Spice

by HoratioTarr Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:52 am

First topic message reminder :

Dead men and women were walking the streets of central Manchester this week.
Some of them, their faces wan and eyes open, but filled with a terrible vacancy, stumble forward with arms out-stretched.
Others stand stock-still like shop mannequins, seemingly unconscious but upright, or slumped forward, as commuters scurry past with their heads down.
There were still more I spotted comatose on pavements or slumped in doorways. One young man in a grey tracksuit lolled on the steps outside McDonald’s, twitching and gibbering to himself.

Outside the Arndale Shopping Centre, I saw another youth passed out on his back, his arms and legs extended into the air as if rigor mortis had set in.
These are the victims of Spice, a generic term for various mixtures of herbs and potent chemicals which, until last May, was openly on sale in Britain as a so-called ‘legal high’.
Now, a powerful strain has emerged that produces a terrifying zombie-like effect in those who smoke it. It is estimated that up to 95 per cent of the young homeless in Manchester are using it, many of them hopelessly addicted.
Drug experts are warning of a Spice epidemic that is spreading from the North-West, driving a wave of crime and casualties that the police and emergency services are struggling to cope with.
‘[Spice] has the physically addictive qualities of heroin and the psychologically addictive qualities of crack,’ says Robert Ralphs, senior lecturer in criminology at the University of Manchester and an expert on the drug.
The crisis came to national attention this week following the publication of video footage, shot by an office worker in Manchester, showing people under its influence.
Photographs published in the Mail, taken by a bus driver who was alarmed by what he was seeing along his route each day in Wrexham in North Wales, further underlined this developing threat.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4302806/Spice-synthetic-drug-turns-users-living-dead.html

by Raggamuffin Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:27 pm

Jules wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I don't lie... I don't exaggerate... and I don't make stuff up.[/b]

What would be the point of doing so here... on a little known/obscure and anonymous Internet forum such as this...!?

That might well be, .... but you have a deliberately obtuse style of debating, which is almost as bad as lying and inventing stuff. Usually a lie can be seen for what it is, by others, and can be fairly easily shown to be a lie. But your style of obtuseness is impenetrable, there is no way or thru it, or round it. You deliberately frustrate anyone who attempts to argue with you. IMO that is just as disingenuous as fibbing.

I will provide a typical example later, if I have time.

Please don't bother. It's an interesting discussion, and there's no need to start on Tommy.

by JulesV Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Jules wrote:

That might well be, .... but you have a deliberately obtuse style of debating, which is almost as bad as lying and inventing stuff. Usually a lie can be seen for what it is, by others, and can be fairly easily shown to be a lie. But your style of obtuseness is impenetrable, there is no way or thru it, or round it. You deliberately frustrate anyone who attempts to argue with you. IMO that is just as disingenuous as fibbing.

I will provide a typical example later, if I have time.

Please don't bother. It's an interesting discussion, and there's no need to start on Tommy.

Please don't order people around, madame ventriloquist.

Actually Tommy usually asks people to provide him with an example, hence why I said that.

by Raggamuffin Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:35 pm

Jules wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Please don't bother. It's an interesting discussion, and there's no need to start on Tommy.

Please don't order people around, madame ventriloquist.

Actually Tommy usually asks people to provide him with an example, hence why I said that.

It's not relevant to this thread. You're just being disruptive and vindictive.

by Tommy Monk Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:43 pm

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

I think they were yellow originally... and formula (and colour) was changed to stop them being injectable...

No idea. I'm going back about twenty years.

The incident i posted was around 92/93... and it was a couple years later that I heard the formula had been changed to an uninjectable one... That's probably when the colour changed too...

by JulesV Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:45 pm

Vindictive???? Tommy is the most 'likeable' of all the rightwingers here. He is the only one worth talking to, cos on a good day you can get some sense out of him. I don't dislike him at all.

Keep following me around like a flipping stalker, if you like, but I'm afraid you won't get any more attention from me today. You can always try your luck another time.

by JulesV Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:47 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Jules wrote:

Please don't order people around, madame ventriloquist.

