What a rubbish Christmas.

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I hope everyone fared better than me.
Went out Christmas eve for a lovely meal for two at nice restaurant.
Woke in the night ill....VERY ill.
I thought I had food poisoning I was so sick.....had to cancel Christmas day and OH had a sandwich for his Christmas dinner. Boxing day I always do a buffet for family.....had to cancel and son took the food back to his.
Whatever it was turned into a really bad virus, (cough, chest infection, cant eat or sleep) I still feel horrible.

But.....I have lost half a stone...every cloud.

Tommy Monk wrote:

harvesmom wrote:

I don't get the flu jab Tommy, but my Mum does and she got it far worse than I did. Could be her age of course.

But I remember last year she got the flu too, after the jab, and they said the flu jab covered 4 strains of flu, but not the one that she had???

Only thing is, the Doctor at the hospital did say that if she hadn't had the injection the chest infection she got would probably have turned into pneumonia, which obviously at her age would have been a real problem. But who knows, she is ill for a couple of weeks after she has the injection with mild flu symptoms, you dont really know what they are pumping into you do you.

They are pumping a small dose of the virus into you...!


And if you say 4 different strains of virus are being delivered protection from... then that simply means that 4 different strains of virus and being injected into you!!!


All of which will trigger an immune response from your body... all of which are putting unnecessary undue strain on the body... and may adversely weaken the immune system in such a way as to be more susceptible to a wider virus that is circulating and then to become not just a host/carrier of it but a potential cause in virus mutating to something more nasty than the flu jab strains already part exposed to...

But... is the outcome worse if you don't have the injection? Who knows!

harvesmom wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
And... in my opinion... you are not 'brave' or a 'hero' for carrying on going to work while infected with a nasty virus... you are just adding to the problem by spreading it around to others... some of whom will get really ill, really suffer, and even die as a result!!!

Yesssss... in an ideal world we would all stop work and isolate ourselves when we have a virus. Fact is, its not practical is it. Even if I dont go, I could infect someone close and they could pass it on as a carrier. If we all stopped going out when we felt ill then the country would grind to a halt! We dont live in a perfect world, all I can do is carry on and carry lots of anti bacterial hand cleanser with me

One person could have a couple days off... or carry on and infect hundreds who will then have many more days off between them... of those 'brave heros' who 'carry on', they cost many more hundreds getting Ill and having days off...


Some people even die from it...!


Stay at home if you are ill... you are not helping the wider workforce or keeping the country going by spreading viral infections... you are helping by staying at home and not spreading it!!!

harvesmom wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


They are pumping a small dose of the virus into you...!


And if you say 4 different strains of virus are being delivered protection from... then that simply means that 4 different strains of virus and being injected into you!!!


All of which will trigger an immune response from your body... all of which are putting unnecessary undue strain on the body... and may adversely weaken the immune system in such a way as to be more susceptible to a wider virus that is circulating and then to become not just a host/carrier of it but a potential cause in virus mutating to something more nasty than the flu jab strains already part exposed to...

But... is the outcome worse if you don't have the injection? Who knows!

Being injected with multiple strains of flu virus must be worse than not being so...

Tommy Monk wrote:

harvesmom wrote:

Yesssss... in an ideal world we would all stop work and isolate ourselves when we have a virus. Fact is, its not practical is it. Even if I dont go, I could infect someone close and they could pass it on as a carrier. If we all stopped going out when we felt ill then the country would grind to a halt! We dont live in a perfect world, all I can do is carry on and carry lots of anti bacterial hand cleanser with me

One person could have a couple days off... or carry on and infect hundreds who will then have many more days off between them... of those 'brave heros' who 'carry on', they cost many more hundreds getting Ill and having days off...


Some people even die from it...!


Stay at home if you are ill... you are not helping the wider workforce or keeping the country going by spreading viral infections... you are helping by staying at home and not spreading it!!!

I'll tell my boss that next time Tommy

O hang on, thats me!!!!

harvesmom wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


One person could have a couple days off... or carry on and infect hundreds who will then have many more days off between them... of those 'brave heros' who 'carry on', they cost many more hundreds getting Ill and having days off...


