Tory Britain

scrat wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


The rent may well be £1200 a month... but that is £14400 a year of taxpayers cash... plus £6000 a year for each of their childrens school places... plus all the other cash benefits they are getting each week, probably another £300-400 a week = £15000-20000 a year... plus the nhs is paying for his college/uni course costs!!!


Also they will be getting council tax paid and school meals free etc...!!!


Add it all up and it's over £100,000 a year!!!!



Even if he does qualify and end up getting a job... the family will still end up costing us 10 times more than he will pay in tax every year!!!


How can you idiot lefties moan about lack of funds for some while supporting the insanity of allowing such massive drains on funds by other foreigners who shouldn't even be in the country...!!!???

perspective is a truly great utility to possess.

At the last count there were five families claiming over £100,000 in benefit, and yet MPs claim close to £200,000 in expenses and £90,000 in salaries.

But because you're a far right extremist you think these MPs who voted to take £30pw from disabled folk are more worthy.

The demented logic of the far right mind!

Raggamuffin wrote:

scrat wrote:
Well out of a population of 65MIllion 5 families do.

It's establishment propaganda, punted out by far right westboro church extremists like yourself, it's what you do because it feeds your bitterness and hatred, and bitterness and hatred floats your boat.

It pisses me off when people take the piss, but some perspective please!,,,your fanatical hypocrisy is enough to make me gak!

Prove that I'm a far right Westboro church extremist, or accept that you're a liar. You've already lied about me several times, and yet your cheerleader thinks that you're such a truthful little soul.

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Prove that I'm a far right Westboro church extremist, or accept that you're a liar. You've already lied about me several times, and yet your cheerleader thinks that you're such a truthful little soul.

I won't go further down the faith rode as I know it's a tetchy subject, especially with those who use Christianity as a weapon, its poor form because I was lead to believe that Jesus was here for all of us, is he not here for me?

And Christians makes the nastiest of Far right folk, I mean who would concentrate their wrath on 5 rather large families, whilst trying to catch butterflies floating off with £TRILLIONS.

Tommy Monk wrote:

scrat wrote:
perspective is a truly great utility to possess.

At the last count there were five families claiming over £100,000 in benefit, and yet MPs claim close to £200,000 in expenses and £90,000 in salaries.

But because you're a far right extremist you think these MPs who voted to take £30pw from disabled folk are more worthy.

The demented logic of the far right mind!

The demented thinking is yours scrat...!

If I say I don't agree with one thing... it does not mean that I am supporting some other thing of your choosing...!!!

Try sticking to things I have said instead of things you are making up in your fantasy world of things you like to think I've said...

scrat wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

scrat wrote:
Its worrying that far right extremists like TC think that their hatred for the poor, the sick and the disabled is normal and should be encouraged because they believe that serving their betters and hoping to feed off the crumbs is their purpose in this life, I try to think about it logically,,,,,, no one with a free mind, free from the brainwashing of the state, free from the establishment propaganda would allow the poor, the sick and the disabled to suffer.

its amazing that you are stupid enough to think I'm a far right extremist since a) I havnt said any of those things...(you REALLY should learn to stop being such a damnable liar)  and b) I have repeatedly posted here and elsewhere my views as to a possible solution, but no one bothered to engage the ideas..although to his credit I have to say it seems your Mr Corbyn "adopted" one or two ideas.....no where near strong enough and no where near enough but its a start I suppose.

See scrat...the issue YOU have is that like most of the left today ...you are just plain dumb.....YOU actually......are NOT "extreme" enough  you only tackle half or less of the problem......you are too easily distracted and take your eye off the ball....

there are BILLIONS...missing from the tax take...and even closing up the loop holes wont suffice...

yiou lefty idiots weighd down on smokers...the result.....people stopped smoking...result huge losses in tax revenue, with any expected benefits in terms of lower illness rates not expected for 20 years..  (on top of which the revenue from tobacco paid far more than the cost of the resultant ilnesses...(and its disturbingly becomming a distinct possibility that smoking itself ISNT the demon it was thought to be at least in cancer terms....but thats a whole different can of worms for another time...)

electric cars will further rob the tax income.....ya cant tax electricity....well not like petrol anyhows....

so....

why not (and this is from those posts I made)
Legalise canabis and make it dutiable like booze?
legalise prostitution (with the same safeguards for the girls as the have in say austria) then you can tax the girls income, get VAT off the "sales of service"

oooh "my god how the money rolls in"

half a job scrat...thats the problem

oh and also the fact that folks are sick of little grey politicians serving up the "same old same old" back and forth

and then there are people like YOU (and a few others) who are to recruiting for labour what ghengis Khan was to diplomacy

(hint ...you dont gain voters by abusing folks into line.....)

Sounds like your betters are the tobacco and petrochemical industries, good, honest and reliable far right credentials.

You only delude yourself!

Raggamuffin wrote:

scrat wrote:
I won't go further down the faith rode as I know it's a tetchy subject, especially with those who use Christianity as a weapon, its poor form because I was lead to believe that Jesus was here for all of us, is he not here for me?

