Hilary Clinton isn't the only woman.....

by eddie Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:20 pm

Jill Stein makes some valid points

by Guest Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:08 pm

Stein wants "a moratorium on GMOs and pesticides until they are proven safe." However, the Guardian notes that "research shows GM food is generally safe." According to the Washington Post, "a recent report published by the European Union reviewed dozens of studies of genetically modified organisms and concluded they were no more dangerous than conventionally bred strains." The American Association for the Advancement of Science agrees with the assessment that GMOs are no more dangerous than conventionally bred strains.
Stein has voiced her opposition to wireless internet (Wi-Fi) in schools, saying, "We should not subjecting kid’s brains especially to that... and we don’t follow this issue in our country, but in Europe where they do, you know, they have good precautions about wireless. Maybe not good enough, you know. It’s very hard to study this stuff. You know, we make guinea pigs out of whole populations and then we discover how many die."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein

She's got a 'FEW BOLTS SHY OF A FIRM FOUNDATION' if you get my jest!
And her angst about the 'wifi' and her general issues with 'Free Internet' for rural area's has been a HUGE stumbling block for her and now as she keeps ranting about shutting down 'any and all insecticides' while we are fighting the on slot of Zika virus invasion ...she's just shooting herself firmly in both feet and she's as oblivious as trying to explain the way Zika is transmitted to humans by the SPECIFIC KNOWN MOSQUITO TYPE, to some lesser thinking humanoids right around here! UGHHHHH Evil or Very Mad

by Original Quill Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:05 pm

Yes, she's answering questions. Just not the ones the public is asking right now.

by Copernicus Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:22 pm

Hillary Clinton is the only woman candidate who actually has a chance of becoming President. Jill Stein does not. So you have to wonder why she is leading the Green Party to bleed votes away from the only realistic candidate who supports progressive causes. To the extent that Jill Stein is successful, Hillary Clinton loses the general election, and Donald Trump becomes President. What does she think Donald Trump's policies on GMOs will be? On global warming? On air and water pollution? Her video only bashes Hillary Clinton and says nothing about Trump. Why? Because Jill Stein is trying to poach votes away from Hillary Clinton. She has little to no appeal when it comes to Trump supporters.

by eddie Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:26 pm

Welcome to the forum Copernicus,

Well tbh, I don't have a vote obviously but if I did, I'd not vote for Clinton just because she's the lesser of two evils. I always vote from the heart and that's what the ex-Bernie voters should do.

by veya_victaous Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:33 pm

Copernicus wrote:Hillary Clinton is the only woman candidate who actually has a chance of becoming President. Jill Stein does not. So you have to wonder why she is leading the Green Party to bleed votes away from the only realistic candidate who supports progressive causes. To the extent that Jill Stein is successful, Hillary Clinton loses the general election, and Donald Trump becomes President. What does she think Donald Trump's policies on GMOs will be? On global warming? On air and water pollution? Her video only bashes Hillary Clinton and says nothing about Trump. Why? Because Jill Stein is trying to poach votes away from Hillary Clinton. She has little to no appeal when it comes to Trump supporters.

And then after Trump?
Repubs basically destroyed
Democrats Fill the conservative Role (like they are with Hillary)
And the Greens take over the Progressive role

Long game it would be better.

And How is Jill pinching them for Hillary?
Jill Seems to have held these Values for a long time, Hillary has only recently reached them!!!
Thus it is Hillary trying to take the votes from the Left wing party, as is the Modus operandi of a Bandwagon jumping party hack
If you support the Ideals and not just the Party, then you should be voting Greens

by JulesV Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:58 am

Jill Stein is likeable and gives a good account of herself. But she cannot match Hillary's experience. Hills has been flotus and secretary of state too, travelled all over the globe and is quite a wily businesswoman. I don't care how much she charges for her speeches.

