn tonight. His synaptic pathways have tangled. Why would you abuse and argue with a poster that agrees with you?
Go and take your meds Thor, then come back and apologise to Raggs and Sassy.

I agree, Andy...

Thorin's the one having a meltdown moment here..
Maybe he's having withdrawal symptoms from his favourite poison(s) ?

Attacking Ragg's, sassy and Syl without any clear cause. (At least some us wait until we have actual reasons (minor or major) to abuse people..).

If Thor keeps going at this rate, he could end up owing apologies to half the forum !!!

Apologize for what

You are the last person to say who should apologize and never do

As to Andy's post it is sheer crap

Corbyn as well as other lefties have called to task Israel IDF troops for shooting dead Palestinian terrorists in the act of stabbing people. Hence the hypocrisy, but just for the dim witted here

And as to sassy's bullcrap

As to Rags, she constantly like you causes fights on here. Even when there is no fight for her, she jumps in and fuels them.

She is nothing more than an immature shit stirrer and no longer tolerating her antics

Now are you satisfied?

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:56 am

Just had to laugh, as the gutless Irn-curtain has started this exact same thread, without anything on the topic, other than to masturbate about me

lol!

He has posted up where he asked me to condemn English traitors in WW2 on a discussion about the Scots grabbing land taken by the English and the troubles in Northern Ireland. He fails to post the link and why as half Irish, why would I be bothered over this. Or the fact that I did condemn them, but fails to see why as a person being Irish would need to condemn English traitors to a conflict Ireland was neutral in. Again those that served Germany in WW2 did so with a hate of Communism in the main and many were executed for this

Hey ho, it shows why those imbeciles are not here and he also thinks I should have been banned for this and it was far worse than what Scrat said.

So having an opinion to the wee Irn-curtain is a banning offence apparently

scrat wrote:
Such a cretin, shame he does not possess the gonads to dare post that shite on here, the doss ****!

Irn Bru wrote:You're right - no mod protection here. And to think you got banned for a lot less shit than that.

http://electricsky.forumotion.co.uk/t3929-will-jeremy-corbyn-condemn-the-shooting-of-khalid-masood-hence-the-far-left-are-fuckwits#55274

So a conspiracy against the mods here also, wow.
No wonder the cretin got the sack here....ha ha ha Laughing

This has always been the gutless daft antisemitic far left nitwits problem. He cannot debate, hides behind another forum and only ever tries to deligitimise people, myself and the Jews. His latest is a conspiracy that the Israel lobby controls the British government. He bases this off a Al Jazeera programme that was widely riducled for actually failing to find any evidence of control by the Israel lobby. It showed the abuse of one student leader and an aid to a diplomat, claiming he would bring down an MP. A nobody basically with zero influence or power. He forgets though the British vote against Israel on countless resolutions. Though he has openly declared his support for a known terrorist and human rights abuser in Hamas.
Its shows how far warped and immature he really is.

by Raggamuffin Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:56 am

Oh dear. The immature insults on this thread are from Didge, not from me.

Whatever Corbyn thinks, it's hardly a good time to bring it up. What is he supposed to say five minutes after a policeman was stabbed to death and two other people were killed? He's not going to start complaining about the fact the attacker was shot is he?

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:02 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh dear. The immature insults on this thread are from Didge, not from me.

Whatever Corbyn thinks, it's hardly a good time to bring it up. What is he supposed to say five minutes after a policeman was stabbed to death and two other people were killed? He's not going to start complaining about the fact the attacker was shot is he?

And you don't on countless threads accuse me of being a troll when losing one?

Double standards

Unlike you I am sorry for the names I called you and happy to apologise. Just very angry at this latest terrorist attack. So I apolgise, there was no need for me to speak to you like that. I also am sorry to Syl for what I said. My apologies to Syl.

I certainly do not hate Corbyn, as Andy Claims. I think he is going to ensure Labour do not gain power for years.

The point on Corbyn is he is hypocritical on such matters, especially accusing the IDF, which deal with this daily.

Why is that wrong to point out?

by Raggamuffin Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:10 am

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Oh dear. The immature insults on this thread are from Didge, not from me.

Whatever Corbyn thinks, it's hardly a good time to bring it up. What is he supposed to say five minutes after a policeman was stabbed to death and two other people were killed? He's not going to start complaining about the fact the attacker was shot is he?

And you don't on countless threads accuse me of being a troll when losing one?

Double standards

Unlike you I am sorry for the names I called you and happy to apologise. Just very angry at this latest terrorist attack. So I apolgise, there was no need for me to speak to you like that. I also am sorry to Syl for what I said. My apologies to Syl.

I certainly do not hate Corbyn, as Andy Claims. I think he is going to ensure Labour do not gain power for years.

The point on Corbyn is he is hypocritical on such matters, especially accusing the IDF, which deal with this daily.

Why is that wrong to point out?

The point is that you accused me of being childish, and yet you're the one who had a tantrum and hurled childish insults around. However, I accept your apology.

Corbyn isn't really in a position to know the facts yet. He doesn't know if the man was still a threat or not, so he's not likely to say anything about this particular issue at the moment.

