New Research Confirms That The “Global Warming Hiatus” Is a Myth

• Independent data pulled from a combination of satellites, robotic floats, and ocean buoys has confirmed a 2015 study that disproved the "global warming hiatus."
  
  
• This confirmation bolsters the already sound argument that climate change is not slowing down, emphasizing our need to find clean-energy alternatives to fossil fuels.
  

Tommy Monk wrote:No... you look up independent information on any of my claims and then tell me any one of them that is wrong...!?

1		Climate's changed before			4.3%				past
2		It's the sun			4.3%				sun
3		It's not bad			4.0%				impacts
4		There is no consensus			3.2%				consensus
5		It's cooling			3.1%				cooling
6		Models are unreliable			2.9%				model
7		Temp record is unreliable			2.4%				temp
8		Animals and plants can adapt			2.2%				species
9		It hasn't warmed since 1998			2.0%				1998
10		Antarctica is gaining ice			1.8%				antarctica
11		CO2 lags temperature			1.8%				lag
12		Ice age predicted in the 70s			1.8%				1970s
13		Climate sensitivity is low			1.7%				sensitivity
14		We're heading into an ice age			1.7%				iceage
15		Ocean acidification isn't serious			1.7%				acid
16		Hockey stick is broken			1.7%				hockey
17		Climategate CRU emails suggest conspiracy			1.6%				climategate
18		Hurricanes aren't linked to global warming			1.5%				hurricane
19		Al Gore got it wrong			1.5%				gore
20		Glaciers are growing			1.5%				glacier
21		It's cosmic rays			1.5%				cosmic
22		1934 - hottest year on record			1.4%				1934
23		It's freaking cold!			1.3%				cold
24		Extreme weather isn't caused by global warming			1.3%				extreme
25		Sea level rise is exaggerated			1.3%				sealevel
26		It's Urban Heat Island effect			1.2%				uhi
27		Medieval Warm Period was warmer			1.1%				mwp
28		Mars is warming			1.1%				mars
29		Arctic icemelt is a natural cycle			1.1%				arcticcycle
30		Increasing CO2 has little to no effect			1.1%				greenhouse
31		Oceans are cooling			1.0%				oceanheat
32		It's a 1500 year cycle			1.0%				1500cycle
33		Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions			0.9%				co2
34		IPCC is alarmist			0.9%				underestimat
35		Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas			0.9%				vapor
36		Polar bear numbers are increasing			0.9%				bear
37		CO2 limits will harm the economy			0.8%				economy
38		It's not happening			0.8%				warming
39		Greenland was green			0.8%				green
40		Greenland is gaining ice			0.8%				greenland
41		CO2 is not a pollutant			0.8%				pollutant
42		CO2 is plant food			0.7%				plant
43		There's no empirical evidence			0.7%				evidence
44		Other planets are warming			0.7%				planets
45		It's clouds			0.7%
46		Arctic sea ice has recovered			0.7%				arctic
47		There's no correlation between CO2 and temperature			0.6%				correlate
48		We're coming out of the Little Ice Age			0.6%				lia
49		It cooled mid-century			0.6%				midcentury
50		Global warming stopped in 1998, 1995, 2002, 2007, 2010, ????			0.6%				stopped
51		CO2 was higher in the past			0.6%				pastco2
52		It warmed before 1940 when CO2 was low			0.6%				pre1940
53		Satellites show no warming in the troposphere			0.6%				troposphere
54		It's aerosols			0.5%				aerosols
55		2009-2010 winter saw record cold spells			0.5%				winter
56		It's El Niño			0.5%				elnino
57		Mt. Kilimanjaro's ice loss is due to land use			0.5%				kilimanjaro
58		It's not us			0.5%				agw
59		It's Pacific Decadal Oscillation			0.5%				pdo
60		It's a natural cycle			0.5%				cycle
61		There's no tropospheric hot spot			0.5%				hotspot
62		IPCC were wrong about Himalayan glaciers			0.4%				himalaya
63		Scientists can't even predict weather			0.4%				weather
64		2nd law of thermodynamics contradicts greenhouse theory			0.4%				thermo
65		Greenhouse effect has been falsified			0.4%				falsify
66		Clouds provide negative feedback			0.4%				cloud
67		CO2 limits will hurt the poor			0.4%				poor
68		The science isn't settled			0.4%				settled
69		Sea level rise predictions are exaggerated			0.4%				seapredict
70		It's the ocean			0.4%				ocean
71		IPCC were wrong about Amazon rainforests			0.4%				amazon
72		Corals are resilient to bleaching			0.4%				bleach
73		CO2 effect is saturated			0.4%				saturate
74		Volcanoes emit more CO2 than humans			0.3%				volcano
75		Greenland ice sheet won't collapse			0.3%				icecollapse
76		CO2 is just a trace gas			0.3%				trace
77		It's methane			0.3%				methane
78		500 scientists refute the consensus			0.3%				500
79		CO2 has a short residence time			0.3%				residence
80		Humidity is falling			0.3%				humidity
81		CO2 measurements are suspect			0.3%				co2data
82		Neptune is warming			0.3%				neptune
83		Springs aren't advancing			0.3%				spring
84		Jupiter is warming			0.3%				jupiter
85		It's land use			0.3%				landuse
86		Scientists tried to 'hide the decline' in global temperature			0.3%				decline
87		CO2 is not increasing			0.3%				co2up
88		Record snowfall disproves global warming			0.3%				snowfall
89		They changed the name from 'global warming' to 'climate change'			0.3%				name
90		Solar Cycle Length proves its the sun			0.2%				scl
91		Peer review process was corrupted			0.2%				peerreview
92		CO2 is not the only driver of climate			0.2%				driver
93		CO2 is coming from the ocean			0.2%				oceanco2
94		Pluto is warming			0.2%				pluto
95		IPCC overestimate temperature rise			0.2%				overestimate
96		Renewable energy is too expensive			0.2%				expensive
97		Arctic was warmer in 1940			0.2%				arctic1940
98		Southern sea ice is increasing			0.2%				southice
99		Sea level rise is decelerating			0.2%				sealevelrise
100		CO2 limits will make little difference

