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Swearing in public.
Do you, or do you believe there is a time and a place for letting rip with the old four letter expletives?
Do you swear more than you used to or have you always been foul mouthed?
Is there anything wrong in it.....and has swearing become much more socially acceptable nowadays, if so....why?
Do you swear more than you used to or have you always been foul mouthed?
Is there anything wrong in it.....and has swearing become much more socially acceptable nowadays, if so....why?
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Syl wrote:Do you, or do you believe there is a time and a place for letting rip with the old four letter expletives?
Do you swear more than you used to or have you always been foul mouthed?
Is there anything wrong in it.....and has swearing become much more socially acceptable nowadays, if so....why?
I swear a lot among friends and some family in private. I don't swear at all in front of parents or Grandparents.
In public it depends on the place. A pub or on the street then I'll swear, not loudly but then I'd never speak so loudly that others could easily overhear anyway. But pretty much anywhere else- a park, a museum a restaurant etc- no.
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Syl wrote:Do you, or do you believe there is a time and a place for letting rip with the old four letter expletives?
Do you swear more than you used to or have you always been foul mouthed?
Is there anything wrong in it.....and has swearing become much more socially acceptable nowadays, if so....why?
You can blame the New Zealand Air Force for my swearing. I was the only girl working with them in Singapore and didn't realise how much I had picked up until my Dad said something. Can't say as it bothers me. Best put down I ever heard was from a very lovely girl in a bus queue who was being bothered by a fella who obviously thought he was the bees knees. She looked him up and down and in a VERY refined voice said 'I suggest you fuck right off'. He slunk away with his tail between his legs.
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Eilzel wrote:Syl wrote:Do you, or do you believe there is a time and a place for letting rip with the old four letter expletives?
Do you swear more than you used to or have you always been foul mouthed?
Is there anything wrong in it.....and has swearing become much more socially acceptable nowadays, if so....why?
I swear a lot among friends and some family in private. I don't swear at all in front of parents or Grandparents.
In public it depends on the place. A pub or on the street then I'll swear, not loudly but then I'd never speak so loudly that others could easily overhear anyway. But pretty much anywhere else- a park, a museum a restaurant etc- no.
I have one particular friend where we both swear a lot....always in fun though.
I dont swear much in general conversation though and I never swore in front of my Mum, she didn't like it.
Choosing films I thought she would like was always a bit tricky. I remember one we watched together was 'Planes, trains and automobiles'....she was really enjoying it till Steve Martins character let forth a stream of F words at the sarky woman behind the desk.....she felt a bit let down after that.
Now it's impossible to watch a film, even a cert 12 that doesn't have swearing in it.
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sassy wrote:Syl wrote:Do you, or do you believe there is a time and a place for letting rip with the old four letter expletives?
Do you swear more than you used to or have you always been foul mouthed?
Is there anything wrong in it.....and has swearing become much more socially acceptable nowadays, if so....why?
You can blame the New Zealand Air Force for my swearing. I was the only girl working with them in Singapore and didn't realise how much I had picked up until my Dad said something. Can't say as it bothers me. Best put down I ever heard was from a very lovely girl in a bus queue who was being bothered by a fella who obviously thought he was the bees knees. She looked him up and down and in a VERY refined voice said 'I suggest you fuck right off'. He slunk away with his tail between his legs.
Lol....sometimes using a swear word makes all the difference.
Swearing doesn't really bother me now, when I was younger it wasn't the norm to pepper every sentence with the F word, now, for some it's used all the time, so it certainly holds no shock value.
I hate to hear it said in front of children though....I do believe there is a time and a place.
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I do hate to be swore AT though....if anyone swears at me...that's a different matter.
Off to shop. x
Off to shop. x
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I swear whenever and wherever I feel like it. Sometimes it's often and other times, not so often.
They're just words. Who is it that told us they were bad? Who is this Lord of the Words?
He can fuck right off.
They're just words. Who is it that told us they were bad? Who is this Lord of the Words?
He can fuck right off.
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I hate to hear swearing unless someone is angry, or joking no need for it tbh.