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:12 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

And you don't on countless threads accuse me of being a troll when losing one?

Double standards

Unlike you I am sorry for the names I called you and happy to apologise. Just very angry at this latest terrorist attack. So I apolgise, there was no need for me to speak to you like that. I also am sorry to Syl for what I said. My apologies to Syl.

I certainly do not hate Corbyn, as Andy Claims. I think he is going to ensure Labour do not gain power for years.

The point on Corbyn is he is hypocritical on such matters, especially accusing the IDF, which deal with this daily.

Why is that wrong to point out?

The point is that you accused me of being childish, and yet you're the one who had a tantrum and hurled childish insults around. However, I accept your apology.

Corbyn isn't really in a position to know the facts yet. He doesn't know if the man was still a threat or not, so he's not likely to say anything about this particular issue at the moment.

It does not matter, when he has been critical where others have used a shoot to kill policy and even admits on video he is not comfortable with such a policy.

The point is as pointed out, they could be suicide bombers, would you or anyone else take the chance when faced with a terrorist threat?

by Raggamuffin Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:21 am

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

The point is that you accused me of being childish, and yet you're the one who had a tantrum and hurled childish insults around. However, I accept your apology.

Corbyn isn't really in a position to know the facts yet. He doesn't know if the man was still a threat or not, so he's not likely to say anything about this particular issue at the moment.

It does not matter, when he has been critical where others have used a shoot to kill policy and even admits on video he is not comfortable with such a policy.

The point is as pointed out, they could be suicide bombers, would you or anyone else take the chance when faced with a terrorist threat?

Of course it matters. I gather that Corbyn wasn't specifically talking about terrorism anyway. I don't think even he would say that someone who was about to shoot a load of people in a terrorist attack shouldn't be killed before they could do so. If someone said they had a bomb and they were going to detonate it, I don't think he would say they shouldn't be shot.

Perhaps he meant people like Mark Duggan?

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:27 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

It does not matter, when he has been critical where others have used a shoot to kill policy and even admits on video he is not comfortable with such a policy.

The point is as pointed out, they could be suicide bombers, would you or anyone else take the chance when faced with a terrorist threat?

Of course it matters. I gather that Corbyn wasn't specifically talking about terrorism anyway. I don't think even he would say that someone who was about to shoot a load of people in a terrorist attack shouldn't be killed before they could do so. If someone said they had a bomb and they were going to detonate it, I don't think he would say they shouldn't be shot.

Perhaps he meant people like Mark Duggan?

This terrorist was not about to shoot anyone either, but had a knife and was stabbing people after ramming his car at people. So it does not matter as I stated. If they have a knife and are trying to stab people, then the policy should be shoot to kill, as they are attempting to kill people. Which flies in the face of Israel haters, when many terrorists have survived such stabbing, ramming attacks. Again he said he is uncomfortable.
As victor stated and based off known suicide attacks and someone starts attacking people, it should be shoot to kill. As you cannot take chances

Laters

by Andy Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:30 am

A good number of Labour VOTERS (as distinct from members) dont think Corbyn will ever be PM.
He has neither the vision or imagination to capture the votes of Englands heartlands.
Perhaps the likes of Hilary Benn and Keir Starmer will step up to the plate. For the sake of a powerful opposition that will hold this poor government to account, I hope they do.

by Raggamuffin Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:33 am

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Of course it matters. I gather that Corbyn wasn't specifically talking about terrorism anyway. I don't think even he would say that someone who was about to shoot a load of people in a terrorist attack shouldn't be killed before they could do so. If someone said they had a bomb and they were going to detonate it, I don't think he would say they shouldn't be shot.

Perhaps he meant people like Mark Duggan?

This terrorist was not about to shoot anyone either, but had a knife and was stabbing people after ramming his car at people. So it does not matter as I stated. If they have a knife and are trying to stab people, then the policy should be shoot to kill, as they are attempting to kill people. Which flies in the face of Israel haters, when many terrorists have survived such stabbing, ramming attacks. Again he said he is uncomfortable.
As victor stated and based off known suicide attacks and someone starts attacking people, it should be shoot to kill. As you cannot take chances

Laters

It seems to me that Corbyn is talking about people who are not actually a threat at the time of the shooting. As I already said, he doesn't know if the man was still a threat to anyone or not. You can't expect him to comment on things he doesn't know.

Is this a thread about shoot to kill, or is it about Jeremy Corbyn? I think you need to decide.

by eddie Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:05 am

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

That is not the point, he was killed whilst committing terrorism.

Your do see the irony?

So why are you standing up for Corbyns hypocrisy here.

Forget it, you are the founder of double standards, so its no surprise

Eh? I'm not.

Is Corbyn in favour of shoot to kill if someone is a direct threat to someone or not?

No he is not , which is the point and he failed to stand up to his supposed principle

Hence the irony

Do you always look for arguments on every thread.

Seriously get laid woman, or remove that lump of coal up your arse.

As it must be a diamond by now

Anything else?

I haven't read the whole of this thread yet but it has been brought to my attention.

