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A powerful arguement by Owen Jones
by Andy Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:32 pm
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[size=39]Nigel Farage’s attack on Jo Cox’s widower is a new low. Enough
[url=x-gu://list/https://mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/profile/owen-jones]Owen Jones[/url]
Published:16:25 GMT+00:00 Wed 21 December 2016
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‘These individuals are a political cesspit.’Photograph: Nigel Roddis/EPA
[size=35]These are times of grave danger, with dissent recast as treason, racism unchained and intolerance on the march. We must take a stand before things get even worse[/size][/size]
No more pussyfooting around: [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/nigel-farage]Nigel Farage[/url] and his associates have poisoned our country’s political culture, and it’s time to push back. Their offensive – in every sense of the word – has been so swift, so devastating, that we risk normalising it.
Let’s take a moment to absorb their latest intervention. In June this year, [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/jo-cox]Jo Cox[/url], a Labour MP, was murdered by [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/uk-news/2016/nov/23/thomas-mair-found-guilty-of-jo-cox-murder]Thomas Mair[/url], a fascist, white supremacist terrorist. As he stabbed and shot her, he yelled “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain!” This was a political act: the use of violence to achieve political ends. The individual who politicised Jo’s death was the terrorist who killed her.
If anybody has a right to speak out about the dangers of hatred and extremism in modern Britain, it is Jo’s bereaved husband, [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/nov/23/brendan-cox-youve-heard-so-much-about-jos-death-wed-like-to-talk-about-her-life]Brendan[/url].
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On Tuesday morning, hours after a [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/world/berlin-christmas-market-attack]truck was driven into a Berlin Christmas market[/url], Nigel Farage [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/dec/20/nigel-farage-accuses-jo-cox-widower-brendan-cox-of-supporting-extremism]spotted an opportunity[/url]. “Terrible news from Berlin but no surprise,” he wrote, not even bothering to separate his horror and his vindication with a comma. “Events like these will be the Merkel legacy.” [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/dec/20/nigel-farage-accuses-jo-cox-widower-brendan-cox-of-supporting-extremism]Brendan Cox’s response[/url] – “blaming politicians for the actions of extremists? That’s a slippery slope Nigel” – was logically flawless.
Farage’s response in turn – that Cox “would know more about extremists than me” because of his links to the anti-fascist organisation Hope Not Hate– is shocking on a number of levels. First, he is talking about a widower whose wife was murdered by an extremist six months ago. Second, he smeared an organisation that exists to drive back racism – at a time when hate crimes have surged after a referendum campaign made inflammatory by politicians including Nigel Farage.
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Play Video. Duration:1:25[/url]Farage accuses Brendan Cox of backing extremist groups
[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/uk-news/2016/nov/23/thomas-mair-found-guilty-of-jo-cox-murder?ArticleReferrer=RichLink]Far-right terrorist Thomas Mair jailed for life for Jo Cox murder[/url]
Then came Farage’s sidekicks. “When are we allowed to say that Brendan Cox is a total arse?” tweeted the Breitbart columnist James Delingpole. “I’m sorry about his wife but he chose to massively politicise it. Who does that?” asked Ukip bankroller Arron Banks, accusing Jo’s widower – rather than the far-right terrorist who killed her – of politicising her death.
When Hope Not Hate threatened legal action to defend its reputation after being [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/video/2016/dec/20/farage-accuses-brendan-cox-of-backing-extremist-groups-video]smeared on national radio[/url] by a prominent politician, Farage’s henchman [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/oct/31/raheem-kassam-pulls-out-of-ukip-leadership-contest]Raheem Kassam[/url] accused the organisation of “using threats to attempt to silence political opposition. Idiots don’t realise how powerful he became this year”.
When Farage’s power was queried, Kassam responded with a picture of Farage and Donald Trump in the president-elect’s golden lift. Don’t mess with Farage, was Kassam’s implication, because he now has the patronage of the soon-to-be most powerful man on Earth. (You can donate to Hope not Hate’s ]legal fund here.)
These individuals are a political cesspit. They are almost farcically unpleasant comic-book villains. Kassam has called for [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/nicola-sturgeon]Nicola Sturgeon[/url]’s mouth to be taped shut, “and her legs so she can’t reproduce”, while Banks has ridiculed journalists for reporting racist incidents. Farage himself stood in front of a poster featuring dark-skinned migrants and the words “[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/jun/16/nigel-farage-defends-ukip-breaking-point-poster-queue-of-migrants]BREAKING POINT[/url]” just days before the referendum.
