Young offenders given a new excuse to use to avoid jail...

But only available to be used by the brown skinned ones...




Judges should consider whether a young criminal has suffered discrimination as an ethnic minority before deciding their sentence, under a new guideline.

The Sentencing Council for England and Wales says offending may be partly a product of discrimination and "negative experiences of authority".

It is the first guideline to stress discrimination as a youth crime factor.

Official statistics show that young people from minority backgrounds are over-represented in the justice system.

While national statistics show that ethnic minorities account for approximately 14% of the UK's population, the Youth Justice Board says a quarter of all young people arrested in the year to March 2016 were from these backgrounds - some 21,900 people.

The overall number of young offenders cautioned or convicted has been declining, but the rate of decrease has been slower for minority offenders.

'Underlying factors'

In the new guideline - which applies to all offenders aged between 10 and 17 - the council says that any sentence must aim to prevent them from committing another crime, while also taking into account the child's welfare.

"While the seriousness of the offence will be the starting point, the approach to sentencing should be individualistic and focused on the child or young person," states the guideline, which comes into force in June.

It stresses that sentencing judges and magistrates should take into account underlying factors, including the over-representation of black and minority ethnic children in the justice system.

"The factors contributing to this are complex," it says.

"One factor is that a significant proportion of looked-after children and young people are from a black and minority ethnic background.

"A further factor may be the experience of such children and young people in terms of discrimination and negative experiences of authority."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39187265



"It wasn't my fault I mugged the old woman, your honour, it was the discrimination that made me do it... and I once had a negative experience of authority..."


UNBELIEVABLE!!!

It's just an excuse to not put blame on them . Sickening .
What racist judges we have towards white people .

Also a way to try to change the high levels of blacks and Muslims in prison compared to percentage in general population.


Blacks and Muslims are hugely and disproportionately over-represented in prison.

Absurd - a crime is a crime, and is the responsibility of the perpetrator. There might be mitigating circumstances, but they should apply to everyone, not just people who aren't white.

It sounds as though the guideline is just saying that during sentencing of youth offenders, mitigating factors should be considered, and in the case of minority youth offenders, such factors might include experiences in which they were treated worse than a white offender would have been.

Ben Reilly wrote:It sounds as though the guideline is just saying that during sentencing of youth offenders, mitigating factors should be considered, and in the case of minority youth offenders, such factors might include experiences in which they were treated worse than a white offender would have been.

Worse in what way and at what point?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:It sounds as though the guideline is just saying that during sentencing of youth offenders, mitigating factors should be considered, and in the case of minority youth offenders, such factors might include experiences in which they were treated worse than a white offender would have been.

Worse in what way and at what point?

If they were treated more roughly, rudely, etc. during the arrest and detainment stage, mainly.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Worse in what way and at what point?

If they were treated more roughly, rudely, etc. during the arrest and detainment stage, mainly.

I don't think it does mean that tbh.

The Sentencing Council for England and Wales says offending may be partly a product of discrimination and "negative experiences of authority".

The implication is that some people might commit crimes because of discrimination and bad experiences with authority. There might be a lot of reasons that white people commit crimes too, so it's a bit unfair to treat non-white people more favourably.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Worse in what way and at what point?

If they were treated more roughly, rudely, etc. during the arrest and detainment stage, mainly.

I don't think it does mean that tbh.

The Sentencing Council for England and Wales says offending may be partly a product of discrimination and "negative experiences of authority".

The implication is that some people might commit crimes because of discrimination and bad experiences with authority. There might be a lot of reasons that white people commit crimes too, so it's a bit unfair to treat non-white people more favourably.

I don't think that's what it's doing:

In the new guideline - which applies to all offenders aged between 10 and 17 - the council says that any sentence must aim to prevent them from committing another crime, while also taking into account the child's welfare.

"While the seriousness of the offence will be the starting point, the approach to sentencing should be individualistic and focused on the child or young person," states the guideline, which comes into force in June.

