Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
+4
Syl
nicko
Tommy Monk
HoratioTarr
8 posters
Page 1 of 1
Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
A 14-year-old girl who died from cancer has become the first British child to be cryogenically frozen after a judge agreed to her dying wish so that one day she could 'be cured and woken up'.
The teenager, who cannot be named, died last month and is now in a 'cryostat' tank at around -196C (-321F) inside the Michigan-based Cryonics Institute, it can be reported for the first time today.
She was at the centre of a fierce legal battle between her divorced parents - with her mother agreeing to her wish to be frozen while her estranged father refused because of its £37,000 cost and the brutal process of preserving her.
During the landmark case she wrote an extraordinary letter to a judge while on her death bed.
She said: 'I am only 14-years-old and I don't want to die but I know I am going to die.
'I want to live and live longer and I think that in the future they may find a cure for my cancer and wake me up. I want to have this chance. This is my wish.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3947826/Teenager-cancer-victim-14-British-child-cryogenically-frozen-winning-court-battle-against-father.html
HoratioTarr- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 10037
Join date : 2014-01-12
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
The only people ever to benefit from this is the fat cats at the cryo company. Very sad but typical of our times.
HoratioTarr- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 10037
Join date : 2014-01-12
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
So who's paying for it...?
Tommy Monk- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 26319
Join date : 2014-02-12
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
It doesn't work, deep frozen causes blood to "crystalise" and destroys blood platelets. Now that is something I remember reading about.
I am sure i'v got it wrong, so can some "expert" put me right please?
I am sure i'v got it wrong, so can some "expert" put me right please?
nicko- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 13368
Join date : 2013-12-07
Age : 83
Location : rainbow bridge
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
If it was to work and she was to be brought back to life in the distant future....what a giant step for mankind that would be.
Not something I would ever want to do in a million years, but at 14 she has not had the chance to live at all, so I can understand why she would want this.
Not something I would ever want to do in a million years, but at 14 she has not had the chance to live at all, so I can understand why she would want this.
Syl- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 23619
Join date : 2015-11-12
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
The child is dead. If she was my child I would not want her waking into a strange world far into the future where any nightmare might befall her. Leave her at rest - and at peace.
Guest- Guest
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
Agreed ziz.
nicko- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 13368
Join date : 2013-12-07
Age : 83
Location : rainbow bridge
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
nicko wrote:It doesn't work, deep frozen causes blood to "crystalise" and destroys blood platelets. Now that is something I remember reading about.
I am sure i'v got it wrong, so can some "expert" put me right please?
This will explain how it works
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/genetic/cryonics2.htm
Spindleshanks- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 730
Join date : 2014-01-13
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
I got the basics right didn't I.?
nicko- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 13368
Join date : 2013-12-07
Age : 83
Location : rainbow bridge
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
nicko wrote:
It doesn't work, deep frozen causes blood to "crystalise" and destroys blood platelets. Now that is something I remember reading about.
I am sure i'v got it wrong, so can some "expert" put me right please?
Yep, deep freezing will destroy bllod cells, both red bllod cells (platelets) and 'white blood cells' (leucocytes), and anything else; nicko...
But, there's even more :
Deep freezing meat (i.e. muscles, and large organs..) -- the intercellular and intracellular fluids expand when frozen, butsting the cell walls (for a clear demonstration, leave a bottle of water, or beer, in a freezer for a few hours..). When thawed, these fluids will mix together, than start attacking/digesting the cells, and then the surrounding tissues.. Just look at how thawed out meat and poultry goes 'slimy' if left thawed, and not cooked immediately; and how that meat that's thawed and re-frozen will turn out weird and funky, even if it hasn't gone off...
And, you can also consider what it's like with severe frost bite -- it can be treated, but it can't be "cured", nor reversed. Once somebody has had bad frost bite on an extremity, that part ofmthe body can't be allowed,to re-freeze, else it's lost..
Some of those companies offering the false hopes of cryogenics will drain the blood,and lymphatic fluid from the corpse -- but they can't do anything about the cell structures.. Yet another scam, on the part of those companies.
Also, even if the brain wasn't reduced to mush from freezing and thawing, there won't be anything in there -- any memories, thoughts, personalty, character traits -- all of that disappears once the 'spark' is gone.. Once you're 'brain dead', you're permanently dead...
And for anyone who believes in souls/spirits/ a"life force" -- that soul or spirit has lost it's connection with the body once deceased -- never to return.. IF some future 'Dr. Frankenstein' were to re-animate a frozen corpse, would it be anything more than an unfeeling, unthinking and soulless zombie lump of meat ?
The very fact that some unscrupolous companies are offering the false hopes of cryogenically storing a corpse until some miracle cure is available in some far-off fanciful future, only goes to prove that it doesn't necessarily take intelligence to gain excessive wealth -- some people really DO have too much money..
'Wolfie- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 8189
Join date : 2016-02-24
Age : 66
Location : Lake Macquarie, NSW, Australia
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
nicko wrote:It doesn't work, deep frozen causes blood to "crystalise" and destroys blood platelets. Now that is something I remember reading about.