Anyone who has been around for decades has a lil dirt on them - her rep doesn't faze me.

by Copernicus Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:05 am

veya_victaous wrote:...
And then after Trump?
Repubs basically destroyed
Democrats Fill the conservative Role (like they are with Hillary)
And the Greens take over the Progressive role

This is extremely unlikely. Trump will probably hurt the GOP a lot, but not destroy it. Trump is something of an aberration that was unleashed by their scorched Earth strategy with the Obama administration. They could not control the anger and resentment that they stoked up. The Democratic coalition will probably become more moderate, because people with more moderate political views are fleeing Trump and going towards the Democrats. Had Bernie remained in the Democratic Party, IMO, he would have had more ability to prevent that from happening.

veya_victaous wrote:Long game it would be better.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, but I don't think Bernie is doing that effectively by remaining aloof from party politics. He will remain a powerful figure within Vermont politics, but Elizabeth Warren is now probably the most powerful progressive force in the country.

veya_victaous wrote:And How is Jill pinching them for Hillary?
Jill Seems to have held these Values for a long time, Hillary has only recently reached them!!!
Thus it is Hillary trying to take the votes from the Left wing party, as is the Modus operandi of a Bandwagon jumping party hack
If you support the Ideals and not just the Party, then you should be voting Greens

I don't think that you are very familiar with Hillary Clinton's background. Since college, she has been at the forefront of progressive politics and championed a single-payer health care plan during Bill Clinton's administration. As for Jill Stein, she has had no real impact on American politics, since she chooses to be the big fish in a tiny pond. The Green Party is far less effective in the US than elsewhere in the world precisely because the US is a two-party system. Much as I hate to admit it, that won't change.

Now, please review what I said about Jill pinching votes from Hillary. Jill Stein clearly believes she is, because the commercial in the OP was all about bashing Hillary for not being progressive enough. She didn't bash Trump, because that isn't where she sees her votes coming from. To the extent that Jill Stein is successful, Donald Trump gains. In fact, I would not be at all surprised to discover that Jill Stein was getting funds from Republicans who hope that she bleeds votes away from Hillary. Jill Stein herself has no hope at all of winning election.

by veya_victaous Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:27 am

Hillary isn't progressive enough!!
It is a commonly held perspective
They Are NOT Hillarys Votes to begin with

THAT ATTITUDE is what is turning the younger generation away from the dems
The Dems DO NOT OWN The left.
If they want to put up shit they should
NOT expcet people to fall in Line.
they Should be made to pay the price So they give better candidates in the Future

And a Left winger is told to fall in line, Should BURN IT DOWN!!
Thats is the polar Opposite of the Left wing ideals,
If people voted for Ideals instead of the party banner that should be the END of any 'left' wing political party.

by veya_victaous Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:35 am

That represents My opinon on the current election

https://imgur.com/gallery/OUmBS

And as you can see, I am not alone, I am just repeating the commonly held opinion of the left wing youth.
Hilary Clinton isn't the only woman..... Commen10

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by Guest Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:40 am

Well, congrats to you Cop. you've ferreted out the 'Mishka' persona - anti - HRC member on your first day with in your first 5 hours!
Dude, that's gotta be some kinda of record cheers

Ben, Quill and I have all tried - to bring Vega to the lighted room of correct & current information but ...this young one is firm in his resolve - wrong tho it be - he'd take it to the grave with him, I think Rolling Eyes

by veya_victaous Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:50 am

4EVER2 wrote:Well, congrats to you Cop. you've ferreted out the 'Mishka' persona - anti - HRC member on you first day with in you first 5 hours! Dude, that's gotta be some kinda of record
Ben, Quill and I have all tried - to bring Vega to the lighted room of correct & current information but ...this young one is firm in his revolve - wrong tho it be - he'd take it to the grave with him, I think

Yes, to the Grave I say.
I WILL STAND BY IDEALS
NOT A PARTY'S FLAG

and no You don't think Rolling Eyes

thats the problem,
you were going to vote Dems long before the nominations started
How many years have you voted dems?

So maybe you thought long ago, but since then you have been using the mental shorthand of party politics
Even the logic of Jill Stealing votes, Like the Dems own them shows how deeply ingrained this mental laziness is.

The probelm is with the Dem relying on the like of you, is that the Youth are still thinking and questioning
And you can go on imgur, reddit any of these sites where left wing youth congregate and Read the despair
that the Dems have put up this party hack.
Like me disgusted and demoralized that "This is the 'best' we can do".

by Guest Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:59 am

Let me get this right ...did you or did you not just drag a group of bilige like posts from something that resembles a FB comment page in here for justification to support your POV regarding HRC that you really have zero clue about?

