New Research Confirms That The “Global Warming Hiatus” Is a Myth

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:37 am

IN BRIEF

Independent data pulled from a combination of satellites, robotic floats, and ocean buoys has confirmed a 2015 study that disproved the "global warming hiatus."
This confirmation bolsters the already sound argument that climate change is not slowing down, emphasizing our need to find clean-energy alternatives to fossil fuels.

https://futurism.com/new-research-confirms-that-the-global-warming-hiatus-is-a-myth/

by 'Wolfie Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:02 am

NO REAL surprise there...

The scumbag "denialist" industry, as the propaganda front for the "extractive" energy corp's (i.e. oil drillers and coal miners..), has been pushing their fake science and anti-environment lies onto us for the last couple of decades, recognising that their respective industries are in long term terminal decline..

Like their kindred Tobacco and Asbestos brethren before them, those mongrel minded turds have no respect for the environment, nor any care for the future of humanity -- but are only interested in maximising their profits in the here and now.

Ably represented by their couple of equally absurd, lily-livered, greedy and uncaring, resident lickspit shills on this forum.. Suspect

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:15 am

Yawn...

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:51 am

"...According to a continuous study conducted by the NASA's Goddard institute, the Earth's average global temperature has risen by 0.8 degrees Celsius or 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880..."

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:26 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38546998

Russia has experienced its coldest Orthodox Christmas in 120 years... minus 30 degrees... must be all that global warming...

lol!

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38546998

Russia has experienced its coldest Orthodox Christmas in 120 years... minus 30 degrees... must be all that global warming...

New Research Confirms That The “Global Warming Hiatus” Is a Myth Captain-Picard-Facepalm

A local cold day has nothing to do with the long-term trend of increasing global temperatures.

Climate Myth...

It's freaking cold!
"Austria is today seeing its earliest snowfall in history with 30 to 40 centimetres already predicted in the mountains. Such dramatic falls in temperatures provide superficial evidence for those who doubt that the world is threatened by climate change." (Mail Online)

It's easy to confuse current weather events with long-term climate trends, and hard to understand the difference between weather and climate. It's a bit like being at the beach, trying to figure out if the tide is rising or falling just by watching individual waves roll in and out. The slow change of the tide is masked by the constant churning of the waves.
In a similar way, the normal ups and downs of weather make it hard to see slow changes in climate. To find climate trends you need to look at how weather is changing over a longer time span. Looking at high and low temperature data from recent decades shows that new record highs occur nearly twice as often as new record lows.
New Research Confirms That The “Global Warming Hiatus” Is a Myth Record-highs-lows

New Research Confirms That The “Global Warming Hiatus” Is a Myth Record-highs-lows

New records for cold weather will continue to be set, but global warming's gradual influence will make them increasingly rare.

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:40 pm

Waffle...

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:44 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Waffle...

Global Warming & Climate Change Myths
Here is a summary of global warming and climate change myths, sorted by recent popularity vs what science says. Click the response for a more detailed response. You can also view them sorted by taxonomy, by popularity, in a print-friendly version, with short URLs or with fixed numbers you can use for permanent references.

	Climate Myth	vs	What the Science Says
1	"Climate's changed before"		Climate reacts to whatever forces it to change at the time; humans are now the dominant forcing.
2	"It's the sun"		In the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been going in opposite directions
3	"It's not bad"		Negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health & environment far outweigh any positives.
4	"There is no consensus"		97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.
5	"It's cooling"		The last decade 2000-2009 was the hottest on record.
6	"Models are unreliable"		Models successfully reproduce temperatures since 1900 globally, by land, in the air and the ocean.
7	"Temp record is unreliable"		The warming trend is the same in rural and urban areas, measured by thermometers and satellites.
8	"Animals and plants can adapt"		Global warming will cause mass extinctions of species that cannot adapt on short time scales.
9	"It hasn't warmed since 1998"		Every part of the Earth's climate system has continued warming since 1998, with 2015 shattering temperature records.
10	"Antarctica is gaining ice"		Satellites measure Antarctica losing land ice at an accelerating rate.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

193 links to help Tommy understand his complete errors and gullibility to the climate denialists

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:54 pm

Waffle and links to waffle...

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:58 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Waffle and links to waffle...

No, just science, which you clearly fail to understand.

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:03 pm

I understand science dodge... That's why I laugh at the nonsense you and others blindly buy in to...

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:05 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I understand science dodge... That's why I laugh at the nonsense you and others blindly buy in to...