Tommy Monk wrote:No... you look up independent information on any of my claims and then tell me any one of them that is wrong...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:No... you look up independent information on any of my claims and then tell me any one of them that is wrong...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Your spam wall of waffle means nothing...


If you are unable to debate the points themselves then it shows you don't really understand any of it or know anything about any of it...

Tommy Monk wrote:

eddie wrote:

No mate. They're really not.

I have provided the facts numerous times on multiple threads...


Temperatures have always changed over millions of years...


We have returned to normal temperatures from a cold period...


Co2 levels have varied wildly in the past and been higher during colder periods as well as lower during warmer periods...


Co2 levels have hardly changed at all over the last few millenia...


The heat we have here on earth is from the Sun... and the sun does not always give out the same amount of heat... also, the distance of earth from sun is not always the same either!!!

nicko wrote:I read somewhere,[ don't ask where] that although the ice In the Artic is retreating, the ice in the ant-artic is advancing.   just asking did any one else read it?

It could have been the other way round?

Tommy Monk wrote:

I have provided the facts numerous times on multiple threads...


Temperatures have always changed over millions of years...


We have returned to normal temperatures from a cold period...


Co2 levels have varied wildly in the past and been higher during colder periods as well as lower during warmer periods...


Co2 levels have hardly changed at all over the last few millenia...


The heat we have here on earth is from the Sun... and the sun does not always give out the same amount of heat... also, the distance of earth from sun is not always the same either!!!

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy you have proved nothing but how Stupid you are.
that is all
you are an idiot.

we cannot engage you in this discussion because you lack even basic scientific concepts and just post crap from blogs that if you spent a little bit of time researching you'd know are highly discredited (read 'are bullshit') already!!!

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Can you not debate a subject without abusing other members of the forum?

Someone who disputes what's being said about global warming isn't necessarily uncaring, greedy, or lily-livered - they just disagree with you.

No they would be generally uncaring to not think about the future of this plant

Tommy Monk wrote:

Oh... and...

"...According to a continuous study conducted by the NASA's Goddard institute, the Earth's average global temperature has risen by 0.8 degrees Celsius or 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880..."