Well, Veya ...I'm disappointed ...I really have read so much better written posts and I've told you so too!
Dam man don't let HRC be your demise ...let it GO!

BTW - you really aren' paying attention, I've told you that I'm an Independent (undeclared) - just signed my declaration on Aug. 2nd so I could vote in my local election ...I've told you that I've voted for GWB before too. Your not paying attention, don't fabricate BS now! Evil or Very Mad

by veya_victaous Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:41 am

Imgur is Bigger than FOX news the fact that old people ignore the new mass media is another reaosn why Hillary is not getting the votes from young people.

Imgur served more images in 10 minutes than there are in the entire Library of Congress.[7] In 2012, there were 300 million images uploaded, 364 billion image views counted, and 42 petabytes of data transferred.

You don't have to convince me you have to convince the million of diseffect American Youth that are Being Driven away from the Dems By this Die hard devotion to a Really crap politican For NO GOOD REASON.

by Ben Reilly Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:14 am

Never voted for Bush, though at one point (maybe Sept. 15, 2001) I thought I would. I did vote for Nader in 2000 and I still live with a hint of guilt about that, even though it's totally irrational ...

That was my first presidential election, though, and I had no idea about how harmful the Republicans were at the time. If I'd known, I'd have been voting for the only party that can keep them out of power, as I do now.

by veya_victaous Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:31 am

Hilary Clinton isn't the only woman..... RSY8x2f

hmm I wonder how effective this is Suspect

by Ben Reilly Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:36 am

I think she'll be a good president. The best ever? Probably not, but then again, in 1999, few thought Bush would become the worst ever.

So she has a record of fighting for whatever society gives her cover for? Well, society is way to the left of any political party, so color me stoked.

by eddie Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:19 am

Ben Reilly wrote:Never voted for Bush, though at one point (maybe Sept. 15, 2001) I thought I would. I did vote for Nader in 2000 and I still live with a hint of guilt about that, even though it's totally irrational ...

That was my first presidential election, though, and I had no idea about how harmful the Republicans were at the time. If I'd known, I'd have been voting for the only party that can keep them out of power, as I do now.

You don't vote from the heart, you vote tactically. I would never, ever do that.

When Hilary becomes your president you're going to go "Phew! It's not Trump!"
But that's not the same as being pleased it's Hilary.

If you want to vote green, vote green. A vote from the heart is never a wasted vote.

by eddie Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:19 am

Ben Reilly wrote:Never voted for Bush, though at one point (maybe Sept. 15, 2001) I thought I would. I did vote for Nader in 2000 and I still live with a hint of guilt about that, even though it's totally irrational ...

That was my first presidential election, though, and I had no idea about how harmful the Republicans were at the time. If I'd known, I'd have been voting for the only party that can keep them out of power, as I do now.

You don't vote from the heart, you vote tactically. I would never, ever do that.

When Hilary becomes your president you're going to go "Phew! It's not Trump!"
But that's not the same as being pleased it's Hilary.

If you want to vote green, vote green. A vote from the heart is never a wasted vote.

by 'Wolfie Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:27 pm

TWO PROBLEMS with the current "first past the post/two horse race" electoral system in the USA, that means that eddie's and veya's votes would be wasted in this election :

* voting isn't compulsory; nor do citizens have to register as voters once they turn 18: and

* they don't have preferential voting for their Presidential election...

WITH that conservative/suspicious/anti-progress mentality that infests so many American voters, it would be much better strategy for the minor anti-Repub' groups to throw their support behind the Democrats -- and campaign actively against Trump and his Tea-party backers -- rather than siphoning off potential anti-Trump votes. Hilary Clinton isn't the only woman..... 1284863816

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by Guest Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:35 pm

eddie wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Never voted for Bush, though at one point (maybe Sept. 15, 2001) I thought I would. I did vote for Nader in 2000 and I still live with a hint of guilt about that, even though it's totally irrational ...

That was my first presidential election, though, and I had no idea about how harmful the Republicans were at the time. If I'd known, I'd have been voting for the only party that can keep them out of power, as I do now.
You don't vote from the heart, you vote tactically. I would never, ever do that.