This post is unacceptable didge. Rein it in.

by Fred Moletrousers Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:13 am

eddie wrote:
Thorin wrote:

No he is not , which is the point and he failed to stand up to his supposed principle

Hence the irony

Do you always look for arguments on every thread.

Seriously get laid woman, or remove that lump of coal up your arse.

As it must be a diamond by now

Anything else?

I haven't read the whole of this thread yet but it has been brought to my attention.

This post is unacceptable didge. Rein it in.

The thread is based on material from the site Harry's Place...nothing authoritative; just another one of millions of blogs wordwide.

It's purpose may be deduced from it's mission statement: This is the thread where people can brawl to their heart’s content.

Please feel free to bicker, spit, cough bile, scratch, meeow, and indulge in as much verbal fisticuffs as you please.

Manus lavo, and all that.

'nuff said.[/quote]

by eddie Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:18 am

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

That is where you are wrong.

I do not want to take sides, as its between me and you, but thank you for proving this is about you deliberately starting again.

You appealed to Syl - I saw you do it.

You hurl abuse for no reason and then pretend to be a "victim".

Appealed?

She can do as she pleases, she jumped in your defense and like you wrongly cast me as drunk.

How is that an appeal?

As far as I am concerned, you are both immature bitches that slag off people

Now you have to face me

Again. Didge you're stepping way over polite debate here.

I'm not going to sit back and have you abuse people. Got that?

by HoratioTarr Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:57 am

eddie wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Appealed?

She can do as she pleases, she jumped in your defense and like you wrongly cast me as drunk.

How is that an appeal?

As far as I am concerned, you are both immature bitches that slag off people

Now you have to face me

Again. Didge you're stepping way over polite debate here.

I'm not going to sit back and have you abuse people. Got that?

He's apologised. But you know the routine. Rinse and repeat.

by Syl Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:16 pm

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:
You are the worst one here for abusing people and attacking without cause, so put your condemnation away.
Hypocritical troll.

Double standard

I don't have double standards.
You attacked me, Rags and Sassy without any provocation Thor, Wolf simply joined the thread to troll as usual.
He certainly is the worst troll on this forum....I'm not sure how anyone with a brain can disagree with that simple statement.

I see in another post you have apologised...I accept that apology and unless the argument is carried on by you its forgotten.

by eddie Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:54 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
eddie wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Appealed?

She can do as she pleases, she jumped in your defense and like you wrongly cast me as drunk.

How is that an appeal?

As far as I am concerned, you are both immature bitches that slag off people

Now you have to face me

Again. Didge you're stepping way over polite debate here.

I'm not going to sit back and have you abuse people. Got that?

He's apologised. But you know the routine. Rinse and repeat.

If he's apologised fair enough but I'm reiterating that it won't be tolerated.

by 'Wolfie Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:42 pm

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Double standard

I don't have double standards.
You attacked me, Rags and Sassy without any provocation Thor, Wolf simply joined the thread to troll as usual.
He certainly is the worst troll on this forum....I'm not sure how anyone with a brain can disagree with that simple statement.

I see in another post you have apologised...I accept that apology and unless the argument is carried on by you its forgotten.

Stop it with your outright lies and deflections, Sly...

I have never "trolled" on this forum, or elsewhere..

I doubt that you even know what the word means !

Take your constant stirring and run back to Flop with your racist mates -- Stormee must be feeling lonely without his #1 fan by now.. Rolling Eyes

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:51 pm

eddie wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Appealed?

She can do as she pleases, she jumped in your defense and like you wrongly cast me as drunk.

How is that an appeal?

As far as I am concerned, you are both immature bitches that slag off people

Now you have to face me

Again. Didge you're stepping way over polite debate here.

I'm not going to sit back and have you abuse people. Got that?

Really?

When you step in and not tolerate people claiming I have mental health problems, take your meds, a drunk, a troll, effected by the moon, etc, etc, then your words will be valid, until then, they are meaningless Eddie.
Why is it acceptable to abuse me?

Again double standards

by Raggamuffin Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:52 pm

Thorin wrote:
eddie wrote:

Again. Didge you're stepping way over polite debate here.

I'm not going to sit back and have you abuse people. Got that?

Really?

When you step in and not tolerate people claiming I have mental health problems, a drunk, a troll, effected by the moon, etc, etc, then your words will be valid, until then, they are meaningless Eddie.

I was entitled to reply in kind to you after your abuse. So much for your "apology".

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:55 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Really?

When you step in and not tolerate people claiming I have mental health problems, a drunk, a troll, effected by the moon, etc, etc, then your words will be valid, until then, they are meaningless Eddie.

I was entitled to reply in kind to you after your abuse. So much for your "apology".

Two wrongs do not make a right and at least I did apologise.
Just because you receive abuse, does not mean you can retaliate back.
So you are not justified in your constant abuse and accusing people of being trolls.

Either the rules apply to all or they are worthless

by Raggamuffin Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:57 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I was entitled to reply in kind to you after your abuse. So much for your "apology".