It stresses that sentencing judges and magistrates should take into account underlying factors

You'd think that a negative experience of authority would make them less likely to commit a crime really.

Raggamuffin wrote:You'd think that a negative experience of authority would make them less likely to commit a crime really.

Well, I understand that you would think that, but if you read up on criminal justice, most people who study it actually believe that the more harshly people are treated, the worse the outcome in terms of criminality.

From the criminal justice system to school shooters, from Brexit to Trump -- when people feel powerless and pushed around, they're more apt to do something ill-advised and destructive, even if they're in the wrong.

I see this more as an opportunity for some offenders to get lighter sentencing by playing the race card by claiming some fictitious discrimination for being responsible for their crimes.


And of course the result will be that they will all be trying to use it...


Creating a two tier and discriminatory sentencing policy against whites.


White = no excuses = throw the book at them.

Non white = play the race card = seen as the victim = lighter sentence.


Now that's equality for you... isn't it!!!???

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't think it does mean that tbh.



The implication is that some people might commit crimes because of discrimination and bad experiences with authority. There might be a lot of reasons that white people commit crimes too, so it's a bit unfair to treat non-white people more favourably.

I don't think that's what it's doing:

In the new guideline - which applies to all offenders aged between 10 and 17 - the council says that any sentence must aim to prevent them from committing another crime, while also taking into account the child's welfare.

"While the seriousness of the offence will be the starting point, the approach to sentencing should be individualistic and focused on the child or young person," states the guideline, which comes into force in June.

It stresses that sentencing judges and magistrates should take into account underlying factors

That is exactly how I am reading this and its clear they are focusing this on young offenders, ie children.

Its clear the seriousness of the offense is taken into consideration first and then look at with a focus individualistic.

Fail to see why people are kicking up a fuss to be honest.

Tommy Monk wrote:I see this more as an opportunity for some offenders to get lighter sentencing by playing the race card by claiming some fictitious discrimination for being responsible for their crimes.


And of course the result will be that they will all be trying to use it...


Creating a two tier and discriminatory sentencing policy against whites.


White = no excuses = throw the book at them.

Non white = play the race card = seen as the victim = lighter sentence.


Now that's equality for you... isn't it!!!???

You think the courts would just let them make up a sob story to get out of punishment?

Do you not realize that the courts get a sob story from every single offender they process?

Man, those blinders are really hampering your critical thinking skills.

Come on Didge... I thought you were against the idea that some got lighter/heavier sentences for the same crimes because of skin colour...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:Come on Didge... I thought you were against the idea that some got lighter/heavier sentences for the same crimes because of skin colour...!?

Does it say on skin colour?

It says individualistic to me.

Did you not read the op...!?


First line...


"...Judges should consider whether a young criminal has suffered discrimination as an ethnic minority before deciding their sentence, under a new guideline..."

Tommy Monk wrote:Did you not read the op...!?


First line...


"...Judges should consider whether a young criminal has suffered discrimination as an ethnic minority before deciding their sentence, under a new guideline..."

Well I am from an Irish/Maltese/Sicilian ethnicity, about as a minority as you can get in the UK.
What is my skin colour?
White
So again it does not say skin colour, and states individualistic.
It just shows many different examples of what this could constitute.

Like I said, this is a non-story, only someone with racial motives would post up, because he failed to read the entire article

From the op...


"...It stresses that sentencing judges and magistrates should take into account underlying factors, including the over-representation of black and minority ethnic children in the justice system..."

Tommy Monk wrote:From the op...


"...It stresses that sentencing judges and magistrates should take into account underlying factors, including the over-representation of black and minority ethnic children in the justice system..."

And, how is that skin colour, it says black and minority ethnic children, which includes whites.

Which is again just one of numerous individualistic aspects being made here

"The guidelines go on to tell judges and magistrates to take into account a youth's mental and educational development, emotional volatility and whether they were from a poor background or grew up around other offenders."