Some people even die from it...!


Stay at home if you are ill... you are not helping the wider workforce or keeping the country going by spreading viral infections... you are helping by staying at home and not spreading it!!!

I'll tell my boss that next time Tommy

O hang on, thats me!!!!  

If ill people stayed at home then there wouldn't be that many 'next times'...

Tommy Monk wrote:

harvesmom wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


They are pumping a small dose of the virus into you...!


And if you say 4 different strains of virus are being delivered protection from... then that simply means that 4 different strains of virus and being injected into you!!!


All of which will trigger an immune response from your body... all of which are putting unnecessary undue strain on the body... and may adversely weaken the immune system in such a way as to be more susceptible to a wider virus that is circulating and then to become not just a host/carrier of it but a potential cause in virus mutating to something more nasty than the flu jab strains already part exposed to...

But... is the outcome worse if you don't have the injection? Who knows!

Being injected with multiple strains of flu virus must be worse than not being so...

It's not the live virus, it's not going to hurt you. I never get the flu because I always get the shot.

The prime reason that some people may still get a dose of influenza after getting the flu jab isn't
due to any kind of infection from dead virus matter, nor any antigens, in the vaccine --  but comes down to the fact that the vaccine is made to protect you from the 3 most common flu viruses from the previous season/ previous 6 months  --  and because flu virus populations are continually mutating, some unlucky persons will be unfortunate enough to contract one far enough removed from the mainstream, as to be outside the vaccine's range...

An unfortunate minority to be sure, but still only a very small minority..
Reactions to the vaccines may occur, but are also quite rare, when compared to the numbers successfully protected..

Still, any bad news will be a ready target for the homeopatic/quack cure industry to peddle their usual anti-vax opportunistic garbage.          


TOMMY keeps on spouting his usual scaremongering anti-science drivel on here for the same old reasons...

Not only does he clearly know less than zero about viruses, vaccinations and immunisation..

Once again he has clearly demonstrated that he doesn't even understandmthe underlying sciences --  his climate change denialist strategies,  all over again.          

harvesmom wrote:

Syl wrote:

I'm sorry to hear your mum then you caught the virus...it really is nasty, and obviously not covered by the flu jab....you are made of strong stuff managing to work through it....I have done absolutely nothing since Sunday.

Wishing you both a full and speedy recovery.

Thanks Syl x Being self employed, I didnt have a choice tbh but to work through till Xmas. After New Years Eve when I have stupidly said I will have a party at mine, I shall take to my bed and recover properly for a few days  Hope you are feeling better now.

Did you feel dizzy and lightheaded with yours by the way?

I have never felt the way that made me feel, dizzy and lightheaded don't do it justice!
I kept feeling like the world literally lurched it was horrible.

What time do you want me round for the party?!

I have never got the flu or even a really bad cold, not once, not ever, even when I have been surrounded by people with colds and snottty demeanours.

I have never had the flu vaccine and I never will and nor will my children.

mushrooms dont get colds and flu do they???

Lord Foul wrote:mushrooms dont get colds and flu do they???

You do know I'm not an actual mushroom, right?

I'm serious though, I have never had a cold that's even lasted longer than a day. At most I lose my voice and get a cough that can last a while. But colds, never.
I rarely get sickness bugs either. I can have my whole house go down with a sickness bug and spend days clearing up vomit and still not get it! And if I do, I only feel sick and I never actually vomit.  Very odd. Perhaps raw mushrooms have a special immunisation power?!

Bet I get a fucking cold now I've said all that. Pffff you germy infested bunch of germ ridden people.

eddie wrote:
I have never got the flu or even a really bad cold, not once, not ever, even when I have been surrounded by people with colds and snottty demeanours.

I have never had the flu vaccine and I never will and nor will my children.

I would probably attribute your resistance to a strong immune system, and possibly an inherited/genetic "natural resistance" to flu viruses ?

Often the kind of person the immunologists will look to, to study (and maybe use..) their antibodies and immune reactions, during severe outbreaks.


I rarely get the flu (maybe once every 10 years or so..), but when I do it can often be a doosie..

