Why has there not been a single prosecution?

First topic message reminder :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541932/RUTH-RENDELL-My-horror-thousands-British-girls-undergoing-female-genital-mutilation-purity.html

FGM. It is illegal to do it in this country. It is illegal to allow your child to be taken out of the country to have it done elsewhere. It is being seen more often by health professionals. Yet there has never been one single prosecution WHY???

Before someone jumps in with some diversion about faith or religion I want to highlight a passage in the story We know now that FGM is an ancient practice, that it predates the Christian era and Islam and that it has nothing to do with any religious faith

the reason there are no convictions is of course the religion and race of the perpetrators

Pc has crippled the west, we can no longer say no to anything because that would violate some barbarians human rights

therefore we are forced to accept the most barbaric practices in the name of remaining multicultural

multiculturalism is of course the ideology of the left

Oh dear, already been established that a lot of it is in African Christian communities, because it started long before Islam, but of course keep believing the lies.

See, I told thee he was a normal guy!

No nonsense, plain and simple posts.

Bigotry and lies, no wonder you like him.

veya_victaous wrote:@sassy
I did conceed that FGM is worse but at the core they are the same.

Cutting up Babies Genitals        Is Evil in every sense of the word.

Agreed Veya   Medical necessity only  

Has it been established that its a christian african practice?
I have to say I always thought it was a Muslim one.
Are their figures available for the religions of the victims in the UK in the last ten years?

Sassy wrote:And there you have the ignorance 'some beneficiary, some not'.   I put up the link but you have ignored it.   There is no beneficiary FGM, it is normally done to little girls, without anaesthetic, with razor blades, it is mutilation and causes terrible medical problems and deaths, when it is done, and later in survivors, in childbirth and the death of babies during birth.

Sassy, you are not even talking English; are you incapable? You do not even separate a labia rescission from a clitorectomy. Is it that you find it difficult talking about these matters? Is this an area that you are uncomfortable speaking about? Say labia ten times; then say clitoris ten times. You'll get used to it...than you can start using the proper terms instead of a loose non-specific acronym.

Talk about ignorance. Throw out all the links you want, sassy, but there is no substitute for a university class or two. I take it you missed university, no? I know what the three procedures are, and I know that two of them have beneficial purposes. We are talking way beyond your "links." Catch up.

And what is the medical term for the sewing together of the labia?

I have never heard of a labia rescission being done to preserve a girl/womans "purity" or as a form of FGM - it is done by plastic surgeons on consenting adults and never has been part of FGM.

Original Quill wrote:

Sassy wrote:And there you have the ignorance 'some beneficiary, some not'.   I put up the link but you have ignored it.   There is no beneficiary FGM, it is normally done to little girls, without anaesthetic, with razor blades, it is mutilation and causes terrible medical problems and deaths, when it is done, and later in survivors, in childbirth and the death of babies during birth.

Sassy, you are not even talking English; are you incapable?  You do not even separate a labia rescission from a clitorectomy.  Is it that you find it difficult talking about these matters?  Is this an area that you are uncomfortable speaking about?  Say labia ten times; then say clitoris ten times.  You'll get used to it...than you can start using the proper terms instead of a loose non-specific acronym.

Talk about ignorance.  Throw out all the links you want, sassy, but there is no substitute for a university class or two.  I take it you missed university, no?  I know what the three procedures are, and I know that two of them have beneficial purposes.  We are talking way beyond your "links."  Catch up.

It is blindingly obvious when you have had a falling out with somebody in the past Quill.

You try to belittle them but end up looking like a little spoilt brat.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Sassy, you are not even talking English; are you incapable?  You do not even separate a labia rescission from a clitorectomy.  Is it that you find it difficult talking about these matters?  Is this an area that you are uncomfortable speaking about?  Say labia ten times; then say clitoris ten times.  You'll get used to it...than you can start using the proper terms instead of a loose non-specific acronym.

Talk about ignorance.  Throw out all the links you want, sassy, but there is no substitute for a university class or two.  I take it you missed university, no?  I know what the three procedures are, and I know that two of them have beneficial purposes.  We are talking way beyond your "links."  Catch up.

