The Saudi solution

As European governments slam the gates shut on illegal Middle Eastern immigrants, where can Syrians and others go, not far from their homelands, for safety and employment? The answer is obvious but surprisingly neglected: to Saudi Arabia and the other rich Arab sheikhdoms.
The more than 1 million migrants who boated, trained, bussed and walked to northern Europe in the past year overwhelmed the continent's capabilities and good will. Those large numbers were then exacerbated by crime and disease, an unwillingness to assimilate, a drive to impose Islamic laws, and such outrages as the Cologne taharrush (mass sexual assault) and the attacks in Paris and Brussels.

In reaction, populist and fascist parties (such as, respectively, the National Front in France and Jobbik in Hungary) gained strength. The European mood has so deeply shifted — as shown by the March elections in Germany — that much reduced numbers of illegals are likely to get in, no matter what new routes they try, such as via Italy.

This leaves huge numbers of would-be migrants wanting to enter Europe. A European Union (EU) commissioner, Johannes Hahn, counts "20 million refugees waiting at the doorstep of Europe. Ten to 12 million in Syria, 5 million Palestinians, 2 million Ukrainians and about 1 million in the southern Caucasus." Yes, but that's just a start; I also add vast numbers of Libyans, Egyptians, Yemenis, Iraqis, Iranians, Afghans and Pakistanis — and not just political refugees but also economic migrants. In all, the numbers of Muslim peoples ready to emigrate could potentially match the 510 million EU residents.

To where, then, are they to go? One nearby, desirable alternative to Europe exists; indeed, it's a destination so attractive that foreigners already constitute half the population: That would be the six Gulf Cooperation Council states of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Let's focus on the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the largest of them in land size, population and economy.
Saudi Arabia has many unique attractions for Sunni Muslims. To begin with, it has 100,000 high-quality, empty fiberglass tents that can house about 3 million people in Mina, just east of Mecca. Fireproof and air-conditioned, complete with toilets and kitchens, this unique resource is occupied a mere five days a year by pilgrims on the hajj.

Comparing Saudi Arabia to the states of northern Europe shows its many other advantages:
• Geography: Much closer.
• Climate: Hot.
• Language: Arabic.
• Economics: An insatiable need for labor.
• Legal system: Reassuringly familiar.
• Religion: Islam, Islam, Islam.

Culturally, many Sunnis find Saudi's severe strictures more congenial than the West's secular environment. In the kingdom, Muslims can exult in a society that permits polygamy, child marriages, wife-beating, female genital mutilation and beheadings, while only lightly punishing slaveholding and honor killings.

Saudi Arabia also permits Muslims effortlessly to avoid such haram (forbidden) features as pet dogs; pork and alcohol; interest payments on loans; lotteries and casinos; Valentine's Day, women in revealing clothes, dating and gentlemen's clubs; gay bars and gay marriage; the drug subculture; and the public expression of anti-Islamic views.

The Persian Gulf countries have been berated for not taking in "a single" Syrian refugee.
Yet the Saudi authorities claim to have taken in 2.5 million Syrians. How to explain this discrepancy?
In part, the Saudis are lying. But also, in part, the Gulf Cooperation Council and other Arabic-speaking states such as Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria never signed the 1951 Refugee Convention (because they reject the convention's goal of resettlement as applied to Palestinians). Accordingly, they avoid using the term refugee, with its implication of permanence, and refer instead to guests, who stay only temporarily until they return home.
How many Syrians have been allowed into Saudi Arabia? One study, by Lori Plotkin Boghardt of the Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy, estimates they number in the "low hundreds of thousands," say 150,000. That's a small fraction of the over 4 million in Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan — and just 5 percent of the migrants who could be housed just in Mina's splendid tents.

That wealthy Arab states are so miserly in opening their arms to Sunni Muslims in stress reveals currents of selfishness and hypocrisy. Their unhelpfulness should not be rewarded; it's high time that governments and refugee organizations stop focusing on Europe and instead turn to those Arab countries capable, with relative ease, to take in, house and employ their desperate brethren.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/17/daniel-pipes-the-saudi-solution-for-middle-eastern/print/



It does beg the question why the Gulf states are not doing more so for their Muslim brothers and sisters

and what has tommy been saying for a long while now???