The only time I got a flu jab was during a uni' trial back in the late '80s/early 90s...
I would consider it if I were a nurse, teacher, in retail, or in the emergency services ( along with Hep A and B shots..), along with the regular vaccinations..

Syl wrote:I hope everyone fared better than me.
Went out Christmas eve for a lovely meal for two at nice restaurant.
Woke in the night ill....VERY ill.
I thought I had food poisoning I was so sick.....had to cancel Christmas day and OH had a sandwich for his Christmas dinner.  Boxing day I always do a buffet for family.....had to cancel and son took the food back to his.
Whatever it was turned into a really bad virus, (cough, chest infection, cant eat or sleep) I still feel horrible.

But.....I have lost half a stone...every cloud.

Sorry to hear you were poorly.

In future ( hope it doesnt hapoen) but if you ever have a stomach bug try boiling Mint and fennel seeds and drink it cooled off.

Its always worked on me.
x

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Syl wrote:I hope everyone fared better than me.
Went out Christmas eve for a lovely meal for two at nice restaurant.
Woke in the night ill....VERY ill.
I thought I had food poisoning I was so sick.....had to cancel Christmas day and OH had a sandwich for his Christmas dinner.  Boxing day I always do a buffet for family.....had to cancel and son took the food back to his.
Whatever it was turned into a really bad virus, (cough, chest infection, cant eat or sleep) I still feel horrible.

But.....I have lost half a stone...every cloud.

Sorry to hear you were poorly.

In future ( hope it doesnt hapoen) but if you ever have a stomach bug try boiling Mint and fennel seeds and drink it cooled off.

Its always worked on me.
x

Thanks SM.
I will make a note of that one, sometimes old natural remedies just work. x

Normally my stomach is pretty strong, that's why I thought the initial sickness was food poisoning, but it was the onset of whatever this virus is....it's not flu, I have had flu about 4 times in my life, and it's different.

Re the flu jab, I always had it when I was my mums carer....I never had any ill effects with it.
The last 3 or 4 years I have had it because I got a really bad bout of flu a few years ago and I was ill for so long.....couldn't face that again.
Like has been said though, the jab only protects you from 3 types of flu virus, so if another one sneaks in and grabs you.....the jab wont help at all.

Syl wrote:

Ziz wrote:

There was a real horrible one going round before Xmas - a nurse told me that they played it down so as not to scare folk - the after effects can last quite a few weeks.

The worst flu I ever had a few years ago left me with toothache and eye socket ache for weeks....that was odd.
At the moment I am concentrated on not coughing my guts up....so the later trivialities can wait.

That would be sinusitis.

Spindleshanks wrote:

Syl wrote:

The worst flu I ever had a few years ago left me with toothache and eye socket ache for weeks....that was odd.
At the moment I am concentrated on not coughing my guts up....so the later trivialities can wait.

That would be sinusitis.

Yes it was...an after effect of a horrible infection.

Syl wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Sorry to hear you were poorly.

In future ( hope it doesnt hapoen) but if you ever have a stomach bug try boiling Mint and fennel seeds and drink it cooled off.

Its always worked on me.
x

Thanks SM.
I will make a note of that one, sometimes old natural remedies just work. x

Normally my stomach is pretty strong, that's why I thought the initial sickness was food poisoning, but it was the onset of whatever this virus is....it's not flu, I have had flu about 4 times in my life, and it's different.

Re the flu jab, I always had it when I was my mums carer....I never had any ill effects with it.
The last 3 or 4 years I have had it because I got a really bad bout of flu a few years ago and I was ill for so long.....couldn't face that again.
Like has been said though, the jab only protects you from 3 types of flu virus, so if another one sneaks in and grabs you.....the jab wont help at all.

It's a massive money spinner.

Syl wrote:

Spindleshanks wrote:

That would be sinusitis.

Yes it was...an after effect of a horrible infection.

Horrible, painful nasty thing is sinusitis.

I once spent almost a week shoving any kind of painkiller I could get down my neck to get rid of the pain. Ended up at the doctor as it had got infected.

