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RIO & the ZIKA Virus
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This has now become the 'ZIKA' topic ...
This has now become the 'ZIKA' topic ...
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I just can't imagine this mother's fret filled days and nights and being a nurse - knowing the medical problems that her baby faces if she doesn't terminate her pregnancy and has to face keeping the baby or aborting the baby ...OMG.By David Begnaud CBS News August 2, 2016, 7:30 PM
"DEET should be Miami's new perfume"
MIAMI -- On Tuesday, health officials reported a 15th case of Zika virus in south Florida, apparently transmitted by mosquitoes.
But this one was outside the so-called "Zika zone" in Miami's Wynwood neighborhood.
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Zika can cause severe birth defects, and a major effort is underway to protect women who are expecting.
"Women are scared to death right now," said 36-year-old Jessica Ardente.
Ardente is an expectant mother and a nurse practitioner.
"That makes it worse because you know what's out there in the news, but you also know the medical ramifications that can happen," she said. Not to mention, she lives in the Zika zone. "Right smack dab in the middle of it," she said. Following CDC recommendations, she gave blood and urine samples on Monday to test for the presence of Zika virus. Ardente is due in January.
"At this point, we are not telling women that there is a safe trimester," said Dr. Christine Curry of the University of Miami's Miller School of Medicine, and Ardente's OBGYN.
Dr. Curry is monitoring 12 pregnant women believed to have contracted Zika while traveling.
"A year ago there wasn't a conversation about it, and now it's something that's effecting and infecting most of our hemisphere," she said. "And so it's really changing the reproductive narrative for women all over."
Dr. Matthew DeGennaro is a mosquito geneticist, who believes Zika will spread to other pockets of Miami Dade county.
"The way that will happen is not by the spread of mosquitoes themselves, but by the movement of infected people," he said.
The CDC is encouraging everyone living in areas where there are mosquitoes that can carry Zika to protect themselves by covering up and using repellent with DEET.
"DEET should be Miami's new perfume," said Dr. DeGennaro.Dr. Matthew DeGennaro.
Tuesday, in the Zika zone, Miami police handed out free repellent to homeless people.
Ardente is spending less time outdoors, awaiting the outcome of her Zika test.
How long will it take to get the results? Seven to ten days, Ardente said.
"I would love to know to tomorrow," she said, "but it's not going to happen."
Inside the Zika zone, business owners are becoming concerned about what the spread of the virus is going to do to their bottom line. Wednesday morning, for the first time this year, crews will start aerial spraying of repellent in a 10 square mile area around the Zika zone.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/expert-deet-should-be-miamis-new-perfume-in-light-of-zika-virus/
Well, there's 12 pregnant women that the CDC is monitoring and to have to wait those 7 - 10 days of waiting for the test results for the ZIKA scan ...unF'n believable!
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Awwww, still to lazy to do the reading, I see!Tommy Monk wrote:And there we have it folks... just more bullshit!!!
And here is yet another drawing for your visionary pleasure, that you'll need an adult to read to you but perhaps ...just maybe you'll stop your future BS utterances and continued confused way of twisting what you DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS ISSUE around and trying to make it sound LIKE YOU DO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SERIOUS ISSUE!
And now Fuck-Wit, I'll call it a finished game and place your sorry ass back on ignore; your quite the example of What Ruins A Decent Discussion!
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Tommy Monk wrote:Now... try answering the question... I will break it down for you...
1) What makes you think that someone can't turn up in America with the virus after contracting it abroad?
2) what makes you think that a person arriving to America cant get bitten by a local mosquito that is capable of transmitting the virus?
3) what makes you think a mosquito cant bite soneone with the virus and then transmit it to another local person...!!!???
Still waiting...
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Tommy Monk wrote:
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/06/scientific-sleuths-hunt-zika-carrying-mosquitoes
It says in here that other types of mosquito are thought to be capable of transmitting the virus...
And in lab tests it has been said to be confirmed...
So just try answering the questions one at a time instead of flip flopping about and spouting bullshit...!?
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Thats exactly what he's saying and gioven te info in that post eddie made ...is the most likely happening
person A travels to a zika area...gets infected...
returns home and ignores the mild symptoms
gets bitten by a local mossie
which then goes and bites person B
who has never been in a known zika area
the mossies are NOT travelling....according to that article they are proper stay at homes....within 150 meters of home......
so tommy has been right all along.....
so 4ever just pack it in.....
you are in such a hurry to indulge your nasty mouth you cant even read properly....
person A travels to a zika area...gets infected...
returns home and ignores the mild symptoms
gets bitten by a local mossie
which then goes and bites person B
who has never been in a known zika area
the mossies are NOT travelling....according to that article they are proper stay at homes....within 150 meters of home......
so tommy has been right all along.....
so 4ever just pack it in.....
you are in such a hurry to indulge your nasty mouth you cant even read properly....
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OOPS ...your reading comprehensive skills seem lacking as well ...so if the SIMPLE DIAGRAMS AND THE CDC directors explanation can't help you ---Lord Foul wrote:Thats exactly what he's saying and gioven te info in that post eddie made ...is the most likely happening
person A travels to a zika area...gets infected...
returns home and ignores the mild symptoms
gets bitten by a local mossie
which then goes and bites person B
who has never been in a known zika area
the mossies are NOT travelling....according to that article they are proper stay at homes....within 150 meters of home......
so tommy has been right all along.....
so 4ever just pack it in.....
you are in such a hurry to indulge your nasty mouth you cant even read properly....
You've just planted your HUGE BIG FOOT RIGHT UP INTO YOUR MOUTH QUITE NICELY
Well Done OLE foul one!
There's STUPID and THERES PROVEN STUPID ...YOU JUST SUCCEEDED WITH BOTH!
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What is wrong with this woman...!!!???
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she got bitten by a "stupid bug"
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FOR YOU 4EVER
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Amusing you are not ...Lord Foul wrote:FOR YOU 4EVER
"Posters that repeatedly post in such a manner that admins deem it deliberately disruptive of threads will be warned, and action will taken against repeat offenders"
This was my topic - my proof - my continued articles that PROVE AND VALIDATED MY POV - I seperated out the original 2016 Olympic articles so they wouldn't get buried in the manure pile being created by 'Village Idiot' ...this entire article segmented specifically into WTF was going on in MY country ...
a.) 2 - 3 - 4 people being diagnosed with the ZIKA VIRUS: THEY WERE NON-TRAVELERS/nonsexually connected ...SO WHERE WERE THE SPECFIC CARRIERS MOSQUITS HIDING??? June 12th was when that all stared rolling out!
b. And then Tommykins decides to drop in and become fixated about this (as he has with everything else he's trashed the topics about ---
c. Ya, you couldn't be bothered to do any FACT CHECKING - ANY PREVIOUS READING where I've gone above and beyond to answer his redundant questions to only see him turn around and answer someone else WRONG
Oh, you and your chest thumping - big foot approach just proved what a royal ass you are!
SO GENIUS WHAT SPECFIC TYPE OF MOSQUITO DID THEY FINALLY LOCATE IN THAT POCKET IN MIAMI, FL ...YA, THAT ONE THAT THE CDC WAS RUSHING AROUND TRYING TO FIND
Because your BS story and the Village Idiots is WRONG - WRONG - WRONG
But don't get all emotional about FACTS just keep doing your standard knee JERK HYSTERICAL OVER REACTION BY BS AND FALSE ASSumptions
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Tommy Monk wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:Now... try answering the question... I will break it down for you...
1) What makes you think that someone can't turn up in America with the virus after contracting it abroad?
2) what makes you think that a person arriving to America cant get bitten by a local mosquito that is capable of transmitting the virus?
3) what makes you think a mosquito cant bite soneone with the virus and then transmit it to another local person...!!!???
Still waiting...
And still waiting...
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4EVER2 wrote:Awwww, still to lazy to do the reading, I see!Tommy Monk wrote:And there we have it folks... just more bullshit!!!
And here is yet another drawing for your visionary pleasure, that you'll need an adult to read to you but perhaps ...just maybe you'll stop your future BS utterances and continued confused way of twisting what you DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS ISSUE around and trying to make it sound LIKE YOU DO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SERIOUS ISSUE!
