MISSING 3 YEAR OLD

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:41 am

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2540440/BREAKING-NEWS-Police-hunt-three-year-old-boy-went-missing-home-overnight.html

A young boy has gone missing from his home overnight in Edinburgh. Police currently investigating if he left of his own choice or if it was a snatch.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:06 am

Maybe they're only revealing what they want to.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:38 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
NemsAgain wrote:Very disturbing. There is no way that child wandered off. They are being very quiet about the father so hopefully he is with him.
My own opinion , I dont think he was in the flat as his mother says.

I agree. Thinking about flats, the front doors are usually quite heavy and surely she would have heard something in the flat unless it is a very large one, which i'm guessing it isn't.

Maybe she sold him?

Why would you think she sold him?
Is that what you think happened to Madeleine? Do you think the McCanns sold her?

by ALLAKAKA Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:41 pm

We can only hope that this kid is found safe .

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:23 pm

NemsAgain wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:

I agree. Thinking about flats, the front doors are usually quite heavy and surely she would have heard something in the flat unless it is a very large one, which i'm guessing it isn't.

Maybe she sold him?

Why would you think she sold him?
Is that what you think happened to Madeleine? Do you think the McCanns sold her?

No I think they killed her.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:47 pm

It seems local people with knowledge of the flats are questioning whether he could get out without assistance.
Also there are reports of a small child seen alone 8.30 close to his home. CCTV confirms there was single small child there at that time but is not enough to make and identification.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:05 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
NemsAgain wrote:

Why would you think she sold him?
Is that what you think happened to Madeleine? Do you think the McCanns sold her?

No I think they killed her.

Agreed
Why do you think sold in this case though?

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:15 pm

sphinx wrote:It seems local people with knowledge of the flats are questioning whether he could get out without assistance.
Also there are reports of a small child seen alone 8.30 close to his home. CCTV confirms there was single small child there at that time but is not enough to make and identification.

I hope he's ok. It's frightening.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:44 pm

lovedust wrote:
sphinx wrote:It seems local people with knowledge of the flats are questioning whether he could get out without assistance.
Also there are reports of a small child seen alone 8.30 close to his home. CCTV confirms there was single small child there at that time but is not enough to make and identification.

I hope he's ok. It's frightening.

Apparently there are doubts about the child seen because they had a hat on and the young lad does not like wearing hats and does not own one.

It is frightening - it does seem unlikely he would get out on his own, but the fact that his coat and shoes have gone suggest he did intend to leave. It could be someone else in the block or someone from outside befriended him without his mums knowledge.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:47 pm

Mikaeel’s mum works as a beauty therapist and her family originate from India.

She has sons Tarun, nine, David, seven, and daughter Renuka, five with her Nigerian ex-husband Omotoso Adekunle Adekoya, 35.

She gave birth to Mikaeel and twin sister Ashika in 2010 but no father is named on the birth certificate.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mikaeel-kular-missing-police-deeply-3030051#.Utl4YMWnzUI

So the little twins have a different father (who we know is a Pakistani) and that police have already spoken to him.

Could it be that he has been taken out of the country by the fathers family?

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:58 pm

Costa wrote:Mikaeel’s mum works as a beauty therapist and her family originate from India.

She has sons Tarun, nine, David, seven, and daughter Renuka, five with her Nigerian ex-husband Omotoso Adekunle Adekoya, 35.

She gave birth to Mikaeel and twin sister Ashika in 2010 but no father is named on the birth certificate.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mikaeel-kular-missing-police-deeply-3030051#.Utl4YMWnzUI

So the little twins have a different father (who we know is a Pakistani) and that police have already spoken to him.

Could it be that he has been taken out of the country by the fathers family?

I would imagine that was one of the first lines of enquiry pursued by the police and they seem confident it is not the case.

Not all Pakistani men and families fit the stereotype of child stealing ignorant fanatics.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:55 pm

The thought of a 3 year old out there for a second night is heartbreaking Sad

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:59 pm

I really hope someone has picked him up and is looking after him.

by Irn Bru Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:13 pm

I think one thing is for sure and that is that if that wee boy has been out in this weather all this time then he certainly will not be alive. The best hope now is that a member of the family has indeed taken him and he is being looked after. Not the ideal scenario but I think that's the best we can hope for.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:18 pm

Irn Bru wrote:I think one thing is for sure and that is that if that wee boy has been out in this weather all this time then he certainly will not be alive. The best hope now is that a member of the family has indeed taken him and he is being looked after. Not the ideal scenario but I think that's the best we can hope for.