It is blindingly obvious when you have had a falling out with somebody in the past Quill.

You try to belittle them but end up looking like a little spoilt brat.

Andy, I've had fallings out with you, too, haven't I? Quit trying to better your lot by currying favour with others. In this country we call that kind of guy a phony.

Quill, FGM is done to little girls and has NO benefits, just mutilation.   Labia recessions are done to silly women who think it matter what size their labia is, it is not in the least connected to FGM.   You are being very ignorant.

I presume you are trying to say you have done a university course on FGM?   

Types of FGM

FGM describes any deliberate, non-medical removal or cutting of female genitalia. Different regions and communities practice various forms of mutilation. Some forms of cutting are quite common and they are classified as shown below.

It is not unusual to not know what type of FGM you may have. It can be difficult to understand what form your vagina takes after FGM, whether or not you still have labia or a clitoris, whether your vaginal opening is closed. We hope this information will help people to better understand their FGM and to be able to be able to describe their FGM to their partners or to healthcare workers.



Type 1 FGM

Clitoridectomy: partial or total removal of the clitoris (a small, sensitive and erectile part of the female genitals) and, in very rare cases, only the prepuce (the fold of skin surrounding the clitoris).

This practice is extremely painful and distressing, damages sexually sensitive skin and is an infection risk.




Type 2 FGM

Excision: partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora, with or without excision of the labia majora (the labia are the ‘lips’ that surround the vagina).

This practice is extremely painful and distressing, damages sexually sensitive skin and is an infection risk.



Type 3 FGM

Infibulation: narrowing of the vaginal opening through the creation of a covering seal. The seal is formed by cutting and sewing over the outer, labia, with or without removal of the clitoris or inner labia.

This practice is extremely painful and distressing, damages sexually sensitive skin and is an on-going infection risk. The closing over of the vagina and the urethra leaves women with a very small opening in which to pass urine and menstrual fluid. The opening can be so small that it needs to be cut open to be able to have sexual intercourse. Cutting is also needed to give birth and can cause complications which harm both mother and baby.

Original Quill wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

It is blindingly obvious when you have had a falling out with somebody in the past Quill.

You try to belittle them but end up looking like a little spoilt brat.

Andy, I've had fallings out with you, too, haven't I?  Quit trying to better your lot by currying favour with others.  In this country we call that kind of guy a phony.

Us fall out? Well I didn't think so.

Curry favour with sassy? Not really. She's a tw4t for other posts, but you're a tw4t for your post above.

That's just the way it is.

Sassy wrote:Types of FGM

FGM describes any deliberate, non-medical removal or cutting of female genitalia. Different regions and communities practice various forms of mutilation. Some forms of cutting are quite common and they are classified as shown below.

It is not unusual to not know what type of FGM you may have. It can be difficult to understand what form your vagina takes after FGM, whether or not you still have labia or a clitoris, whether your vaginal opening is closed. We hope this information will help people to better understand their FGM and to be able to be able to describe their FGM to their partners or to healthcare workers.



Type 1 FGM

Clitoridectomy: partial or total removal of the clitoris (a small, sensitive and erectile part of the female genitals) and, in very rare cases, only the prepuce (the fold of skin surrounding the clitoris).

This practice is extremely painful and distressing, damages sexually sensitive skin and is an infection risk.




Type 2 FGM

Excision: partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora, with or without excision of the labia majora (the labia are the ‘lips’ that surround the vagina).

This practice is extremely painful and distressing, damages sexually sensitive skin and is an infection risk.



Type 3 FGM

Infibulation: narrowing of the vaginal opening through the creation of a covering seal. The seal is formed by cutting and sewing over the outer, labia, with or without removal of the clitoris or inner labia.

This practice is extremely painful and distressing, damages sexually sensitive skin and is an on-going infection risk. The closing over of the vagina and the urethra leaves women with a very small opening in which to pass urine and menstrual fluid. The opening can be so small that it needs to be cut open to be able to have sexual intercourse. Cutting is also needed to give birth and can cause complications which harm both mother and baby.