Drugs companies make billions, I'm sure there are some very dodgy dealings that go on that we have no idea about.
Fact is though...I do believe the flu jab helps prevent the main flu bugs taking hold, and I don't believe it can give you the flu (though I personally know loads of people who swear that's what happened when they had it)

It's a personal choice though....and if I wasn't susceptible to being floored by the flu I doubt I would have it myself.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

The prime reason that some people may still get a dose of influenza after getting the flu jab isn't
due to any kind of infection from dead virus matter, nor any antigens, in the vaccine --  but comes down to the fact that the vaccine is made to protect you from the 3 most common flu viruses from the previous season/ previous 6 months  --  and because flu virus populations are continually mutating, some unlucky persons will be unfortunate enough to contract one far enough removed from the mainstream, as to be outside the vaccine's range...

An unfortunate minority to be sure, but still only a very small minority..
Reactions to the vaccines may occur, but are also quite rare, when compared to the numbers successfully protected..

Still, any bad news will be a ready target for the homeopatic/quack cure industry to peddle their usual anti-vax opportunistic garbage.          


TOMMY keeps on spouting his usual scaremongering anti-science drivel on here for the same old reasons...

Not only does he clearly know less than zero about viruses, vaccinations and immunisation..

Once again he has clearly demonstrated that he doesn't even understandmthe underlying sciences --  his climate change denialist strategies,  all over again.          

Piss off troll... I don't need you twisting my words or waffling bollocks about what I know.

Syl wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Sorry to hear you were poorly.

In future ( hope it doesnt hapoen) but if you ever have a stomach bug try boiling Mint and fennel seeds and drink it cooled off.

Its always worked on me.
x

Thanks SM.
I will make a note of that one, sometimes old natural remedies just work. x

Normally my stomach is pretty strong, that's why I thought the initial sickness was food poisoning, but it was the onset of whatever this virus is....it's not flu, I have had flu about 4 times in my life, and it's different.

Re the flu jab, I always had it when I was my mums carer....I never had any ill effects with it.
The last 3 or 4 years I have had it because I got a really bad bout of flu a few years ago and I was ill for so long.....couldn't face that again.
Like has been said though, the jab only protects you from 3 types of flu virus, so if another one sneaks in and grabs you.....the jab wont help at all.

Yes... I would say this felt quite different to flu too...

Whatever it is it's been kept quiet. I keep hearing (via OH who is getting out and about whilst I am stuck in feeling like death warmed up) that more and more people are really poorly.

I had a lovely Christmas and feel very lucky xxx

Sorry to hear so many have been feeling poorly.  Hope you all feel better soon.  Christmas is all about family, it doesn't have to be the 25th December.  Rescheduled your get togethers for the New Year and welcome it in style

I had a great Christmas too! All the gifts I gave out were greatly appreciated, which is how I define Christmas success

Regarding the flu vaccine, during cold and flu season I'm spending six to seven hours a week in stadiums or gymnasiums full of kids -- no way am I not getting vaccinated.

feelthelove wrote:I had a lovely Christmas and feel very lucky xxx

Sorry to hear so many have been feeling poorly.  Hope you all feel better soon.  Christmas is all about family, it doesn't have to be the 25th December.  Rescheduled your get togethers for the New Year and welcome it in style

Happy you had such a lovely time FTL.......and you are right....Christmas is family, so we can have it next week instead.

Ben Reilly wrote:I had a great Christmas too! All the gifts I gave out were greatly appreciated, which is how I define Christmas success

Regarding the flu vaccine, during cold and flu season I'm spending six to seven hours a week in stadiums or gymnasiums full of kids -- no way am I not getting vaccinated.

Glad to hear it Ben, giving is what it's really all about isn't it I must remember NOT to agree to play Pie Face with my Nieces and Nephew next year......................all that whipped cream they found it very amusing xxx

Ben Reilly wrote:I had a great Christmas too! All the gifts I gave out were greatly appreciated, which is how I define Christmas success

Regarding the flu vaccine, during cold and flu season I'm spending six to seven hours a week in stadiums or gymnasiums full of kids -- no way am I not getting vaccinated.

Glad your Christmas was so enjoyable Ben. x

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

eddie wrote:
I have never got the flu or even a really bad cold, not once, not ever, even when I have been surrounded by people with colds and snottty demeanours.

