Next PM?

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So Cameron has stepped down. Who's next?

Sorry sass that was true.

Sorry Nicko, it ain't, it's a matter of public record that they were not allowed to use the money to build new houses, and any new houses they did build automatically were allowed to be bought by the tenants after they had lived in them for 3 years, so public housing stock went through the floor with no reason to build anymore because of the monetary loss involved.


Now, back to Andrea Leadsome:


She wants to stop maternity pay
She wants to stop the minimum wage
Her financial affairs are in doubt and it's strongly suspected that she uses offshore accounts
She supports fox hunting
She voted to cut £30 from the disabled a week

and now

Andrea Leadsom: I didn't like gay marriage law because it hurts Christians, admits Tory contender to be PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/andrea-leadsom-brexit-speech-conservative-leadership-election-next-tory-leader-a7124641.html

Leadsom is a dead duck. Too far right for most Tories apart from those bordering to UKIP territory.
May (God she is fugly) , who I dislike and disagree with many of her policies is the safest bet, and she appears straight up and down. What you see is what you get. No nasty surprises hidden in her closet.

Tommy Monk wrote:

You should have gone to Specsavers...

I don't need assistance, tommy. If you can't muster up common sense and reason on your own, than you have lost already.

I've even given you a road map by which to make your case: highlight the passages, bring them over here, and make your argument. If you can't do that, it's a tacit admission that you are wrong.

A pile of unedited c&p trash is not an argument.

sassy wrote:Says Tommy, avoiding all the actual facts again and wallowing in his lies and self deceipt..

At a conference organised by think tank the Centre for Labour and Social Studies, Mr Copley spoke about his role as Labour’s housing spokesman on the London Assembly.

He said: “As a Labour politician one of the things that really galls me is that there’s this statistic that more council homes were built in the last year of Thatcher’s government than were built in the 13 years of Labour government, and that’s something I think as a Labour Party we need to apologise for.” Official figures show only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone, which was Baroness Thatcher’s final year as prime minister. In one Labour year, 2004, the number fell to just 130 council homes completed.


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-should-apologise-for-social-housing-failure-8932797.html

OFGS, go a bit mad and read why, I stated it very clearly.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

You should have gone to Specsavers...

I don't need assistance, tommy.  If you can't muster up common sense and reason on your own, than you have lost already.

I've even given you a road map by which to make your case: highlight the passages, bring them over here, and make your argument.  If you can't do that, it's a tacit admission that you are wrong.

A pile of unedited c&p trash is not an argument.

Here's another example...


"The European Union value added tax (or EU VAT) is a value added tax on goods and services within the European Union (EU). The EU's institutions do not collect the tax, but EU member states are each required to adopt a value added tax that complies with the EU VAT code."


And another example...


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_financial_transaction_tax

sassy wrote:OFGS, go a bit mad and read why, I stated it very clearly.

Waffle...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I don't need assistance, tommy.  If you can't muster up common sense and reason on your own, than you have lost already.

I've even given you a road map by which to make your case: highlight the passages, bring them over here, and make your argument.  If you can't do that, it's a tacit admission that you are wrong.

A pile of unedited c&p trash is not an argument.

Here's another example...


"The European Union value added tax (or EU VAT) is a value added tax on goods and services within the European Union (EU). The EU's institutions do not collect the tax, but EU member states are each required to adopt a value added tax that complies with the EU VAT code."

And another example...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_financial_transaction_tax

A value-added tax is not the same as taking over and monopolizing state's taxing mechanisms, which is what you would need.  Don't change the subject...it's no better than an inarticulate c&p job.

At least you spelt it correctly Tom. That is the most valuable contribution you have made this week. You need to learn to add other words though. They then become sentences.
One step at a time. It takes time to educate a creature from the primeval gloop.

Quill... I have proved what I said...


The eu is all about mission creep...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Quill... I have proved what I said...

The eu is all about mission creep...

Aha...   You are finally admitting it.  It was a 'slippery slope' argument after all.

You lose credibility when you try to play 'hide-the-ball' with us.  The 'slippery slope' argument is about a lot of 'couldovs', 'wouldovs', and suppositions.  It says much more about the speaker than it says about the subject.

Such arguments are built on paranoia.  We already know you are paranoid, tommy.  You didn't need to declare it for us.

sassy wrote:

Syl wrote:

Thanks Eddie...and she certainly did ruin parts of the country. Mining communities were at war with each other, and some areas never recovered.
I just associate Thatcher with the attitude that still prevails today, "I'm all right Jack and sod everyone else".

Absolutely agree.

Thought you might like to know some things I have found out about Andrea Leadsom.

She wants maternity pay stopped

She wants to get rid of the minimum wage

She supports fox hunting

Many in the Tory Party say she would make Thatcher look like a wet.