And Christians makes the nastiest of Far right folk, I mean who would concentrate their wrath on 5 rather large families, whilst trying to catch butterflies floating off with £TRILLIONS.

For once, you show some sense in backing off because I haven't mentioned religion - you were the one who introduced the Westboro church and Christianity into this discussion - for no apparent reason other than that you're clearly a bigoted fool.

Be careful not to do it again, otherwise you might fall foul of the rules.

Lord Foul wrote:

scrat wrote:
Sounds like your betters are the tobacco and petrochemical industries, good, honest and reliable far right credentials.

You only delude yourself!

sounds like you are a bigger dumbfuck than I thought you could possibly be....

I'm pointing out simple facts....

these things have happened and are causing a loss of revenue...a LARGE...loss of revenue....

I suppose you could tax electric vehicles "by the mile" but you may well find that there is an objection to more state surveillance (via the necessary "monitoring system" to make that work) you could I suppose simply make the VED £5000 a year...but who's going to be able to find that in one lump sum? and in any case thats unfair, since that dosnt account for "use"

the tobacco thing ... dunno...but there is some evidence that the supposed rise in cancer rates due to smoking isnt actually so...... However of course there is no denying that the other effects are just as deadly so the justification for getting people to stop remains.....HOWEVER...the loss of revenue is going to hurt

and it WILL need to be relaced by revenue from somewhere else

of course YOUR only answer is tax the rich......

but that will not replace the loss of revenue from both these sources....

because...beyond a certain point the rich will just swan off elsewhere, they have NO loyalty to the country, and the means to go elsewhere if they wish....By all means they should pay their dues, and the existing loopholes should be stopped up, but you cant squeeze for ever.....

you aint got a clue....

what part of "you need to find alternative sources of tax revenue" dont you /cant you grasp??

what kind of moron put in place policies that would reduce the revenue tax intake, regardless of the "good" it will do.......without FIRST ear marking a replacement fgs?

thats like quitting your job...without having the next one in the bag....

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

For once, you show some sense in backing off because I haven't mentioned religion - you were the one who introduced the Westboro church and Christianity into this discussion - for no apparent reason other than that you're clearly a bigoted fool.

Be careful not to do it again, otherwise you might fall foul of the rules.

Yuletide is fast upon us, I must have seen you astride the donkey, lead by a stern looking TC all off to the barn in Bethlehem, with your entourage of "god hates faggots" flags waving in the desolate dessert.

Stop giving me negative waves!

Raggamuffin wrote:

scrat wrote:
Yuletide is fast upon us, I must have seen you astride the donkey, lead by a stern looking TC all off to the barn in Bethlehem, with your entourage of "god hates faggots" flags waving in the desolate dessert.

Stop giving me negative waves!

You're a fan of Kelly's Heroes then?

Cut the religion-based harassment, there's a good chap. You don't want to be seen as a bigot do you? That would never do for a leftie.

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

scrat wrote:
I won't go further down the faith rode as I know it's a tetchy subject, especially with those who use Christianity as a weapon, its poor form because I was lead to believe that Jesus was here for all of us, is he not here for me?

And Christians makes the nastiest of Far right folk, I mean who would concentrate their wrath on 5 rather large families, whilst trying to catch butterflies floating off with £TRILLIONS.

For once, you show some sense in backing off because I haven't mentioned religion - you were the one who introduced the Westboro church and Christianity into this discussion - for no apparent reason other than that you're clearly a bigoted fool.

Be careful not to do it again, otherwise you might fall foul of the rules.

Yuletide is fast upon us, I must have seen you astride the donkey, lead by a stern looking TC all off to the barn in Bethlehem, with your entourage of "god hates faggots" flags waving in the desolate dessert.

Stop giving me negative waves!

eddie wrote:

scrat wrote:
Yuletide is fast upon us, I must have seen you astride the donkey, lead by a stern looking TC all off to the barn in Bethlehem, with your entourage of "god hates faggots" flags waving in the desolate dessert.

Stop giving me negative waves!

Can you leave another poster's religion out of the debate please.

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You're a fan of Kelly's Heroes then?

Cut the religion-based harassment, there's a good chap. You don't want to be seen as a bigot do you? That would never do for a leftie.

you're still giving me negative vibes, why are you so tetchy about your religion, if it takes you to extremes perhaps you should re-examine your faith!

I don't think that hating poor people for large families is a Christian value, I was taught C O E and I honestly can't remember that!

eddie wrote:

scrat wrote:
Yuletide is fast upon us, I must have seen you astride the donkey, lead by a stern looking TC all off to the barn in Bethlehem, with your entourage of "god hates faggots" flags waving in the desolate dessert.

Stop giving me negative waves!

Can you leave another poster's religion out of the debate please.

Tommy Monk wrote:

scrat wrote:
you're still giving me negative vibes, why are you so tetchy about your religion, if it takes you to extremes perhaps you should re-examine your faith!