I have never had the flu vaccine and I never will and nor will my children.

I would probably attribute your resistance to a strong immune system,  and possibly an inherited/genetic  "natural resistance" to flu viruses  ?

Often the kind of person the immunologists will look to, to study (and maybe use..) their antibodies and immune reactions, during severe outbreaks.


I rarely get the flu (maybe once every 10 years or so..),  but when I do it can often be a doosie..

The only time I got a flu jab was during a uni' trial back in the late '80s/early 90s...
I would consider it if I were a nurse, teacher, in retail, or in the emergency services ( along with Hep A and B shots..), along with the regular vaccinations..

I actually have an auto-immune disease wolf actually, it's called Grave's Disease, it's a thyroid condition. Don't know if that makes any difference to anything?
My mum has had the flu but neither myself nor mr brothers have, yet all us three siblings have had glandular fever at seperate times of our lives?

I've never had a flu jab either, although I've been advised to. I dunno - so many people have said they felt quite ill afterwards, and that can't be a coincidence. It's hard to tell the difference between flu and a bad cold sometimes, but usually when people say they have flu, they actually have a cold.

Ben Reilly wrote:I had a great Christmas too! All the gifts I gave out were greatly appreciated, which is how I define Christmas success

Regarding the flu vaccine, during cold and flu season I'm spending six to seven hours a week in stadiums or gymnasiums full of kids -- no way am I not getting vaccinated.

Well mine wasn't greatly appreciated as you gave me nuffink...and I work really hard.....
Well I work, anyway. Whatever.

eddie wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


I would probably attribute your resistance to a strong immune system,  and possibly an inherited/genetic  "natural resistance" to flu viruses  ?

Often the kind of person the immunologists will look to, to study (and maybe use..) their antibodies and immune reactions, during severe outbreaks.


I rarely get the flu (maybe once every 10 years or so..),  but when I do it can often be a doosie..

The only time I got a flu jab was during a uni' trial back in the late '80s/early 90s...
I would consider it if I were a nurse, teacher, in retail, or in the emergency services ( along with Hep A and B shots..), along with the regular vaccinations..

I actually have an auto-immune disease wolf actually, it's called Grave's Disease, it's a thyroid condition. Don't know if that makes any difference to anything?
My mum has had the flu but neither myself nor mr brothers have, yet all us three siblings have had glandular fever at seperate times of our lives?

Interesting question. Autoimmune diseases are generally quite specific, so is it likely that an overactive immune system in one area could afford some protection against infections? Of course, it would depend if one takes drugs to suppress the immune system in order to control the autoimmune disease. In fact, those on such drugs are advised to have the flu jab.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

The prime reason that some people may still get a dose of influenza after getting the flu jab isn't
due to any kind of infection from dead virus matter, nor any antigens, in the vaccine --  but comes down to the fact that the vaccine is made to protect you from the 3 most common flu viruses from the previous season/ previous 6 months  --  and because flu virus populations are continually mutating, some unlucky persons will be unfortunate enough to contract one far enough removed from the mainstream, as to be outside the vaccine's range...

An unfortunate minority to be sure, but still only a very small minority..
Reactions to the vaccines may occur, but are also quite rare, when compared to the numbers successfully protected..

Still, any bad news will be a ready target for the homeopatic/quack cure industry to peddle their usual anti-vax opportunistic garbage.          


TOMMY keeps on spouting his usual scaremongering anti-science drivel on here for the same old reasons...

Not only does he clearly know less than zero about viruses, vaccinations and immunisation..

Once again he has clearly demonstrated that he doesn't even understandmthe underlying sciences --  his climate change denialist strategies,  all over again.          

Don't be too quick to dismiss what Tommy said. There are studies being conducted in this area to see if the flu vaccine can make someone susceptible to other infections.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


I would probably attribute your resistance to a strong immune system,  and possibly an inherited/genetic  "natural resistance" to flu viruses  ?

Often the kind of person the immunologists will look to, to study (and maybe use..) their antibodies and immune reactions, during severe outbreaks.


I rarely get the flu (maybe once every 10 years or so..),  but when I do it can often be a doosie..