You clearly do not understand science Tommy

That is evident, when the evidence is so overwhelming and you are still in denial.
I mean for you to think you know better than the experts , is what is comical.
What next, that thousands of scientists are in a conspiracy on this to lie?

New Research Confirms That The “Global Warming Hiatus” Is a Myth 3489511464

New Research Confirms That The “Global Warming Hiatus” Is a Myth 3489511464

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:10 pm

I have looked at the evidence... and the conclusion is clear ..

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:13 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

I have looked at the evidence... and the conclusion is clear ..

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:19 pm

Yawn...

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:20 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Yawn...

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:23 pm

Yawn...

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Yawn...

Must all those late nights on here

I suggest you get to bed earlier

Cool

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:41 pm

No... you're just boring me with waffle...

by Eilzel Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:16 pm

It takes pretty immense arrogance to listen to the majority of scientists explain why global warming is real then decide for yourself (if you are not an expert) that regardless of what they say you known better. Of course, the truth is maybe you just aren't listening. But I seriously doubt, tommy, that YOU are going to be more well informed than scientists. And most of them agree on this.

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:27 pm

The ones who get funding and airtime...

by Ben Reilly Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:47 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The ones who get funding and airtime...

Kind of hard to research the global climate without funding.

by nicko Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:04 pm

I read somewhere,[ don't ask where] that although the ice In the Artic is retreating, the ice in the ant-artic is advancing. just asking did any one else read it?

It could have been the other way round?

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:33 pm

You are right nicko...

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:37 pm

Antarctica is gaining ice
"[Ice] is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap." (Greg Roberts, The Australian)

Update Nov. 7 2015

A study published by Jay Zwally and his team on Oct. 30 (Zwally et al. 2015) has suggested that until 2008 there might have been a bigger increase in ice on East Antarctica than there is a decrease in the west, meaning that total Antarctic land ice is increasing. While their results for the Antarctic Peninsula and much of West Antarctica agree with other research, the study disagrees with many other techniques. We will update this discussion once more studies address this issue. Until then here are links to some recently published takes on the study:

A controversial NASA study says Antarctica is gaining ice. Here’s why you should be skeptical - Chris Mooney (Nov. 5)

NASA Scientist Warned Deniers Would Distort His Antarctic Ice Study — That's Exactly What They Did - Media Matters (Nov.4)

More on Antarctic Ice Melt - ClimateCrocks (Nov. 3)

Is Antarctica Gaining or Losing Ice? Hint: Losing. - Phil Plait (Nov. 3)

Q&A: Is Antarctica gaining or losing ice? - Carbon Brief (Nov. 3)

Just Because Antarctica Might Be Gaining Ice Doesn't Mean Climate Change Isn't Happening - Vice (Nov. 2)

Skeptic arguments that Antarctica is gaining ice frequently hinge on an error of omission, namely ignoring the difference between land ice and sea ice.
In glaciology and particularly with respect to Antarctic ice, not all things are created equal. Let us consider the following differences. Antarctic land ice is the ice which has accumulated over thousands of years on the Antarctica landmass itself through snowfall. This land ice therefore is actually stored ocean water that once fell as precipitation. Sea icein Antarctica is quite different as it is ice which forms in salt water primarily during the winter months. When land ice melts and flows into the oceans global sea levels rise on average; when sea ice melts sea levels do not change measurably.

In Antarctica, sea ice grows quite extensively during winter but nearly completely melts away during the summer (Figure 1). That is where the important difference between Antarctic and Arctic sea ice exists as much of the Arctic's sea ice lasts all the year round. During the winter months it increases and before decreasing during the summer months, but an ice cover does in fact remain in the North which includes quite a bit of ice from previous years (Figure 1). Essentially Arctic sea ice is more important for the earth's energy balance because when it increasingly melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the oceans whereas Antarctic sea ice normally melts each summer leaving the earth's energy balancelargely unchanged.
New Research Confirms That The “Global Warming Hiatus” Is a Myth SeaIce

New Research Confirms That The “Global Warming Hiatus” Is a Myth SeaIce

Figure 1: Coverage of sea ice in both the Arctic (Top) and Antarctica (Bottom) for both summer minimums and winter maximums
Source: National Snow and Ice Data Center

One must also be careful how you interpret trends in Antarctic sea ice. Currently this ice is increasing overall and has been for years but is this the smoking gun against climate change? Not quite. Antarctic sea ice is gaining because of many different reasons but the most accepted recent explanations are listed below:

i) Ozone levels over Antarctica have dropped causing stratospheric cooling and increasing winds which lead to more areas of open water that can be frozen (Gillet 2003, Thompson 2002, Turner 2009).

and

ii) The Southern Ocean is freshening because of increased rain and snowfall as well as an increase in meltwater coming from the edges of Antarctica's land ice (Zhang 2007, Bintanga et al. 2013). Together, these change the composition of the different layers in the ocean there causing less mixing between warm and cold layers and thus less melted sea and coastal land ice.