A much more intelligent post. But your "types" as groupings are erroneous. The clitorectomy is the partial or complete removal of the clitoris. The clitoris is an organ, the rest are procedures on the dermis of the region. Obviously, they are vastly different in severity. A labia rescission has many benefits; you just don't like it because you associate it with cosmetics. That is wrong.

Besides...who is going to get up that close and inspect if for beauty? Lol. I tend to like it for its utility, not necessarily its looks.

On a similar issue the abortion of female children is equally appalling. This to is ignored by the liberal left who spout on about womens issues passionately then ignore such fundamental issues.

Hypocrisy rules where the Liberal left are concerned.

The PC culture has fundamentally undermined common sense and decency because not criticising an ethnic group trumps fundamental human rights of female children. Only a Liberal lefty logic can square off this dichotomy.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Andy, I've had fallings out with you, too, haven't I?  Quit trying to better your lot by currying favour with others.  In this country we call that kind of guy a phony.

Us fall out?  Well I didn't think so.

Curry favour with sassy?  Not really.  She's a tw4t for other posts, but you're a tw4t for your post above.

That's just the way it is.

Aww...andy. I've hurt your feelings.

You silly bugger, that was the link, only the link has pictures. FGM IS DONE TO LITTLE GIRLS, get it, IT IS NEVER BENEFICIAL. And the groupings are done by The World Health Organisation, but of course you know better than them, you've done a degree course on FGM!!!!   

Original Quill wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


Us fall out?  Well I didn't think so.

Curry favour with sassy?  Not really.  She's a tw4t for other posts, but you're a tw4t for your post above.

That's just the way it is.

Aww...andy.  I've hurt your feelings.

I haven't had feelings since infants.

Feelings are weak and unmilitary.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Aww...andy.  I've hurt your feelings.

I haven't had feelings since infants.

Feelings are weak and unmilitary.

His mummy told him that   

NemsAgain wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

I haven't had feelings since infants.

Feelings are weak and unmilitary.

His mummy told him that   

lmao

Yes, that's why I turned in to a Nazi.

Well, that and several beatings off daddy.

And the current wife - that's why I hate women - ask BigMama.

BigAndy9 wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

His mummy told him that   

lmao

Yes, that's why I turned in to a Nazi.

Well, that and several beatings off daddy.

And the current wife - that's why I hate women - ask BigMama.

Current? Her name in pencil on the marriage cert then?!

Sassy wrote:You silly bugger, that was the link, only the link has pictures.   FGM IS DONE TO LITTLE GIRLS, get it, IT IS NEVER BENEFICIAL.   And the groupings are done by The World Health Organisation, but of course you know better than them, you've done a degree course on FGM!!!!   

Well, I agree that prophylactic surgery is never warranted on anyone under age of consent. But that's not what we are talking about when we address the procedure itself.

(I know the link...I read it years ago.)

But to say that valid surgical procedures are wrong, because you don't happen to like people who use them, is absurd. There are many beneficial uses for a labia rescission...even if comfort is one of them.

NemsAgain wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

lmao

Yes, that's why I turned in to a Nazi.

Well, that and several beatings off daddy.

And the current wife - that's why I hate women - ask BigMama.

Current? Her name in pencil on the marriage cert then?!

lol one and only actually...

Maybe I've been watching Jim Davidson too much?

BigAndy9 wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

His mummy told him that   

lmao

Yes, that's why I turned in to a Nazi.

Well, that and several beatings off daddy.

And the current wife - that's why I hate women - ask BigMama.

Andy...what was that about your dad beating off??   

Too much information.   

Ah, the QALs finish off a rather serious discussion lol

BigAndy9 wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

Current? Her name in pencil on the marriage cert then?!

lol one and only actually...

Maybe I've been watching Jim Davidson too much?

There is no hope for you   

Original Quill wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

lmao

Yes, that's why I turned in to a Nazi.

Well, that and several beatings off daddy.

And the current wife - that's why I hate women - ask BigMama.