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Best to avoid some of my posts then, little delicate ears
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I do swear on occasions, yes...
...but mostly for emphasis and dependent on company.
No, I don't think it is any more or less common than in ye olde days.
Crikey!
...but mostly for emphasis and dependent on company.
No, I don't think it is any more or less common than in ye olde days.
Crikey!
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I was just about to do this very same thread, for a discussion. It's an amazing coincidence when two people have the same idea together ...... though my own thread would have specifically addressed the attitude of gender intolerance (ie sex discrimination) of swearing, on forums. I'm really glad someone else has done this thread cos it's saved me the trouble.
The two main points I'd have wanted to make are:
1. Why do some incredibly old fashioned people grumble that it's bad when women swear?? If you hate swearing then surely you should equally criticise BOTH men and women swearing. Strange to see people selectively criticise female swearing, yet tolerate men turning the air blue, or even find it funny.
2. Remember that on forums, all women use the F word. There are no exceptions that I know of.
The two main points I'd have wanted to make are:
1. Why do some incredibly old fashioned people grumble that it's bad when women swear?? If you hate swearing then surely you should equally criticise BOTH men and women swearing. Strange to see people selectively criticise female swearing, yet tolerate men turning the air blue, or even find it funny.
2. Remember that on forums, all women use the F word. There are no exceptions that I know of.
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Frankly I'm bored rigid with this specific gender intolerance, whereby some people are quite happy for men to swear, yet frown on women doing so. And they grumble about it AD NAUSEUM!!! Stop grumbling about women using the F word. It's 2016, not the 16th century.
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My daughter phoned me up in a posh cafe, my phone was on autospeaker on account of my being 60% deaf.
Her words , to my horror were " I think I've broken my toe. It fucking hurts like fuck".
I drank my latte quickly!
Her words , to my horror were " I think I've broken my toe. It fucking hurts like fuck".
I drank my latte quickly!
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I dont generally swear much in public unless someone REALLY riles me OR i hurt myself....
the last time I turned the air blue in public was when i slammed my car door shut.......with my finger still in the way
the last time I turned the air blue in public was when i slammed my car door shut.......with my finger still in the way
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Jules wrote:Frankly I'm bored rigid with this specific gender intolerance, whereby some people are quite happy for men to swear, yet frown on women doing so. And they grumble about it AD NAUSEUM!!! Stop grumbling about women using the F word. It's 2016, not the 16th century.
I quite fucking agree!
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eddie wrote:Best to avoid some of my posts then, little delicate ears
Fuck off
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magica wrote:eddie wrote:Best to avoid some of my posts then, little delicate ears
Fuck off
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Syl wrote:Do you, or do you believe there is a time and a place for letting rip with the old four letter expletives?
Do you swear more than you used to or have you always been foul mouthed?
Is there anything wrong in it.....and has swearing become much more socially acceptable nowadays, if so....why?
I swear like a fucker at home and on forums. But not in public or in social situations.
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I swear whenever I want but I don't swear like some, with every other word.
I kind of refuse to not be me.
I kind of refuse to not be me.
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eddie wrote:magica wrote:
Fuck off
glad you saw I was joking Eddie x
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magica wrote:eddie wrote:magica wrote:
Fuck off
glad you saw I was joking Eddie x
Of course, magic.
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I don't swear much in public -- I always think there might be a little kid somewhere that I can't see, and I don't believe in cursing in front of children. But with friends, family, neighbors, on forums, on Twitter, to my boss -- you bet your sweet ass I swear.
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Bae the Cray wrote:I don't swear much in public -- I always think there might be a little kid somewhere that I can't see, and I don't believe in cursing in front of children. But with friends, family, neighbors, on forums, on Twitter, to my boss -- you bet your sweet ass I swear.
Damn those kids spoiling the swearing fun. Fuck it.
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magica wrote:I hate to hear swearing unless someone is angry, or joking no need for it tbh.
Or if you drop something heavy on your toe....is it OK then?
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Ziz wrote:I do swear on occasions, yes...
...but mostly for emphasis and dependent on company.