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:It's just an excuse to not put blame on them . Sickening .
What racist judges we have towards white people .

Perhaps the thought behind it is, when shitty things happen to people it makes them sometimes do shitty things to others.

pfft...I'd ship the bloody lot of em out on the first available mars slave pit transport going...call em colonists

Lord Foul wrote:pfft...I'd ship the bloody lot of em out on the first available mars slave pit transport going...call em colonists

Yes I am sure you would ship 10 year olds for stealing because they were hungry.

Go back a few centuries and they were hanging children for stealing.

eddie wrote:

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:It's just an excuse to not put blame on them . Sickening .
What racist judges we have towards white people .

Perhaps the thought behind it is, when shitty things happen to people it makes them sometimes do shitty things to others.

Well no - "it" doesn't make them do shitty things. It's a bit of a leftie idea really - excuse someone for doing something to a totally innocent person because some other person wasn't very nice to them.

Thorin wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:pfft...I'd ship the bloody lot of em out on the first available mars slave pit transport going...call em colonists

Yes I am sure you would ship 10 year olds for stealing because they were hungry.

Go back a few centuries and they were hanging children for stealing.

where do you think aussies come from?

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Perhaps the thought behind it is, when shitty things happen to people it makes them sometimes do shitty things to others.

Well no - "it" doesn't make them do shitty things. It's a bit of a leftie idea really - excuse someone for doing something to a totally innocent person because some other person wasn't very nice to them.

Its not lefty at all, when you look at this from a criminology aspect.
It starts young in people, where they are led down certain paths.
Certain things they may have happened to them, may well have set them down that path.
Again this is not taking away the seriousness of the case, but at least taking into account, how and why children and young people may have committed a crime.

Again its people wrongly reading into this, not taking into account, the very fact they are all minors.

Lord Foul wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Yes I am sure you would ship 10 year olds for stealing because they were hungry.

Go back a few centuries and they were hanging children for stealing.

where do you think aussies come from?

Immigration and convict ships.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Perhaps the thought behind it is, when shitty things happen to people it makes them sometimes do shitty things to others.

Well no - "it" doesn't make them do shitty things. It's a bit of a leftie idea really - excuse someone for doing something to a totally innocent person because some other person wasn't very nice to them.

Lots of white British kids have bad childhoods , it is never an excuse to do bad things and expect to get away with it . We could all use that excuse as we all at some time have gone through a hard time .

eddie wrote:

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:It's just an excuse to not put blame on them . Sickening .
What racist judges we have towards white people .

Perhaps the thought behind it is, when shitty things happen to people it makes them sometimes do shitty things to others.

Even if it does there shouldn't be special treatment . Colour of skin shouldn't be treated differently - isn't this what we are all being force fed that we are all the same , so why single one colour out and make excuses for bad behaviour .

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well no - "it" doesn't make them do shitty things. It's a bit of a leftie idea really - excuse someone for doing something to a totally innocent person because some other person wasn't very nice to them.

Lots of white British kids have bad childhoods , it is never an excuse to do bad things and expect to get away with it . We could all use that excuse as we all at some time have gone through a hard time .

I agee with you Vod, there should be no excuses for committing a crime, whether black, white or bloody green. Commit the crime, do the time.

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well no - "it" doesn't make them do shitty things. It's a bit of a leftie idea really - excuse someone for doing something to a totally innocent person because some other person wasn't very nice to them.

Lots of white British kids have bad childhoods , it is never an excuse to do bad things and expect to get away with it . We could all use that excuse as we all at some time have gone through a hard time .

At no point in the article does it claim to be an excuse or to get away with things.

"In the new guideline - which applies to all offenders aged between 10 and 17 - the council says that any sentence must aim to prevent them from committing another crime, while also taking into account the child's welfare.

"While the seriousness of the offence will be the starting point, the approach to sentencing should be individualistic and focused on the child or young person," states the guideline, which comes into force in June.