And now Fuck-Wit, I'll call it a finished game and place your sorry ass back on ignore; your quite the example of What Ruins A Decent Discussion!
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nicko wrote:Sorry Tommy, if she's in the wrong she wont answer.
She has answered him every step of the way with facts that prove him wrong, don't you start being an idiot as well.
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Well sassy i have asked her 4 times to prove that i called her a vile name,
she has not answered, so what am i supposed to make of that?
she has not answered, so what am i supposed to make of that?
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sassy wrote:nicko wrote:Sorry Tommy, if she's in the wrong she wont answer.
She has answered him every step of the way with facts that prove him wrong, don't you start being an idiot as well.
Fact 1... people can enter the usa with the zika virus.
Fact 2... this can then be spread by local mosquitos to other local people.
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Despite the 'LACK OF MODS' doing anything about the GOADING and redundant topic derailing that you are allowing; this is far too important a thread and ADULT discussion and yet your lack of 'Give-A-Shit' but heavy assed boot stomping around at the wrong member is so F'd up as usual!CBS News August 4, 2016, 7:10 AM
As Florida's Zika battle escalates, money to fight virus running out
WYNWOOD, Fla. -- An aerial attack on aedes aegypti mosquitoes carrying the Zika virus began Thursday morning in south Florida. The Department of Health and Human Services warns that money to fight Zika could run out this month. Fifteen locally transmitted Zika cases have been confirmed in Miami-Dade and Broward Counties.
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Possible Zika vaccine being tested
The NIH has begun a new vaccine trial to combat Zika. Dr. Jon LaPook has more.
The first plane spraying for the mosquitoes targeted a 10-square mile area with insecticide, reports CBS News correspondent David Begnaud. Government officials warn, in order to combat this virus, it's going to take billions that Congress has yet to approve.
Fighting the Zika virus is challenging and expensive. The first Zika vaccine is now being tested by the National Institutes of Health. According to the NIH, this vaccine uses a DNA approach which is similar to how the West Nile virus vaccine was developed. Eighty volunteers are the focus of this first phase of testing. If successful, up to 5,000 more people could be tested in a second phase starting in January.
National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director Dr. Anthony Fauci said stalled funding in Congress could compromise the process.
"The president asked for $1.9 billion in February," Fauci said. "If we don't get the money very soon that will interfere with the smooth transition ... into the phase two trial."
Florida is the only state to report locally transmitted cases of Zika. Miami-Dade County is using an insecticide called Naled to spray the bugs from the air. In Puerto Rico, where nearly 5,000 cases of Zika have been reported, officials rejected using the chemical over health concerns -- but the EPA insists the pesticide is safe.
In 2015 an estimated 15 million people visited Miami, spending approximately $24 billion. So for the city, Zika's threat expands beyond a health crisis.
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said he is "deeply concerned" about Zika's impact on Florida's tourism industry.
"Do you think there's a reluctance on the part of some state officials to act more aggressively because they're afraid of what it may do to tourism?" Begnaud asked him.
"I haven't seen that. The state has put up close to $20 million of state money to deal with this issue," Rubio said. "I don't think the state would put public health behind tourism."
Gov. Rick Scott announced Wednesday that all pregnant women across the state can now be tested for free. But civilians aren't the only ones affected, as 44 service members overseas reportedly are also infected with Zika -- including one pregnant woman.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/zika-virus-miami-wynwood-florida-plane-sprays-insecticide-money-running-out/
But very telling and how this place has been managed, years prior to my arrival
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well if YOU are tobe beleived then you must have bred a "super mosquito2 ...one that packs its suitcase and travels around.....
wonder what car they prefer?
2 things oh gobby one first, IF the range had spread naturally there would have been a clear link of cases in states and counties between the origin and the last known cases....
second...if tommy's scenario is so implausible YOU suggest a means where by it has spread.
tommy isnt being stupid here at all.....
absent any other explanation for its spread, what tommy suggests is the simplest and most straightforward means of onward transmission
you have offered nopthing but c&p with no knowlege of your own behind it....
you have then used that in a distorted form...that is to say "this article supports me" when in fact it does nothing of the sort....
you have the comprehension skills of one of your chikens
you are NOT discussing the points raised
you ARE merely using this to attack everyone and anyone who disagres with you
NOW lets see IF you can refute what tommy says in any sensible and scientific sense, using those reports as PROPER references, and showing HOW they refute Tommys points, which i paraphrase once again for you in a simple format
1) what evidence is there to show that the zika virus does NOT produce symptomless "sub clinical infection" or at worse a mild "flu like" illness, easily ignored.
2) what evidence is there that utterly refutes the possibility that person "A" went to an infected zone, aquired such an infection then returned as an unknown/unaware carrier
3) what evidence is there that the local mosquitos CANNOT carry such an infection and or what absolute proof is there that the relevant species is NOT present in the newly infected areas.
4)For any other form of transmission, ( the mosquito being carried via transport means) you will have to show that there is present in the newly affected zones, a "resevoir" of infection , most likely in some local animal population...please show such a presence....
OTHERWISE .....you are now doing on THIS thread what Tommy does on global warming threads...
YOUR hypothesis does NOT withstand scrutiny.....
on this occaision Tommy's does..It is the simplest, and most common form of onward transmission known and applying "occam's razor" AND the test that..."when all other possibilities have been discounted, what is left, no matter how unlikely, is clearly the facts of the matter" tommy is more likely to be right than YOU....
I have asked you...now I'm telling you ...change your tune You owe nicko an appology...and I think you now owe tommy one...
I dont expect it.... the amount of unnecessary that spews daily from your gob, is enough to make anyone
wonder what car they prefer?
2 things oh gobby one first, IF the range had spread naturally there would have been a clear link of cases in states and counties between the origin and the last known cases....
second...if tommy's scenario is so implausible YOU suggest a means where by it has spread.
tommy isnt being stupid here at all.....
absent any other explanation for its spread, what tommy suggests is the simplest and most straightforward means of onward transmission
you have offered nopthing but c&p with no knowlege of your own behind it....
you have then used that in a distorted form...that is to say "this article supports me" when in fact it does nothing of the sort....
you have the comprehension skills of one of your chikens
you are NOT discussing the points raised
you ARE merely using this to attack everyone and anyone who disagres with you
NOW lets see IF you can refute what tommy says in any sensible and scientific sense, using those reports as PROPER references, and showing HOW they refute Tommys points, which i paraphrase once again for you in a simple format
1) what evidence is there to show that the zika virus does NOT produce symptomless "sub clinical infection" or at worse a mild "flu like" illness, easily ignored.
2) what evidence is there that utterly refutes the possibility that person "A" went to an infected zone, aquired such an infection then returned as an unknown/unaware carrier
3) what evidence is there that the local mosquitos CANNOT carry such an infection and or what absolute proof is there that the relevant species is NOT present in the newly infected areas.
4)For any other form of transmission, ( the mosquito being carried via transport means) you will have to show that there is present in the newly affected zones, a "resevoir" of infection , most likely in some local animal population...please show such a presence....
OTHERWISE .....you are now doing on THIS thread what Tommy does on global warming threads...
YOUR hypothesis does NOT withstand scrutiny.....
on this occaision Tommy's does..It is the simplest, and most common form of onward transmission known and applying "occam's razor" AND the test that..."when all other possibilities have been discounted, what is left, no matter how unlikely, is clearly the facts of the matter" tommy is more likely to be right than YOU....
I have asked you...now I'm telling you ...change your tune You owe nicko an appology...and I think you now owe tommy one...
I dont expect it.... the amount of unnecessary that spews daily from your gob, is enough to make anyone
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Well, seems to me that it's not 4Ever with the big gob after that ludicrous post.
The articles stated specifically that the people concerned had not travelled or been in sexual contact with anyone that had travelled. Now, would you like to post the scientific study that says mosquitoes can get Zika from people?
Quite honestly your harrassment of 4Ever is getting beyond a joke and should not be tolerated, especially from a mod.