Two wrongs do not make a right and at least I did apologise.
Just because you receive abuse, does not mean you can retaliate back.
So you are not justified in your constant abuse and accusing people of being trolls.

Either the rules apply to all or they are worthless

Why not? I could have reported you instead, but I didn't. I accuse people of being trolls when they troll me.

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:59 pm

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Double standard

I don't have double standards.
You attacked me, Rags and Sassy without any provocation Thor, Wolf simply joined the thread to troll as usual.
He certainly is the worst troll on this forum....I'm not sure how anyone with a brain can disagree with that simple statement.

I see in another post you have apologised...I accept that apology and unless the argument is carried on by you its forgotten.

You just proved you were being hypocritical by calling Wolf a troll

Either its wrong to be abusive, no matter if you think someone is something, or anything goes.

You also called me a drunk, when I do not drink
Andy claims I have mental health issues, by stating I need meds.
Horatrio uses pusedo bull, claiming I am effected by the moon
Lord Foul was sexist claiming I must be a woman by saying I am having PMT

Why is any of that acceptable?

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:00 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Two wrongs do not make a right and at least I did apologise.
Just because you receive abuse, does not mean you can retaliate back.
So you are not justified in your constant abuse and accusing people of being trolls.

Either the rules apply to all or they are worthless

Why not? I could have reported you instead, but I didn't. I accuse people of being trolls when they troll me.

Then you need to stop doing so.
You are by calling people that, itching for a fight.
All are welcome here and you are not the judge to classify anyone as a troll

by Raggamuffin Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:01 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why not? I could have reported you instead, but I didn't. I accuse people of being trolls when they troll me.

Then you need to stop doing so.
You are by calling people that, itching for a fight.
All are welcome here and you are not the judge to classify anyone as a troll

Why should I stop? They need to stop trolling, and it's them who are itching for a fight by trolling.

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:05 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Then you need to stop doing so.
You are by calling people that, itching for a fight.
All are welcome here and you are not the judge to classify anyone as a troll

Why should I stop? They need to stop trolling, and it's them who are itching for a fight by trolling.

Well you have no grounds to call anyone again, and doing so is deliberately trying to derail the thread by calling people names.
Next time you do, I will now report you until you learn.
At least I know when I am in the wrong and hence why I apologised, but the double standards from Eddie was pathetic.

by Raggamuffin Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:11 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why should I stop? They need to stop trolling, and it's them who are itching for a fight by trolling.

Well you have no grounds to call anyone again, and doing so is deliberately trying to derail the thread by calling people names.
Next time you do, I will now report you until you learn.
At least I know when I am in the wrong and hence why I apologised, but the double standards from Eddie was pathetic.

Yes I do - if they start trolling and bitching about me. The trouble with some of you chaps is that you like to dish it out, but you start crying if you get some back.

Report away - I'm sure the mods can see who starts the trouble, and it's not generally me. There's nothing I need to learn from you - it's you who needs to go back to school.

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Well you have no grounds to call anyone again, and doing so is deliberately trying to derail the thread by calling people names.
Next time you do, I will now report you until you learn.
At least I know when I am in the wrong and hence why I apologised, but the double standards from Eddie was pathetic.

Yes I do - if they start trolling and bitching about me. The trouble with some of you chaps is that you like to dish it out, but you start crying if you get some back.

Report away - I'm sure the mods can see who starts the trouble, and it's not generally me. There's nothing I need to learn from you - it's you who needs to go back to school.

You have no right to call people abusive names and have done so to me many times, when you dug a hole in a debate with me.

I can show them many examples where I have not been abusive and as soon as you are shown to be wrong, you invoke "troll accusation card"

You seem to think you are exonerated for your abuse when you call people names.

No you are not and its time you were brought to task. You often jump in where nothing has been said to you, simply to stir the pot.

I am far more educated than you and so what do you do, again act immature claiming I need to go to school
Clearly there is plenty for all of us to learn, to think you arrogantly cannot learn from people is a problem you have.

by Raggamuffin Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:19 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes I do - if they start trolling and bitching about me. The trouble with some of you chaps is that you like to dish it out, but you start crying if you get some back.

Report away - I'm sure the mods can see who starts the trouble, and it's not generally me. There's nothing I need to learn from you - it's you who needs to go back to school.

You have no right to call people abusive names and have done so to me many times, when you dug a hole in a debate with me.

I can show them many examples where I have not been abusive and as soon as you are shown to be wrong, you invoke "troll accusation card"

You seem to think you are exonerated for your abuse when you call people names.

No you are not and its time you were brought to task. You often jump in where nothing has been said to you, simply to stir the pot.

I am far more educated than you and so what do you do, again act immature claiming I need to go to school
Clearly there is plenty for all of us to learn, to think you arrogantly cannot learn from people is a problem you have.

I do if they get abusive first - which they generally do. I doubt you're more educated than me. You need to learn to control yourself.

Don't bother trying to bring me "to task". Women aren't your slaves you know, they don't roll over and do what you want.

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:24 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

You have no right to call people abusive names and have done so to me many times, when you dug a hole in a debate with me.