Yeah he would have managed one night I should think - it would have made him ill but he would have lived, after this amount of time though if he has not been taken in it would not be good.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:44 am

Sky news

Police have detained a person.

News conference shortly..

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:04 am

Read earlier that he hasn't been seen at nursery for a month.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:09 am

Oh my God it's the worst news ever

They have found his body.

God rest his wee soul

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:09 am

Oh no...body found:(

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:11 am

Oh god ,found in Fife,i doubt he would be able to go there himself without being spotted, across the forth bridge presumably?

This is terrible Sad

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:12 am

Terrible news.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:15 am

Absolutely Andy, my youngest is only 3, their only babies at that age,how awful, poor wee nipper Sad

RIP wee man, if he can Sad

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:04 am

3 years olds don`t cross the Road bridge on there own (not the forth bridge JD that's the rail bridge) shame on you :lol

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:09 am

Korben Dallas wrote:3 years olds don`t cross the Road bridge on there own (not the forth bridge JD that's the rail bridge) shame on you :lol

..yeah. I know mate , bit I meant the road bridge as that can be walked!, but too far for a wee nipper like that, not too mention the distance to the bridge itself , he would have been spotted not long after leaving his house.

Just wondering of the person detained knew or was even related to the wee lad?, could even be a bitter father or another family member Sad

It will all come out soon I guess Sad

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:12 am

OMG, the person detained is the wee boys mother, it is weird how he wasn't at his nursery for a month. Sad

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:24 am

Joy Division wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:3 years olds don`t cross the Road bridge on there own (not the forth bridge JD that's the rail bridge) shame on you :lol

..yeah. I know mate , bit I meant the road bridge as that can be walked!, but too far for a wee nipper like that, not too mention the distance to the bridge itself , he would have been spotted not long after leaving his house.

Just wondering of the person detained knew or was even related to the wee lad?, could even be a bitter father or another family member

It will all come out soon I guess

about 15 miles i think and since they have cameras on the bridge he would have been noticed

i know what you meant was just having a wee poke my brother often corrected me :D

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:38 am

Mikaeel Kular: Police find body and 'mother detained'

Police investigating the disappearance of three-year-old Mikaeel Kular have found a body and detained a person, understood to be his mother.
The body of a young boy was found in Fife shortly before midnight, police said, and they "strongly believe this to be the body of Mikaeel".
Sources told the BBC that his mother, named locally as Rosdeep, was detained but police have not confirmed this.
Mikaeel went missing from his home in Edinburgh on Wednesday.
Assistant Chief Constable Malcolm Graham, of Police Scotland, told a press conference that Mikaeel's family had been informed of the recovery of a body and the investigation was continuing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-25790820

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:26 am

What a bummer. I did have a sinking feeling it was going to end badly the longer he was missing. Now the grotty details are coming out.

Poor little lad.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:25 am

sphinx wrote:What a bummer. I did have a sinking feeling it was going to end badly the longer he was missing. Now the grotty details are coming out.

Poor little lad.

Yes, we'll get to know everything eventually.

Thank god it was the British police investigating and not the Portuguese.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:01 pm

Thank god sphinx is here - I doubt any other poster would have informed us about this.

Very sad.

Sad

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:25 pm

Poor little soul

by ALLAKAKA Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:07 pm

Family background looks iffy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541111/Body-young-boy-recovered-Fife-one-person-detained-police-searching-missing-toddler-Mikaeel-Kular.html

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:33 pm

Heartbreaking news Sad

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:44 pm

Tragic of course, but please....whats with all the mass hysteria, people who didnt even know he existed having paroxysms of "grief"?
and ...attending a ?church? (thus presumably christian) when the kid was (presumably) of an asian faith???

This kind of behaviour makes me squirm.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:56 pm

grumpy old git wrote:Tragic of course, but please....whats with all the mass hysteria, people who didnt even know he existed having paroxysms of "grief"?
and ...attending a ?church? (thus presumably christian) when the kid was (presumably) of an asian faith???

This kind of behaviour makes me squirm.