The articles stated specifically that the people concerned had not travelled or been in sexual contact with anyone that had travelled. Now, would you like to post the scientific study that says mosquitoes can get Zika from people?
Quite honestly your harrassment of 4Ever is getting beyond a joke and should not be tolerated, especially from a mod.
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Poor - Poor FOUL ONE as per your immature - reverting to you usual bullying form of debate ...none of this topic has anything to do with MY HOBBIES - MY AGE - MY NEED TO BE RIGHT.
The articles & the CDC speak for themselves; your blindly taking the opposition because of your consistent personality BURR UP THE WHOOZOOO regarding 'ME' is as it's always been! BS and your own childish opinion, and once again - you've ignored the goading/derailing from others to pull on your SIZE 15 COMBAT BOOTS and wage a asinine verbal war on me.
I can't FAKE THE FACTS, and I've supplied many to the Village Idiot and he's still repeating them wrong; Fine - I gave up and put his ignorant trolling arse on ignore and yet his side-kick Nicko is still hammering away at something that has NOT ONE POINT TO DO WITH THIS ENTIRE ISSUE - NADA and your completely ignore him - even though Eddied told us both to STOP!
First Post regarding the Zika virus found in Florida:
The link - the attached article - the scary reasons for why this was such an anomaly and my POV about the entire progressive mess.
Then Village Idiot's post and his continued diatribes about: "why are you making this about the mosquito's - when I'm more concerned about the people bringing it back with them"
I've asked you twice now - LF; what specific type of mosquito is the Zika carrier and you've ducked - you've dodged - you've ranted and you just can't seem to find that answer and it's in EVERY F'N ARTICLE - EVERY SIMPLIFIED IMAGE THAT I'VE GIVEN THE VILLAGE IDIOT TO ANSWER HIS REDUNDANT DAM QUESTIONS.
And you can't even figure it out! Give it up and walk away; this is just far to complex for someone with such a f'd up - locked mindset and you've proven your quite limited in RATIONAL THOUGHT - PERIOD! When and if I ever need to call in a rabid pit-pull to just unleash the hounds of hell ...you'd be the first choice.
Thinking and logical thought process just isn't in your DNA!
BTW - I've answered Nicko 3 times and he's just beyond grasping that he's posted some gobsmacked BS at me and I've shown him his own quotes - I've suggest he return to his own posting archive and do some reading and you now dictate that I'm owe him an apology --- YOU ARE ONE CLUELESS CHUMP WITH HUGE COMBAT BOOTS BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!
But it does make you a f'd up moderator with a ability to play favorites and you do that quite often too.
The articles & the CDC speak for themselves; your blindly taking the opposition because of your consistent personality BURR UP THE WHOOZOOO regarding 'ME' is as it's always been! BS and your own childish opinion, and once again - you've ignored the goading/derailing from others to pull on your SIZE 15 COMBAT BOOTS and wage a asinine verbal war on me.
I can't FAKE THE FACTS, and I've supplied many to the Village Idiot and he's still repeating them wrong; Fine - I gave up and put his ignorant trolling arse on ignore and yet his side-kick Nicko is still hammering away at something that has NOT ONE POINT TO DO WITH THIS ENTIRE ISSUE - NADA and your completely ignore him - even though Eddied told us both to STOP!
First Post regarding the Zika virus found in Florida:
The link - the attached article - the scary reasons for why this was such an anomaly and my POV about the entire progressive mess.
Then Village Idiot's post and his continued diatribes about: "why are you making this about the mosquito's - when I'm more concerned about the people bringing it back with them"
I've asked you twice now - LF; what specific type of mosquito is the Zika carrier and you've ducked - you've dodged - you've ranted and you just can't seem to find that answer and it's in EVERY F'N ARTICLE - EVERY SIMPLIFIED IMAGE THAT I'VE GIVEN THE VILLAGE IDIOT TO ANSWER HIS REDUNDANT DAM QUESTIONS.
And you can't even figure it out! Give it up and walk away; this is just far to complex for someone with such a f'd up - locked mindset and you've proven your quite limited in RATIONAL THOUGHT - PERIOD! When and if I ever need to call in a rabid pit-pull to just unleash the hounds of hell ...you'd be the first choice.
Thinking and logical thought process just isn't in your DNA!
BTW - I've answered Nicko 3 times and he's just beyond grasping that he's posted some gobsmacked BS at me and I've shown him his own quotes - I've suggest he return to his own posting archive and do some reading and you now dictate that I'm owe him an apology --- YOU ARE ONE CLUELESS CHUMP WITH HUGE COMBAT BOOTS BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!
But it does make you a f'd up moderator with a ability to play favorites and you do that quite often too.
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Well, if the simple minded could think through their huge EGO's and figure that out ...that the hundreds of types of mosquito's ARE NOT THE EXACT TYPE THAT CAN CARRY/BREED the ZIKA virus ...then the CDC and the many types of mosquitos attacking all of those humans in all of those specific regions would ALL BE DOOMED FOR THE ZIKA VIRUS.sassy wrote:Well, seems to me that it's not 4Ever with the big gob after that ludicrous post.
The articles stated specifically that the people concerned had not travelled or been in sexual contact with anyone that had travelled. Now, would you like to post the scientific study that says mosquitoes can get Zika from people?
Quite honestly your harrassment of 4Ever is getting beyond a joke and should not be tolerated, especially from a mod.
But nooooo, this is just a EGO driven issue an the thinking stopped long ago!
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sassy wrote:Well, seems to me that it's not 4Ever with the big gob after that ludicrous post.
The articles stated specifically that the people concerned had not travelled or been in sexual contact with anyone that had travelled.
have you been bitten by the "stupid bug " as well....
HOW the HELL do youn think the mosquito carries the virus from person to person??????????????????
mosquito bites carrier "A" then bites person "B" who then gets the virus from "A" via mosquito
just like using a needle infected with HIV from a previous user...DOH...in your haste to excuse your special friend , you just descended into the depths of moronicus
Now, would you like to post the scientific study that says mosquitoes can get Zika from people?
"Zika is primarily spread by the female Aedes aegypti mosquito, which is active mostly in the daytime, although researchers have found the virus in common Culex house mosquitoes as well.[30] The mosquitos must feed on blood in order to lay eggs.[31]:2 The virus has also been isolated from a number of arboreal mosquito species in the Aedes genus, such as A. africanus, A. apicoargenteus, A. furcifer, A. hensilli, A. luteocephalus and A. vittatus, with an extrinsic incubation period in mosquitoes of about 10 days.[21]
The true extent of the vectors is still unknown. Zika has been detected in many more species of Aedes, along with Anopheles coustani, Mansonia uniformis, and Culex perfuscus, although this alone does not incriminate them as a vector.[32]
Transmission by A. albopictus, the tiger mosquito, was reported from a 2007 urban outbreak in Gabon where it had newly invaded the country and become the primary vector for the concomitant chikungunya and dengue virus outbreaks.[33] There is concern for autochthonous infections in urban areas of European countries infested by A. albopictus because the first two cases of laboratory-confirmed Zika infections imported into Italy were reported from viremic travelers returning from French Polynesia.[34]
The potential societal risk of Zika can be delimited by the distribution of the mosquito species that transmit it. The global distribution of the most cited carrier of Zika, A. aegypti, is expanding due to global trade and travel.[35] A. aegypti distribution is now the most extensive ever recorded – across all continents including North America and even the European periphery (Madeira, the Netherlands, and the northeastern Black Sea coast).[36] A mosquito population capable of carrying Zika has been found in a Capitol Hill neighborhood of Washington, D. C., and genetic evidence suggests they survived at least four consecutive winters in the region. The study authors conclude that mosquitos are adapting for persistence in a northern climate.[37] The Zika virus appears to be contagious via mosquitoes for around a week after infection. The virus is thought to be infectious for a longer period of time after infection (2 weeks) when transmitted via semen.[38][39]
Since 2015, news reports have drawn attention to the spread of Zika in Latin America and the Caribbean.[40] The countries and territories that have been identified by the Pan American Health Organisation as having experienced "local Zika virus transmission" are Barbados, Bolivia, Brazil, Co
and
Pathogenesis
Zika virus replicates in the mosquito's midgut epithelial cells and then its salivary gland cells. After 5–10 days, the virus can be found in the mosquito’s saliva, which can then infect humans. If the mosquito’s saliva is inoculated into human skin, the virus can infect epidermal keratinocytes, skin fibroblasts in the skin and the Langerhans cells. The pathogenesis of the virus is hypothesized to continue with a spread to lymph nodes and the bloodstream.[18][59] Flaviviruses generally replicate in the cytoplasm, but Zika antigens have been found in infected cell nuclei.[60]
Quite honestly your harrassment of 4Ever is getting beyond a joke and should not be tolerated, especially from a mod.
