MISSING 3 YEAR OLD

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2540440/BREAKING-NEWS-Police-hunt-three-year-old-boy-went-missing-home-overnight.html

A young boy has gone missing from his home overnight in Edinburgh. Police currently investigating if he left of his own choice or if it was a snatch.

Hmmm... very strange, and terrible.

Hope he is found safe and well.

Black man arrested.

Black African, to be precise.

I am getting that it is unclear if that arrest is linked to the disappearance.

What I am finding distinctly strange though is that this story is not top headline in the Daily Mail (7 stories above it) The independent (6 stories above it) The Guardian (7 stories above it) and does not even appear on The Suns website.

I mean if toddler disappearing from apartment in foreign country when all adults absent can result in number one status for all news papers why is toddler disappearing from own home in our own country when adults are present not getting such exposure?

According to BBC police have stated that arrest is NOT to do with missing child.

Why the hell are people not going nuts here? If he had left under his own power and was OK he would have turned up by now.

BigAndy9 wrote:Black African, to be precise.

Did you get an erection over this arrest Andy with this person being black?

FUCK the person arrested for something that was nothing to do with this

THERE IS A CHILD MISSING!!!

sphinx wrote:FUCK the person arrested for something that was nothing to do with this

THERE IS A CHILD MISSING!!!

yes but some of us are also pissed off every time black people are used as if they are criminal or expected it is them committing crimes.

What else do you want me to say or do here, the child is missing, hope he is found

At least sky has got its priorities right - they have it lead story.

@ Nobody has been arrested FFS why make that up andy

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:FUCK the person arrested for something that was nothing to do with this

THERE IS A CHILD MISSING!!!

yes but some of us are also pissed off every time black people are used as if they are criminal or expected it is them committing crimes.

What else do you want me to say or do here, the child is missing, hope he is found

I just cannot help contrasting media response to that seen when other children have gone missing.

OK it is possible that he put his coat and shoes on and went for a wander by himself but face it if he was OK he would have been found doing that by now - a little one would get cold and hungry and would tell someone if he had got lost doing that.

Why is their not a media circus here? I dont suppose it could be because the little lad has Pakistani father could it?

You want to scream at race attitudes maybe the difference in response to a missing little Asian boy and a missing Blonde haired white girl might be worth looking at.

Why no picture of the lad on sky or anywhere that I can see?

Korben Dallas wrote:@ Nobody has been arrested FFS why make that up andy

No there was a man arrested half a mile away earlier and the local grapevine put 2 and 2 together to make 5 which the press heard about and reported. It is now been made clear the arrest is nothing to do with the little boy.

That one is from the Daily Mail and has been in the story from the start.

sphinx wrote:

thanks sphinx

sphinx wrote:That one is from the Daily Mail and has been in the story from the start.

just up pet   . And i don't read newspapers and not seen it on sky news ?

Korben Dallas wrote:

sphinx wrote:That one is from the Daily Mail and has been in the story from the start.

just up pet   . And i don't read newspapers and not seen it on sky news ?

I dont read papers I use their websites for amusement purposes. I cant see it on SKY either but at least SKY have got the story top - I dont think anyone else has.

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


yes but some of us are also pissed off every time black people are used as if they are criminal or expected it is them committing crimes.

What else do you want me to say or do here, the child is missing, hope he is found

I just cannot help contrasting media response to that seen when other children have gone missing.

OK it is possible that he put his coat and shoes on and went for a wander by himself but face it if he was OK he would have been found doing that  by now - a little one would get cold and hungry and would tell someone if he had got lost doing that.  

Why is their not a media circus here?  I dont suppose it could be because the little lad has  Pakistani father could it?

You want to scream at race attitudes maybe the difference in response to a missing little Asian boy and a missing Blonde haired white girl might be worth looking at.

Who says it will not be a media circus, jesus wept you are being a tad over the top here.

It is early stages here and again I hope he is found alive and well

get down off your moral pedestal for fuck sake

taken back to Pakistan by his father?

nicko wrote:taken back to Pakistan by his father?

That is a possibility

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

I just cannot help contrasting media response to that seen when other children have gone missing.

OK it is possible that he put his coat and shoes on and went for a wander by himself but face it if he was OK he would have been found doing that  by now - a little one would get cold and hungry and would tell someone if he had got lost doing that.  