Actually Tommy usually asks people to provide him with an example, hence why I said that.

It's not relevant to this thread. You're just being disruptive and vindictive.

Vindictive???? Tommy is the most 'likeable' of all the rightwingers here. He is the only one worth talking to, cos on a good day you can get some sense out of him. I don't dislike him at all.

Keep following me around like a flipping stalker, if you like, but I'm afraid you won't get any more attention from me today. You can always try your luck another time.

by Raggamuffin Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:49 pm

Jules wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It's not relevant to this thread. You're just being disruptive and vindictive.

Vindictive???? Tommy is the most 'likeable' of all the rightwingers here. He is the only one worth talking to, cos on a good day you can get some sense out of him. I don't dislike him at all.

Keep following me around like a flipping stalker, if you like, but I'm afraid you won't get any more attention from me today. You can always try your luck another time.

I'm glad you won't be replying. Now for once, just keep your beak out and shut up. I'm reading this thread with interest, and you taking it off course is pathetic.

by Tommy Monk Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:50 pm

Jules wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I don't lie... I don't exaggerate... and I don't make stuff up.[/b]

What would be the point of doing so here... on a little known/obscure and anonymous Internet forum such as this...!?

That might well be, .... but you have a deliberately obtuse style of debating, which is almost as bad as lying and inventing stuff. Usually a lie can be seen for what it is, by others, and can be fairly easily shown to be a lie. But your strange style of obtuseness is impenetrable, there is no way or thru it, or round it. You deliberately frustrate anyone who attempts to argue with you. IMO that is just as disingenuous as fibbing.

I will provide a typical example later, if I have time.

It's simply called 'telling the truth'!!!

Which always stands up to scrutiny/argument!!!

As will any other truth based statement/argument that is logical and well reasoned!!!

lol!

by Tommy Monk Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:57 pm

Thanks again Raggs!

And... I think that was nearly a compliment from Jules too...!?

Although... it has only ever been the illiberal 'progressive' lefties on here who label me as right/far right...

by JulesV Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:03 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Jules wrote:

Vindictive???? Tommy is the most 'likeable' of all the rightwingers here. He is the only one worth talking to, cos on a good day you can get some sense out of him. I don't dislike him at all.

Keep following me around like a flipping stalker, if you like, but I'm afraid you won't get any more attention from me today. You can always try your luck another time.

I'm glad you won't be replying. Now for once, just keep your beak out and shut up. I'm reading this thread with interest, and you taking it off course is pathetic.

Fuck off Raggs, your pedantic idiocy bores me rigid! You go on & on & on like a duracell battery. Spice - Page 2 1363015401

by JulesV Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:05 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Thanks again Raggs!

And... I think that was nearly a compliment from Jules too...!?

Although... it has only ever been the illiberal 'progressive' lefties on here who label me as right/far right...

Yes it was a compliment but I've decided to leave it there. I won't be giving a typical example of what I meant, it will probably keep for another day.

by Raggamuffin Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:05 pm

Jules wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm glad you won't be replying. Now for once, just keep your beak out and shut up. I'm reading this thread with interest, and you taking it off course is pathetic.

Fuck off Raggs, your pedantic idiocy bores me rigid! You go on & on & on like a duracell battery.

Oh dear, you replied. Your constant bitching and disruption are more boring than anything, so put a sock in it and at least post something interesting about the subject.

by JulesV Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:07 pm

Put that mirror down before you crack it all over again.

by eddie Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:10 pm

Oh shut up the pair of you. Rolling Eyes

You're both intelligent women, take it back to the topic please ladies.

by Raggamuffin Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:10 pm

Jules wrote:Put that mirror down before you crack it all over again.

Don't be so childish. You know you're in the wrong.

by Tommy Monk Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:41 pm

Jules wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I don't lie... I don't exaggerate... and I don't make stuff up.

What would be the point of doing so here... on a little known/obscure and anonymous Internet forum such as this...!?

That might well be, .... but you have a deliberately obtuse style of debating, which is almost as bad as lying and inventing stuff. Usually a lie can be seen for what it is, by others, and can be fairly easily shown to be a lie. But your style of obtuseness is impenetrable, there is no way or thru it, or round it. You deliberately frustrate anyone who attempts to argue with you. IMO that is just as disingenuous as fibbing.

