Next PM?

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So Cameron has stepped down. Who's next?

NOOOOO miffs......

we have enough with ONE poison dwarf up there in scotland

Lord Foul wrote:NOOOOO miffs......

we have enough with ONE poison dwarf up there in scotland

Point taken 

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

nicko wrote:
Big fights in Sydney with Moslims protesting,    All sweetness and light eh Vaya

Reported early in week on Sky and media.

Slight exaggeration there, on the British reporters' side...

Minor internal squabbles when a bit of in-fighting gets out of hand..

And those journo's try and turn a non-event that goes largely unnoticed by the locals; into some kind of "big fight" that in reality wasn't anything of the sort..        

Are you saying the media lied and over exaggerated?????

Can you tell the the posters in the panic room that?

Yes eddie!

I liked Andrea Leadsom who was on the 'Leave' side alongside Boris Johnson on the lastTV referendum debate.



She is the MP for S Northamptonshire, is the minister of state for energy at the dep for energy and climate change and has also held the post of economic secretary to the treasury.

Never heard of her before this debate...but she was impressive imo.

I have no idea who will step into the ring to vie for the position to be the next PM.

She was quite calm too when she spoke.
I don't know enough about her though tbh

Anyone but Boris!

4EVER2 wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:Hmm there doesn;t seem to be many women leaders in the UK

I can name one for either side straight away
Tanya Plibersek for labour
or
Julie Bishop for liberal

Labour also as Penny Wong that is leadership material (and she's a lesbian)

In looking at the history of the PM's it was really interesting to see the number of years that some of them had served - and I was surprised to see just how long Margaret Thatcher had been the PM; yet several here have had such a vile reaction to her service.   And I had forgotten that Churchill had served twice, so could the man that served briefly in between Blair and Cameron {forgot his name} could he be appointed again {or elected}? 

Will there have to be a special election since Cameron wants out - could the Queen appoint someone as 'interim PM' until the term is up?  How does that work for the UK?

Any one ... HELP 

Generally the said party (in this case the Tories) can and possibly will have an internal election - the Tory party will vote their new leader in.

Now, this will either stay that way or there may be a call for a GE as the public haven't actually voted this new "Tory leader" in as the PM.

Hope that makes sense?

Nobody voted for Gordon Brown when he took over mid term... or for John major when he took over mid term...

eddie wrote:Generally the said  party (in this case the Tories) can and possibly will have an internal election - the Tory party will vote their new leader in.

Now, this will either stay that way or there may be a call for a GE as the public haven't actually voted this new "Tory leader" in as the PM.

Hope that makes sense?

That's because Cameron was elected via his TORY party affliation '?' , right?  
Was the gentlemen (PM) before him ...was he a TORY or was his party something else - would he be a good replacement during this upheaval?

I think we should bring Nick Clegg back. I liked him.
He was the last Deputy PM and in a joint coalition parliament with the Tories and Cameron.

eddie wrote:I think we should bring Nick Clegg back. I liked him.
He was the last Deputy PM and in a joint coalition parliament with the Tories and Cameron.

Who was that dude between Blair and Cameron ...why does his name escape me but not his face
Was he a decent PM? Post Iraq war BS?

Do you know....I can't remember?!!

Wasn't it Gordon Brown..labour?

Yes. Gordon brown.
Waste of space and sold our gold apparently

eddie wrote:Yes. Gordon brown.
Waste of space and sold our gold apparently

Wasn't it him who plundered pension pots? I know millions of people (including us) suddenly saw their private pensions diminished because of him.

Original Quill wrote:So Cameron has stepped down.  Who's next?

the obvious choice is Boris, however I would love to see Jacob Reees-Mogg throw his hat in the ring. the man is articulate, knowledgeable and a thoroughly decent egg. The added bonus is he's an eton man so would doubly get up the nose of the left.

Osbourne is out of the race. Mrs May talked the talk, but when push came to shove she couldn't walk the walk and probably wont make it.
I have enjoyed watching micheal gove, the added bonus there is he is hated by eh left, so that must be a plus point for hom and mean he is doing things right.