Why is their not a media circus here?  I dont suppose it could be because the little lad has  Pakistani father could it?

You want to scream at race attitudes maybe the difference in response to a missing little Asian boy and a missing Blonde haired white girl might be worth looking at.

Who says it will not be a media circus, jesus wept you are being a tad over the top here.

It is early stages here and again I hope he is found alive and well

get down off your moral pedestal for fuck sake

Well let me see - major news outlets checked 6 - place it was top story 1.

Compare that with Madeleine.

I hope he is found safe and well - I just have doubts whether if he was safe and well he would still be missing. I also think that the more people are aware of him being missing the better the chances of him being found - and the more priority the news outlets give the story the more people will be aware.

How is expecting all children to be treated equally a moral pedestal? Or rather if wanting all children treated the same is a moral pedestal then it is one I am happy to stand on and I sincerely hope there are a lot of other people there with me.

PhilDidge wrote:

nicko wrote:taken back to Pakistan by his father?

That is a possibility

A difficult one I would say - very difficult to manage without leaving a paper trail and one that would be checked quickly by police.

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Who says it will not be a media circus, jesus wept you are being a tad over the top here.

It is early stages here and again I hope he is found alive and well

get down off your moral pedestal for fuck sake

Well let me see - major news outlets checked 6 - place it was top story 1.

Compare that with Madeleine.

I hope he is found safe and well - I just have doubts whether if he was safe and well he would still be missing.  I also think that the more people are aware of him being missing the better the chances of him being found - and the more priority the news outlets give the story the more people will be aware.

How is expecting all children to be treated equally a moral pedestal?  Or rather if wanting all children treated the same is a moral pedestal then it is one I am happy to stand on and I sincerely hope there are a lot of other people there with me.

+1

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Who says it will not be a media circus, jesus wept you are being a tad over the top here.

It is early stages here and again I hope he is found alive and well

get down off your moral pedestal for fuck sake

Well let me see - major news outlets checked 6 - place it was top story 1.

Compare that with Madeleine.

I hope he is found safe and well - I just have doubts whether if he was safe and well he would still be missing.  I also think that the more people are aware of him being missing the better the chances of him being found - and the more priority the news outlets give the story the more people will be aware.

How is expecting all children to be treated equally a moral pedestal?  Or rather if wanting all children treated the same is a moral pedestal then it is one I am happy to stand on and I sincerely hope there are a lot of other people there with me.

Let me explain this again, the story is only just breaking out, if after days it does not receive the same coverage then you can spit your dummy out all day long about coverage.

laters

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Well let me see - major news outlets checked 6 - place it was top story 1.

Compare that with Madeleine.

I hope he is found safe and well - I just have doubts whether if he was safe and well he would still be missing.  I also think that the more people are aware of him being missing the better the chances of him being found - and the more priority the news outlets give the story the more people will be aware.

How is expecting all children to be treated equally a moral pedestal?  Or rather if wanting all children treated the same is a moral pedestal then it is one I am happy to stand on and I sincerely hope there are a lot of other people there with me.

Let me explain this again, the story is only just breaking out, if after days it does not receive the same coverage then you can spit your dummy out all day long about coverage.

laters  

And yet a missing child in Portugal made top listing within 6 hours of it being announced.

This was on the DM website at 11.30am just under the top headline story. 5 hours later it is now story number 7.

That is not equal treatment. Why?

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:FUCK the person arrested for something that was nothing to do with this

THERE IS A CHILD MISSING!!!

yes but some of us are also pissed off every time black people are used as if they are criminal or expected it is them committing crimes.

What else do you want me to say or do here, the child is missing, hope he is found

Nobody is using anybody, or any colour.

That was the precise description given by Sky News, and the one person they interviewed who saw it all. I gave it immediately after seeing it on Sky, hence why I put it down exactly as I heard it.

The guy arrested was black, get over it.  :D 

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Let me explain this again, the story is only just breaking out, if after days it does not receive the same coverage then you can spit your dummy out all day long about coverage.

laters  

And yet a missing child in Portugal made top listing within 6 hours of it being announced.

This was on the DM website at 11.30am just under the top headline story.  5 hours later it is now story number 7.

That is not equal treatment.  Why?

This was the only thing on Sky all morning sphinx - I watched it for a couple of hours non-stop.