I will provide a typical example later, if I have time.

Most amusing!!!

lol!

by eddie Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:52 pm

"Spice worse than heroin"

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/15/its-worse-than-heroin-how-spice-is-ravaging-homeless-communities?CMP=fb_gu

by Miffs2 Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:58 pm

eddie wrote:Oh shut up the pair of you.

You're both intelligent women, take it back to the topic please ladies.

To be fair Raggs was trying, and asking Jules to do the same. I'm reading this thread and it was interesting until AGAIN it has to be turned against Tommy.

by Tommy Monk Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:57 pm

I only speak the truth.

I always back up what I say with evidence and examples.

The truth will always stand up to scrutiny.

Read my sigs below.

by eddie Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:29 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

I only speak the truth.

I always back up what I say with evidence and examples.

The truth will always stand up to scrutiny.

Read my sigs below.

You're really patting yourself on the back tonight Tommy.
Nothin' like a bit of self-lovin' Razz

by Ben Reilly Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:32 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

I only speak the truth.

I always back up what I say with evidence and examples.

The truth will always stand up to scrutiny.

Read my sigs below.

Spice - Page 2 Oscar-wilde-dramatist-the-pure-and-simple-truth-is-rarely-pure-and

by eddie Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:48 pm

You took away his 'truth' dude.

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:05 am

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

I only speak the truth.

I always back up what I say with evidence and examples.

The truth will always stand up to scrutiny.

Read my sigs below.

You're really patting yourself on the back tonight Tommy.
Nothin' like a bit of self-lovin'

Yeah... I was thinking that I might even treat myself to a wank later...!

lol!

by veya_victaous Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:39 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Jules wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It's not relevant to this thread. You're just being disruptive and vindictive.

Vindictive???? Tommy is the most 'likeable' of all the rightwingers here. He is the only one worth talking to, cos on a good day you can get some sense out of him. I don't dislike him at all.

Keep following me around like a flipping stalker, if you like, but I'm afraid you won't get any more attention from me today. You can always try your luck another time.

I'm glad you won't be replying. Now for once, just keep your beak out and shut up. I'm reading this thread with interest, and you taking it off course is pathetic.

Raggs YOU SHUT UP
you are not a mod here and Your posting style is NOT appreciated

Jules Is perfectly Reasonable to post as she has

If you don't like it FUCK OFF

by veya_victaous Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:43 am

“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

it is Very Ironic that Tommy uses this quote Since in this Newtown was Profoundly wrong,
and As we have learnt more about the universe the truth has been shown to 'In the complex Multiplicity of the universe'

Typical Of Tommy though to treat the obsolete thoughts as current truths

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:50 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm glad you won't be replying. Now for once, just keep your beak out and shut up. I'm reading this thread with interest, and you taking it off course is pathetic.

Raggs YOU SHUT UP
you are not a mod here and Your posting style is NOT appreciated

Jules Is perfectly Reasonable to post as she has

If you don't like it FUCK OFF

A standard post from you yet again. Have you been hunting around for my posts again so you can screech at me? That post was made over a month ago. I'll reply to Jules as I see fit.

by eddie Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:56 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

I only speak the truth.

I always back up what I say with evidence and examples.

The truth will always stand up to scrutiny.

Read my sigs below.

You're really patting yourself on the back tonight Tommy.
Nothin' like a bit of self-lovin'

Yeah... I was thinking that I might even treat myself to a wank later...!

Good for you. Cool

by nicko Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:21 pm

Veya has too much of a temper to make a good Mod, he should be SACKED. Twisted Evil

by eddie Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:51 pm

nicko wrote:Veya has too much of a temper to make a good Mod, he should be SACKED.