SO...I suggest YOU stop defending 4ever...especially when she is in the wrong....
AND
I suggest you stop spouting garbage and listen to people (and in this case I mean ME...who know a LOT more about this kind of thing (epidemiology) than YOU do...
(you seem to have forgotten my background in this area....)
the above quotes from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zika_virus
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4EVER2 wrote:Well, if the simple minded could think through their huge EGO's and figure that out ...that the hundreds of types of mosquito's ARE NOT THE EXACT TYPE THAT CAN CARRY/BREED the ZIKA virus ...then the CDC and the many types of mosquitos attacking all of those humans in all of those specific regions would ALL BE DOOMED FOR THE ZIKA VIRUS.sassy wrote:Well, seems to me that it's not 4Ever with the big gob after that ludicrous post.
The articles stated specifically that the people concerned had not travelled or been in sexual contact with anyone that had travelled. Now, would you like to post the scientific study that says mosquitoes can get Zika from people?
Quite honestly your harrassment of 4Ever is getting beyond a joke and should not be tolerated, especially from a mod.
But nooooo, this is just a EGO driven issue an the thinking stopped long ago!
I suggest that you two morons read the post I just made...CAREFULLY
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I would suggest that the issue is FAR MORE seious than your "CDC" make out...for obvious reasons....
and that THERE IS NOT merely ONE specific vector (species to you) of mosquito.
abscence of evidence IS NOT (and MOST certainly under these circumstances) evidence of abscence....
and that THERE IS NOT merely ONE specific vector (species to you) of mosquito.
abscence of evidence IS NOT (and MOST certainly under these circumstances) evidence of abscence....
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So in light of the above...would you BOTH care to appologise especially to tommy
but also to me
but also to me
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tum tee tum.....
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Well, that's encouraging that you've at least made a feeble attempt to do SOME research ...and yet your single source has these disclaimers that even your LORD SO FOUL need to be aware of >
BRAVO ...that was valid POV from what the research was for the science printed up and studied since 1947 era!
Do you not consider that the CDC and all of the logical/medical reasons for their publications stating this is a rapidly spreading virus that we seem to be unable to CAP --- is from the frantic laboratory studies they are doing 24/7? Naaaa, that's just been blown clear out of your basic thought process, due to your hyped up hysteria!
And that's a real rhetorical question sense this isn't about the TOPIC at all but your irrational/obsessive need to stomp me into submission because Tommykins & Nicko have now whined you into some knee jerk reaction even when it's absolutely so off topic, to be ludicrous
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BRAVO ...that was valid POV from what the research was for the science printed up and studied since 1947 era!
Do you not consider that the CDC and all of the logical/medical reasons for their publications stating this is a rapidly spreading virus that we seem to be unable to CAP --- is from the frantic laboratory studies they are doing 24/7? Naaaa, that's just been blown clear out of your basic thought process, due to your hyped up hysteria!
And that's a real rhetorical question sense this isn't about the TOPIC at all but your irrational/obsessive need to stomp me into submission because Tommykins & Nicko have now whined you into some knee jerk reaction even when it's absolutely so off topic, to be ludicrous
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and you dont think that the CD has "reasons" for its low key approach???
what I posted is in no way changed by your CDC's findings...indeed, given its past record, I wouldnt hold it up as the beacon of absolute truth.....Oh it speaks the truth,,,,it may even speak nothing but the truth...it doesnt however have a good record for speaking the WHOLE of the truth...(nor does any other govt body)
they tell you what they think you NEED to know., and pretend ignorance of the rest...
there is proof a plenty that "The true extent of the vectors is still unknown. Zika has been detected in many more species of Aedes, along with Anopheles coustani, Mansonia uniformis, and Culex perfuscus," and given the above, the possibility that culex is a vector is worrying.....
NOW...I'm going to explain something....
argue the points all you want....BUT QUIT THE ATTITUDE...ok?
I'm afraid your pathetic excuse of "a sarky snarky humour" is wearing thin..It is just an excuse for social incompetance......and is not going to continue to be tolerated....
what I posted is in no way changed by your CDC's findings...indeed, given its past record, I wouldnt hold it up as the beacon of absolute truth.....Oh it speaks the truth,,,,it may even speak nothing but the truth...it doesnt however have a good record for speaking the WHOLE of the truth...(nor does any other govt body)
they tell you what they think you NEED to know., and pretend ignorance of the rest...
there is proof a plenty that "The true extent of the vectors is still unknown. Zika has been detected in many more species of Aedes, along with Anopheles coustani, Mansonia uniformis, and Culex perfuscus," and given the above, the possibility that culex is a vector is worrying.....
NOW...I'm going to explain something....
argue the points all you want....BUT QUIT THE ATTITUDE...ok?
I'm afraid your pathetic excuse of "a sarky snarky humour" is wearing thin..It is just an excuse for social incompetance......and is not going to continue to be tolerated....
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Odd, how you've missed the many ARTICLES about the CDC's being very pissed off about the hold up for their funding request in Congress ...but I completely understand. Being able to read the entire thread {minus the BS ranting derailing's} seems to allow the allusion that you do indeed read the entire thread!
Low KEY my Arse!
BTW - my snarky - attitude is as it's always been; you can take it or leave it - you can't moderate members humor bones and if you want to start that type of 'COMBAT CONTROL' Herr Foul ...the be sure to spread your non-biased moderation around this forum equally; THERE WILL BE NO MORE HUMOR EXPRESSED UNLESS IT FALLS FROM HERR FOULS OWN FINGERS ONTO THIS COMMUNITY!
You need to get a grip or a pin prick to that HUGE ego you've self-inflated.
Low KEY my Arse!
BTW - my snarky - attitude is as it's always been; you can take it or leave it - you can't moderate members humor bones and if you want to start that type of 'COMBAT CONTROL' Herr Foul ...the be sure to spread your non-biased moderation around this forum equally; THERE WILL BE NO MORE HUMOR EXPRESSED UNLESS IT FALLS FROM HERR FOULS OWN FINGERS ONTO THIS COMMUNITY!
You need to get a grip or a pin prick to that HUGE ego you've self-inflated.
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AND you STILL....havnt given any explanation for this mysterious spread of the virus that holds water.....
dont tell me ...the mosquito fairy is to blame....
no? then ...short of some as yet unkown means.....what is the MOST plausible way for it to have spread???
there is ONLY ONE other possibility, which in and of itself is as far out there as any other .....and THAT is that some other resevoir exists...such as a species of mammal which can also host the virus has travelled...
but then you have to explain how the virus is being transmitted locally...by what mosquito ...????
which leaves us where we were...
OBVIOUSLY (regardless of what te CDC say....) there is a species of mosquito which can act as a vector, present in these newly infected areas....
(or that the virus has "jumped (in this case mosquito) species, which is not unkown (think flu virus)
which even then leads back to the same conclusion.....we now have a virus capable of being spread by the local mosquitos)
The plain facts are that the CDC DONT KNOW...and they aint about to admit it...
the REALITY is that clearly and obviously there is a vector capable of spreading the virus and common sense and "the simplest explanation" is that there is NOT in fact merely ONE SPECIFIC species capable of doing so....
dont tell me ...the mosquito fairy is to blame....
no? then ...short of some as yet unkown means.....what is the MOST plausible way for it to have spread???
there is ONLY ONE other possibility, which in and of itself is as far out there as any other .....and THAT is that some other resevoir exists...such as a species of mammal which can also host the virus has travelled...
but then you have to explain how the virus is being transmitted locally...by what mosquito ...????
which leaves us where we were...