But I think boris will steamroller his way to the top. I like him, he certainly isn't the idiot he is portrayed as. I saw him make a speech at veterans day in Trafalgar square in 08 I think and I was impressed with his passion and the crowd loved him. Being elected mayor twice in a solid labour city like london is no mean feat and could be repeated if he became PM. Although with #JihadiJEz as labour leader the tories could probably run with the corpse of Jimmy saville as leader and still romp home.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:Hopefully not Boris.

You realise if we have Boris and you have Trump, we can laugh at eachother in equal measure?

They're like the unlikely twins.

I've often thought what fun we'd have with the Donald as president.  What new adventures would he trip into?  

Having Boris would double the fun.  

It would be like a multiple ride Disneyland, only in politics.  The 'Giant Fall' over on Wall Street.  The 'Big Dipper' roller coaster in the Middle East.  The Shi'ia Teacups.  The Sunni bumper cars.  And of course, the 'Wack Iraq' game in the Persian Arcade.

well hopefully he wouldn't steal as much from the whitehouse as HillIary

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

VICTOR  for your next PM  !!!

With Didge as his campaign manager, and personal secretary;
Raggamuffin as Chancellor of the Exchequer;
Tommy as your Foreign Minister;
Nicko as Defence Minister;
Sassy for Health and Social Services;
Eddie for Science and Technology;
Andy for Trade and Industrial relations..

And Stormee can be the Court Jester !    

I understand Eddie Izzard and Bob Geldorf will be running #jihadiJez 's election campaign in 2020

eddie wrote:Yes. Gordon brown.
Waste of space and sold our gold apparently

Yes, that's the one served as PM 2007 - 2010 ...so he was scullywag - then isn't about time you had a brilliant female in there?  
BTW - I'd asked when Veya had suggested a couple women I looked up ...does the PM have to be a current British citizen, could she be from Australia or Canada?

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:Yes. Gordon brown.
Waste of space and sold our gold apparently

Wasn't it him who plundered pension pots? I know millions of people (including us) suddenly saw their private pensions diminished because of him.

yup in accordance with the lefty ideas of the "equal sharing of misery" and "the race to the lowest common denominator"

Original Quill wrote:

Major wrote:I would buy all the redundant A10 Warthogs/Thunderbolts from the yanks to help patrol our borders, brilliant piece of machinery.

Look 'em over.  All at Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson:

they used to have a squadron of them at RAF kemble in wiltshire, parked about 50 yards or so from the main road. The fence was a 3 foot high drystone wall. I often wondered as I passed on my way to work if you needed a key to start one up. I reckon I could have got one off the ground.

sassy wrote:Utter codswallop.   I didn't use it, it's fact, she was killed for what she was fighting for by the Far Right, the Far Right that Stormee supports, revels in it.

she was killed by a mentally unstable nutter. he even went for help the day before,.
He may well have been a member of a far right group. many in labour have been communists and worse. It does not mean all labour supporters want to murder 50 million people by starvation

eddie wrote:Sassy is it true that her husband Brandon Cox, had to resign from his position in a children's charity due to sexual harrassment claims? I vaguely remember seeing something the other day.

is that why he refused to be parachuted into her seat?

eddie wrote:

sassy wrote:And?   Even if it true, and I have no idea, what has that got to do with her fighting for her beliefs and getting murdered for it.   I simply don't understand why people would want to dredge up stuff about her husband because she was killed.

Would've been relevant if it'd been Boris or Farage or......

Oh you catch my drift.

So it is true then. I was only asking anyway

nothing that shows the left in a bad light is relevant, haven't you understood that yet. By the way this is the first I have heard of this

sassy wrote:Just looked it up, the Mail talked of allegations, they were never confirmed.  And if it had been Boris or Farage and people started dredging about their wives, I would have said the same thing.

so you are saying an allegation is not relevant? tell that to cliff richard

sassy wrote:

yes the left are very good at cobbling together utter bullshit. it must be all those years of practice

sassy wrote:

yes the market has crashed to a slightly higher position than last friday, bastards

4EVER2 wrote:Well, here's a question from someone that's never put a foot upon British soil {well I have been to Canada but they don't think they're British anymore} ...would you foresee there ever being another WOMEN PM seated in your UK?
Is there any female that high up on the ranking ladder to have qualities that would sway enough British to see her obtain the position of Prime Minister?