I can show them many examples where I have not been abusive and as soon as you are shown to be wrong, you invoke "troll accusation card"

You seem to think you are exonerated for your abuse when you call people names.

No you are not and its time you were brought to task. You often jump in where nothing has been said to you, simply to stir the pot.

I am far more educated than you and so what do you do, again act immature claiming I need to go to school
Clearly there is plenty for all of us to learn, to think you arrogantly cannot learn from people is a problem you have.

I do if they get abusive first - which they generally do. I doubt you're more educated than me. You need to learn to control yourself.

Don't bother trying to bring me "to task". Women aren't your slaves you know, they don't roll over and do what you want.

Again, no you do not and if the mods defend you being abusive, then it makes their rules meaningless.
As it takes two to fight.
If you engage in being abusive as well. Then you have no grounds for any defense.
As you have then become comparable to the person engaged in abusing you.

You then invoke a sexist charge on me, claiming I view women as slaves, even though on countless threads I stand up for women's rights.

So you just acted childish again, when you simple do not like people chastising you when you end up being wrong yourself and this is your issue.

Your inability to recognise when you can be wrong

I am simple being critical of you and you as seen, you cannot take it and fire off immature slants onto me.

Which shows its you again that would have the issue.

Again I apologized. The fact, you cannot for your abuse, speaks volumes, as two wrongs never make a right.

by Raggamuffin Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:32 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I do if they get abusive first - which they generally do. I doubt you're more educated than me. You need to learn to control yourself.

Don't bother trying to bring me "to task". Women aren't your slaves you know, they don't roll over and do what you want.

Again, no you do not and if the mods defend you being abusive, then it makes their rules meaningless.
As it takes two to fight.
If you engage in being abusive as well. Then you have no grounds for any defense.
As you have then become comparable to the person engaged in abusing you.

You then invoke a sexist charge on me, claiming I view women as slaves, even though on countless threads I stand up for women's rights.

So you just acted childish again, when you simple do not like people chastising you when you end up being wrong yourself and this is your issue.

Your inability to recognise when you can be wrong

I am simple being critical of you and you as seen, you cannot take it and fire off immature slants onto me.

Which shows its you again that would have the issue.

Again I apologized. The fact, you cannot for your abuse, speaks volumes, as two wrongs never make a right.

No, it takes one to start on me, and then I might reply in kind. If they don't like that, they shouldn't start on me. I have nothing to apologise for - you went mad and started ranting and raving for no reason. If you weren't drunk, you must have some other problem.

You do seem to enjoy telling women what to do, but they're not going to do what you want - get used to that.

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:39 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Again, no you do not and if the mods defend you being abusive, then it makes their rules meaningless.
As it takes two to fight.
If you engage in being abusive as well. Then you have no grounds for any defense.
As you have then become comparable to the person engaged in abusing you.

You then invoke a sexist charge on me, claiming I view women as slaves, even though on countless threads I stand up for women's rights.

So you just acted childish again, when you simple do not like people chastising you when you end up being wrong yourself and this is your issue.

Your inability to recognise when you can be wrong

I am simple being critical of you and you as seen, you cannot take it and fire off immature slants onto me.

Which shows its you again that would have the issue.

Again I apologized. The fact, you cannot for your abuse, speaks volumes, as two wrongs never make a right.

No, it takes one to start on me, and then I might reply in kind. If they don't like that, they shouldn't start on me. I have nothing to apologise for - you went mad and started ranting and raving for no reason. If you weren't drunk, you must have some other problem.

You do seem to enjoy telling women what to do, but they're not going to do what you want - get used to that.

If you reply being abusive, then you are as culpable and you have zero defense.
I am happy with what ever you throw at me Rags, as I am not bothered by names, but clearly some go crying to the mods over this.

You then invoke a charge again based on your gender, when I am critical of any views, no matter the gender of the individual who makes them.

Now that is a second time, you have made unfounded accusations and I am glad you have done so. As with each immature slant, you have shown your true colours here. That you clearly failed to accept my apology and now its you being immaturely abusive, making unfounded claims onto me. You also have zero accuse for doing so, when I have not been abusive to you this online this evening.

Thanks and I shall now leave people to see how bad you can be

All the best

by Raggamuffin Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:45 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

No, it takes one to start on me, and then I might reply in kind. If they don't like that, they shouldn't start on me. I have nothing to apologise for - you went mad and started ranting and raving for no reason. If you weren't drunk, you must have some other problem.

You do seem to enjoy telling women what to do, but they're not going to do what you want - get used to that.

If you reply being abusive, then you are as culpable and you have zero defense.
I am happy with what ever you throw at me Rags, as I am not bothered by names, but clearly some go crying to the mods over this.

You then invoke a charge again based on your gender, when I am critical of any views, no matter the gender of the individual who makes them.

Now that is a second time, you have made unfounded accusations and I am glad you have done so. As with each immature slant, you have shown your true colours here. That you clearly failed to accept my apology and now its you being immaturely abusive, making unfounded claims onto me

Thanks and I shall now leave people to see how bad you can be

All the best

I don't care if people think I'm "bad", I'm not always trying to impress others like you are, and I don't need back up like you do. You started the abuse, and then cried when I replied with a fairly mild insult. If you don't like that, don't start trouble.