I think they both resemble Thatcher in looks.

So....it's now up to the 15000 Con party members who are entitled to start the vote next month to decide.
May so far is way ahead in popularity, but she campaigned to stay in the EU....Leadsom   campaigned brilliantly to 'leave', but her past seems a bit dodgy....and the government has to now plan our future out of the EU.
So both women have plus and minus points.

I wonder if both women will now submit their tax returns?

Quill... I have proved what I said... with multiple examples...

Tommy Monk wrote:Quill... I have proved what I said... with multiple examples...

No you haven't.

And now you've admitted you haven't. You've just told us that it's a 'slippery slope' argument, which has more to say about how fearful you are, than anything about the EU.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:My points are backed up by history...

You have never backed up your claim that the EU is reaching to take over taxation in member countries.

Yes I have!!!


With multiple examples...


Here are a couple more...


http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm


And...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate-General_for_Taxation_and_Customs_Union_(European_Commission)

Syl wrote:

sassy wrote:

Syl wrote:

Thanks Eddie...and she certainly did ruin parts of the country. Mining communities were at war with each other, and some areas never recovered.
I just associate Thatcher with the attitude that still prevails today, "I'm all right Jack and sod everyone else".

Absolutely agree.

Thought you might like to know some things I have found out about Andrea Leadsom.

She wants maternity pay stopped

She wants to get rid of the minimum wage

She supports fox hunting

Many in the Tory Party say she would make Thatcher look like a wet.

I think they both resemble Thatcher in looks.

So....it's now up to the 15000 Con party members who are entitled to start the vote next month to decide.
May so far is way ahead in popularity, but she campaigned to stay in the EU....Leadsom   campaigned brilliantly to 'leave', but her past seems a bit dodgy....and the government has to now plan our future out of the EU.
So both women have plus and minus points.

I wonder if both women will now submit their tax returns?

But Angela Leadman looked so "soft"?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:


You have never backed up your claim that the EU is reaching to take over taxation in member countries.

Yes I have!!!

With multiple examples...

Here are a couple more...

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm

And...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate-General_for_Taxation_and_Customs_Union_(European_Commission)

Did not...did not...did not. Two can play that game.

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:

I think they both resemble Thatcher in looks.

So....it's now up to the 15000 Con party members who are entitled to start the vote next month to decide.
May so far is way ahead in popularity, but she campaigned to stay in the EU....Leadsom   campaigned brilliantly to 'leave', but her past seems a bit dodgy....and the government has to now plan our future out of the EU.
So both women have plus and minus points.

I wonder if both women will now submit their tax returns?

But Angela Leadman looked so "soft"?

Now her credentials as being high up in banking are being called into account and she is against gay marriage and has probably used off shore bank accounts to avoid paying tax on her buy-to-let properties.

Marvellous how people can fool you isn't it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder how many MPs have 'buy to let' financial interests and are also presiding over mass immigration that is driving up house prices (in what can only be described as a huge bubble)... and driving up rent profits...?




Also...


In a speech in the House of Commons in 2012, Leadsom said that companies employing three employers or fewer should see any regulation scrapped.

“I envisage there being absolutely no regulation whatsoever—no minimum wage, no maternity or paternity rights, no unfair dismissal rights, no pension rights—for the smallest companies that are trying to get off the ground, in order to give them a chance,” she said, adding that if the number of employees increased then requirements would be reinstated.

The only person working for a boss of a firm like that would only be family.
Who in their right mind would work on those terms and conditions?
The under classes.

sassy wrote:

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:

I think they both resemble Thatcher in looks.

So....it's now up to the 15000 Con party members who are entitled to start the vote next month to decide.
May so far is way ahead in popularity, but she campaigned to stay in the EU....Leadsom   campaigned brilliantly to 'leave', but her past seems a bit dodgy....and the government has to now plan our future out of the EU.
So both women have plus and minus points.

I wonder if both women will now submit their tax returns?

But Angela Leadman looked so "soft"?

Now her credentials as being high up in banking are being called into account and she is against gay marriage and has probably used off shore bank accounts to avoid paying tax on her buy-to-let properties.

Marvellous how people can fool you isn't it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I got her completely wrong but to be fair, I've not been aware of her until the BREXIT campaign, and it wasn't so much what she said, but how she held herself, that I noticed.

Bring back Bozza.

She is far right. More than Liam Fox. Borderline UKIP. Her policies put her well right of Thatcher and IDS.

UKIP and Britain First support her.   Says it all really..

The lefties here seem to like Theresa May...


I wonder why...?


Given her past position on issues/policy and work history...

Not sure she is a racist,Sassy, but coming that side of the political compass it would come as no surprise is she was, even a little.
She has some pretty far right ideologies though.