I am sure i'v got it wrong, so can some "expert" put me right please?
I think the blood gets drained...?
eddie- King of Beards. Keeper of the Whip. Top Chef. BEES!!!!!! Mushroom muncher. Spider aficionado!
- Posts : 43129
Join date : 2013-07-28
Age : 25
Location : England
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
There's the ethical standpoint too. All that money could have been put towards research into her disease, or perhaps some of her healthy organs might have been donated, like her corneas. Death is death, and it's as much a part of life as being born. Our whole attitude to death is often one based on fear.
HoratioTarr- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 10037
Join date : 2014-01-12
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:nicko wrote:
It doesn't work, deep frozen causes blood to "crystalise" and destroys blood platelets. Now that is something I remember reading about.
I am sure i'v got it wrong, so can some "expert" put me right please?
Yep, deep freezing will destroy bllod cells, both red bllod cells (platelets) and 'white blood cells' (leucocytes), and anything else; nicko...
But, there's even more :
Deep freezing meat (i.e. muscles, and large organs..) -- the intercellular and intracellular fluids expand when frozen, butsting the cell walls (for a clear demonstration, leave a bottle of water, or beer, in a freezer for a few hours..). When thawed, these fluids will mix together, than start attacking/digesting the cells, and then the surrounding tissues.. Just look at how thawed out meat and poultry goes 'slimy' if left thawed, and not cooked immediately; and how that meat that's thawed and re-frozen will turn out weird and funky, even if it hasn't gone off...
And, you can also consider what it's like with severe frost bite -- it can be treated, but it can't be "cured", nor reversed. Once somebody has had bad frost bite on an extremity, that part ofmthe body can't be allowed,to re-freeze, else it's lost..
Some of those companies offering the false hopes of cryogenics will drain the blood,and lymphatic fluid from the corpse -- but they can't do anything about the cell structures.. Yet another scam, on the part of those companies.
Also, even if the brain wasn't reduced to mush from freezing and thawing, there won't be anything in there -- any memories, thoughts, personalty, character traits -- all of that disappears once the 'spark' is gone.. Once you're 'brain dead', you're permanently dead...
And for anyone who believes in souls/spirits/ a"life force" -- that soul or spirit has lost it's connection with the body once deceased -- never to return.. IF some future 'Dr. Frankenstein' were to re-animate a frozen corpse, would it be anything more than an unfeeling, unthinking and soulless zombie lump of meat ?
The very fact that some unscrupolous companies are offering the false hopes of cryogenically storing a corpse until some miracle cure is available in some far-off fanciful future, only goes to prove that it doesn't necessarily take intelligence to gain excessive wealth -- some people really DO have too much money..
I'm no fan of cryogenics but according to that link the brain takes several minutes after the heart stops beating (which they call legal death) to cease functioning. The link claims that as soon as the heart stops they preserve the brain function by ensuring it still gets oxygen which to me sounds like they put the person onto a form of life support after death.
Spindleshanks- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 730
Join date : 2014-01-13
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
Ziz wrote:The child is dead. If she was my child I would not want her waking into a strange world far into the future where any nightmare might befall her. Leave her at rest - and at peace.
Neither would I, all the people who love her in this world will probably be long dead.
But if this was her one wish before she died.....as a parent could you deny her that? I don't know whether I could if she was my child.
Syl- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 23619
Join date : 2015-11-12
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
I wouldn't want it either. How do they know how these people will wake up, if they do. They are brain dead, so be like zombies. Their memory will be gone too. How do they propose to heal them in the future if they died from the illness. I can understand maybe if they're still alive and put in limbo for a cure, but not when dead. Nothing left of them at all, their souls/spirit/essence will have gone.
magica- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 3092
Join date : 2016-08-22
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
It's all a bit science fiction/ horror really.
I read the girls dad who also had cancer was prevented from seeing his daughter for years. Even at the end her mother denied him that right.
I read the girls dad who also had cancer was prevented from seeing his daughter for years. Even at the end her mother denied him that right.
Syl- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 23619
Join date : 2015-11-12
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
Syl wrote:Ziz wrote:The child is dead. If she was my child I would not want her waking into a strange world far into the future where any nightmare might befall her. Leave her at rest - and at peace.
Neither would I, all the people who love her in this world will probably be long dead.
But if this was her one wish before she died.....as a parent could you deny her that? I don't know whether I could if she was my child.
Yes I could deny it - until she is of age it is my legal responsibility to decide what is best for her welfare - besides, she's in no position to complain.
Guest- Guest
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
Ziz wrote:Syl wrote:
Neither would I, all the people who love her in this world will probably be long dead.
But if this was her one wish before she died.....as a parent could you deny her that? I don't know whether I could if she was my child.
Yes I could deny it - until she is of age it is my legal responsibility to decide what is best for her welfare - besides, she's in no position to complain.
Yes, I have thought more about this and I think I would probably agree with you.