One of the most precious gifts humanity has is the ability to empathise and put oneself out for another even though we dont know them - that is the basis of such services as the Police, Ambulance, mountain rescue, lifeboats. Last week thousands of people did not know this lad existed - since then they have made him for a short time the most important thing in their lives as they went out to search, to provide sustenance for the people searching, as they prayed. British society for years has made not showing emotions a good things - other cultures have not done this, recently our norms have changed. People have given of themselves for this lad and they want to know even though the outcome was bad that giving of themselves for another is the right thing so they seek their own solace and comfort.

Do you squirm at the wailing of some cultures? Would you be more comfortable if everyone had shrugged their shoulders and said so what?
Community friendships and respect will have been forged these past few days as citizens of a city paid no heed to colour no need to faith no heed to culture and simply gathered together with the united goal of finding a small child lost and alone - the mourning that now takes place is simply cementing those bonds and horrible as it sounds this will have done more to break down cultural barriers and unite people than just about anything else - please dont squirm about the way people express this - pay your respects in you own way for a little boy who has died and give thanks that you are a member of a species that will give everything it has again tomorrow for someone they dont know exists today.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:30 pm

sphinx wrote:
grumpy old git wrote:Tragic of course, but please....whats with all the mass hysteria, people who didnt even know he existed having paroxysms of "grief"?
and ...attending a ?church? (thus presumably christian) when the kid was (presumably) of an asian faith???

This kind of behaviour makes me squirm.

One of the most precious gifts humanity has is the ability to empathise and put oneself out for another even though we dont know them - that is the basis of such services as the Police, Ambulance, mountain rescue, lifeboats. Last week thousands of people did not know this lad existed - since then they have made him for a short time the most important thing in their lives as they went out to search, to provide sustenance for the people searching, as they prayed. British society for years has made not showing emotions a good things - other cultures have not done this, recently our norms have changed. People have given of themselves for this lad and they want to know even though the outcome was bad that giving of themselves for another is the right thing so they seek their own solace and comfort.

By that I take you mean they seek some sort of justification/deeper meaning for doing what is, in reality their duty to their community??

Do you squirm at the wailing of some cultures? YES Would you be more comfortable if everyone had shrugged their shoulders and said so what? NO, I'd be more comfortable if folks did their duty and then got on with life, this public hysteria is ....demeaning
Community friendships and respect will have been forged these past few days as citizens of a city paid no heed to colour no need to faith no heed to culture and simply gathered together with the united goal of finding a small child lost and alone - the mourning that now takes place is simply cementing those bonds and horrible as it sounds this will have done more to break down cultural barriers and unite people than just about anything else - please dont squirm about the way people express this - pay your respects in you own way for a little boy who has died and give thanks that you are a member of a species that will give everything it has again tomorrow for someone they dont know exists today.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:36 pm

grumpy old git wrote:
sphinx wrote:

One of the most precious gifts humanity has is the ability to empathise and put oneself out for another even though we dont know them - that is the basis of such services as the Police, Ambulance, mountain rescue, lifeboats. Last week thousands of people did not know this lad existed - since then they have made him for a short time the most important thing in their lives as they went out to search, to provide sustenance for the people searching, as they prayed. British society for years has made not showing emotions a good things - other cultures have not done this, recently our norms have changed. People have given of themselves for this lad and they want to know even though the outcome was bad that giving of themselves for another is the right thing so they seek their own solace and comfort.

By that I take you mean they seek some sort of justification/deeper meaning for doing what is, in reality their duty to their community??

Do you squirm at the wailing of some cultures? YES Would you be more comfortable if everyone had shrugged their shoulders and said so what? NO, I'd be more comfortable if folks did their duty and then got on with life, this public hysteria is ....demeaning
Community friendships and respect will have been forged these past few days as citizens of a city paid no heed to colour no need to faith no heed to culture and simply gathered together with the united goal of finding a small child lost and alone - the mourning that now takes place is simply cementing those bonds and horrible as it sounds this will have done more to break down cultural barriers and unite people than just about anything else - please dont squirm about the way people express this - pay your respects in you own way for a little boy who has died and give thanks that you are a member of a species that will give everything it has again tomorrow for someone they dont know exists today.

You only find it demeaning because you have been raised and lived in a culture that has previously rejected such public displays of emotion. Other culture have for many generations been far more expressive - they find the British way demeaning cold and disrespectful (and yet we are not the most rigidly controlled) The last 2 decades have seen a cultural change in the UK with much freer expression of emotions made the norm - it does not mean the emotions are not real any more than the stiff upper lip meant they did not exist.