OBVIOUSLY (regardless of what te CDC say....) there is a species of mosquito which can act as a vector, present in these newly infected areas....
(or that the virus has "jumped (in this case mosquito) species, which is not unkown (think flu virus)
which even then leads back to the same conclusion.....we now have a virus capable of being spread by the local mosquitos)
The plain facts are that the CDC DONT KNOW...and they aint about to admit it...
the REALITY is that clearly and obviously there is a vector capable of spreading the virus and common sense and "the simplest explanation" is that there is NOT in fact merely ONE SPECIFIC species capable of doing so....
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4EVER2 wrote:Odd, how you've missed the many ARTICLES about the CDC's being very pissed off about the hold up for their funding request in Congress ...but I completely understand. Being able to read the entire thread {minus the BS ranting derailing's} seems to allow the allusion that you do indeed read the entire thread!
Low KEY my Arse!
BTW - my snarky - attitude is as it's always been; you can take it or leave it - you can't moderate members humor bones and if you want to start that type of 'COMBAT CONTROL' Herr Foul ...the be sure to spread your non-biased moderation around this forum equally; THERE WILL BE NO MORE HUMOR EXPRESSED UNLESS IT FALLS FROM HERR FOULS OWN FINGERS ONTO THIS COMMUNITY!
You need to get a grip or a pin prick to that HUGE ego you've self-inflated.
how about you argue the points rather than indulge your "humour"
that last post did nothing to adress the points I have made....
but then thats to be expected from someone with NO KNOWLEGE of the issues involved, and who merely gets their info from the front page of whatever rag they buy....
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oh and YOU are the only member who hides there arsey attitude behind a pretended humour...
everyone else openly admits its "them"
so no ...not humour...just the rantings of a tiresome and foul tempered old woman
everyone else openly admits its "them"
so no ...not humour...just the rantings of a tiresome and foul tempered old woman
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4EVER2 wrote:Handy Andy wrote:Unless Trump imported them in a bid to destabilise the Democrats
Well, I'm not much for a 'wing-nut' conspiracy theory analysis ...but that's been questioned on another community
How hard would it be to capture those breeding mosquitos, say in the Rio region - transport them into an area {like the USA} and release those little untraceable virus carriers into that perfect breeding rich environment just for shits & grins?
Shit, forget germ warfare/chemical warfare/nuclear bombs - this is the cheapest/easiest way to invade a country and create chaos and deplete the human breeding stock known to mankind.
We still have ZERO clues if there's any way to inoculate humanity from this virus - how long it lives within our bodies - yes, it causes major birth defects but what actual impact does it have on a child/teenager/adult - men vs women react differently to certain blood viruses too!
So many questions and our government is playing games with the funding!
Gee, whiz ...your 'johnny come lately' to this topic; tsk-tsk-tsk ...and you've missed out on so much discussion and so many good verbal exchanges between the adults that enjoyed the POINTS and not the immature rants. But had you REALLY read the entire thread ...well
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Lord Foul wrote:oh and YOU are the only member who hides there arsey attitude behind a pretended humour...
everyone else openly admits its "them"
so no ...not humour...just the rantings of a tiresome and foul tempered old woman
Oh, dear ...you've forgotten to drag my chickens into your little diddy; do you have a jingle that goes along with your song & dance?
Seems you been harping that same tune for quite some months now!
Makes me feel quite soooo special, the way you dole out your OCD attention to me and ignore your 'parachute club'!
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Lord Foul wrote:oh and YOU are the only member who hides there arsey attitude behind a pretended humour...
everyone else openly admits its "them"
so no ...not humour...just the rantings of a tiresome and foul tempered old woman
Well, let's say one at least is as disgusting as they can be, rants and raves, then crawls, then thinks he's the best poster (obviously psychology was lost on him) and then starts all over again, but seems to have turned you into a lap dog.
I'm ashamed of you Vic, really I am, your open dislike is supposed to be ok and your abuse of 4Ever just about every day is sickening when you are hiding behind your mod status. What the fuck is the matter with you.
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I dont mind tommy being mashed when he's wrong.....
I DO however mind when he's attacked for being quite right........what he is saying in this thread is quite within the realms of possibility and is in fact one of the more likely scenarios....
@4ever
that piece of tin hat stuff would require that those particular mosquitos, maliciously imported, could set up a breeding colony
moreover it would require the importation of a large number ...released over a large area....
and in order to be self sustaining would require that the species was able to live in the environment on an ongoing basis..... (or alternatively that there was another species that could ALSO act as a vector... )
given the fact (mentioned somewhere herein) that they have a range of only around 150 meters from their "birthplace" makes this unlikely especially since this current outbreak seems self sustaining, which requires a considerable pool of carriers AND vectors.
you have ZERO idea of what is being discussed (or at least the "mechanics" thereof)
i didnt mention your chickens again since I dont wish to impune the only form of intelligent life in your immediate vicinity
I DO however mind when he's attacked for being quite right........what he is saying in this thread is quite within the realms of possibility and is in fact one of the more likely scenarios....
@4ever
that piece of tin hat stuff would require that those particular mosquitos, maliciously imported, could set up a breeding colony
moreover it would require the importation of a large number ...released over a large area....
and in order to be self sustaining would require that the species was able to live in the environment on an ongoing basis..... (or alternatively that there was another species that could ALSO act as a vector... )
given the fact (mentioned somewhere herein) that they have a range of only around 150 meters from their "birthplace" makes this unlikely especially since this current outbreak seems self sustaining, which requires a considerable pool of carriers AND vectors.
you have ZERO idea of what is being discussed (or at least the "mechanics" thereof)
i didnt mention your chickens again since I dont wish to impune the only form of intelligent life in your immediate vicinity
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sassy wrote:Lord Foul wrote:oh and YOU are the only member who hides there arsey attitude behind a pretended humour...
everyone else openly admits its "them"
so no ...not humour...just the rantings of a tiresome and foul tempered old woman
Well, let's say one at least is as disgusting as they can be, rants and raves, then crawls, then thinks he's the best poster (obviously psychology was lost on him) and then starts all over again, but seems to have turned you into a lap dog.
I'm ashamed of you Vic, really I am, your open dislike is supposed to be ok and your abuse of 4Ever just about every day is sickening when you are hiding behind your mod status. What the fuck is the matter with you.
since I have hardly posted to 4 ever for quite a while........I'll treat that for the contemptuous shit stirring it is.......
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MORE TO THE POINT
What are the risks regarding the Rio Olympics and Paralympics?
The Rio 2016 Olympics (5–21 August 2016) and the Paralympics Games (7–18 September 2016) will take place during Brazil’s winter. The cooler, drier weather will reduce mosquito populations and significantly lower the risk of infection for visitors. Although the probability of being bitten by an infected mosquito is expected to be low during the events, the risk of infection cannot be excluded. Travellers may become infected and then return to regions of the EU where Aedes vectors are active. ECDC is continuously monitoring the situation regarding the Olympic and Paralympic games.
- See more at: http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/zika_virus_infection/zika-outbreak/Pages/Frequently-Asked-Questions.aspx#sthash.cDiigaub.dpuf
of course...Tommy cant be right can he???? then again????
from http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/zika_virus_infection/zika-outbreak/Pages/Frequently-Asked-Questions.aspx
The EUROPEAN "CDC"
What are the risks regarding the Rio Olympics and Paralympics?
The Rio 2016 Olympics (5–21 August 2016) and the Paralympics Games (7–18 September 2016) will take place during Brazil’s winter. The cooler, drier weather will reduce mosquito populations and significantly lower the risk of infection for visitors. Although the probability of being bitten by an infected mosquito is expected to be low during the events, the risk of infection cannot be excluded. Travellers may become infected and then return to regions of the EU where Aedes vectors are active. ECDC is continuously monitoring the situation regarding the Olympic and Paralympic games.