Andy...what was that about your dad beating off??    

Too much information.    

I dunno - you've probably got an ology in psychology - you tell me.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Andy...what was that about your dad beating off??    

Too much information.    

I dunno - you've probably got an ology in psychology - you tell me.

Well, he definitely said he was a doctor once. Busy boy he has been lol

BigAndy9 wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Andy...what was that about your dad beating off??    

Too much information.    

I dunno - you've probably got an ology in psychology - you tell me.

Nup...my ology is an ology in history of political theory. I think of those guys as asexual.

Uh I keep trying to tell people that labia rescission is not a part of FGM. FGM sees the labia sewn together or removed - not simply reduced. They are two different procedures.

Here is a clue - is the operation being done by a recognized surgeon under sterile conditions with use of anaesthetic and antibiotic medication?
If the answer is yes then it is not FGM. If the answer is no then it is FGM. That is not too difficult now is it?

It is for Quill.

It's usually done in the box room of council houses in Manchester, Birmingham, London, Leicester etc by a friend who is a nurse while the family hold them down on the bed isn't it?

Sassy wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

I dunno - you've probably got an ology in psychology - you tell me.

Well, he definitely said he was a doctor once.   Busy boy he has been lol

Were you able to prove or disprove that during your researching of him?
Just wondering. You were so very enamoured of him at one time

 

BigAndy9 wrote:It's usually done in the box room of council houses in Manchester, Birmingham, London, Leicester etc by a friend who is a nurse while the family hold them down on the bed isn't it?

Is it done in this country though Andy?

NemsAgain wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:It's usually done in the box room of council houses in Manchester, Birmingham, London, Leicester etc by a friend who is a nurse while the family hold them down on the bed isn't it?

Is it done in this country though Andy?

Yes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18900803

Or to make it even clearer women from other countries are bringing their children to the UK to be mutilated because it is cheaper than taking them to African/Middle Eastern countries and it seems no danger whatsoever of being stopped.

sphinx wrote:Uh I keep trying to tell people that labia rescission is not a part of FGM.  FGM sees the labia sewn together or removed - not simply reduced.  They are two different procedures.

Here is a clue - is the operation being done by a recognized surgeon under sterile conditions with use of anaesthetic and antibiotic medication?  
If the answer is yes then it is not FGM.  If the answer is no then it is FGM.  That is not too difficult now is it?

I agree. I only object to tossing it all in the same bucket, and calling it FMG, which everyone does. FMG is basically a way of using the term "mutilation" for shock value. You and I have discussed this over on ADO, and we were in agreement, sphinx.

Now, I believe it is mutilation when it is done for non-clinical purposes. Religion? Cultural custom, as in Canada and the US. But it's a different matter when it's done for remedial clinical purposes.

NemsAgain wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:It's usually done in the box room of council houses in Manchester, Birmingham, London, Leicester etc by a friend who is a nurse while the family hold them down on the bed isn't it?

Is it done in this country though Andy?

No i'm sure these foreigners come here and abide by our rules very stringently Nems, but if they really have to they pay thousands to go abroad and go private because they really care about their kids and also care about UK law and culture and wouldn't want to upset us.

ahem!

NemsAgain wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Well, he definitely said he was a doctor once.   Busy boy he has been lol

Were you able to prove or disprove that during your researching of him?
Just wondering. You were so very enamoured of him at one time

Her stalking (of me) generated a lot of information.  It led to the closing of SF, as she was trying put the information on open threads.  She has stalked my law license and my doctorate degree, but now she just PMs me with what she has learned.  She got her fingers burned with stalking/posting over at SF.

The stalking hasn't stopped, but posting it has.  I have no doubt she PMs others with it as well, though.

Original Quill wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

Were you able to prove or disprove that during your researching of him?
Just wondering. You were so very enamoured of him at one time

Her stalking (of me) generated a lot of information.  It led to the closing of SF, as she was trying put the information on open threads.  She has stalked my law license and my doctorate degree, but now she just PMs me with what she has learned.  She got her fingers burned with stalking/posting over at SF.