No, I don't think it is any more or less common than in ye olde days.
Crikey!
In my experience swearing is definitely more common nowadays, I think films and TV are probably to blame for that.
Surely you remember the days when the F word was not allowed on TV.....I think the first time I heard it in a film was when Barbara Streisand said it in a film where she played a hooker...that was probably in the 70's..
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Jules wrote:I was just about to do this very same thread, for a discussion. It's an amazing coincidence when two people have the same idea together ...... though my own thread would have specifically addressed the attitude of gender intolerance (ie sex discrimination) of swearing, on forums. I'm really glad someone else has done this thread cos it's saved me the trouble.
The two main points I'd have wanted to make are:
1. Why do some incredibly old fashioned people grumble that it's bad when women swear?? If you hate swearing then surely you should equally criticise BOTH men and women swearing. Strange to see people selectively criticise female swearing, yet tolerate men turning the air blue, or even find it funny.
2. Remember that on forums, all women use the F word. There are no exceptions that I know of.
It's a coincidence when someone starts a thread about the very same topic you were going to write about....there could have been something in the news to trigger the thought, but I don't remember reading anything today...it just seemed like a good idea.
Good points, but I don't often see women being singled out for bad language when men are not....I think either people disapprove of swearing or they don't...it's a bit sexist to comment on female only bad language.
I don't think I do use the F word on forums.....I cant ever remember doing so anyway....I prefer to say the P word, and then very sparingly when someone has really pissed me off.
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Bae the Cray wrote:I don't swear much in public -- I always think there might be a little kid somewhere that I can't see, and I don't believe in cursing in front of children. But with friends, family, neighbors, on forums, on Twitter, to my boss -- you bet your sweet ass I swear.
I hate to hear people swearing in front of children, even worse swearing at them.
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Syl wrote:Bae the Cray wrote:I don't swear much in public -- I always think there might be a little kid somewhere that I can't see, and I don't believe in cursing in front of children. But with friends, family, neighbors, on forums, on Twitter, to my boss -- you bet your sweet ass I swear.
I hate to hear people swearing in front of children, even worse swearing at them.
Me too Syl I don't swear in front of my grandkids and never at them either, or my own. No need for that.
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Oldies are the besties Major
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Major wrote:I only swear when it slips out.
Tin hat time.
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Syl wrote:Jules wrote:I was just about to do this very same thread, for a discussion. It's an amazing coincidence when two people have the same idea together ...... though my own thread would have specifically addressed the attitude of gender intolerance (ie sex discrimination) of swearing, on forums. I'm really glad someone else has done this thread cos it's saved me the trouble.
The two main points I'd have wanted to make are:
1. Why do some incredibly old fashioned people grumble that it's bad when women swear?? If you hate swearing then surely you should equally criticise BOTH men and women swearing. Strange to see people selectively criticise female swearing, yet tolerate men turning the air blue, or even find it funny.
2. Remember that on forums, all women use the F word. There are no exceptions that I know of.
It's a coincidence when someone starts a thread about the very same topic you were going to write about....there could have been something in the news to trigger the thought, but I don't remember reading anything today...it just seemed like a good idea.
Good points, but I don't often see women being singled out for bad language when men are not....I think either people disapprove of swearing or they don't...it's a bit sexist to comment on female only bad language.
I don't think I do use the F word on forums.....I cant ever remember doing so anyway....I prefer to say the P word, and then very sparingly when someone has really pissed me off.
I've certainly seen you say the F word, Syl.
I know you haven't asked for proof, but I've provided proof anyway, cos the circumstances were very funny indeed, hahaha.
I have already sent you a quick PM with the date, time and even a screengrab, so that you can revisit the thread yourself, if you wish, to refresh your memory.
You will giggle when you see the proof - you were having a tit for tat slanging match with a ***strange*** woman.
To be fair to you, it's the only time that I've seen you say the F word.
Fun times.
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I admit it....You have reminded me and it appears I did say it once, tongue in cheek but I said it never the less.
It was over three years ago though.....so I'm not surprised I forgot.
It was over three years ago though.....so I'm not surprised I forgot.