As for deeper meaning - that can and will be found anywhere people care to look - most especially in their need to look. If the only thing they find out of this tragedy is the ability to say hello the "foreigner" in the street then they have found a great deal indeed.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:55 pm

sphinx wrote:
grumpy old git wrote:

You only find it demeaning because you have been raised and lived in a culture that has previously rejected such public displays of emotion. Other culture have for many generations been far more expressive - they find the British way demeaning cold and disrespectful (and yet we are not the most rigidly controlled) The last 2 decades have seen a cultural change in the UK with much freer expression of emotions made the norm Agreed, and look where its got us... - it does not mean the emotions are not real any more than the stiff upper lip meant they did not exist.

As for deeper meaning - that can and will be found anywhere people care to look - most especially in their need to look. If the only thing they find out of this tragedy is the ability to say hello the "foreigner" in the street then they have found a great deal indeed.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:56 pm

grumpy old git wrote:
sphinx wrote:

You only find it demeaning because you have been raised and lived in a culture that has previously rejected such public displays of emotion. Other culture have for many generations been far more expressive - they find the British way demeaning cold and disrespectful (and yet we are not the most rigidly controlled) The last 2 decades have seen a cultural change in the UK with much freer expression of emotions made the norm Agreed, and look where its got us... - it does not mean the emotions are not real any more than the stiff upper lip meant they did not exist.

As for deeper meaning - that can and will be found anywhere people care to look - most especially in their need to look. If the only thing they find out of this tragedy is the ability to say hello the "foreigner" in the street then they have found a great deal indeed.

Huh?

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:03 pm

Well the way I see it....all those "teenagers" going round causing trouble, with their foul tempers and truculent attitude..I dont here mean the drunken idiots, but the chav hoodie...with his ignorant grunt and tantrums when asked to behave like a civilised human...is the fault...to some large extent, of the "let it all hang out brigade".

If said chav had have had suitable chastisement when he first had a temper tantrum, and it was made clear to him THEN...thats such behaviour is unacceptable...perhaps the undergrowth of scroats would be less....

A bit more "stiff upper lip" and a bit more strength of character, would not come amiss today....

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:10 pm

grumpy old git wrote:Well the way I see it....all those "teenagers" going round causing trouble, with their foul tempers and truculent attitude..I dont here mean the drunken idiots, but the chav hoodie...with his ignorant grunt and tantrums when asked to behave like a civilised human...is the fault...to some large extent, of the "let it all hang out brigade".

If said chav had have had suitable chastisement when he first had a temper tantrum, and it was made clear to him THEN...thats such behaviour is unacceptable...perhaps the undergrowth of scroats would be less....

A bit more "stiff upper lip" and a bit more strength of character, would not come amiss today....

Uh temper tantrums and display of emotion are not the same thing - temper tantrums are nothing to do with emotion (at least in anyone over the age of 6) they are a considered physical display intended to produce a predicted reaction.

A stiff upper lip refers to the man dying inside as his much loved bride is buried while he is expected to show nothing but a couple of restrained sobs - then when he eats his gun 6 months later everyone is oh so shocked.

I will not stand for temper tantrums from my boys - but I will never ever punish them for crying from genuine pain.

Do you really think these people who have been out searching for 2 days are not in genuine pain? Do you think they are just making a display because they think it the right thing to do?

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:56 pm

sphinx wrote:
grumpy old git wrote:Well the way I see it....all those "teenagers" going round causing trouble, with their foul tempers and truculent attitude..I dont here mean the drunken idiots, but the chav hoodie...with his ignorant grunt and tantrums when asked to behave like a civilised human...is the fault...to some large extent, of the "let it all hang out brigade".

If said chav had have had suitable chastisement when he first had a temper tantrum, and it was made clear to him THEN...thats such behaviour is unacceptable...perhaps the undergrowth of scroats would be less....

A bit more "stiff upper lip" and a bit more strength of character, would not come amiss today....

Uh temper tantrums and display of emotion are not the same thing - temper tantrums are nothing to do with emotion (at least in anyone over the age of 6) they are a considered physical display intended to produce a predicted reaction.

A stiff upper lip refers to the man dying inside as his much loved bride is buried while he is expected to show nothing but a couple of restrained sobs - then when he eats his gun 6 months later everyone is oh so shocked.

