MISSING 3 YEAR OLD

grumpy old git wrote:Tragic of course, but please....whats with all the mass hysteria, people who didnt even know he existed having paroxysms of "grief"?
and ...attending a ?church? (thus presumably christian) when the kid was (presumably) of an asian faith???

This kind of behaviour makes me squirm.

sphinx wrote:

grumpy old git wrote:WHY would a mother harm her kids...WHY

OK everything is now Sub Judice until trial so nothing new will actually be reported until it comes out in court however the wording is "charged in connection with" which suggests the charge may not involve direct harm by the mother.  For instance if the child was attacked by a relative or accidentally harmed by a sibling and the mother has spun the disappearance to protect them then she is not herself responsible for harm.

If it was totally and unequivocally her fault I would expect the news to be specific to the charge - like murder or manslaughter.

grumpy old git wrote:Tragic of course, but please....whats with all the mass hysteria, people who didnt even know he existed having paroxysms of "grief"?
and ...attending a ?church? (thus presumably christian) when the kid was (presumably) of an asian faith???

This kind of behaviour makes me squirm.

sphinx wrote:

grumpy old git wrote:WHY would a mother harm her kids...WHY

OK everything is now Sub Judice until trial so nothing new will actually be reported until it comes out in court however the wording is "charged in connection with" which suggests the charge may not involve direct harm by the mother.  For instance if the child was attacked by a relative or accidentally harmed by a sibling and the mother has spun the disappearance to protect them then she is not herself responsible for harm.

If it was totally and unequivocally her fault I would expect the news to be specific to the charge - like murder or manslaughter.

Joy Division wrote:

grumpy old git wrote:Tragic of course, but please....whats with all the mass hysteria, people who didnt even know he existed having paroxysms of "grief"?
and ...attending a ?church? (thus presumably christian) when the kid was (presumably) of an asian faith???

This kind of behaviour makes me squirm.

Grumpy, I'm hearing what you say here, but many people who have kids of their own can feel some sort of pain, even without knowing the wee lad...it's called compassion mate.

And should it really matter what faith the wee lad was?, he wasn't even old enough to fully understand religion, he would be more interested in playing if her were still here I'm sure.



While it may well make you 'squirm' , I can relate to it in the fact he was a defenceless wee boy, and I'm trying to put myself in his position, although I really can't, but I look at my wee boy who is also 3 and think ...' Oh my God, what if that something terrible like that ever happened  to him'.

I hear what you say, but I think those parents their with their children genuinely have some level of grief for that poor wee boy.

Irn Bru wrote:

sphinx wrote:

OK everything is now Sub Judice until trial so nothing new will actually be reported until it comes out in court however the wording is "charged in connection with" which suggests the charge may not involve direct harm by the mother.  For instance if the child was attacked by a relative or accidentally harmed by a sibling and the mother has spun the disappearance to protect them then she is not herself responsible for harm.

If it was totally and unequivocally her fault I would expect the news to be specific to the charge - like murder or manslaughter.

Standard process under Scottish law is that the specific charges are laid before the court and not before.

Costa wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

Grumpy, I'm hearing what you say here, but many people who have kids of their own can feel some sort of pain, even without knowing the wee lad...it's called compassion mate.

And should it really matter what faith the wee lad was?, he wasn't even old enough to fully understand religion, he would be more interested in playing if her were still here I'm sure.



While it may well make you 'squirm' , I can relate to it in the fact he was a defenceless wee boy, and I'm trying to put myself in his position, although I really can't, but I look at my wee boy who is also 3 and think ...' Oh my God, what if that something terrible like that ever happened  to him'.

I hear what you say, but I think those parents their with their children genuinely have some level of grief for that poor wee boy.

Totally agree on all that joy, you didn't have to know the wee boy to be touched by it. I know I've shed a tear for him.

sphinx wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Standard process under Scottish law is that the specific charges are laid before the court and not before.

Thanks Irn - I know there are differences between the legal systems I am just not familiar with what they are if that makes sense.  We will find out tomorrow.

sphinx wrote:Its murder.

That is not going to be a nice trial and we will have no idea what was found until it does come to trial.

sphinx wrote:Its murder.

That is not going to be a nice trial and we will have no idea what was found until it does come to trial.

Irn Bru wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Thanks Irn - I know there are differences between the legal systems I am just not familiar with what they are if that makes sense.  We will find out tomorrow.

There are quite a few differences but I've lost track of most of them. I think the most obvious one is that under Scots law a jury can return a 'Not Proven' verdict which leaves open the possibility for a someone to be tried again under the same charges.
I'm not certain but I don't think you have that in English law.

sphinx wrote:Its murder.

That is not going to be a nice trial and we will have no idea what was found until it does come to trial.

Irn Bru wrote:

sphinx wrote:Its murder.

That is not going to be a nice trial and we will have no idea what was found until it does come to trial.

Hard to believe that she could pull this off on her own without the knowledge of other people so possibly other arrests and charges to follow.

Irn Bru wrote:

sphinx wrote:Its murder.

That is not going to be a nice trial and we will have no idea what was found until it does come to trial.

Hard to believe that she could pull this off on her own without the knowledge of other people so possibly other arrests and charges to follow.