- See more at: http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/zika_virus_infection/zika-outbreak/Pages/Frequently-Asked-Questions.aspx#sthash.cDiigaub.dpuf
of course...Tommy cant be right can he???? then again????
from http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/zika_virus_infection/zika-outbreak/Pages/Frequently-Asked-Questions.aspx
The EUROPEAN "CDC"
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and
All samples from Cx. pipiens mosquitoes and all replicates were negative for Zika virus by plaque assay (Table). In contrast, Ae. triseriatus mosquitoes were susceptible to infection when exposed to mice with the highest viremia concentrations (Table). However, none of these infected mosquitoes disseminated virus and none were capable of transmitting the virus. Data from Ae. albopictus and Ae. aegypti mosquitoes that had been exposed to the same mice demonstrated that the viremia concentrations used could productively infect mosquitoes. Of note, Ae. albopictus mosquito infection rates were dose dependent (i.e., infection rates increased with blood meal titer). Furthermore, data generated from exposure to the same mice demonstrated productive mosquito infection with these viremia concentrations (4). It therefore seems likely that if Zika virus circulation in the United States occurs, it will be driven by Ae. albopictus or Ae. aegypti mosquitoes (6). However, we cannot rule out that anthropophilic mosquitoes of other species in this country could be competent vectors.
from
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/22/10/16-1082_article
from your own CDC
All samples from Cx. pipiens mosquitoes and all replicates were negative for Zika virus by plaque assay (Table). In contrast, Ae. triseriatus mosquitoes were susceptible to infection when exposed to mice with the highest viremia concentrations (Table). However, none of these infected mosquitoes disseminated virus and none were capable of transmitting the virus. Data from Ae. albopictus and Ae. aegypti mosquitoes that had been exposed to the same mice demonstrated that the viremia concentrations used could productively infect mosquitoes. Of note, Ae. albopictus mosquito infection rates were dose dependent (i.e., infection rates increased with blood meal titer). Furthermore, data generated from exposure to the same mice demonstrated productive mosquito infection with these viremia concentrations (4). It therefore seems likely that if Zika virus circulation in the United States occurs, it will be driven by Ae. albopictus or Ae. aegypti mosquitoes (6). However, we cannot rule out that anthropophilic mosquitoes of other species in this country could be competent vectors.
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http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/22/10/16-1082_article
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and of course its all "tommy rot2 (sorry tommy)
Life | Thu Mar 3, 2016 4:08pm EST
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Related: Health, Brazil
Research indicates another common mosquito may be able to carry Zika
RIO DE JANEIRO | By Paulo Prada
Research by scientists in Brazil indicates that a mosquito more common than the one primarily known to transmit Zika infections may possibly be able to carry the virus, a development that could further complicate efforts to limit its spread.
The mosquito species Aedes aegypti has been identified as the main transmitter of Zika infections, which have been linked to thousands of birth defects as the virus spreads rapidly in Brazil and other countries in Latin America and the Caribbean.
But the scientists in Brazil announced on Wednesday that they were able to infect another species, Culex quinquefasciatus, with the virus in a laboratory, raising concerns that Zika could be carried by a species more prevalent than Aedes aegypti. They said much more research is needed to learn whether the Culex mosquitoes can transmit Zika infections.
In Brazil, Culex quinquefasciatus is 20 times more common than Aedes aegypti, the researchers said.
The research, conducted by scientists at the government-funded Oswaldo Cruz Foundation in the northeastern city of Recife, is part of an ongoing trial in which researchers injected 200 of the Culex quinquefasciatus mosquitoes with rabbit blood infected by Zika.
The virus, they said, circulated through the mosquitoes' bodies and into their salivary glands, meaning they might be able to transmit a Zika infection by biting a person.
"We saw an ease of infection and an ease of dissemination of the virus to the salivary glands," Constancia Ayres, the lead scientist in the study, told Globo, Brazil's leading television network.
Public health authorities have cited Aedes aegypti as the mosquito overwhelming responsible for spreading Zika, with another species of the same genus, Aedes albopictus, also transmitting the virus in smaller numbers.
There has been evidence about other mosquitoes linked to Zika. For example, researchers have found more than 20 mosquito species carrying the virus in Africa, although it was unclear whether they all transmit the disease effectively to humans.
MOSQUITOES IN THE WILD
The Brazilian research has yet to be published in a scientific journal or reviewed by scientific peers elsewhere.
The foundation said more work was needed to determine whether Culex mosquitoes in the wild already are carrying the virus as well as whether they can transmit Zika infections.
Foundation spokeswoman Fabiola Tavares on Thursday said the researchers, who will begin capturing Culex mosquitoes in areas near Recife where the virus is known to be circulating, will now proceed toward answering those questions. The additional research could take up to eight months, Tavares added.
If a mosquito besides Aedes aegypti were found to transmit Zika infections in large numbers, it could make it more difficult to contain the current Zika outbreak that the World Health Organization last month declared a global public health emergency.
Much remains unknown about Zika, including whether the virus actually causes microcephaly in babies, a condition defined by unusually small heads that can result in developmental problems.
Brazil said it has confirmed more than 640 cases of microcephaly, and considers most of them to be related to Zika infections in the mothers. Brazil is investigating more than 4,200 additional suspected cases of microcephaly.
Traces of Zika virus have been found in the bodily fluids and tissue of mothers and babies affected by microcephaly.
Culex quinquefasciatus also exists in more temperate climes, such as the southern United States, where it is known to carry the West Nile virus, and can survive winters. Unlike Aedes aegypti, Culex quinquefasciatus could keep a virus in circulation during cold months.
Though the Culex mosquitoes prefer to feed on the blood of birds, they also commonly bite humans, especially in rural areas. That means that targeted pesticide use and other mosquito control efforts for that species, which rests in trees and other high areas, would need to be different from those for Aedes aegypti, which rests in low spots, often indoors.
"You can't spray up high the way you can around buildings," said Grayson Brown, director of the University of Kentucky's public health entomology laboratory who was not involved in the Oswaldo Cruz Foundation research.
If Culex mosquitoes were indeed proven to transmit Zika, Brown said, "it would really complicate the public health issue."
(Reporting by Paulo Prada; Additional reporting by Ben Hirschler in London; Editing by Will Dunham)
FROM..... http://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-zika-brazil-idUSKCN0W52AW
Life | Thu Mar 3, 2016 4:08pm EST
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Research indicates another common mosquito may be able to carry Zika
RIO DE JANEIRO | By Paulo Prada
Research by scientists in Brazil indicates that a mosquito more common than the one primarily known to transmit Zika infections may possibly be able to carry the virus, a development that could further complicate efforts to limit its spread.
The mosquito species Aedes aegypti has been identified as the main transmitter of Zika infections, which have been linked to thousands of birth defects as the virus spreads rapidly in Brazil and other countries in Latin America and the Caribbean.
But the scientists in Brazil announced on Wednesday that they were able to infect another species, Culex quinquefasciatus, with the virus in a laboratory, raising concerns that Zika could be carried by a species more prevalent than Aedes aegypti. They said much more research is needed to learn whether the Culex mosquitoes can transmit Zika infections.
In Brazil, Culex quinquefasciatus is 20 times more common than Aedes aegypti, the researchers said.
The research, conducted by scientists at the government-funded Oswaldo Cruz Foundation in the northeastern city of Recife, is part of an ongoing trial in which researchers injected 200 of the Culex quinquefasciatus mosquitoes with rabbit blood infected by Zika.
The virus, they said, circulated through the mosquitoes' bodies and into their salivary glands, meaning they might be able to transmit a Zika infection by biting a person.
"We saw an ease of infection and an ease of dissemination of the virus to the salivary glands," Constancia Ayres, the lead scientist in the study, told Globo, Brazil's leading television network.
Public health authorities have cited Aedes aegypti as the mosquito overwhelming responsible for spreading Zika, with another species of the same genus, Aedes albopictus, also transmitting the virus in smaller numbers.
There has been evidence about other mosquitoes linked to Zika. For example, researchers have found more than 20 mosquito species carrying the virus in Africa, although it was unclear whether they all transmit the disease effectively to humans.