You all give as good as you get. He's not done anything wrong as a moderator and he's answered you as a poster - you do all forget we are posters first.
I have a temper occasionally - so what?

by nicko Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:33 pm

Some one upsets him and what do we get? Threats to ban. No other Mod does this as much as he does. He acts like a spoilt child.

by Original Quill Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:11 pm

Hey nicko, take it up to news and announcements. Raggs said it:

Raggamuffin wrote:Now for once, just keep your beak out and shut up. I'm reading this thread with interest, and you taking it off course is pathetic.

I don't mean to be that rude to you, but otherwise...there's a place for this sort of thing.

by JulesV Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
eddie wrote:

You're really patting yourself on the back tonight Tommy.
Nothin' like a bit of self-lovin'

Yeah... I was thinking that I might even treat myself to a wank later...!

Before your ahem ... ''mass-debating'' session starts, don't forget to close the curtains first, rude boy, and be sure to keep the noise down to just a few decibels Or the neighbours will talk. Twisted Evil

And when you're done > >
Spice - Page 2 Il_340x270.1080759161_rano

by JulesV Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:56 pm

Don't worry guys, it's actually an OLD defunct thread which I had personally forgotten all about. Tommy is genuinely funny when he cracks jokes - always makes me giggle.

Hi to Veya, Quill, Eddie, hope you all enjoyed your easter break. I'll be back posting within a few days. xxx

by Original Quill Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:04 am

Jules wrote:Don't worry guys, it's actually an OLD defunct thread which I had personally forgotten all about.

Nope. My quote of Raggs is right up above us a few posts. And it's the same one that veya quoted.

Raggs is trying to throw you off with that line, you had to look that one up. It's right up a few Spice - Page 2 3408175593

by Raggamuffin Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:03 am

eddie wrote:
nicko wrote:Veya has too much of a temper to make a good Mod, he should be SACKED.

You all give as good as you get. He's not done anything wrong as a moderator and he's answered you as a poster - you do all forget we are posters first.
I have a temper occasionally - so what?

Oh, so he was just having a go at me as a poster, not a mod? In that case, he told me what I can and can't say on here, which he shouldn't be doing if he's posting as a poster - according to his own logic. Razz

by Raggamuffin Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:04 am

Original Quill wrote:Hey nicko, take it up to news and announcements. Raggs said it:

Raggamuffin wrote:Now for once, just keep your beak out and shut up. I'm reading this thread with interest, and you taking it off course is pathetic.

I don't mean to be that rude to you, but otherwise...there's a place for this sort of thing.

What are you talking about?

by Raggamuffin Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:04 am

Original Quill wrote:
Jules wrote:Don't worry guys, it's actually an OLD defunct thread which I had personally forgotten all about.

Nope. My quote of Raggs is right up above us a few posts. And it's the same one that veya quoted.

Raggs is trying to throw you off with that line, you had to look that one up. It's right up a few

Again, what are you talking about?

by Miffs2 Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:00 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Nope. My quote of Raggs is right up above us a few posts. And it's the same one that veya quoted.

Raggs is trying to throw you off with that line, you had to look that one up. It's right up a few

Again, what are you talking about?

I think the technical term is gibberish.

by Raggamuffin Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:08 am

Miffs2 wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Again, what are you talking about?

I think the technical term is gibberish.

by Original Quill Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:39 pm

Miffs2 wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Again, what are you talking about?

I think the technical term is gibberish.

When in doubt, act like the la-who-za-loser Spice - Page 2 3408175593

by Tommy Monk Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:11 pm

Jules wrote:Don't worry guys, it's actually an OLD defunct thread which I had personally forgotten all about. Tommy is genuinely funny when he cracks jokes - always makes me giggle.

Hi to Veya, Quill, Eddie, hope you all enjoyed your easter break. I'll be back posting within a few days. xxx

by eddie Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:24 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:
nicko wrote:Veya has too much of a temper to make a good Mod, he should be SACKED.

You all give as good as you get. He's not done anything wrong as a moderator and he's answered you as a poster - you do all forget we are posters first.
I have a temper occasionally - so what?

Oh, so he was just having a go at me as a poster, not a mod? In that case, he told me what I can and can't say on here, which he shouldn't be doing if he's posting as a poster - according to his own logic.

Well there are two distinct ways of posting depending on the hat you're wearing, so perhaps he can clarify.

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