It stresses that sentencing judges and magistrates should take into account underlying factors"

The article is pretty clear in the intentions.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Perhaps the thought behind it is, when shitty things happen to people it makes them sometimes do shitty things to others.

Well no - "it" doesn't make them do shitty things. It's a bit of a leftie idea really - excuse someone for doing something to a totally innocent person because some other person wasn't very nice to them.

Its not lefty at all, when you look at this from a criminology aspect.
It starts young in people, where they are led down certain paths.
Certain things they may have happened to them, may well have set them down that path.
Again this is not taking away the seriousness of the case, but at least taking into account, how and why children and young people may have committed a crime.

Again its people wrongly reading into this, not taking into account, the very fact they are all minors.

See, you just proved that today, the idea really is pretty "leftie" -- as it relies on facts and evidence rather than on emotion. These days, the left is Apollonian and the right is Dionysian, and you can see examples of that in practically any political issue you care to examine.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Its not lefty at all, when you look at this from a criminology aspect.
It starts young in people, where they are led down certain paths.
Certain things they may have happened to them, may well have set them down that path.
Again this is not taking away the seriousness of the case, but at least taking into account, how and why children and young people may have committed a crime.

Again its people wrongly reading into this, not taking into account, the very fact they are all minors.

See, you just proved that today, the idea really is pretty "leftie" -- as it relies on facts and evidence rather than on emotion. These days, the left is Apollonian and the right is Dionysian, and you can see examples of that in practically any political issue you care to examine.

Well considering I am not a leftist, kind of flaws your hypothesis.
You can find people with reason on both left and right.
There are many people right wing minded that go off facts.
Its not something which is inclusive to one camp. As are you claiming all scientists are lefties?

Thorin wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Its not lefty at all, when you look at this from a criminology aspect.
It starts young in people, where they are led down certain paths.
Certain things they may have happened to them, may well have set them down that path.
Again this is not taking away the seriousness of the case, but at least taking into account, how and why children and young people may have committed a crime.

Again its people wrongly reading into this, not taking into account, the very fact they are all minors.

See, you just proved that today, the idea really is pretty "leftie" -- as it relies on facts and evidence rather than on emotion. These days, the left is Apollonian and the right is Dionysian, and you can see examples of that in practically any political issue you care to examine.

Well considering I am not a leftist, kind of flaws your hypothesis.
You can find people with reason on both left and right.
There are many people right wing minded that go off facts.
Its not something which is inclusive to one camp. As are you claiming all scientists are lefties?

Please don't misunderstand me -- I'm not trying to tell you personally what your politics are. I'm speaking generally.

Notice how often on this site (and probably others) people call you, personally, a lefty? In general, the right sees science as a leftist trick these days.

As far as all scientists being lefties: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/02/18/why-are-scientists-so-often-liberal-in-political-outlook/#.WMBg931tmUk

Just like teaching, science isn't a field that appeals to as many right-wingers. I can't find that one good link, but if you research it a bit, you'll find that conservatives tend to be attracted more to fields like business, finance, economics, etc. The only scientific field I found that was popular among conservatives was fossil fuels, and that is really more of a business than a science.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Well considering I am not a leftist, kind of flaws your hypothesis.
You can find people with reason on both left and right.
There are many people right wing minded that go off facts.
Its not something which is inclusive to one camp. As are you claiming all scientists are lefties?

Please don't misunderstand me -- I'm not trying to tell you personally what your politics are. I'm speaking generally.

Notice how often on this site (and probably others) people call you, personally, a lefty? In general, the right sees science as a leftist trick these days.

As far as all scientists being lefties: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/02/18/why-are-scientists-so-often-liberal-in-political-outlook/#.WMBg931tmUk

Just like teaching, science isn't a field that appeals to as many right-wingers. I can't find that one good link, but if you research it a bit, you'll find that conservatives tend to be attracted more to fields like business, finance, economics, etc. The only scientific field I found that was popular among conservatives was fossil fuels, and that is really more of a business than a science.