MOSQUITOES IN THE WILD
The Brazilian research has yet to be published in a scientific journal or reviewed by scientific peers elsewhere.
The foundation said more work was needed to determine whether Culex mosquitoes in the wild already are carrying the virus as well as whether they can transmit Zika infections.
Foundation spokeswoman Fabiola Tavares on Thursday said the researchers, who will begin capturing Culex mosquitoes in areas near Recife where the virus is known to be circulating, will now proceed toward answering those questions. The additional research could take up to eight months, Tavares added.
If a mosquito besides Aedes aegypti were found to transmit Zika infections in large numbers, it could make it more difficult to contain the current Zika outbreak that the World Health Organization last month declared a global public health emergency.
Much remains unknown about Zika, including whether the virus actually causes microcephaly in babies, a condition defined by unusually small heads that can result in developmental problems.
Brazil said it has confirmed more than 640 cases of microcephaly, and considers most of them to be related to Zika infections in the mothers. Brazil is investigating more than 4,200 additional suspected cases of microcephaly.
Traces of Zika virus have been found in the bodily fluids and tissue of mothers and babies affected by microcephaly.
Culex quinquefasciatus also exists in more temperate climes, such as the southern United States, where it is known to carry the West Nile virus, and can survive winters. Unlike Aedes aegypti, Culex quinquefasciatus could keep a virus in circulation during cold months.
Though the Culex mosquitoes prefer to feed on the blood of birds, they also commonly bite humans, especially in rural areas. That means that targeted pesticide use and other mosquito control efforts for that species, which rests in trees and other high areas, would need to be different from those for Aedes aegypti, which rests in low spots, often indoors.
"You can't spray up high the way you can around buildings," said Grayson Brown, director of the University of Kentucky's public health entomology laboratory who was not involved in the Oswaldo Cruz Foundation research.
If Culex mosquitoes were indeed proven to transmit Zika, Brown said, "it would really complicate the public health issue."
(Reporting by Paulo Prada; Additional reporting by Ben Hirschler in London; Editing by Will Dunham)
FROM..... http://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-zika-brazil-idUSKCN0W52AW
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also of relevance (Aedes Aegypti) is present in britain
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hmmm...no comment on these factlets then.....
despite the point that they lend huge weight to the (increasingly likely) possibility that other species may be vectors (or that the virus could adapt to another vector...which amounts to the same thing) OR that the virus could be brought here by a symptomless carrier and spread by our own RESIDENT Aedes aegypti, let alone the alarming possibility that culex spp could also be a carrier...
despite the point that they lend huge weight to the (increasingly likely) possibility that other species may be vectors (or that the virus could adapt to another vector...which amounts to the same thing) OR that the virus could be brought here by a symptomless carrier and spread by our own RESIDENT Aedes aegypti, let alone the alarming possibility that culex spp could also be a carrier...
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sassy wrote:Well, seems to me that it's not 4Ever with the big gob after that ludicrous post.
The articles stated specifically that the people concerned had not travelled or been in sexual contact with anyone that had travelled. Now, would you like to post the scientific study that says mosquitoes can get Zika from people?
Quite honestly your harrassment of 4Ever is getting beyond a joke and should not be tolerated, especially from a mod.
This is the level of stupidity we are facing...!!!
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Gee whiz, golly shucks ...I'm so tickled that you've gone from a hammer/chest thumping Neanderthal to finally doing some actual reading and finding your own CDC links and research. Not that all of those aren't within my plethora of posts back up there; but I do fully understand your reluctance in wading through the 'Off Topic BS' that I've had to entertain just to keep this important topic flowing forward!
Was it a huge shock that {while you missed it in my other points and articles} that the Rio Olympics is going on during their 'WINTER CLIMATE'? Whew ~~~ makes the continual cycle of information a steady pot that swirls, not to dissimilar to the toilet bowl.
And as my standard 'regurgitated answers' have been to Tommykins: if you don't have SEX with anyone returning from the Olympics then you obviously won't have anything to worry about!
But that and all of the data/links/posts just kept being ignored and he just kept coming back for more and now you've picked up his Sword of Stupidity and seem to want to wail away at that 'Wind Mill Don Quixote'
And why am 'I' so fixated about this issue '?' > > >
And 'some' blood tests are not showing up as a TRUE POSITIVE test either!
Was it a huge shock that {while you missed it in my other points and articles} that the Rio Olympics is going on during their 'WINTER CLIMATE'? Whew ~~~ makes the continual cycle of information a steady pot that swirls, not to dissimilar to the toilet bowl.
And as my standard 'regurgitated answers' have been to Tommykins: if you don't have SEX with anyone returning from the Olympics then you obviously won't have anything to worry about!
But that and all of the data/links/posts just kept being ignored and he just kept coming back for more and now you've picked up his Sword of Stupidity and seem to want to wail away at that 'Wind Mill Don Quixote'
And why am 'I' so fixated about this issue '?' > > >
So far the basic UA {urine} test seems more accurate for the pregnant women who have contracted the Zika Virus ...but of the 14 now known cases in Florida there were nearly 9 that had no idea because they just never felt 'ill' or had any of the tell-tale-markers for the Zika Virus!More Zika in the United States Than Has Been Counted
New computer modeling suggests the virus has been underestimated by tens of thousands of cases.
Mosquito larvae are seen in Guangzhou, China, at the the world’s largest "mosquito factory." Bobby Yip / Reuters
Adrienne LaFrance Aug 3, 2016
Try as they might, public-health officials can’t really track the Zika virus in real time. There is inevitably a lag between how a disease spreads and when the public finds out about it.
Even in Miami, where new updates are being issued every weekday, there’s only so much officials know about how quickly and widely Zika is traveling through the population. Then there are the unknowns that are harder to pin down: How many cases of Zika are going uncounted? It turns out, that number may be enormous.
Researchers at Northeastern University say federal-health officials are likely vastly undercounting Zika in the United States. In a paper that’s still under review for journal publication, they describe computer modeling that suggests there were nearly 30,000 cases of travel-related Zika in the country in mid-June, about 25 times more cases than the 1,200 or so reported by the CDC at the time.
“Models can be only as good as the data they ingest.”
Researchers found the undercounting occurred in at least nine states: Florida, California, Texas, Georgia, Illinois, North Carolina, Ohio, Indiana, and Oregon.
“CDC is doing a great job, but it is really hard to detect cases,” said Alessandro Vespignani, one of the authors of the paper. The federal agency is faced with an exceedingly difficult task, in part because it is cobbling together data from various monitoring systems in different states and jurisdictions. The nature of the virus presents additional challenges, making it more complicated to track than other epidemics. “You have to ingest much more data and deal with another level of complexity as well as other sources of uncertainties,” Vespignani said.
Because Zika is transmitted by mosquitoes (as well as sexually spread between humans), researchers trying to model or predict its path have to take into consideration the presence of certain mosquito species, mosquito populations in different areas, that population’s variability with weather conditions, and so on. (Northeastern’s computer model does not take sexual transmission of Zika into consideration, even though it’s one of the ways the virus is transmitted.)
Vespignani and his colleagues also used their model to predict how Zika will continue to move through the Americas through the end of 2016, based on how it has spread globally since 2013. (They also took into account the rate of transmission of Dengue in various regions, since that virus has much in common with Zika.)
The modeling suggests that while the Zika epidemic has already peaked in Brazil, the number of cases is still growing rapidly in Puerto Rico, and will continue to climb well into the fall. And while the researchers say their findings should be interpreted cautiously, given the complexity of the modeling, they believe their projections offer important indications of “the magnitude and timing” of the epidemic as it progresses.
There are other computer-modeled predictions that could be useful—the estimated number of cases of Zika-related Microcephaly, a brain defect in which newborns have abnormally small heads, for example. But modeling such outcomes, especially when so much remains unknown about Zika, is difficult if not impossible without more robust clinical data. “Models can be only as good as the data they ingest,” Vespignani said.
For the CDC, good data may be the central challenge in tracking Zika. Because the agency only counts confirmed cases of the disease, and because people who catch Zika are usually asymptomatic, there are almost certainly a significant number of people who have had the virus without knowing it.