Some say: just ignore them. Treat them as internet trolls who thrive on attention. They want nothing more than to be ignored.
This is, I’m afraid, terribly naive. These individuals are transforming political culture in Britain. Consider how much more venomous, poisonous and intolerant politics has become in just the course of the year. Left unchecked, it will get much, much worse.
There is a deliberate attempt to delegitimise all shades of progressive opinion. This is the approach of the rightwing authoritarian populism sweeping the western world: to treat all left-of-centre opinion as illegitimate, extremist and even treasonous. The British press – dominated as it is by rightwing oligarchs – is instrumental in forging this intolerant new culture.
Two months ago, the Daily Mail – Britain’s second newspaper – had a front page that read: “[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/media/2016/oct/12/daily-mail-bremoaners-brexit-mps-cbi-bbc-paul-dacre]Damn the unpatriotic Bremoaners and their plot to subvert the will of the British people.[/url]” The Daily Express opted for “Time to silence EU exit whingers.” As [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/eu-referendum]Brexit[/url] encounters trouble – as it will – this will deteriorate, and rapidly so. Critics of the government’s Brexit agenda will be transformed into traitors and wreckers responsible for sabotaging Britain’s grand national revolution.
[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/us-news/2016/dec/20/donald-trump-apprentice-outtakes-tape-tom-arnold?ArticleReferrer=RichLink]Donald Trump on tape saying 'every racist thing ever', claims actor Tom Arnold[/url]
Online, you can see how hysteria and hatred are being stirred up. During the referendum campaign a far-right activist photoshopped a picture of me holding a whiteboard explaining my reasons for voting remain: it was changed to claim it was because “Britain’s loss of independence is justice for colonialism”. It was shared on various far-right websites, including Britain First. Using their own names, people responded by suggesting we “should start just shooting these freaks”, that I was “a traitor and [need] to be erased”, that I needed a “smack in the face with a baseball bat”, and so on.
From politicians to journalists, many of those deemed to be dissenting from the tide of rightwing populism have experienced the same. Next month Donald Trump will enter the White House, becoming the chief patron of the rightwing populists, and there will be many elections in which such movements are expected to succeed, such as in France and the Netherlands.
The atmosphere is intolerant now; the risk is it may become suffocating. And as it does, as more hysteria and hatred is stirred up, violent extremists – such as Jo Cox’s killer – will become ever more emboldened. For some reason we forget that it was only five years ago that the far-right terrorist [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/world/anders-behring-breivik]Anders Breivik[/url]marched on to a Norwegian island and murdered dozens of young socialists. Why? Because he considered them to be traitors to their country, responsible for the “Islamisation” of Norway and Europe.
We face a great danger, and not even those who will suffer because of it have realised just how grave it is. Intolerance and hatred have been legitimised across the western world. Dissent is becoming treason. That is bad enough. But there are other violent extremists who are being both radicalised and legitimised across the west. If we don’t take a stand now, new dark chapters are soon to arrive.
Nigel Farage’s attack on Jo Cox’s widower is a new low. Enough
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/21/nigel-farage-jo-cox-widower-treason-racism-intolerance?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
[size=39]Nigel Farage’s attack on Jo Cox’s widower is a new low. Enough
[url=x-gu://list/https://mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/profile/owen-jones]Owen Jones[/url]
Published:16:25 GMT+00:00 Wed 21 December 2016
[url=x-gu://follow/profile/owen-jones] Following Owen Jones[/url]
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[/url]‘These individuals are a political cesspit.’Photograph: Nigel Roddis/EPA
[size=35]These are times of grave danger, with dissent recast as treason, racism unchained and intolerance on the march. We must take a stand before things get even worse[/size][/size]
No more pussyfooting around: [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/nigel-farage]Nigel Farage[/url] and his associates have poisoned our country’s political culture, and it’s time to push back. Their offensive – in every sense of the word – has been so swift, so devastating, that we risk normalising it.
Let’s take a moment to absorb their latest intervention. In June this year, [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/jo-cox]Jo Cox[/url], a Labour MP, was murdered by [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/uk-news/2016/nov/23/thomas-mair-found-guilty-of-jo-cox-murder]Thomas Mair[/url], a fascist, white supremacist terrorist. As he stabbed and shot her, he yelled “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain!” This was a political act: the use of violence to achieve political ends. The individual who politicised Jo’s death was the terrorist who killed her.
If anybody has a right to speak out about the dangers of hatred and extremism in modern Britain, it is Jo’s bereaved husband, [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/nov/23/brendan-cox-youve-heard-so-much-about-jos-death-wed-like-to-talk-about-her-life]Brendan[/url].