Now... I wonder where that bit of scientific data came from...!?

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Thorin wrote:


No they would be generally uncaring to not think about the future of this plant

One thing I will say for Ragamuffin...

She nearly always succeeds in placing the 'principles' of corporate greed and shareholder returns well ahead of a healthier environment, the "common good", and humanity's future..

Showing where her true loyalties lie.

Ancient air bubbles trapped in ice enable us to step back in time and see what Earth's atmosphere, and climate, were like in the distant past. They tell us that levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere are higher than they have been at any time in the past 400,000 years. During ice ages, CO2 levels were around 200 parts per million (ppm), and during the warmer interglacial periods, they hovered around 280 ppm (see fluctuations in the graph). In 2013, CO2 levels surpassed 400 ppm for the first time in recorded history. This recent relentless rise in CO2 shows a remarkably constant relationship with fossil-fuel burning, and can be well accounted for based on the simple premise that about 60 percent of fossil-fuel emissions stay in the air.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Co2 levels are still around 0.04%... same as they have been for hundreds, if not thousands of years!


While if we look over millions of years... co2 levels have ranged from a couple of hundred ppm to 6000-7000 ppm...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Co2 levels are still around 0.04%... same as they have been for hundreds, if not thousands of years!


While if we look over millions of years... co2 levels have ranged from a couple of hundred ppm to 6000-7000 ppm...

A significant evolutionary milestone during the Silurian was the diversification of jawed and bony fish. Multi-cellular life also began to appear on land in the form of small, bryophyte-like and vascular plants that grew beside lakes, streams, and coastlines,

Most geologists and paleontologists would probably set the Proterozoic-Phanerozoic boundary either at the classic point where the first trilobites and reef-building animals (archaeocyatha) such as corals and others appear; at the first appearance of a complex feeding burrow called Treptichnus pedum; or at the first appearance of a group of small, generally disarticulated, armored forms termed 'the small shelly fauna'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phanerozoic

Conclusion

Carbon emissions due to fossil fuel combustion represent less than 20% of the total human impact on atmospheric carbon levels. Deforestation not only contributes a relatively minor one off carbon emission of some 2.3 gigatons of carbon to the atmosphere, but an ongoing loss of photosynthetic carbon sequestration to around 38 gigatons per annum that is growing at the rate of 500 megatons every year. It is clear from the fact that this amount dwarfs the present 7.8 gigaton fossil fuel combustion contribution (IPCC, 2007), that the cessation of fossil fuel combustion will not halt the rise of atmospheric carbon dioxide because the loss of photosynthesising biota and the corresponding fall in photosynthesis is so much greater. The current focus on fossil fuel combustion to the exclusion of ongoing impacts of deforestation only serves to blind the public to the consequences of excessive land clearance and the fact that deforestation and consequent soil deflation are the simplest explanation for the unprecedented rise in global aridity during a warming phase.

Replanting of forests and reclamation of land for jungles, woodlands, and sustainable forestry industry must be given first priority if the human impact on atmospheric carbon dioxide accumulation is to be brought under control. More importantly, deforestation causes the expansion of arid regions and this fact is well demonstrated by the human history of Australian environment (White, 1994). If we are to protect our agriculture, we must moderate its extent and use well diversified woodlands for both soil conservation, symbiont harvesting (eg. truffles), and sustainable forestry.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Co2 levels are still around 0.04%... same as they have been for hundreds, if not thousands of years!


While if we look over millions of years... co2 levels have ranged from a couple of hundred ppm to 6000-7000 ppm...

Tommy Monk wrote:I said millions of years... I didn't say a couple of million years... 600 million years is millions of years!!!


You fucking jokers!!!



I make a statement... you laugh at me and say it's wrong... then you admit it's true... while still trying to laugh at me and claim I'm wrong!!!



You complete cretins!!!

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:I said millions of years... I didn't say a couple of million years... 600 million years is millions of years!!!


You fucking jokers!!!



I make a statement... you laugh at me and say it's wrong... then you admit it's true... while still trying to laugh at me and claim I'm wrong!!!



You complete cretins!!!

TOMMY you brain dead twat, Plants did not exists in the atmosphere to absorb carbon until about 420million years ago
AGAIN get an education!!!