All the sea ice talk aside, it is quite clear that really when it comes to Antarctic ice and sea levels, sea ice is not the most important thing to measure. In Antarctica, the largest and most important ice mass is the land ice of the West Antarctic and East Antarctic ice sheets.

Therefore, how is Antarctic land ice doing?
New Research Confirms That The “Global Warming Hiatus” Is a Myth F5.large

New Research Confirms That The “Global Warming Hiatus” Is a Myth F5.large

Figure 2: Estimates of total Antarctic land ice changes and approximate sea level contributions using a combination of different measurement techniques (Shepherd, 2012). Shaded areas represent the estimate uncertainty (1-sigma).

Estimates of recent changes in Antarctic land ice (Figure 2, bottom panel) show an increasing contribution to sea level with time, although not as fast a rate or acceleration as Greenland. Between 1992 and 2011, the Antarctic Ice Sheets overall lost 1350 giga-tonnes (Gt) or 1,350,000,000,000 tonnes into the oceans, at an average rate of 70 Gt per year (Gt/yr). Because a reduction in mass of 360 Gt/year represents an annual global-average sea level rise of 1 mm, these estimates equate to an increase in global-average sea levels by 0.19 mm/yr.
There is variation between regions within Antarctica (Figure 2, top panel), with the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and the Antarctic Peninsula Ice Sheet losing ice mass, and with an increasing rate. The East Antarctic Ice Sheet is growing slightly over this period but not enough to offset the other losses. There are of course uncertainties in the estimation methods but independent data from multiple measurement techniques (explained here) all show the same thing, Antarctica is losing land ice as a whole, and these losses are accelerating quickly.

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:41 pm

Guff...

by eddie Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:47 pm

Tommy you do know that "guff" and "waffle" and "yawn", aren't actual debatable arguments?

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:58 pm

They are as valid as the nonsense I have replied to...

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:59 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:They are as valid as the nonsense I have replied to...

You mean the scientific evidence you could not counter.

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:04 pm

There was no scientific evidence to counter...

Temperatures change... have done for millions of years...

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:06 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:There was no scientific evidence to counter...

Temperatures change... have done for millions of years...

That is not a counter to the evidence presented

Not going to do another boring Tommy circular avoid everything and deny everything argument

You are done here

by eddie Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:06 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:They are as valid as the nonsense I have replied to...

No mate. They're really not.

by Raggamuffin Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:13 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

NO REAL surprise there...

The scumbag "denialist" industry, as the propaganda front for the "extractive" energy corp's (i.e. oil drillers and coal miners..), has been pushing their fake science and anti-environment lies onto us for the last couple of decades, recognising that their respective industries are in long term terminal decline..

Like their kindred Tobacco and Asbestos brethren before them, those mongrel minded turds have no respect for the environment, nor any care for the future of humanity -- but are only interested in maximising their profits in the here and now.

Ably represented by their couple of equally absurd, lily-livered, greedy and uncaring, resident lickspit shills on this forum..

Can you not debate a subject without abusing other members of the forum?

Someone who disputes what's being said about global warming isn't necessarily uncaring, greedy, or lily-livered - they just disagree with you.

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:14 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

NO REAL surprise there...

The scumbag "denialist" industry, as the propaganda front for the "extractive" energy corp's (i.e. oil drillers and coal miners..), has been pushing their fake science and anti-environment lies onto us for the last couple of decades, recognising that their respective industries are in long term terminal decline..

Like their kindred Tobacco and Asbestos brethren before them, those mongrel minded turds have no respect for the environment, nor any care for the future of humanity -- but are only interested in maximising their profits in the here and now.

Ably represented by their couple of equally absurd, lily-livered, greedy and uncaring, resident lickspit shills on this forum..

Can you not debate a subject without abusing other members of the forum?

Someone who disputes what's being said about global warming isn't necessarily uncaring, greedy, or lily-livered - they just disagree with you.

No they would be generally uncaring to not think about the future of this plant

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:20 pm

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:They are as valid as the nonsense I have replied to...

No mate. They're really not.