I am never concerned how people class me in what camp. I know where I stand on many issues.
Your link only amounted to just over half Ben, but that is based on the US, where in the UK the Conservatives are more comparable to the Democrats. So to many here, the Democrats are center right. Which based on how we view left and right. Would mean more on the center Right, that use facts and reasons.
I mean, do many Democrats class themselves as left wing?
You kind of did an own goal there mate.

Full disclosure -- I don't really care about the UK.

Ben Reilly wrote:Full disclosure -- I don't really care about the UK.

Okay, how many Democrats consider themselves left wing or center right?
I bet its the later, which would thus swing to people of center right views using facts and reason.

magica wrote:

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:

Lots of white British kids have bad childhoods , it is never an excuse to do bad things and expect to get away with it . We could all use that excuse as we all at some time have gone through a hard time .

I agee with you Vod, there should be no excuses for committing a crime, whether black, white or bloody green. Commit the crime, do the time.

I agree!

Thorin wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:Full disclosure -- I don't really care about the UK.

Okay, how many Democrats consider themselves left wing or center right?
I bet its the later, which would thus swing to people of center right views using facts and reason.

The Democrats are universally recognized as the largest center-left party in the U.S.

Thorin wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:Full disclosure -- I don't really care about the UK.

Okay, how many Democrats consider themselves left wing or center right?
I bet its the later, which would thus swing to people of center right views using facts and reason.

Umm you would hugely lose that bet
Yeah Most people don't believe the anti leftie Bullshit Lord foul and the like promote
As I keep telling you that is not leftism that is Britishness


@OP
The funniest thing is that the White Kids are getting away with out punishment Currently, Cause the police or the judge will go 'boys will be boys' and favor giving them a second chance, that is why there is he over representation cause the black kid gets thrown to the ground by the copper not questions or chance given and the judge treats him as just another ethnic criminal. It is a proven fact that on average white police and judges have less empathy for non-white offenders.
Again this is just useless lazy racists crying because they aren't getting to keep their unfair racial derived advantages

How would I lose that bet?

Again has anyone actually polled Democrat supporters of Politicians?

Ben Reilly wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Its not lefty at all, when you look at this from a criminology aspect.
It starts young in people, where they are led down certain paths.
Certain things they may have happened to them, may well have set them down that path.
Again this is not taking away the seriousness of the case, but at least taking into account, how and why children and young people may have committed a crime.

Again its people wrongly reading into this, not taking into account, the very fact they are all minors.

See, you just proved that today, the idea really is pretty "leftie" -- as it relies on facts and evidence rather than on emotion. These days, the left is Apollonian and the right is Dionysian, and you can see examples of that in practically any political issue you care to examine.

Ragg's, Tommy and VoD only confirm what I've thought about them ever since watching those slimebags slithering their way across this forum...

That whole little gang is a rancid bunch of racist, uncaring, unfeeling, hard-hearted and unthinking fascist  s..   As for the idiotic shite being spouted on here about "lefties", that only goes to show what totally clueless nongs they really are.

Note the purely race-based arguments that those three odious creatures use on this thread, against any points that Ben or Thorin are discussing ? No actual reasoning from the racist floptards..

People like them should never be allowed to breed in the first place...

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

See, you just proved that today, the idea really is pretty "leftie" -- as it relies on facts and evidence rather than on emotion. These days, the left is Apollonian and the right is Dionysian, and you can see examples of that in practically any political issue you care to examine.

Ragg's, Tommy and VoD only confirm what I've thought about them ever since watching those slimebags slithering their way across this forum...

That whole little gang is a rancid bunch of racist, uncaring, unfeeling, hard-hearted and unthinking fascist  s..   As for the idiotic shite being spouted on here about "lefties", that only goes to show what totally clueless nongs they really are.