I am sure there will be, however she will get their on merit, not because of some quotas system.

sassy wrote:

eddie wrote:Possibly. Teresa May..? Some might say.

But not in my opinion.!

Ruth Davidson?

she doesn't want it, she prefers to lead scotland out of the darkness

4EVER2 wrote:

eddie wrote:Generally the said  party (in this case the Tories) can and possibly will have an internal election - the Tory party will vote their new leader in.

Now, this will either stay that way or there may be a call for a GE as the public haven't actually voted this new "Tory leader" in as the PM.

Hope that makes sense?

That's because Cameron was elected via his TORY party affliation '?' , right?  
Was the gentlemen (PM) before him ...was he a TORY or was his party something else - would he be a good replacement during this upheaval?

You are showing your complete ignorance of our country and our democratic parliamentary system...


While also regularly trying to tell us what's what and what should be over here...


However... I will try to explain things for you about how our democratic system is organised and supposed to work...


We have our main govt/parliament election about every 5 years... a day is set for this election voting to take place... and everyone gets a vote on that day...


But what people are actually voting for is for who will be their local representative MP for their local area who will be taking that area seat in parliament and representing them in parliament.


There are 650 separate areas across the UK where an MP is elected for each area, voted for by the local people in each area and then sent to parliament to be the voice of the people of each area and to come to a collective decision on issues and what's the best and most agreeable for all points of view...


Issues and points of view and arguments are voiced by all MPs... with equal value... then agreements and compromises are offered and made that try to reach consensus and acceptable for all... then a vote is taken from all the MPs... with the majority being the deciding course of action...


At least that is how it should and would work if all MPs were independent and not part of a party...


But we do have political party's... conservative, labour, lib dems, Ukip, SDP, DUP, Green, plaid cymru, snp... and a whole lot more...


Most will put up their representative mp in each area and singing the same party promises for each different one...


So in all mp elections you find that most people will be voting for one or other of the party MPs...


And most will be sticking with the same old choice of either tory of labour in most areas... SNP in Scotland is the main one now... lib dems are popular in a few areas... Ukip are hugely popular all over the country but second place to others so only one mp... etc...


So we end up with parliament being made up of groups of party linked MPs... where the party with the largest number of MPs being the ones entitled to be getting first chance of being the govt... and the leader of that particular party getting to be the prime minister...


Hope this helps!

veya_victaous wrote:Hmm there doesn;t seem to be many women leaders in the UK

I can name one for either side straight away
Tanya Plibersek for labour
or
Julie Bishop for liberal

Labour also as Penny Wong that is leadership material (and she's a lesbian)

how many of those got the job on merit and not on a quota

Tommy Monk wrote:I don't care if our prime minister is male or female... just that they are in charge of our country and doing what the electorate want.

I should add they are the best person for the job and not there to tick a box

Miffs2 wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:Hmm there doesn;t seem to be many women leaders in the UK

I can name one for either side straight away
Tanya Plibersek for labour
or
Julie Bishop for liberal

Labour also as Penny Wong that is leadership material (and she's a lesbian)

My God, if only she was a dwarf too, she would be a shoe in

I think you will find the correct term is PORG.

#TomSharp

eddie wrote:Generally the said  party (in this case the Tories) can and possibly will have an internal election - the Tory party will vote their new leader in.

Now, this will either stay that way or there may be a call for a GE as the public haven't actually voted this new "Tory leader" in as the PM.

Hope that makes sense?

it is slightly different from when brown was anointed as there will actually be a contest

4EVER2 wrote:

eddie wrote:Generally the said  party (in this case the Tories) can and possibly will have an internal election - the Tory party will vote their new leader in.

Now, this will either stay that way or there may be a call for a GE as the public haven't actually voted this new "Tory leader" in as the PM.

Hope that makes sense?