Sensible people might still dislike May, but she is certainly the lesser of 2 evils

Sort of the best of a really bad bunch lol

Well at least it's not our decision....so we cant be blamed whoever gets in.

That's true, however, we have to put up with the consequences.

Handy Andy wrote:Not sure she is a racist,Sassy, but coming that side of the political  compass  it would come  as no surprise is she was, even a little.
She has some pretty far right ideologies though.

While this is an example of the twisted left wing ideology from a left wing politician in Germany... who was raped by 3 men but decided to lie about the perpetrators ethnic identity but instead blame another ethnicity for pc gone mad reasons...


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/06/raped-german-politician-lied-attackers-nationality-stop-racism/

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10426/theresa_may/maidenhead/votes

Tommy Monk wrote:

Handy Andy wrote:Not sure she is a racist,Sassy, but coming that side of the political  compass  it would come  as no surprise is she was, even a little.
She has some pretty far right ideologies though.

While this is an example of the twisted left wing ideology from a left wing politician in Germany... who was raped by 3 men but decided to lie about the perpetrators ethnic identity but instead blame another ethnicity for pc gone mad reasons...


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/06/raped-german-politician-lied-attackers-nationality-stop-racism/

Anyone...!?

Nobody replied because you are a boring twat with nothing worthwhile to say apart from "rubbish" or "bollock" when you see a post written by some one who is left field of Genghis Khan.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

Handy Andy wrote:Not sure she is a racist,Sassy, but coming that side of the political  compass  it would come  as no surprise is she was, even a little.
She has some pretty far right ideologies though.

While this is an example of the twisted left wing ideology from a left wing politician in Germany... who was raped by 3 men but decided to lie about the perpetrators ethnic identity but instead blame another ethnicity for pc gone mad reasons...


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/06/raped-german-politician-lied-attackers-nationality-stop-racism/

Anyone...!?

Not LEFT WING!!!
EUROPEAN IDEOLOGY
from a European Politican,

LW everywhere else not as stupid
the European (either LW or RW) is far more likely to be the cause.

Think this says it all about AL

Even Nick Griffin,(Tommy's all time political hero) is supporting her.

She is turning out to be a nasty bit of work. Fortunately for Britain, she has plenty of ghosts hiding in her wardrobe.

Not the straight talking, non waffler, honest and upfront woman she appeared to be when she was first catapulted into the media spotlight a couple of weeks ago.

There is not a lot of difference between them both on the basis of their opinions, voting history, and previous employment history being in banking/finance...

And...they both look like Thatcher wannabees.

Thatcher said 'no no no!' To the Maastricht eu formation treaty...

Tommy Monk wrote:Thatcher said 'no no no!' To the Maastricht eu formation treaty...

She had something in common with Amy Winehouse didn't she?

Now you're being Sylly again...

Tommy Monk wrote:Now you're being Sylly again...

I know....but it's Friday night.

She isn't making herself very popular is she?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/andrea-leadsom-denies-using-status-082155860.html

Leadsom has two sons and a daughter, and the newspaper’s headline was: “Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom”.

In the interview, Leadsom said May “possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people. But I have children who are going to have children who will directly be a part of what happens next.”

A low blow, especially as fairly recently Theresa May has said she regretted not being able to have children.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9762078/My-constant-sense-of-loss-at-not-having-children-by-Theresa-May.html

Syl wrote:She isn't making herself very popular is she?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/andrea-leadsom-denies-using-status-082155860.html

Leadsom has two sons and a daughter, and the newspaper’s headline was: “Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom”.

In the interview, Leadsom said May “possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people. But I have children who are going to have children who will directly be a part of what happens next.”

A low blow, especially as fairly recently Theresa May has said she regretted not being able to have children.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9762078/My-constant-sense-of-loss-at-not-having-children-by-Theresa-May.html

Having children is one of the least endorsing of qualifications I can think of.  Even a drivers license requires a test.  Do we measure everyone's vagina to see which is the most qualified?

Leadsom should be embarrassed over that one.

She is shouting loudly and indignantly that she wants a retraction from the Times. She says the interviewer has misinterpreted her words....but I don't see how they can be misinterpreted.

She has said often in the last few weeks that "as a mother" etc etc....as if that makes her somehow more qualified to govern than her opponent.

ONE leading conservative candidate near here leads her resume off with "Wife and Mother"...

SHE received less than 34% of the primary vote in her electorate in  last weekend's Oz Federal election;
Her Labor party opponent got well over 50%..

People would rather see their actual contributions as a political apparatchik/hopeful heading the list, then their academic qualifications (if any), and work history..
Placing one's parental status front and centre makes it seem like you're hiding something -- like maybe a lack of committment or other qualifications ?

Doubly so, when competing for Party leadership..