BigAndy9 wrote:

sphinx wrote:

And yet a missing child in Portugal made top listing within 6 hours of it being announced.

This was on the DM website at 11.30am just under the top headline story.  5 hours later it is now story number 7.

That is not equal treatment.  Why?

This was the only thing on Sky all morning sphinx - I watched it for a couple of hours non-stop.

But nowhere else - the DM has stories about doggers on a Dukes estate and which country has the healthiest diet above the missing 3 year old.

sphinx wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

This was the only thing on Sky all morning sphinx - I watched it for a couple of hours non-stop.

But nowhere else - the DM has stories about doggers on a Dukes estate and which country has the healthiest diet above the missing 3 year old.  

Yes but a website counts on people clicking on it, going away then clicking on it again - it will be and needs to be constantly updated with fresh material - it's about sales and money - they are a business.

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Let me explain this again, the story is only just breaking out, if after days it does not receive the same coverage then you can spit your dummy out all day long about coverage.

laters  

And yet a missing child in Portugal made top listing within 6 hours of it being announced.

This was on the DM website at 11.30am just under the top headline story.  5 hours later it is now story number 7.

That is not equal treatment.  Why?

Because stories are reacted to differently even when they are the same type of case. I think the Madeline story grabbed so much attention as they were a British family on holiday for such a thing to happen hence the media hype. 

Should it always be reflected the same with every missing child case in my book yes, as much media attention in the early stages provides a much better chance of finding the child, but then I am different to how others would view this. I think you are making more of a point in comparisons to the actual missing child itself, being as you have a bee in your bonnet about the Madeline case, is that fair to say?

BigAndy9 wrote:

sphinx wrote:

But nowhere else - the DM has stories about doggers on a Dukes estate and which country has the healthiest diet above the missing 3 year old.  

Yes but a website counts on people clicking on it, going away then clicking on it again - it will be and needs to be constantly updated with fresh material - it's about sales and money - they are a business.

Other than SKY I can find no media outlet giving this the treatment they gave Madeleine. If papers etc could (and they did) keep Madeleine as their top story for days why can they not do the same for this child?

His family must be worried to death, hope he's found safe and well soon  

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

And yet a missing child in Portugal made top listing within 6 hours of it being announced.

This was on the DM website at 11.30am just under the top headline story.  5 hours later it is now story number 7.

That is not equal treatment.  Why?

Because stories are reacted to differently even when they are the same type of case. I think the Madeline story grabbed so much attention as they were a British family on holiday for such a thing to happen hence the media hype. 

Should it always be reflected the same with every missing child case in my book yes, as much media attention in the early stages provides a much better chance of finding the child, but then I am different to how others would view this. I think you are making more of a point in comparisons to the actual missing child itself, being as you have a bee in your bonnet about the Madeline case, is that fair to say?

British family on holiday and the world goes mad
Scottish family in their own home and who gives a fuck

No I am making comparisons in how people are reacting - and asking why and wondering if it is anything to do with the fact this case involves a single mum and a child described as asian in appearance while the other involved a Catholic couple with a blonde haired white child.

This is no different to what happens in large areas of the states - missing black/hispanic/asian children cause far less outcry than missing white children. It is wrong.

I want this boy found. I want people to care. I am not going to get my wish on the second count.

sphinx wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

Yes but a website counts on people clicking on it, going away then clicking on it again - it will be and needs to be constantly updated with fresh material - it's about sales and money - they are a business.

Other than SKY I can find no media outlet giving this the treatment they gave Madeleine.  If papers etc could (and they did) keep Madeleine as their top story for days why can they not do the same for this child?  

It's only the first day Sphinx. It was the exact same with the April Jones case, as in if the little boy is not found by tomorrow morning, it will be rolling news constantly. And of course, it is the leading news story up here in the Scottish media.

It was the top story on ITV news tonight and it has been on ITV all day, as was the April Jones story from day 1.

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Because stories are reacted to differently even when they are the same type of case. I think the Madeline story grabbed so much attention as they were a British family on holiday for such a thing to happen hence the media hype. 

Should it always be reflected the same with every missing child case in my book yes, as much media attention in the early stages provides a much better chance of finding the child, but then I am different to how others would view this. I think you are making more of a point in comparisons to the actual missing child itself, being as you have a bee in your bonnet about the Madeline case, is that fair to say?