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Syl wrote:Ziz wrote:I do swear on occasions, yes...
...but mostly for emphasis and dependent on company.
No, I don't think it is any more or less common than in ye olde days.
Crikey!
In my experience swearing is definitely more common nowadays, I think films and TV are probably to blame for that.
Surely you remember the days when the F word was not allowed on TV.....I think the first time I heard it in a film was when Barbara Streisand said it in a film where she played a hooker...that was probably in the 70's..
the first time I heard the F word on TV would be around '73-'75 ish whilst still at college
in the original monty python parrot sketch
it is dead, deceased, defunct ...it is no longer with us....in fact its fucking snuffed it......or some such
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Syl wrote:
I have one particular friend where we both swear a lot....always in fun though.
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I also have such a friend and I spent most of last saturday having coffee and cake, and listening to Ari Up songs with her ... and swearing a lotwhen we felt like it. .
Ari Up was a German girl from a very wealthy family, she was lead singer of The Slits, was briefly married to John Lyndon/Johnny Rotten of sex pistols.
She had dreadlocked hair down to her fooking knees.
Poor lass, died of cancer last year. She'd had a happy life though
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The first time I noticed repeated swearing on TV was in the soap Brookside. They said 'bastard' quite a lot....when my young son said it once I decided to not watch it again when he was around.
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I only reminded you to make you laugh.Syl wrote:I admit it....You have reminded me and it appears I did say it once, tongue in cheek but I said it never the less.
It was over three years ago though.....so I'm not surprised I forgot.
The row you were having with the woman was funny.
I remembered it cos we all had a laugh about it afterwards.
In was most definitely on your side.
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Major wrote:Jules wrote:
I've certainly seen you say the F word, Syl.
I know you haven't asked for proof, but I've provided proof anyway, cos the circumstances were very funny indeed, hahaha.
I have already sent you a quick PM with the date, time and even a screengrab, so that you can revisit the thread yourself, if you wish, to refresh your memory.
You will giggle when you see the proof - you were having a tit for tat slanging match with a ***strange*** woman.
To be fair to you, it's the only time that I've seen you say the F word.
Fun times.
STALKING someone else now. Going back on posts somewhere else, how sad..
I NEVER F on forums, you do.
Fuck off .
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Jules wrote:I only reminded you to make you laugh.Syl wrote:I admit it....You have reminded me and it appears I did say it once, tongue in cheek but I said it never the less.
It was over three years ago though.....so I'm not surprised I forgot.
The row you were having with the woman was funny.
I remembered it cos we all had a laugh about it afterwards.
In was most definitely on your side.
No probs....I don't mind being reminded of things I have said 3 years ago....especially when it was funny, and in the context that was said it was.
I do remember lots of stuff from years gone by on forums, sometimes I have a look back at long forgotten threads and have a giggle to myself.
Tell you what though Jules.....some of the stuff we all came out with in those days (I have to say it was usually in retaliation) but it was bloody good stuff.
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are you trying to say something jules????
Is there a message in your post there?
Is there a message in your post there?
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Shut up major. Clearly a joke being remembered between two posters, no need to stick your oar in.
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Nope !Lord Foul wrote:are you trying to say something jules????
Is there a message in your post there?
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YES it was jolly good funSyl wrote:Jules wrote:
I only reminded you to make you laugh.
The row you were having with the woman was funny.
I remembered it cos we all had a laugh about it afterwards.
In was most definitely on your side.
No probs....I don't mind being reminded of things I have said 3 years ago....especially when it was funny, and in the context that was said it was.
I do remember lots of stuff from years gone by on forums, sometimes I have a look back at long forgotten threads and have a giggle to myself.
Tell you what though Jules.....some of the stuff we all came out with in those days (I have to say it was usually in retaliation) but it was bloody good stuff.
We all had a laugh.
Great times.
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Exactlyeddie wrote:Shut up major. Clearly a joke being remembered between two posters, no need to stick your oar in.
I was just reminiscing about nostalgic old times with Syl, we all had great fun.
I'll go and play some more Ari Up songs, loved them.
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