I don't think that hating poor people for large families is a Christian value, I was taught C O E and I honestly can't remember that!

...says the tetchy extremist...!

Tommy Monk wrote:

sassy wrote:Trainee nurses depend on food banks and payday loans to survive as unions warn of NHS 'timebomb'

Universities have also paid out £5.2million in hardship grants in just three years as the Tory decision to scrap the NHS bursary will result in thousands of fewer nurses

Trainee nurses are increasingly ­turning to food banks and payday loans as they struggle to afford their training.
A Sunday People investigation can reveal how in the past three years, a whopping £5.2million has been paid in hardship grants.
Around 6,500 nurses have received help - and unions warn that nurses who start training next year face finishing with £52,000 of debt.
That is leading to more nurses arriving at food banks to help feed their families or calling payday lenders to keep on top of bills.
Marina Down, 23, a single mum in London training to become a nurse, says her lowest point came when she was forced to visit a food bank with her daughter.
“That’s how desperate it can get,” she says. “I’m very grateful for it but I’m a single mother trying to feed myself, my child, and give as much as possible to my patients. It’s not easy.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/trainee-nurses-depend-food-banks-8386405#ICID=sharebar_twitter

But we have all these types of people you want here to pay for...

http://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/dad-of-eight-who-claimed-his-council-house-was-too-cramped-moves-into-house-worth-425-000-in-milton-keynes-1-7653778

scrat wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Labour fucked the nhs by saddling trusts with paying off a £300 billion debt for £50 billion of new hospitals...


And by allowing open door/mass immigration into the country...

The Devil, You Know wrote:

scrat wrote:

isnt richard branson somewhat of a hero to the left?

scrat wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
isnt richard branson somewhat of a hero to the left?

Well Monkey boy, Tubular Bells sounded much better back in the day!

The Devil, You Know wrote:

scrat wrote:
Well Monkey boy, Tubular Bells sounded much better back in the day!

tory britain for generations sounds more realistic

Raggamuffin wrote:The use of the term "Monkey Boy" is really quite offensive. People reading this forum might think it's a racist term, and Ben has said he's concerned about what people might think if they read this place.

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The use of the term "Monkey Boy" is really quite offensive. People reading this forum might think it's a racist term, and Ben has said he's concerned about what people might think if they read this place.

Everything I do offends you, I'll try not to breath,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,gave up with that idea.

I was banned from his forum because the person he wanted to ban is banned from posting there, and because monkey boy hates being called monkey boy he banned me and yet I'm designated infinite Monkey although I cannot address his concerns because I'm banned from posting there.

Stop worrying about other forums, try and concentrate on this one.

Tommy Monk wrote:Labour fucked the nhs by saddling trusts with paying off a £300 billion debt for £50 billion of new hospitals...


And by allowing open door/mass immigration into the country...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Keep posting your Facebook propaganda Bru...

Irn Bru wrote:

Tory Britain

Irn Bru wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Labour fucked the nhs by saddling trusts with paying off a £300 billion debt for £50 billion of new hospitals...


And by allowing open door/mass immigration into the country...

Well unemployment went down and so did the welfare bill so most of the immigrants must have been working

scrat wrote:Families on the brink as the UK's housing crisis bites

The acute shortage of housing in Britain has been underlined by figures obtained by BBC News.

Local authorities - already under financial pressure - are facing a huge increase in the costs of dealing with the crisis.

And charities say the number of people needing emergency shelter is rising at an ''alarming rate''.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38021834

Disgraceful state of affairs

nicko wrote:Many a true word----ect,    Right Ziz?

Ziz wrote:

scrat wrote:Families on the brink as the UK's housing crisis bites

The acute shortage of housing in Britain has been underlined by figures obtained by BBC News.

Local authorities - already under financial pressure - are facing a huge increase in the costs of dealing with the crisis.

And charities say the number of people needing emergency shelter is rising at an ''alarming rate''.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38021834

Disgraceful state of affairs

Tories and those who finance them are kind, loving folk who are only responsible for the nice things in life.  Mark my words, this will be down to immigrants  - we had no problems whatsoever before Mohammed and his minions. Or was it those Poles who work too hard? One of those to be sure.  

Tommy Monk wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Labour fucked the nhs by saddling trusts with paying off a £300 billion debt for £50 billion of new hospitals...


And by allowing open door/mass immigration into the country...

Well unemployment went down and so did the welfare bill so most of the immigrants must have been working

Thought we were talking about the costs to the NHS...?

And unemployment going down doesn't necessarily mean a higher percentage of the foreigners are working... it could mean higher numbers of indigenous uk people are working as well as there being higher numbers of roreigners not working!!!


Plus... being 'in work' doesn't mean not claiming benefits too!!!


Also you claim the benefits bill went down...






When did this claim of yours happen exactly...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:Your graph shows the increases in spending in 5 year periods up to 2012... and every one shows increases...!!!


Rumbled again!!!