British family on holiday and the world goes mad
Scottish family in their own home and who gives a fuck

No I am making comparisons in how people are reacting - and asking why and wondering if it is anything to do with the fact this case involves a single mum and a child described as asian in appearance while the other involved a Catholic couple with a blonde haired white child.

This is no different to what happens in large areas of the states - missing black/hispanic/asian children cause far less outcry than missing white children.  It is wrong.

I want this boy found.  I want people to care.  I am not going to get my wish on the second count.

No I think you are more making a point out of the MM case than you are about this case, just by reading your replies.

So stop talking about the MM case and make a difference for this case if that is your objective

Again we both cannot understand how people always react different to each news story, there are plenty of examples of some crimes getting more than others, sadly that is a fact

It's public attention and where it is focused. We had the same thing after ‎Natalee Holloway went missing in Aruba. Anything suspicious happening in Aruba gets above-the-fold, first page attention.

Ok we now have more information and I suppose it should have been obvious from the start.

His mother is separated from the father of the children, and he is Pakistani.

Locals say there was a dispute over custody, although this is not official.

The above is from the Sky News website.

The father, from Pakistan, probably only wanted the boy.

Hopefully now they have more information they will find the poor lad safe and sound.

This case is really strange because I just can't imagine that a young 3 year old boy got up got himself ready and walked out of the flat and down the stairs into the street of his own accord. People lock their doors at night and these are modern flats built on the site of the old Ferranti facility so if someone entered the flat then they must have had a key, went in, put the lights on in the bedroom where he knew he was sleeping and where there must have other children, woke the boy and got him ready and left and nobody heard a thing?
Seemingly he normally sleeps beside his twin sister but last night he didn't. It's all very strange and somehow I just get the uneasy feeling that the boy wasn't even in the flat last night. It just doesn't add up.
Whatever has happened to him I just hope that he is safe and well and being looked after and his whereabouts are found out quickly.

...I , like most will second that Irn, it never knew about this wee lad till I logged on here, I really hope he is found safe and well, I have a wee boy of three myself and the thought of him going missing is terrifying and distressing, his parents must be going through hell.

Is strange as you say Irn, the tenement door alone is heavy for a bairn to open, maybe he did manage to get out himself, but just seems strange .

Very disturbing. There is no way that child wandered off. They are being very quiet about the father so hopefully he is with him.
My own opinion , I dont think he was in the flat as his mother says.   

NemsAgain wrote:Very disturbing. There is no way that child wandered off. They are being very quiet about the father  so hopefully he is with him.
My own opinion , I dont think he was in the flat as his mother says.   

I agree. Thinking about flats, the front doors are usually quite heavy and surely she would have heard something in the flat unless it is a very large one, which i'm guessing it isn't.

Maybe she sold him?

According the news I have just read the father has been spoken to and they are still treating it as missing persons not abduction with "no evidence of criminality" and that all members of the family had been helpful with no evidence of any tensions.

The thing that keeps running through my mind (and I appreciate I have no knowledge of the area) is that a predator made contact with him and persuaded him to leave his home with gloves coat and shoes then was responsible for getting him out of the actual building. Some story about watching owls from the roof but dont tell anyone sort of thing.

I mean the police keep saying it is not impossible for him to have left on his own - the big flats near me have a disabled button near their doors so the elderly and disabled inside the building can press it to mechanically open the doors - maybe that facility was on those flats so he could get out. I do have to say though if he went out on his own something bad has happened - little lads will go off on their own but when they get tired hungry and cold they want mummy and even if taught not to approach strangers would go into a shop or try and get on a bus.

This is worrying.

One thing we can depend on is the professionalism of the British police in serious cases like this.

They will investigate everything, thoroughly and will keep most things very close to their chests.

I'm sure we will know everything soon enough.

Excellent point on the large round disabled buttons sphinx - hadn't thought about that.

I know children can get out of flats near me - OK it is normally with their mums permission but they are as enthusiastic about pressing the door button as they are the one to cross the road.

I just would have thought that if there was no way for him to get out on his own the police would have changed from not impossible to we dont think he could have got out without assistance or something.

I am also not sure what to make of the bit about CCTV showing nothing conclusive - does that mean that there are normal easy routes not covered by CCTV or that everything normal is covered and he does not appear?