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On Tuesday morning, hours after a [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/world/berlin-christmas-market-attack]truck was driven into a Berlin Christmas market[/url], Nigel Farage [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/dec/20/nigel-farage-accuses-jo-cox-widower-brendan-cox-of-supporting-extremism]spotted an opportunity[/url]. “Terrible news from Berlin but no surprise,” he wrote, not even bothering to separate his horror and his vindication with a comma. “Events like these will be the Merkel legacy.” [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/dec/20/nigel-farage-accuses-jo-cox-widower-brendan-cox-of-supporting-extremism]Brendan Cox’s response[/url] – “blaming politicians for the actions of extremists? That’s a slippery slope Nigel” – was logically flawless.
Farage’s response in turn – that Cox “would know more about extremists than me” because of his links to the anti-fascist organisation Hope Not Hate– is shocking on a number of levels. First, he is talking about a widower whose wife was murdered by an extremist six months ago. Second, he smeared an organisation that exists to drive back racism – at a time when hate crimes have surged after a referendum campaign made inflammatory by politicians including Nigel Farage.
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Play Video. Duration:1:25[/url]Farage accuses Brendan Cox of backing extremist groups[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/uk-news/2016/nov/23/thomas-mair-found-guilty-of-jo-cox-murder?ArticleReferrer=RichLink]Far-right terrorist Thomas Mair jailed for life for Jo Cox murder[/url]
Then came Farage’s sidekicks. “When are we allowed to say that Brendan Cox is a total arse?” tweeted the Breitbart columnist James Delingpole. “I’m sorry about his wife but he chose to massively politicise it. Who does that?” asked Ukip bankroller Arron Banks, accusing Jo’s widower – rather than the far-right terrorist who killed her – of politicising her death.
When Hope Not Hate threatened legal action to defend its reputation after being [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/video/2016/dec/20/farage-accuses-brendan-cox-of-backing-extremist-groups-video]smeared on national radio[/url] by a prominent politician, Farage’s henchman [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/oct/31/raheem-kassam-pulls-out-of-ukip-leadership-contest]Raheem Kassam[/url] accused the organisation of “using threats to attempt to silence political opposition. Idiots don’t realise how powerful he became this year”.
When Farage’s power was queried, Kassam responded with a picture of Farage and Donald Trump in the president-elect’s golden lift. Don’t mess with Farage, was Kassam’s implication, because he now has the patronage of the soon-to-be most powerful man on Earth. (You can donate to Hope not Hate’s ]legal fund here.)
These individuals are a political cesspit. They are almost farcically unpleasant comic-book villains. Kassam has called for [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/nicola-sturgeon]Nicola Sturgeon[/url]’s mouth to be taped shut, “and her legs so she can’t reproduce”, while Banks has ridiculed journalists for reporting racist incidents. Farage himself stood in front of a poster featuring dark-skinned migrants and the words “[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/jun/16/nigel-farage-defends-ukip-breaking-point-poster-queue-of-migrants]BREAKING POINT[/url]” just days before the referendum.
Some say: just ignore them. Treat them as internet trolls who thrive on attention. They want nothing more than to be ignored.
This is, I’m afraid, terribly naive. These individuals are transforming political culture in Britain. Consider how much more venomous, poisonous and intolerant politics has become in just the course of the year. Left unchecked, it will get much, much worse.
There is a deliberate attempt to delegitimise all shades of progressive opinion. This is the approach of the rightwing authoritarian populism sweeping the western world: to treat all left-of-centre opinion as illegitimate, extremist and even treasonous. The British press – dominated as it is by rightwing oligarchs – is instrumental in forging this intolerant new culture.
Two months ago, the Daily Mail – Britain’s second newspaper – had a front page that read: “[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/media/2016/oct/12/daily-mail-bremoaners-brexit-mps-cbi-bbc-paul-dacre]Damn the unpatriotic Bremoaners and their plot to subvert the will of the British people.[/url]” The Daily Express opted for “Time to silence EU exit whingers.” As [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/eu-referendum]Brexit[/url] encounters trouble – as it will – this will deteriorate, and rapidly so. Critics of the government’s Brexit agenda will be transformed into traitors and wreckers responsible for sabotaging Britain’s grand national revolution.