That's because Cameron was elected via his TORY party affliation '?' , right?  
Was the gentlemen (PM) before him ...was he a TORY or was his party something else - would he be a good replacement during this upheaval?

the tories lost the 3 elections before cameron became leader.

eddie wrote:I think we should bring Nick Clegg back. I liked him.
He was the last Deputy PM and in a joint coalition parliament with the Tories and Cameron.

But used to work in the eu and very pro eu... he constantly flip flopped/twisted on whether we should have a referendum or not... hand in hand with lab and con...


Never forget that it was only because of ukip and the huge support for Ukip that forced Cameron to promise the referendum!!!




Check out the timeline and flip flopping...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15390884


And Thatcher was only forced out because she saw what the eu was proposing to do and become in the Maastricht Treaty of 1992/3... and she quite rightly said "no no no!"...

4EVER2 wrote:

eddie wrote:I think we should bring Nick Clegg back. I liked him.
He was the last Deputy PM and in a joint coalition parliament with the Tories and Cameron.

Who was that dude between Blair and Cameron ...why does his name escape me but not his face
Was he a decent PM? Post Iraq war BS?

Gordon brown. The man that bailed out the banks twice. The man that started the rot in the labour party and made them unelectable. the man that left the UK practically bankrupt. IS that the one you mean.
He wasn't elected PM he was anointed as he felt it was his right. The delicious irony is that had he gone to the polls in 2007 he may well have won the election, but he was Frit, as a well know lady PM was known to say. Labour did not learn that the british people have given up the politics of the 70's and decided that they lost not becasue they were incompetent, but becasue they were not left wing enough, so they elected #SpecialEd Miliband. He and his left wing credentials proved to be an utter turnoff so as is to be expected labour didn't say to themselves, what made us win 3 elections in a row, they decided they were not left wing enough and decided to #jihadijez in charge, a man who may well have made mao look like a bit of a tory.

The tories since winning th 2015 election have had a bit of a terrible time putting it mildly, but #jihadijez is so distrusted that labour even now are still trailing in the polls, and that is even with the pollsters admitting they may be given labour more credence than they deserve.,

With a new leader and the referendum over the tories can put their house in order and should trounce labour in 2020 and no doubt again and again until it gets beyond a joke. By then I suspect that labour may well have dug stalin up and made him leader because they need a real left winger to win.

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:Yes. Gordon brown.
Waste of space and sold our gold apparently

Wasn't it him who plundered pension pots? I know millions of people (including us) suddenly saw their private pensions diminished because of him.

yes my pension is worth 30% of what i was going to be before he robbed us. I cannot understand why osbourn thought it would be a good idea to follow suit

4EVER2 wrote:

eddie wrote:Yes. Gordon brown.
Waste of space and sold our gold apparently

Yes, that's the one served as PM 2007 - 2010 ...so he was scullywag - then isn't about time you had a brilliant female in there?  
BTW - I'd asked when Veya had suggested a couple women I looked up ...does the PM have to be a current British citizen, could she be from Australia or Canada?

I don't know 4ver? Maybe? Wouldn't bother me where they were from as long as they got the job done.

4EVER2 wrote:

eddie wrote:Yes. Gordon brown.
Waste of space and sold our gold apparently

Yes, that's the one served as PM 2007 - 2010 ...so he was scullywag - then isn't about time you had a brilliant female in there?  
BTW - I'd asked when Veya had suggested a couple women I looked up ...does the PM have to be a current British citizen, could she be from Australia or Canada?

yes he needs to british.

Dean I've pmd you

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:Yes. Gordon brown.
Waste of space and sold our gold apparently

Wasn't it him who plundered pension pots? I know millions of people (including us) suddenly saw their private pensions diminished because of him.

Hi Syl. No, that's just Tory propaganda and it cerainly was not Gordom Brown.

You should read this and so should everyone else who believes that.

We used to have a pension system that was the envy of the rest of the world. This system is now crumbling and companies are moving away from final salary occupational pension provision. Not only this, but many thousands of people, who thought they had a 'guaranteed' pension and had been relying on their employer's pension promise, have suddenly found that this pension has disappeared.
The Press have been trying to blame Gordon Brown's removal of Advanced Corporation Tax (ACT) relief in 1997 for the problems, but this is simply not true.



http://www.rosaltmann.com/whathashappened.htm

Irn Bru wrote:

Syl wrote:
Wasn't it him who plundered pension pots? I know millions of people (including us) suddenly saw their private pensions diminished because of him.

