A great day for Democracy!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:On a bullshit poll of 1652 people...

Fuk off with your shitty polls bullshit!!!

The people have spoken!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:We need Ukip to ensure we get the exit we need!


And to ensure we keep it!!!


And many of Ukips other policies are resonating well with the electorate!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:We need Ukip to ensure we get the exit we need!


And to ensure we keep it!!!


And many of Ukips other policies are resonating well with the electorate!!!

Lord Foul wrote:I'll do it didge....

Tommy Monk wrote:
Wrong!!!


We need people to watch the exit from eu like hawks to ensure no dodgy deals are done which means we keep all the shit we have just voted to get rid of!!!

Didge wrote:The question is now though. What on earth do UKIP do now?
Without their carrot on a stick, leaving the EU. What now will their appeal be?
They will have to reinvent themselves, as the likelyhood, is they will fade away into nothing. Not that i am bothered if they do lol

Tommy Monk wrote:

Independence day!!!

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:On a bullshit poll of 1652 people...

Fuk off with your shitty polls bullshit!!!

The people have spoken!!!

the point is the different opinion depending on age.
it is not suggesting that brexit didn't win
it just shows it won on the vote of the elderly

and the geographical split shows all Scotland voted in,
London and most of Northern Ireland voted in
all of wales and the rest of England voted leave

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

Independence day!!!

Whichever knob-jockey gave Tommy a red for this post: have the guts to fess up and get the fuck out of the country.  

See if the French treat you any better.

veya_victaous wrote:on the topic of democracy
interesting stat

“I’m so angry,” wrote one Twitter user. “A generation given everything: free education, golden pensions, social mobility, have voted to strip my generation’s future.” Another statement, from a commenter on the Financial Times website that has been widely shared, summed up the sense of furious betrayal among the young: “The younger generation has lost the right to live and work in 27 other countries. We will never know the full extent of lost opportunities, friendships, marriages and experiences we will be denied. Freedom of movement was taken away by our parents, uncles and grandparents in a parting blow to a generation that was already drowning in the debts of its predecessors.”

But worry not – Boris Johnson said this morning that young people can look forward to a “prosperous future” once “we take back control”. Except few of us are likely to believe his empty rhetoric.

Three-quarters of young people – a massive mandate – are predicted to have voted remain, according to a YouGov poll, while those older than us made the decision to vote in favour of an uncertain vision of a future Britain that the young emphatically did not and do not want. Thank you to those baby boomers and their parents who either voted to stay, or who, in the days before the referendum, agreed to put aside their own feelings and vote on behalf of their children and grandchildren. We appreciate you trying.

There’s no point going into my own feelings about this result; I made that mistake after the general election and was mocked by rightwingers, as though openly acknowledging the fear and sadness you feel when a political result potentially has very real consequences for your family means that you are somehow overwrought and pathetic. But what I will say is that if you are young and you are experiencing feelings of fury and heartbreak about the result, you are justified in doing so. The political is personal; the way that the future weeks, months and years play out will have powerful, definable consequences on the way you live. This is one of those momentous turning points in our personal timelines; if you’re pissed off, you are right to be.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/young-angry-eu-referendum

sassy wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:on the topic of democracy
interesting stat

“I’m so angry,” wrote one Twitter user. “A generation given everything: free education, golden pensions, social mobility, have voted to strip my generation’s future.” Another statement, from a commenter on the Financial Times website that has been widely shared, summed up the sense of furious betrayal among the young: “The younger generation has lost the right to live and work in 27 other countries. We will never know the full extent of lost opportunities, friendships, marriages and experiences we will be denied. Freedom of movement was taken away by our parents, uncles and grandparents in a parting blow to a generation that was already drowning in the debts of its predecessors.”

But worry not – Boris Johnson said this morning that young people can look forward to a “prosperous future” once “we take back control”. Except few of us are likely to believe his empty rhetoric.

Three-quarters of young people – a massive mandate – are predicted to have voted remain, according to a YouGov poll, while those older than us made the decision to vote in favour of an uncertain vision of a future Britain that the young emphatically did not and do not want. Thank you to those baby boomers and their parents who either voted to stay, or who, in the days before the referendum, agreed to put aside their own feelings and vote on behalf of their children and grandchildren. We appreciate you trying.

There’s no point going into my own feelings about this result; I made that mistake after the general election and was mocked by rightwingers, as though openly acknowledging the fear and sadness you feel when a political result potentially has very real consequences for your family means that you are somehow overwrought and pathetic. But what I will say is that if you are young and you are experiencing feelings of fury and heartbreak about the result, you are justified in doing so. The political is personal; the way that the future weeks, months and years play out will have powerful, definable consequences on the way you live. This is one of those momentous turning points in our personal timelines; if you’re pissed off, you are right to be.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/young-angry-eu-referendum

My friends two grandchildren are going to Germany and France respectively to little towns for teaching experience from September, it was supposed to be for 3 years, sponsored by the EU.  They will probably be ok this year, but then?

Another friend has a son in microbiology, the funding for everything he does comes from the EU.  It obviously won't continue, so he plans to work abroad.

Thousands and thousands of young people will have their horizons restricted and their chances limited.  To those old people who didn't give a stuff about the young, shame on you.

sassy wrote:Don't be ridiculous, they were just examples.   This involves thousands of youngsters, this year and in all the years to come.   Chances they could have had no longer exist.

sassy wrote:We don't have to live with the results very long, they will have it for the rest of their lives, they have every right to be angry.

Tommy Monk wrote:Blah blah blah bullshit waffle!

Lord Foul wrote:yeah??...really...well that will be clueless life experience lacking wet behind the ears youngters, having been fed a diet of lefty rhetoric and lies.

you forget us "older" ones know EXACTLY what the left stand for..we have lived with them....and suffered from them too....

and here thay are proving it yet again...antidemocratic

desiring that one demographic group has "more say" than another

oh how "equal of you"

and maybe the remain brigade would have had 50,000 more votes....if the idle layabouts wernt getting stoned at glastonbury...

Lord Foul wrote:funny init...how thousands of young people come here from non eu countries to have their horizons "opened up"

yeah...really.....

Eilzel wrote:The old vs young poll is true. As the youngest poster here (I think) I can tell you the vast majority of people may age and younger I know voted in. We are all massively pissed off because our abilities to work in Europe have just been complicated, and future of our country jeapordised, by a bunch of angry older people. Our generations will be the ones who suffer most from this- so thanks for that.

Meanwhile prominent leave campaigners have already reneged on 350 million to the NHS and that immigration would be greatly rediced. Great jobeave voters, thanks for nothing.

veya_victaous wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:funny init...how thousands of young people come here from non eu countries to have their horizons "opened up"

yeah...really.....

building the future with less hill shepherds stuck in their little villages and not seeing how others live and the diversity of humanity.
It is inter-generational change, their was hope that the next generation of Europeans would be less isolated and mono-cultural.
And yes it is meant to be 2 way although obviously it would take some time to balance out.

Scrapped for young Brits now