Your Saying in a time period from 600 million year ago to today it was that level, which it was only in the early stages by 400 million years ago it had dropped to 4000 then by 380 million years ago after the emergence of above water plants it dropped to 2000,  600 million years ago NO LIFE COULD BREATH THAT ATMOSPHERE!!! get it through you fucking head back then there was NO LAND LIFE!!! if we return to that state there will be NO LAND LIFE that includes fucking humans
I pointed out things that someone that understands would use like periods that are relevant because the don't go from start of undersea multi-celluar life until today
I used more specific time period Like the emergence of carbon sequestering plants AKA the EXACT Fucking thing the article you posted points out is the MAJOR carbon Store on this planet!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Co2 levels are still around 0.04%... same as they have been for hundreds, if not thousands of years!


While if we look over millions of years... co2 levels have ranged from a couple of hundred ppm to 6000-7000 ppm...

veya_victaous wrote:not true
it has not been that level for 600 million years which is more than a couple in fact it was so long ago that no life existed above the surface of the primordial water

Ben Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

Co2 levels are still around 0.04%... same as they have been for hundreds, if not thousands of years!


While if we look over millions of years... co2 levels have ranged from a couple of hundred ppm to 6000-7000 ppm...

http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/

Can't remember if you trust NASA or not, you seem to go back and forth.

Tommy Monk wrote:

We have had warmer periods over the last few thousand years when there has been lower co2 levels... so...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

We have had warmer periods over the last few thousand years when there has been lower co2 levels... so...!?

So... why was it warmer in the past when co2 levels were lower...!?

What the science says...

Select a level...	Basic		Intermediate
Greenhouse gasses, principally CO2, have controlled most ancient climate changes. This time around humans are the cause, mainly by our CO2 emissions.

Climate Myth...

Abrupt vs slow change.

Tommy Monk wrote:

We have had warmer periods over the last few thousand years when there has been lower co2 levels... so...!?

Ben Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

We have had warmer periods over the last few thousand years when there has been lower co2 levels... so...!?

What the fuck are you talking about? The last several years have been the hottest on record!

Thorin wrote:

What the science says...

Select a level...	Basic		Intermediate
Greenhouse gasses, principally CO2, have controlled most ancient climate changes. This time around humans are the cause, mainly by our CO2 emissions.

Climate Myth...

Climate's changed before
Climate is always changing. We have had ice ages and warmer periods when alligators were found in Spitzbergen. Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and there have been previous periods that appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 levels being lower than they are now. More recently, we have had the medieval warm period and the little ice age. (Richard Lindzen)

Greenhouse gasses – mainly CO2, but also methane – were involved in most of the climate changes in Earth’s past. When they were reduced, the global climate became colder. When they were increased, the global climate became warmer. When CO2 levels jumped rapidly, the global warming that resulted was highly disruptive and sometimes caused mass extinctions. Humans today are emitting prodigious quantities of CO2, at a rate faster than even the most destructive climate changes in earth's past.

Abrupt vs slow change.

Life flourished in the Eocene, the Cretaceous and other times of high CO2 in the atmosphere because the greenhouse gasses were in balance with the carbon in the oceans and the weathering of rocks. Life, ocean chemistry, and atmospheric gasses had millions of years to adjust to those levels.

Lush life in the Arctic during the Eocene, 50 million years ago (original art - Stephen C. Quinn, The American Museum of Natural History, N.Y.C)

But there have been several times in Earth’s past when Earth's temperature jumped abruptly, in much the same way as they are doing today. Those times were caused by large and rapid greenhouse gas emissions, just like humans are causing today.
Those abrupt global warming events were almost always highly destructive for life, causing mass extinctions such as at the end of the Permian, Triassic, or even mid-Cambrian periods. The symptoms from those events (a big, rapid jump in global temperatures, rising sea levels, and ocean acidification) are all happening today with human-caused climate change.
So yes, the climate has changed before humans, and in most cases scientists know why. In all cases we see the same association between CO2 levels and global temperatures. And past examples of rapid carbon emissions (just like today) were generally highly destructive to life on Earth.

https://skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm




Tommy's claim debunked