It used to. I would contrast it with the seemingly acceptable full blown public head banging and screaming that seems ok today...I wouldnt begrudge anyone...man or woman their tears at such an event but...

and If he eats his gun...well...harsh as it sounds, we all have shit to deal with, if eating a gun is your solution then perhaps you are better off out of it anyhows.

I will not stand for temper tantrums from my boys - but I will never ever punish them for crying from genuine pain. quite right

Do you really think these people who have been out searching for 2 days are not in genuine pain? I dont think they are in sufficient pain to warrant the circus they are making Do you think they are just making a display because they think it the right thing to do? Actually NO, i dont think thats the reason. I think the reason is a desire to "get hold of the misery rights" (quote from Evita)A vicarious and macabre rite that is becoming overly common.

Its the same non sense as those (quite often "authority figures") who claim that seeing such and such a photo or scene "made them pysically sick"...If they are THAT sensitive perhaps they should consider alternative careers....there are only 4 things capable of making me "physically sick"

certain smells
certain tastes
dodgy curries (etc)
too much beer (but thats a thing of the past....long past)

Ahhh...gotta make it 5....norovirus...that will do it every time.....

NOW some of those things mentioned in the first line above may make me "sick" as it were, to the soul and I agree that these things can deliver an almost physical blow, especially when unexpected, but physically sick :\\:[:

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:17 pm

I think physically sick is pretty much always an exaggeration - but then as someone who has farming and hunting in the family, and had an intense interest in the healing arts and science from a young age I probably am not average in my reactions to blood and gore.

However as far as the right to wail and cry out hurts goes - it acts to stop good people killing themselves. I have seen too many people suffer too much harm because they thought they had to "keep it all in and display the stiff upper lip" - the only thing I ask is for it to be kept to the right time and place - and those church services tonight are the right time and place. We gain nothing when a good person kills themselves because they thought it wrong to express their hurt.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:19 pm

Mother has been formally charged.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:22 pm

umm...well I wasnt actually on about the church services as such more the image of those two "comforting " each other where they were laying all the wreaths......
However...church services...presumably christian then....well okaaaay...but isnt that a logical absurdity, certainly I see it as a theological absurdity....

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:23 pm

sphinx wrote:Mother has been formally charged.

Ye Gods...the world's gone mad and getting madder every minute....

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:24 pm

WHY would a mother harm her kids...WHY

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:29 pm

grumpy old git wrote:umm...well I wasnt actually on about the church services as such more the image of those two "comforting " each other where they were laying all the wreaths......
However...church services...presumably christian then....well okaaaay...but isnt that a logical absurdity, certainly I see it as a theological absurdity....

Not really - I expect people to turn to their own gods for comfort. As someone with no formal religion I am equally content to enter any place of worship to pay my respects publicly while paying my own privately where I wish. I would expect Christians to pay respects in a Christian church, Muslims to pay respects in a Mosque, Jews to pay respects in a Synagog etc. A Christian would struggle to feel comfortable mourning in a Mosque - they would be honoured to attend but would need a church to pay their private respects. When it is someone great you get a multi faith gathering -this is not such a case just ordinary people paying respects in ordinary ways.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:35 pm

grumpy old git wrote:WHY would a mother harm her kids...WHY

OK everything is now Sub Judice until trial so nothing new will actually be reported until it comes out in court however the wording is "charged in connection with" which suggests the charge may not involve direct harm by the mother. For instance if the child was attacked by a relative or accidentally harmed by a sibling and the mother has spun the disappearance to protect them then she is not herself responsible for harm.

If it was totally and unequivocally her fault I would expect the news to be specific to the charge - like murder or manslaughter.

by Spindleshanks Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:36 am

Charged in connection with his death, it all sounds very vague.

I think the mother must have come clean and told the police where to find her sons body in the end.

by SEXY MAMA Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:42 am

grumpy old git wrote:Tragic of course, but please....whats with all the mass hysteria, people who didnt even know he existed having paroxysms of "grief"?
and ...attending a ?church? (thus presumably christian) when the kid was (presumably) of an asian faith???

Thtis kind of behaviour makes me squirm.

Hello Grumpy why?

A lot of people still have empathy and they cannot comprehend a young child dying in those circumstances.

Baby P's death and his short tragic life still plays on my mind often. Some people are sensitive whilst others are more 'aloof'.

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