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:47 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

If you reply being abusive, then you are as culpable and you have zero defense.
I am happy with what ever you throw at me Rags, as I am not bothered by names, but clearly some go crying to the mods over this.

You then invoke a charge again based on your gender, when I am critical of any views, no matter the gender of the individual who makes them.

Now that is a second time, you have made unfounded accusations and I am glad you have done so. As with each immature slant, you have shown your true colours here. That you clearly failed to accept my apology and now its you being immaturely abusive, making unfounded claims onto me

Thanks and I shall now leave people to see how bad you can be

All the best

I don't care if people think I'm "bad", I'm not always trying to impress others like you are, and I don't need back up like you do. You started the abuse, and then cried when I replied with a fairly mild insult. If you don't like that, don't start trouble.

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by Syl Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:42 pm

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:

I don't have double standards.
You attacked me, Rags and Sassy without any provocation Thor, Wolf simply joined the thread to troll as usual.
He certainly is the worst troll on this forum....I'm not sure how anyone with a brain can disagree with that simple statement.

I see in another post you have apologised...I accept that apology and unless the argument is carried on by you its forgotten.

You just proved you were being hypocritical by calling Wolf a troll

Either its wrong to be abusive, no matter if you think someone is something, or anything goes.

You also called me a drunk, when I do not drink
Andy claims I have mental health issues, by stating I need meds.
Horatrio uses pusedo bull, claiming I am effected by the moon
Lord Foul was sexist claiming I must be a woman by saying I am having PMT

Why is any of that acceptable?

Wolf is a troll...not even a good one, he posts utter shite then sits back and waits for a fallout, its not hypocritical to call a spade a spade.

I didn't call you a drunk, I asked if you were drunk. You started the thread and abused three of us who tried to answer, I thought it was a relevant question to ask at the time. I accepted your answer when you said you didn't drink.

I don't call you names, I enjoy our debates, but I wont be abused for no reason without retaliating Thor.
You apologised, I accepted, I am happy to leave it at that.

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:04 pm

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:

You just proved you were being hypocritical by calling Wolf a troll

Either its wrong to be abusive, no matter if you think someone is something, or anything goes.

You also called me a drunk, when I do not drink
Andy claims I have mental health issues, by stating I need meds.
Horatrio uses pusedo bull, claiming I am effected by the moon
Lord Foul was sexist claiming I must be a woman by saying I am having PMT

Why is any of that acceptable?

Wolf is a troll...not even a good one, he posts utter shite then sits back and waits for a fallout, its not hypocritical to call a spade a spade.

I didn't call you a drunk, I asked if you were drunk. You started the thread and abused three of us who tried to answer, I thought it was a relevant question to ask at the time. I accepted your answer when you said you didn't drink.

I don't call you names, I enjoy our debates, but I wont be abused for no reason without retaliating Thor.
You apologised, I accepted, I am happy to leave it at that.

Same thing sly on asking if I was drunk, which has been labelled of me, because I once a few years back did not cope well with losing two family members in quick succession. How is it acceptable, when known by some to then use this to attack me with, when I came to terms I was on self destruct mode? So no matter if I was abusive, how does that make your remarks acceptable to either myself or wolf?

Why do you and others think its acceptable to be abusive if abused?

Its not and I constantly rise above abuse thrown at me. I dont go running to admin since I have been back, because with some, they are buddies with some here on Facebook, rendering their impartiality suspect.

Again whether you dislike Wolf, as much as Rags dislikes me, does not excuse accusations made, no matter how you feel about a poster. Either abusive names are okay or wrong.

Tell me, would you teach any child this lesson, that two wrongs make a right?

So if you are abused, rise above, as I generally do, as seen here, where Rags again accused me of being drunk and even immaturely misogynistic. If you feel upset, then as seen go to the mods. As soon as you engage in abuse back, you render any claims to offended nullified.

Yes I did apologize Syl and how many apologized for their claims to mental health, PMT, being a drunk, on meds etc to me?

Zero.

I don't want or require any apology, I took most in jest and the comment I made to Rags about a lump of Coal. Ever watched "Ferris Bueller"?

"Cameron's so tight, that if you stuck a lump of coal up his ass, in 2 weeks it would turn into a diamond."

by Tommy Monk Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:08 pm

Thorin wrote:
eddie wrote:

Again. Didge you're stepping way over polite debate here.

I'm not going to sit back and have you abuse people. Got that?

Really?

When you step in and not tolerate people claiming I have mental health problems, take your meds, a drunk, a troll, effected by the moon, etc, etc, then your words will be valid, until then, they are meaningless Eddie.
Why is it acceptable to abuse me?

Again double standards

Seriously Didge... look at your own nasty posts and rotten behaviour first before trying to play the victim for posts made in reaction to your nasty posts/rotten behaviour!!!

by Tommy Monk Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:12 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I was entitled to reply in kind to you after your abuse. So much for your "apology".