When Hilary becomes your president you're going to go "Phew! It's not Trump!"
But that's not the same as being pleased it's Hilary.

If you want to vote green, vote green. A vote from the heart is never a wasted vote.

There's a whole load of very heavy naivety in your thought process, Eddie.
As I have had the LUXURY of voting for my other party choices in the past, when our nations safety wasnt facing such serious global issues and a mentally disfunctional contender seated across from HRC. But NOT NOW - NOT HERE - NOT ONLY NO, HELL NO!

by eddie Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:49 pm

It's a race between a liar and lunatic, that's what people are saying.
I'd vote for neither.

There's no way I'd vote for someone to keep someone else out. It's not what your vote is for.

by Guest Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:03 pm

eddie wrote:It's a race between a liar and lunatic, that's what people are saying.
I'd vote for neither.

There's no way I'd vote for someone to keep someone else out. It's not what your vote is for.

You've really planted your self on that 'PERCH' of imperialness about HRC {and as your keep harping - she's a liar, when before it was her husbands a cheater} you'd just stay home and not put your COUNTRIES SAFETY - YOUR NATIONS BEST INTEREST BEFORE your own simple minded values! Suspect

Well, that's pretty sad, because as I was TAUGHT about the reason for 'VOTING' wasn't about ME - ME - ME; but what was best for MY COUNTRY. You and young Veya seem bent in another entirely self-full-filling need to PLEASE yourself first and F' everything else that is primary importance for the nation! Evil or Very Mad

WOW, I'm glad that there aren't large numbers of young people thinking along THOSE LINES. Hilary Clinton isn't the only woman..... 202592697

by Original Quill Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:50 pm

eddie wrote:When Hilary becomes your president you're going to go "Phew! It's not Trump!"
But that's not the same as being pleased it's Hilary.

To the contrary, we'll be enthusiastically cheering a new Supreme Court, hundreds of lower court judicial appointments (stalled since Repuglicans came to power), a Democratic Senate, a Democratic House of Representatives, the end of Repuglican anti-democratic measures (Jim Crow laws of voter suppression), revisions in social security, a new, completely socialized healthcare plan for all, childcare help, open enrollment for higher education, and restorations in food and housing for the underprivileged, restoration of support for Planned Parenthood, the end of anti-abortion laws in the south and Midwest, and the continued prosperity we have enjoyed under the greatest president the US has ever had, Dr. Obama.

Bernie Sanders would have been down at Wall Street, shouting at the wind…no one paying attention.

by Copernicus Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:12 pm

eddie wrote:It's a race between a liar and lunatic, that's what people are saying.
I'd vote for neither.

There's no way I'd vote for someone to keep someone else out. It's not what your vote is for.

Well, you got the "lunatic" part right, anyway. Trump and Clinton are not equivalent. FWIW, my opinion is that those who refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils richly deserve whichever evil they get. They are just letting other people make the tough decision for them. That said, it makes no sense to call Hillary Clinton a liar. All politicians lie and pander up to a point. Some, like Sanders, don't have a lot to lie about, but that doesn't mean that they don't lie when they do face losing votes over telling the truth. Sanders struggled to give the impression that he believed in God and that he hadn't pandered to the gun lobby. The fact is, however, that Hillary Clinton has been more truthful than most politicians, if you actually check her record rather than relying on innuendo, rumor, and propaganda.

They say that "perception is everything" in politics. The most famous example of that was the "lie" that Al Gore told when he denied having claimed that he invented the Internet. The whole thing resulted from a Wolf Blitzer interview in which Blitzer asked Gore what he had to bring to the presidential race. One of the things that Gore said in response was an absolute truth: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." He was perhaps the most influential politician in getting Congress to fund the creation of the computer network that evolved into the Internet. That was his initiative. This got spun as a ridiculous claim that he had actually "invented" the Internet. His opponents spun it mercilessly against him, and he actually ended up apologizing for telling the truth!

Hillary Clinton has certainly told lies and pandered to her audiences, but she does not deserve a reputation for being unusually dishonest or corrupt. That is all spin. When fact checkers actually look at what she has said in her campaign speeches, she appears to be more genuinely honest than most other politicians. She is especially careful these days because of her unearned reputation for being exceptionally dishonest.

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