Syl- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 23619
Join date : 2015-11-12
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
Have you seen how much this costs? I think it's a con trick.
nicko- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 13368
Join date : 2013-12-07
Age : 83
Location : rainbow bridge
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
I do Nicko, how would anyone really know what they do after they've taken the money? No one is going to be alive to see this either. I think its all wrong.
magica- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 3092
Join date : 2016-08-22
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
Ziz wrote:The child is dead. If she was my child I would not want her waking into a strange world far into the future where any nightmare might befall her. Leave her at rest - and at peace.
Absolutely agree.
I find the idea hideous.
eddie- King of Beards. Keeper of the Whip. Top Chef. BEES!!!!!! Mushroom muncher. Spider aficionado!
- Posts : 43129
Join date : 2013-07-28
Age : 25
Location : England
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
WHAT HAPPENS if the company involved goes bust ???
Even if certain guarantees, insurances and security were put in place to protect against straight-forward financial problems, there's still plenty of possible physical problems that could quite easily "upset their apple cart".. E.g. :
Power failures
Mechanical breakdowns
Earthquakes
Civil wars, unrest
Major wars
Mankind goes extinct
The World Ends before anyone finds (a) a way to successfully revive those corpses; and (b) a way to cure whatever ailed them.
'Wolfie- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 8189
Join date : 2016-02-24
Age : 66
Location : Lake Macquarie, NSW, Australia
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
Apparently the father has not been able to see the daughter for 9 years because of the mother not letting him see her!
Tommy Monk- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 26319
Join date : 2014-02-12
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
Tommy Monk wrote:Apparently the father has not been able to see the daughter for 9 years because of the mother not letting him see her!
I already pointed that out Tommy.
Syl- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 23619
Join date : 2015-11-12
Tommy Monk- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 26319
Join date : 2014-02-12
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
Can we not have a "whip round" and pay for Tony Bliar to have it done NOW?
nicko- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 13368
Join date : 2013-12-07
Age : 83
Location : rainbow bridge
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
No problem.
I did wonder when I read that what sort of a mother she was to not allow the girls dad, who had cancer himself, to see his own daughter when she was dying.
I did wonder when I read that what sort of a mother she was to not allow the girls dad, who had cancer himself, to see his own daughter when she was dying.
Syl- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 23619
Join date : 2015-11-12
Re: Teenager cancer victim, 14, becomes the first British child to be cryogenically FROZEN
Nicko... been reading that twat is trying to get involved in uk politics again...!
Tommy Monk- Forum Detective ????♀️
- Posts : 26319
Join date : 2014-02-12
Similar topics
» Frozen child: The youngest person to be cryogenically preserved
» Frozen child: The youngest person to be cryogenically preserved
» British victim dismissed from Vatican inquiry into clerical sex abuse
» British paedophile 'planned to marry victim and abuse foster children'
» Obesity kills British boy, 13: 16st teen becomes UK’s youngest weight-crisis victim after dying from a blood clot ‘caused by his size’
» Frozen child: The youngest person to be cryogenically preserved
» British victim dismissed from Vatican inquiry into clerical sex abuse
» British paedophile 'planned to marry victim and abuse foster children'
» Obesity kills British boy, 13: 16st teen becomes UK’s youngest weight-crisis victim after dying from a blood clot ‘caused by his size’
Page 1 of 1
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:28 pm by Ben Reilly
» TOTAL MADNESS Great British Railway Journeys among shows flagged by counter terror scheme ‘for encouraging far-right sympathies
Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:14 pm by Tommy Monk
» Interesting COVID figures
Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:00 am by Tommy Monk
» HAPPY CHRISTMAS.
Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:33 pm by Tommy Monk
» The Fight Over Climate Change is Over (The Greenies Won!)
Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:59 pm by Tommy Monk
» Trump supporter murders wife, kills family dog, shoots daughter
Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:21 am by 'Wolfie
» Quill
Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:28 pm by Tommy Monk
» Algerian Woman under investigation for torture and murder of French girl, 12, whose body was found in plastic case in Paris
Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:04 pm by Tommy Monk
» Wind turbines cool down the Earth (edited with better video link)
Sun Oct 16, 2022 9:19 am by Ben Reilly
» Saying goodbye to our Queen.
Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:02 pm by Maddog
» PHEW.
Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:33 pm by Syl
» And here's some more enrichment...
Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:46 pm by Ben Reilly
» John F Kennedy Assassination
Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:40 pm by Ben Reilly
» Where is everyone lately...?
Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:33 pm by Ben Reilly
» London violence over the weekend...
Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:19 pm by Tommy Monk
» Why should anyone believe anything that Mo Farah says...!?
Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:44 am by Tommy Monk
» Liverpool Labour defends mayor role poll after turnout was only 3% and they say they will push ahead with the option that was least preferred!!!
Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:11 pm by Tommy Monk
» Labour leader Keir Stammer can't answer the simple question of whether a woman has a penis or not...
Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:58 am by Tommy Monk
» More evidence of remoaners still trying to overturn Brexit... and this is a conservative MP who should be drummed out of the party and out of parliament!
Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:50 pm by Tommy Monk
» R Kelly 30 years, Ghislaine Maxwell 20 years... but here in UK...
Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:31 pm by Original Quill