Two wrongs do not make a right and at least I did apologise.
Just because you receive abuse, does not mean you can retaliate back.
So you are not justified in your constant abuse and accusing people of being trolls.

Either the rules apply to all or they are worthless

Ben has said many times that it is fair game to retaliate a bit against abusive comments...!!!

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:13 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Really?

When you step in and not tolerate people claiming I have mental health problems, take your meds, a drunk, a troll, effected by the moon, etc, etc, then your words will be valid, until then, they are meaningless Eddie.
Why is it acceptable to abuse me?

Again double standards

Seriously Didge... look at your own nasty posts and rotten behaviour first before trying to play the victim for posts made in reaction to your nasty posts/rotten behaviour!!!

Again, I accepted I was wrong and apologised

What I am proving without an shadow of doubt is the hypocrisy by some, more so than anything Eddie

So not claiming to be a victim and as i pointed out to Syl the abuse I received I took in jest. I am merely pointing out the double standards by some on here .

As to behavior, since when as my username dodge as you constantly call me?

Or calling people twats as you often do?

You see Tommy, I as seen admit when I as wrong, showing again you are being hypocritical

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:14 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Two wrongs do not make a right and at least I did apologise.
Just because you receive abuse, does not mean you can retaliate back.
So you are not justified in your constant abuse and accusing people of being trolls.

Either the rules apply to all or they are worthless

Ben has said many times that it is fair game to retaliate a bit against abusive comments...!!!

Which then means that I cannot be warned for any abuse

If any abuse is wrong, how can some be justified and others not?

Who is claiming what is acceptable or not?

A moderation team plagued by Political correctness?

by Syl Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:14 pm

Thor, I didn't know about your past, I don't make sly remarks hinting at things, I genuinely thought you were drunk because of the way you were talking to people...and Rags didn't start it you did, read back.

I don't dislike Wolf, I just think he is a troll and deal with him accordingly, mostly by ignoring him.

I would always teach a child not to allow people to speak to him/her in a derogatory way, and to treat other people with respect who deserve respect.

You did apologise, and I now apologise to you for asking if you were drunk when you have sorted problems out in the past and don't now drink.

We started off on here at each others throats...since then we have sorted out differences and I enjoy debating, I hope it carries on like that.

I would much rather enjoy posting with you than avoid posting with you. x

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:21 pm

Syl wrote:I didn't know about your past, I don't make sly remarks hinting at things, I genuinely thought you were drunk because of the way you were talking to people...and Rags didn't start it you did, read back.

I don't dislike Wolf, I just think he is a troll and deal with him accordingly, mostly by ignoring him.

I would always teach a child not to allow people to speak to him/her in a derogatory way, and to treat other people with respect who deserve respect.

You did apologise, and I now apologise to you for asking if you were drunk when you have sorted problems out in the past and don't now drink.

We started off on here at each others throats...since then we have sorted out differences and I enjoy debating, I hope it carries on like that.

I would much rather enjoy posting with you than avoid posting with you. x

Sorry Syl if both you call each other names, then nobody is right between you and I have often brought him to task for insulting you with unfounded abuse and accusations.

Syl I have nothing hateful against anyone, including Sassy, I just sadly think she fails to see the hate she promotes and hence I why I think she has lost the plot. Does it make my abuse to her acceptable?
No, but you will forgive me the fact, I have never forgiven her, since she never apologised to wishing my late father had lost the ability to conceive, so that I had never been born. Now I could care less she thought this of me, but two of my sisters were born after this, of which I pointed out and she thought hilarious, that they would not exists. One of them Louise had a rare condition and died as a baby. I am thankful she survived nearly a year. So sometimes I get annoyed and lash out. Its not an excuse and is wrong also, but I have no time for people like sassy, who's views are so contradiction and full of hate.

You have nothing to apologize for, though I will accept, even if not needed.

I respect you more than many, as you are at least honest.

I even respect Rags, because she is outspoken, I don't though when she acts childish.

xx

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:25 pm

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:I didn't know about your past, I don't make sly remarks hinting at things, I genuinely thought you were drunk because of the way you were talking to people...and Rags didn't start it you did, read back.

I don't dislike Wolf, I just think he is a troll and deal with him accordingly, mostly by ignoring him.

I would always teach a child not to allow people to speak to him/her in a derogatory way, and to treat other people with respect who deserve respect.

You did apologise, and I now apologise to you for asking if you were drunk when you have sorted problems out in the past and don't now drink.

We started off on here at each others throats...since then we have sorted out differences and I enjoy debating, I hope it carries on like that.

I would much rather enjoy posting with you than avoid posting with you. x

Sorry Syl if both you call each other names, then nobody is right between you and I have often brought him to task for insulting you with unfounded abuse and accusations.

Syl I have nothing against anyone, including Sassy, I just sadly think she fails to see the hate she promotes and hence I why I think she has lost the plot. Does it make my abuse to her acceptable?
No, but you will forgive me the fact, I have never forgiven her, since she never apologised to wishing my late father had lost the ability to conceive, so that I had never been born. Now I could care less she thought this of me, but two of my sisters were born after this, of which I pointed out and she thought hilarious, that they would not exists. One of them Louise had a rare condition and died as a baby. I am thankful she survived nearly a year. So sometimes I get annoyed and lash out. Its not an excuse and is wrong also, but I have no time for people like sassy, who's views are so contradiction and full of hate.