The only time I got a flu jab was during a uni' trial back in the late '80s/early 90s...
I would consider it if I were a nurse, teacher, in retail, or in the emergency services ( along with Hep A and B shots..), along with the regular vaccinations..

I actually have an auto-immune disease wolf actually, it's called Grave's Disease, it's a thyroid condition. Don't know if that makes any difference to anything?
My mum has had the flu but neither myself nor mr brothers have, yet all us three siblings have had glandular fever at seperate times of our lives?

Interesting question. Autoimmune diseases are generally quite specific, so is it likely that an overactive immune system in one area could afford some protection against infections? Of course, it would depend if one takes drugs to suppress the immune system in order to control the autoimmune disease. In fact, those on such drugs are advised to have the flu jab.

I'm in remission rags so I'm not on medication at the moment. I won't have the flu jab as I think it's unnecessary. I dislike taking any tablets TBH and often only take half the advised amount of thyroid drug when I'm given it (as needed).
Guess what? They say "one tablet twice a day and see you in three months for a blood test we are hoping you'll be off the meds in a bout nine months"
I take one a day and have my blood test and the the medication is still working and I'm off the meds in nine months on half of what was suggested.
It's worked both times.
I don't ever take recommended amounts of what I'm supposed to. I'd rather start on less. It's always worked for me.

Raggamuffin wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

The prime reason that some people may still get a dose of influenza after getting the flu jab isn't
due to any kind of infection from dead virus matter, nor any antigens, in the vaccine --  but comes down to the fact that the vaccine is made to protect you from the 3 most common flu viruses from the previous season/ previous 6 months  --  and because flu virus populations are continually mutating, some unlucky persons will be unfortunate enough to contract one far enough removed from the mainstream, as to be outside the vaccine's range...

An unfortunate minority to be sure, but still only a very small minority..
Reactions to the vaccines may occur, but are also quite rare, when compared to the numbers successfully protected..

Still, any bad news will be a ready target for the homeopatic/quack cure industry to peddle their usual anti-vax opportunistic garbage.          


TOMMY keeps on spouting his usual scaremongering anti-science drivel on here for the same old reasons...

Not only does he clearly know less than zero about viruses, vaccinations and immunisation..

Once again he has clearly demonstrated that he doesn't even understandmthe underlying sciences --  his climate change denialist strategies,  all over again.          

Don't be too quick to dismiss what Tommy said. There are studies being conducted in this area to see if the flu vaccine can make susceptible to other infections.

Thanks you Raggs!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Don't be too quick to dismiss what Tommy said. There are studies being conducted in this area to see if the flu vaccine can make susceptible to other infections.

Thanks you Raggs!

That's OK Tommy. I'm just a bit annoyed that I left a word out of my post.

What word...?

Tommy Monk wrote:
What word...?

"Someone". I've added it now.

Ah.... ok... I missed that earlier...


Sorted!

Re:  negative reactions to vaccinnations, in general --

Another possible angle to consider...

In Japan several years ago, there were thousands of cases of clusters of bad rections to a standard MMR injection..


The culprit in that case wasn't the dead virus particles in the shot --  but the fact that carrier solution contained high levels of heavy metals, particularly Mercury -- and yet had still been okay'ed by the health ministry  !!!

Effectively, those sick people were suffering from mercury poisoning..


Maybe something else in some vaccinations -- apart from/besides the virus itself --  is poisoning/depressing some people's immune systems ???      

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Re:  negative reactions to vaccinnations, in general --

Another possible angle to consider...

In Japan several years ago, there were thousands of cases of clusters of bad rections to a standard MMR injection..


The culprit in that case wasn't the dead virus particles in the shot --  but the fact that carrier solution contained high levels of heavy metals, particularly Mercury -- and yet had still been okay'ed by the health ministry  !!!

Effectively, those sick people were suffering from mercury poisoning..


Maybe something else in some vaccinations -- apart from/besides the virus itself --  is poisoning/depressing some people's immune systems ???      

Once again the free-market system leaves its imprint. It comes from pharma's being motivated, not by keeping their eyes on their job, but by the distraction of profit.

Just as with the military, there should be no private hands in the healthcare industry.