[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/us-news/2016/dec/20/donald-trump-apprentice-outtakes-tape-tom-arnold?ArticleReferrer=RichLink]Donald Trump on tape saying 'every racist thing ever', claims actor Tom Arnold[/url]
Online, you can see how hysteria and hatred are being stirred up. During the referendum campaign a far-right activist photoshopped a picture of me holding a whiteboard explaining my reasons for voting remain: it was changed to claim it was because “Britain’s loss of independence is justice for colonialism”. It was shared on various far-right websites, including Britain First. Using their own names, people responded by suggesting we “should start just shooting these freaks”, that I was “a traitor and [need] to be erased”, that I needed a “smack in the face with a baseball bat”, and so on.
From politicians to journalists, many of those deemed to be dissenting from the tide of rightwing populism have experienced the same. Next month Donald Trump will enter the White House, becoming the chief patron of the rightwing populists, and there will be many elections in which such movements are expected to succeed, such as in France and the Netherlands.
The atmosphere is intolerant now; the risk is it may become suffocating. And as it does, as more hysteria and hatred is stirred up, violent extremists – such as Jo Cox’s killer – will become ever more emboldened. For some reason we forget that it was only five years ago that the far-right terrorist [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/world/anders-behring-breivik]Anders Breivik[/url]marched on to a Norwegian island and murdered dozens of young socialists. Why? Because he considered them to be traitors to their country, responsible for the “Islamisation” of Norway and Europe.
We face a great danger, and not even those who will suffer because of it have realised just how grave it is. Intolerance and hatred have been legitimised across the western world. Dissent is becoming treason. That is bad enough. But there are other violent extremists who are being both radicalised and legitimised across the west. If we don’t take a stand now, new dark chapters are soon to arrive.
Nigel Farage’s attack on Jo Cox’s widower is a new low. Enough
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/21/nigel-farage-jo-cox-widower-treason-racism-intolerance?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones
by eddie Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:00 pm
Ziz wrote:eddie wrote:He should have the decency to apologise.
If he had decency he wouldn't have leached off the EU and then sought to do similar from Trump.
Yeah I'm not a fan of farage TBH - I liked his down to earth approach, the warts and all manner (I like politicians who are "real") but I didn't need like anything he stood for.
I miss Clegg.
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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones
by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:09 pm
eddie wrote:Ziz wrote:
If he had decency he wouldn't have leached off the EU and then sought to do similar from Trump.
Yeah I'm not a fan of farage TBH - I liked his down to earth approach, the warts and all manner (I like politicians who are "real") but I didn't need like anything he stood for.
I miss Clegg.
He is currently engaged in "secret" talks with Osbourne - something is afoot.
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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones
by eddie Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:38 pm
Ziz wrote:eddie wrote:Ziz wrote:
If he had decency he wouldn't have leached off the EU and then sought to do similar from Trump.
Yeah I'm not a fan of farage TBH - I liked his down to earth approach, the warts and all manner (I like politicians who are "real") but I didn't need like anything he stood for.
I miss Clegg.
He is currently engaged in "secret" talks with Osbourne - something is afoot.
Osbourne? As in George??
I hate that guy!
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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones
by Tommy Monk Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:14 pm
eddie wrote:He should have the decency to apologise.
I don't ever hear anyone apologise for the bullshit they say about farage/Ukip or their supporters...
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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones
by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:15 pm
He's money-grubbing, hate-mongering hypocrite, that's why.
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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones
by nicko Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:16 pm
A bit like Corbyn then, except for the money---------------then again.
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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones
by Raggamuffin Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:23 pm
On Tuesday morning, hours after a truck was driven into a Berlin Christmas market, Nigel Farage spotted an opportunity. “Terrible news from Berlin but no surprise,” he wrote, not even bothering to separate his horror and his vindication with a comma. “Events like these will be the Merkel legacy.” Brendan Cox’s response – “blaming politicians for the actions of extremists? That’s a slippery slope Nigel” – was logically flawless.
I've seen people on this forum blame politicians for the actions of extremists. They blame politicians for giving the order for military intervention, thereby excusing Islamic terrorist attacks in the US, the UK, and Europe generally. I've seen people on here excuse the IRA and blame the British Government - ie, politicians. What Nigel Farage said isn't much different is it?
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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones
by The Devil, You Know Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:54 pm
and then there's common sense
https://countrysquire.co.uk/2016/12/23/slipperals-owen-jones-mark-steel/amp/
https://countrysquire.co.uk/2016/12/23/slipperals-owen-jones-mark-steel/amp/
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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones
by Tommy Monk Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:40 am
The Devil, You Know wrote:and then there's common sense
https://countrysquire.co.uk/2016/12/23/slipperals-owen-jones-mark-steel/amp/
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