You have nothing to apologize for, though I will accept, even if not needed.

I respect you more than many, as you are at least honest.

I even respect Rags, because she is outspoken, I don't though when she acts childish.

xx

You are such a lying, manipulative son of bitch and your nose much have grown 10 ft.

Back on the roundabout, be vile, apologise, grovel but grovel in a manipulative manner while telling lies about others. The person who let you back after your ban must be up the fucking wall. Revolting man.

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:28 pm

sassy wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Sorry Syl if both you call each other names, then nobody is right between you and I have often brought him to task for insulting you with unfounded abuse and accusations.

Syl I have nothing against anyone, including Sassy, I just sadly think she fails to see the hate she promotes and hence I why I think she has lost the plot. Does it make my abuse to her acceptable?
No, but you will forgive me the fact, I have never forgiven her, since she never apologised to wishing my late father had lost the ability to conceive, so that I had never been born. Now I could care less she thought this of me, but two of my sisters were born after this, of which I pointed out and she thought hilarious, that they would not exists. One of them Louise had a rare condition and died as a baby. I am thankful she survived nearly a year. So sometimes I get annoyed and lash out. Its not an excuse and is wrong also, but I have no time for people like sassy, who's views are so contradiction and full of hate.

You have nothing to apologize for, though I will accept, even if not needed.

I respect you more than many, as you are at least honest.

I even respect Rags, because she is outspoken, I don't though when she acts childish.

xx

You are such a lying, manipulative son of bitch and your nose much have grown 10 ft.

Back on the roundabout, be vile, apologise, grovel but grovel in a manipulative manner while telling lies about others. The person who let you back after your ban must be up the fucking wall. Revolting man.

So you deny you said this on the forum that Victor ran?

You and Nems both laughed at the time, she later apologised for this. She finally saw past your hate.
So did the mods there when later many resigned because of your hate fest against me on that forum.
I respect Nems, even if at times we disagree.

So how am I lying, when you did say this and thought it was funny?

by Raggamuffin Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:49 pm

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:I didn't know about your past, I don't make sly remarks hinting at things, I genuinely thought you were drunk because of the way you were talking to people...and Rags didn't start it you did, read back.

I don't dislike Wolf, I just think he is a troll and deal with him accordingly, mostly by ignoring him.

I would always teach a child not to allow people to speak to him/her in a derogatory way, and to treat other people with respect who deserve respect.

You did apologise, and I now apologise to you for asking if you were drunk when you have sorted problems out in the past and don't now drink.

We started off on here at each others throats...since then we have sorted out differences and I enjoy debating, I hope it carries on like that.

I would much rather enjoy posting with you than avoid posting with you. x

Sorry Syl if both you call each other names, then nobody is right between you and I have often brought him to task for insulting you with unfounded abuse and accusations.

Syl I have nothing hateful against anyone, including Sassy, I just sadly think she fails to see the hate she promotes and hence I why I think she has lost the plot. Does it make my abuse to her acceptable?
No, but you will forgive me the fact, I have never forgiven her, since she never apologised to wishing my late father had lost the ability to conceive, so that I had never been born. Now I could care less she thought this of me, but two of my sisters were born after this, of which I pointed out and she thought hilarious, that they would not exists. One of them Louise had a rare condition and died as a baby. I am thankful she survived nearly a year. So sometimes I get annoyed and lash out. Its not an excuse and is wrong also, but I have no time for people like sassy, who's views are so contradiction and full of hate.

You have nothing to apologize for, though I will accept, even if not needed.

I respect you more than many, as you are at least honest.

I even respect Rags, because she is outspoken, I don't though when she acts childish.

xx

I don't how you can accuse me of being childish after your very immature insults in this thread. You're even carrying it on now - you must be very bored.

by Guest Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:49 pm

Thorin wrote:
sassy wrote:

You are such a lying, manipulative son of bitch and your nose much have grown 10 ft.

Back on the roundabout, be vile, apologise, grovel but grovel in a manipulative manner while telling lies about others. The person who let you back after your ban must be up the fucking wall. Revolting man.

So you deny you said this on the forum that Victor ran?

You and Nems both laughed at the time, she later apologised for this. She finally saw past your hate.
So did the mods there when later many resigned because of your hate fest against me on that forum.
I respect Nems, even if at times we disagree.

So how am I lying, when you did say this and thought it was funny?

You are a fucking liar, a weasel, a manipulative little scrote and there is definitely something very wrong with you. You carry on with your lies, I know they are lies and I'm the only one who has an opinion I care about. This from the man who said he was going to drive me to a nervous breakdown, not a chance in hell of that happening, because I know exactly what you are and I know how I am worth a million of you. You are quite simply an oily snake as disgusting as they come. You carry on, the only person you are hurting is yourself because your lies are so obvious. When is the next full moon?

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