Hi Syl. No, that's just Tory propaganda and it cerainly was not Gordom Brown.

You should read this and so should everyone else who believes that.

We used to have a pension system that was the envy of the rest of the world. This system is now crumbling and companies are moving away from final salary occupational pension provision. Not only this, but many thousands of people, who thought they had a 'guaranteed' pension and had been relying on their employer's pension promise, have suddenly found that this pension has disappeared.
The Press have been trying to blame Gordon Brown's removal of Advanced Corporation Tax (ACT) relief in 1997 for the problems, but this is simply not true.
http://www.rosaltmann.com/whathashappened.htm

WOW ...I'm becoming a firm believer that those few members on here that are brainwashed into those utter: hysteria driven/conspiracy theory/nit-pick every photo/every automobile accident image into infinity & beyond ...just can't be relied upon for factual data about any of their previous elected humans because they DO NOT 'FACT CHECK' their data and just fall back on ugly assed rumors and innuendos and make believe BS!   
Is there something perverse in the drinking water over there?  Shouldn't you all be buying bottled water? 

And Bru's link is a widely accepted factual unbiased account of what happened... isn't it...!?


Not!!!



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/10798785/True-cost-of-Labours-pension-tax-raid-and-others-since-Seventies.html


Other national newspapers are available that tell the same story...

Tommy Monk wrote:And Bru's link is a widely accepted factual unbiased account of what happened... isn't it...!?


Not!!!



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/10798785/True-cost-of-Labours-pension-tax-raid-and-others-since-Seventies.html


Other national newspapers are available that tell the same story...

Tommy,

Ross Altmann was appointed by David Cameron as the Tory Party Pensions Minister.

Course she's biased

She was previously an adviser to Tony Blair when he was prime minister...


So why are you using such biased links to back up a claim that pension funds weren't getting raided...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:She was previously an adviser to Tony Blair when he was prime minister...


So why are you using such biased links to back up a claim that pension funds weren't getting raided...!?

If she was so biased why would David Cameron make her the Tory Party pensions minister?

Sorry Tommy. She is absolutely bang on the money.

Shes not independent if she was so involved in it all...


So therefore biased and not credible.


You were using her as an excuse to the pension raids under Blair and brown...


The newspapers tell a different story..

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Original Quill wrote:So Cameron has stepped down.  Who's next?

the obvious choice is Boris, however I would love to see Jacob Reees-Mogg throw his hat in the ring. the man is articulate, knowledgeable and a thoroughly decent egg. The added bonus is he's an eton man so would doubly get up the nose of the left.

Osbourne is out of the race. Mrs May talked the talk, but when push came to shove she couldn't walk the walk and probably wont make it.
I have enjoyed watching micheal gove, the added bonus there is he is hated by eh left, so that must be a plus point for hom and mean he is doing things right.

But I think boris will steamroller his way to the top. I like him, he certainly isn't the idiot he is portrayed as. I saw him make a speech at veterans day in Trafalgar square in 08 I think and I was impressed with his passion and the crowd loved him. Being elected mayor twice in a solid labour city like london is no mean feat and could be repeated if he became PM. Although with #JihadiJEz as labour leader the tories could probably run with the corpse of Jimmy saville as leader and still romp home.

He's so recently on the national scene that we in America don't know that much about him. I will say this, never underestimate a born New Yorker. They may talk funny, but in the head they are a cut or two above everyone else. They think fast...have to, to get out of the way of the cars.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

4EVER2 wrote:
Yes, that's the one served as PM 2007 - 2010 ...so he was scullywag - then isn't about time you had a brilliant female in there?  
BTW - I'd asked when Veya had suggested a couple women I looked up ...does the PM have to be a current British citizen, could she be from Australia or Canada?

yes he needs to british.

JULIA GILLARD for Leader of the British Labour Party...

AND next Prime Minister for England, Wales and the Falkland Islands..
(She woz born in Wales..).