The stalking hasn't stopped, but posting it has.  I have no doubt she PMs others with it as well, though.

I never posted anything, you're a lying fucker, and I never revealed your pms.   And QALs are doing a good job aren't they.   A term someone coined that I thought was exact.    And I know all your lies.   How has stalking you gone on, when you continued to pm me and I ignored them?

BTW, you are the one who said you were a doctor on a thread in SF.

sphinx wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

Is it done in this country though Andy?

Yes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18900803

You have to ask, if the Beeb can find them why cant the police? Takes us back to where we started why no criminal prosecutions?

Sassy wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Her stalking (of me) generated a lot of information.  It led to the closing of SF, as she was trying put the information on open threads.  She has stalked my law license and my doctorate degree, but now she just PMs me with what she has learned.  She got her fingers burned with stalking/posting over at SF.

The stalking hasn't stopped, but posting it has.  I have no doubt she PMs others with it as well, though.

I never posted anything, you're a lying fucker, and I never revealed your pms.   And QALs are doing a good job aren't they.   A term someone coined that I thought was exact.    And I know all your lies.   How has stalking you gone on, when you continued to pm me and I ignored them?

BTW, you are the one who said you were a doctor on a thread in SF.  

Well you have always had my email address, and full name for years now..You are very trustworthy imo.

Original Quill wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

Were you able to prove or disprove that during your researching of him?
Just wondering. You were so very enamoured of him at one time

Her stalking (of me) generated a lot of information.  It led to the closing of SF, as she was trying put the information on open threads.  She has stalked my law license and my doctorate degree, but now she just PMs me with what she has learned.  She got her fingers burned with stalking/posting over at SF.

The stalking hasn't stopped, but posting it has.  I have no doubt she PMs others with it as well, though.

WTF?

NemsAgain wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Yes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18900803

You have to ask, if the Beeb can find them why cant the police? Takes us back to where we started why no criminal prosecutions?

Honestly that report makes me ashamed of that of this country - and that is not something I feel very often.

Even the women from cultures where it is practised are begging the British authorities to do something - they are not complaining about the medical checks done in France they welcome them.

NemsAgain wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Yes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18900803

You have to ask, if the Beeb can find them why cant the police? Takes us back to where we started why no criminal prosecutions?

Are you after my WUM award, Nems?

Original Quill wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

Were you able to prove or disprove that during your researching of him?
Just wondering. You were so very enamoured of him at one time

Her stalking (of me) generated a lot of information.  It led to the closing of SF, as she was trying put the information on open threads.  She has stalked my law license and my doctorate degree, but now she just PMs me with what she has learned.  She got her fingers burned with stalking/posting over at SF.

The stalking hasn't stopped, but posting it has.  I have no doubt she PMs others with it as well, though.

Yeah, even I don't believe that cr4p.

sphinx wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

You have to ask, if the Beeb can find them why cant the police? Takes us back to where we started why no criminal prosecutions?

Honestly that report makes me ashamed of that of this country - and that is not something I feel very often.

Even the women from cultures where it is practised are begging the British authorities to do something - they are not complaining about the medical checks done in France they welcome them.  

Its sickening, we let down the very ones we should be protecting, all because we disappeared up the bum of political bloody correctness and are to scared to challenge other cultures.

BigAndy9 wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

You have to ask, if the Beeb can find them why cant the police? Takes us back to where we started why no criminal prosecutions?

Are you after my WUM award, Nems?

  

Original Quill wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Well, he definitely said he was a doctor once.   Busy boy he has been lol

Were you able to prove or disprove that during your researching of him?
Just wondering. You were so very enamoured of him at one time

Her stalking (of me) generated a lot of information.  It led to the closing of SF, as she was trying put the information on open threads.  She has stalked my law license and my doctorate degree, but now she just PMs me with what she has learned.  She got her fingers burned with stalking/posting over at SF.

The stalking hasn't stopped, but posting it has.  I have no doubt she PMs others with it as well, though.

No it didn't. That was not the reason why SF closed.