Note the purely race-based arguments that those three odious creatures use on this thread, against any points that Ben or Thorin are discussing ?    No actual reasoning from the racist floptards..

People like them should never be allowed to breed in the first place...

Did your parachute fail to open Wolfman? Never mind, I'm sure the injuries will heal eventually, and you'll be in a better mood.

Go and lie down Wolfie, nurse will be along shorty with your Valium !

Raggamuffin wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


Ragg's, Tommy and VoD only confirm what I've thought about them ever since watching those slimebags slithering their way across this forum...

That whole little gang is a rancid bunch of racist, uncaring, unfeeling, hard-hearted and unthinking fascist  s..   As for the idiotic shite being spouted on here about "lefties", that only goes to show what totally clueless nongs they really are.

Note the purely race-based arguments that those three odious creatures use on this thread, against any points that Ben or Thorin are discussing ?    No actual reasoning from the racist floptards..

People like them should never be allowed to breed in the first place...

Did your parachute fail to open Wolfman? Never mind, I'm sure the injuries will heal eventually, and you'll be in a better mood.

I really don't understand this persons behaviour its such a shame that a human being can be so vile .
Yesterday my dad's brother died from a massive brain haemorrhage while my dad lies in a hospital bed with Parkinson's and dementia and recovering from two serious infections . My uncle and my dad both loved life and were the most beautiful easy going people . I just think its a shame that wolfie behaves so badly .
Surly he isn't like this is real life and its just a a pass time for him .
I would love to see the nice to him I'm sure he has one , doesn't everyone have a nice side

He's just a little boy who gets a hard on by acting tough !

veya_victaous wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Okay, how many Democrats consider themselves left wing or center right?
I bet its the later, which would thus swing to people of center right views using facts and reason.

Umm you would hugely lose that bet
Yeah Most people don't believe the anti leftie Bullshit Lord foul and the like promote
As I keep telling you that is not leftism that is Britishness


@OP
The funniest thing is that the White Kids are getting away with out punishment Currently, Cause the police or the judge will go 'boys will be boys' and favor giving them a second chance, that is why there is he over representation cause the black kid gets thrown to the ground by the copper not questions or chance given and the judge treats him as just another ethnic criminal. It is a proven fact that on average white police and judges have less empathy for non-white offenders.
Again this is just useless lazy racists crying because they aren't getting to keep their unfair racial derived advantages

From the op...


"...statistics show that ethnic minorities account for approximately 14% of the UK's population, the Youth Justice Board says a quarter of all young people arrested in the year to March 2016 were from these backgrounds..."


And if you drill down further in the which ethnic minorities are actually the main driving factor of these figures... you will see it is black youth and Muslim Asians...

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


Ragg's, Tommy and VoD only confirm what I've thought about them ever since watching those slimebags slithering their way across this forum...

That whole little gang is a rancid bunch of racist, uncaring, unfeeling, hard-hearted and unthinking fascist  s..   As for the idiotic shite being spouted on here about "lefties", that only goes to show what totally clueless nongs they really are.

Note the purely race-based arguments that those three odious creatures use on this thread, against any points that Ben or Thorin are discussing ?    No actual reasoning from the racist floptards..

People like them should never be allowed to breed in the first place...

Did your parachute fail to open Wolfman? Never mind, I'm sure the injuries will heal eventually, and you'll be in a better mood.

I really don't understand this persons behaviour its such a shame that a human being can be so vile .
Yesterday my dad's  brother died from a massive brain haemorrhage while my dad lies in a hospital bed with Parkinson's and dementia and recovering from  two serious infections . My uncle and my dad both loved life and were the most beautiful easy going people  . I just think its a shame that wolfie behaves so badly .
Surly he isn't like this is real life and its just a a pass time for him .
I would love to see the nice to him I'm sure he has one , doesn't everyone have a nice side  

I'm very sorry to hear of the sad news about your uncle xx