I have provided the facts numerous times on multiple threads...

Temperatures have always changed over millions of years...

We have returned to normal temperatures from a cold period...

Co2 levels have varied wildly in the past and been higher during colder periods as well as lower during warmer periods...

Co2 levels have hardly changed at all over the last few millenia...

The heat we have here on earth is from the Sun... and the sun does not always give out the same amount of heat... also, the distance of earth from sun is not always the same either!!!

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:22 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
eddie wrote:

No mate. They're really not.

I have provided the facts numerous times on multiple threads...

Temperatures have always changed over millions of years...

We have returned to normal temperatures from a cold period...

Co2 levels have varied wildly in the past and been higher during colder periods as well as lower during warmer periods...

Co2 levels have hardly changed at all over the last few millenia...

The heat we have here on earth is from the Sun... and the sun does not always give out the same amount of heat... also, the distance of earth from sun is not always the same either!!!

No, you are offering up poor opinion and ignoring facts

You are ignoring all the evidence of which I have presented.

The only explanation here, is you simply do not understand the data and information

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:25 pm

All that I have said is easily verifiable scientific/historical fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Try checking it out before telling me it is not true!!!!!!!!!

lol!

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:All that I have said is easily verifiable scientific/historical fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Try checking it out before telling me it is not true!!!!!!!!!

Checking what out?

That humans have effected the climate with CO's emissions?

Yes anyone can use poor misdirection to ignore the effects of climate change caused by humans and then use a lol to cover for their own mistakes

Like I say, you don't understand the evidence, hence its like you are a broken pencil

Pointless

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:40 pm

Check out any/all of the points I made...

You will find that they are all true!!!

Laughing

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:41 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Check out any/all of the points I made...

You will find that they are all true!!!

You mean like how you ignore all the evidence from scientists

Laughing

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:43 pm

The 'scientists' you glorify are ignoring all the historical/scientific evidence...

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:44 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The 'scientists' you glorify and ignoring all the historical/scientific evidence...

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by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:51 pm

Thorin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:The 'scientists' you glorify and ignoring all the historical/scientific evidence...

I have given you a list of irrefutable scientific/historical facts...

Why are you so quick to ignore the scientists and historians behind these facts...?

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:57 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:

I have given you a list of irrefutable scientific/historical facts...

Why are you so quick to ignore the scientists and historians behind these facts...?

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by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:03 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
eddie wrote:

No mate. They're really not.

I have provided the facts numerous times on multiple threads...

Temperatures have always changed over millions of years...

We have returned to normal temperatures from a cold period...

Co2 levels have varied wildly in the past and been higher during colder periods as well as lower during warmer periods...

Co2 levels have hardly changed at all over the last few millenia...

The heat we have here on earth is from the Sun... and the sun does not always give out the same amount of heat... also, the distance of earth from sun is not always the same either!!!

You show me where any of these are wrong...!?

lol!

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:03 pm

Thorin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Waffle...

Global Warming & Climate Change Myths
Here is a summary of global warming and climate change myths, sorted by recent popularity vs what science says. Click the response for a more detailed response. You can also view them sorted by taxonomy, by popularity, in a print-friendly version, with short URLs or with fixed numbers you can use for permanent references.

Climate Myth vs What the Science Says
1 "Climate's changed before" Climate reacts to whatever forces it to change at the time; humans are now the dominant forcing.
2 "It's the sun"
In the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been going in opposite directions
3 "It's not bad" Negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health & environment far outweigh any positives.
4 "There is no consensus"
97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.
5 "It's cooling" The last decade 2000-2009 was the hottest on record.
6 "Models are unreliable" Models successfully reproduce temperatures since 1900 globally, by land, in the air and the ocean.
7 "Temp record is unreliable" The warming trend is the same in rural and urban areas, measured by thermometers and satellites.
8 "Animals and plants can adapt" Global warming will cause mass extinctions of species that cannot adapt on short time scales.
9 "It hasn't warmed since 1998"
Every part of the Earth's climate system has continued warming since 1998, with 2015 shattering temperature records.
10 "Antarctica is gaining ice" Satellites measure Antarctica losing land ice at an accelerating rate.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

193 links to help Tommy understand his complete errors and gullibility to the climate denialists

Take your pick Tommy

Cool

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:07 pm

Circle Jerk...

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:08 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Circle Jerk...

So nothing to refute the evidence

You are done here

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:19 pm

Refute my evidence...

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:21 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Refute my evidence...

I did, read the 193 rebuttals I gave you

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