“Like the [Northeastern University] team, when we work on estimating components of the epidemic, we try to understand the dynamics of infection relative to the available information, always under the assumption that what we ‘see’ through surveillance is only the tip of the iceberg,” said Michael Johansson, a biologist in the CDC Division of Vector-Borne Diseases, in a statement provided to The Atlantic by a spokesman. “Many infections are asymptomatic, some are mild with symptoms that do not cause people to seek care, some cases are mistaken as other diseases, and then we get to the diagnostics which are also challenging.”
“All of those components contribute to many fewer cases being reported than the number of infections that actually occurs,” Johansson said.
What does all of this mean for people who just want to protect themselves from the virus? Zika should be taken as the serious threat to public health that officials have said it is. Though many cases of Zika are mild, scientists are just beginning to understand how devastating it can be—including among children and adults sickened by the disease, not just fetuses. In Utah, one man died from the virus. (And officials still don’t understand how a family member who cared for him contracted Zika.)
The CDC has clear guidelines on how people—particularly pregnant women—can protect themselves from the virus. Until scientists learn more about how Zika spreads and how it might be stopped, it’s important to understand it could be much more widespread than it appears.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/more-zika-than-anybody-thought/494201/
And 'some' blood tests are not showing up as a TRUE POSITIVE test either!
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Also... I posted a link earlier where a credible scientist claimed that the 'c type mossie' had been seen in lab tests to harbour and be able to transmit the virus.
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But 4ever... your blue picture says 'avoid mossie bites'...
And we all know that mossies can transmit the virus...
So why are you trying to pretend otherwise...!?
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4EVER2 wrote: Gee whiz, golly shucks ...I'm so tickled that you've gone from a hammer/chest thumping Neanderthal to finally doing some actual reading and finding your own CDC links and research. Not that all of those aren't within my plethora of posts back up there; but I do fully understand your reluctance in wading through the 'Off Topic BS' that I've had to entertain just to keep this important topic flowing forward!
Was it a huge shock that {while you missed it in my other points and articles} that the Rio Olympics is going on during their 'WINTER CLIMATE'? Whew ~~~ makes the continual cycle of information a steady pot that swirls, not to dissimilar to the toilet bowl.
ah so you are now trying to back track since I posted something up that you clearlky MISSED.....I didnt NEED to "find" all that stuff....I already knew it
as for the "winter" thing sure...it reduces...NOTE reduces NOT eleiminates the chances of infection from mossies...thats NOT of course to mention that some of those visiting RIO for the olympics may also avail themselves of some of its less salubrious entertainments.....and thus bring it hiome with them...
And as my standard 'regurgitated answers' have been to Tommykins: if you don't have SEX with anyone returning from the Olympics then you obviously won't have anything to worry about!
You STILL havnt actually taken on board what is being said have you??? The virus CAN be brought here by symptomless carriers...as the article you posted below suggests.....AND we DO have Aedes aegypti present here AND there is increasing evidence that our more common and widespread (and adventurous) culex spp is a potential carrier...
But that and all of the data/links/posts just kept being ignored and he just kept coming back for more and now you've picked up his Sword of Stupidity and seem to want to wail away at that 'Wind Mill Don Quixote'
was that necessary...shall I reply in kind?? Not to mention that you are wrong with all this....
And why am 'I' so fixated about this issue '?' > > >So far the basic UA {urine} test seems more accurate for the pregnant women who have contracted the Zika Virus ...but of the 14 now known cases in Florida there were nearly 9 that had no idea because they just never felt 'ill' or had any of the tell-tale-markers for the Zika Virus!More Zika in the United States Than Has Been Counted
New computer modeling suggests the virus has been underestimated by tens of thousands of cases.
Mosquito larvae are seen in Guangzhou, China, at the the world’s largest "mosquito factory." Bobby Yip / Reuters
Adrienne LaFrance Aug 3, 2016
Try as they might, public-health officials can’t really track the Zika virus in real time. There is inevitably a lag between how a disease spreads and when the public finds out about it.
Even in Miami, where new updates are being issued every weekday, there’s only so much officials know about how quickly and widely Zika is traveling through the population. Then there are the unknowns that are harder to pin down: How many cases of Zika are going uncounted? It turns out, that number may be enormous.
Researchers at Northeastern University say federal-health officials are likely vastly undercounting Zika in the United States. In a paper that’s still under review for journal publication, they describe computer modeling that suggests there were nearly 30,000 cases of travel-related Zika in the country in mid-June, about 25 times more cases than the 1,200 or so reported by the CDC at the time.
“Models can be only as good as the data they ingest.”
Researchers found the undercounting occurred in at least nine states: Florida, California, Texas, Georgia, Illinois, North Carolina, Ohio, Indiana, and Oregon.
“CDC is doing a great job, but it is really hard to detect cases,” said Alessandro Vespignani, one of the authors of the paper. The federal agency is faced with an exceedingly difficult task, in part because it is cobbling together data from various monitoring systems in different states and jurisdictions. The nature of the virus presents additional challenges, making it more complicated to track than other epidemics. “You have to ingest much more data and deal with another level of complexity as well as other sources of uncertainties,” Vespignani said.
Because Zika is transmitted by mosquitoes (as well as sexually spread between humans), researchers trying to model or predict its path have to take into consideration the presence of certain mosquito species, mosquito populations in different areas, that population’s variability with weather conditions, and so on. (Northeastern’s computer model does not take sexual transmission of Zika into consideration, even though it’s one of the ways the virus is transmitted.)
Vespignani and his colleagues also used their model to predict how Zika will continue to move through the Americas through the end of 2016, based on how it has spread globally since 2013. (They also took into account the rate of transmission of Dengue in various regions, since that virus has much in common with Zika.)
The modeling suggests that while the Zika epidemic has already peaked in Brazil, the number of cases is still growing rapidly in Puerto Rico, and will continue to climb well into the fall. And while the researchers say their findings should be interpreted cautiously, given the complexity of the modeling, they believe their projections offer important indications of “the magnitude and timing” of the epidemic as it progresses.
There are other computer-modeled predictions that could be useful—the estimated number of cases of Zika-related Microcephaly, a brain defect in which newborns have abnormally small heads, for example. But modeling such outcomes, especially when so much remains unknown about Zika, is difficult if not impossible without more robust clinical data. “Models can be only as good as the data they ingest,” Vespignani said.
For the CDC, good data may be the central challenge in tracking Zika. Because the agency only counts confirmed cases of the disease, and because people who catch Zika are usually asymptomatic, there are almost certainly a significant number of people who have had the virus without knowing it.
“Like the [Northeastern University] team, when we work on estimating components of the epidemic, we try to understand the dynamics of infection relative to the available information, always under the assumption that what we ‘see’ through surveillance is only the tip of the iceberg,” said Michael Johansson, a biologist in the CDC Division of Vector-Borne Diseases, in a statement provided to The Atlantic by a spokesman. “Many infections are asymptomatic, some are mild with symptoms that do not cause people to seek care, some cases are mistaken as other diseases, and then we get to the diagnostics which are also challenging.”
“All of those components contribute to many fewer cases being reported than the number of infections that actually occurs,” Johansson said.
What does all of this mean for people who just want to protect themselves from the virus? Zika should be taken as the serious threat to public health that officials have said it is. Though many cases of Zika are mild, scientists are just beginning to understand how devastating it can be—including among children and adults sickened by the disease, not just fetuses. In Utah, one man died from the virus. (And officials still don’t understand how a family member who cared for him contracted Zika.)
The CDC has clear guidelines on how people—particularly pregnant women—can protect themselves from the virus. Until scientists learn more about how Zika spreads and how it might be stopped, it’s important to understand it could be much more widespread than it appears.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/more-zika-than-anybody-thought/494201/
And 'some' blood tests are not showing up as a TRUE POSITIVE test either!
and ALL that shows is that you have potentially a VERY LARGE pool of potential human vectors...which THEN...given the relatively low level of the Aedes aegypti spp in some of those areas lends even more credence to the likelyhood of another spp being the mosquito vector......(either that or they have a population of whores, both male and female)
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