Lord Foul wrote:and what has tommy been saying for a long while now???

YES, Tommy haz and othuz.

I have posted this somewhere? They could live here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1093229/Pictured-The-sprawling-tent-city-3million-Muslims-descend-Mecca-holy-Islamic-pilgrimage.html

I don't think it's that surprising that countries that have no legal apparatus for admitting refugees, and that don't recognize legal refugee status, don't accept refugees. It's also not surprising that refugees would go to countries that recognize and admit refugees.

That should definitely change, but SA and the other Gulf states probably have their own cynical reasons for not doing so.

and you think its right that we should then "carry their burden" so to speak?

Lord Foul wrote:and you think its right that we should then "carry their burden" so to speak?

Better that than the alternative.

what that "potentially, as the O/P says europe becomes overun by the sons of allah?

"This leaves huge numbers of would-be migrants wanting to enter Europe. A European Union (EU) commissioner, Johannes Hahn, counts "20 million refugees waiting at the doorstep of Europe. Ten to 12 million in Syria, 5 million Palestinians, 2 million Ukrainians and about 1 million in the southern Caucasus." Yes, but that's just a start; I also add vast numbers of Libyans, Egyptians, Yemenis, Iraqis, Iranians, Afghans and Pakistanis — and not just political refugees but also economic migrants. In all, the numbers of Muslim peoples ready to emigrate could potentially match the 510 million EU residents."

perhaps we could send em all your way???

Lord Foul wrote:what that "potentially, as the O/P says europe becomes overun by the sons of allah?

"This leaves huge numbers of would-be migrants wanting to enter Europe. A European Union (EU) commissioner, Johannes Hahn, counts "20 million refugees waiting at the doorstep of Europe. Ten to 12 million in Syria, 5 million Palestinians, 2 million Ukrainians and about 1 million in the southern Caucasus." Yes, but that's just a start; I also add vast numbers of Libyans, Egyptians, Yemenis, Iraqis, Iranians, Afghans and Pakistanis — and not just political refugees but also economic migrants. In all, the numbers of Muslim peoples ready to emigrate could potentially match the 510 million EU residents."

perhaps we could send em all your way???

Don't you suppose that a country like Saudi actually wants to see Europe dominated eventually by Islam. That won't happen so quickly if they take all the Muslim refugees.  I mean, that is the ultimate goal of Islam, isn't it?  To become THE religion of the whole world?   I don't think there's one Muslim who wouldn't agree with that.  It's the perfect state of human existence for them, surely?

Many Muslims hate the Saudis.  The reason why Western leaders bow and scrape to them is money.   Did you know for example:

Revealed: Saudi Arabia owns $117 billion of U.S. debt

One of the biggest mysteries in global finance was just revealed: How much U.S. debt Saudi Arabia owns.

Saudi Arabia stockpiled $116.8 billion of U.S. Treasuries as of March, the Treasury Department announced on Monday, ending four decades of keeping the figure secret.
That makes Saudi Arabia the 13th largest foreign holder of U.S. debt, though well behind the $1 trillion-plus owned by China and Japan each. The Saudi figure was first reported by Bloomberg News based on a Freedom of Information Act request.
Unlike with most other major owners of U.S. debt, the Treasury Department kept Saudi Arabia's precise holdings secret since the 1970s. Saudi's holdings were lumped together with that of other oil exporting nations, including Venezuela and Iraq.
But that policy ended on Monday as the Treasury Department disclosed precise holdings by specific countries that were previously grouped together. A Treasury official told CNNMoney the move was made following a review aimed at trying to provide more "comprehensive and transparent" data.
The new Treasury report also revealed that the Cayman Islands, a country of less than 60,000 people, owned $265 billion of U.S. Treasuries as of March. That's the third-highest sum in the world and a reflection of the nation's status as a major tax haven. The Cayman Islands does not have a corporate tax, encouraging multinational companies to store vast sums of money there to avoid taxes.
Likewise, Bermuda, another popular tax haven, is sitting on $63 billion of U.S. debt. Previously both the Cayman Islands and Bermuda were lumped together in a group of Caribbean banking center nations.
It is possible that Saudi Arabia owns even more U.S. debt than what was revealed on Monday. That's because Saudi Arabia's central bank listed owning $587 billion of foreign reserves as of March. Typically, central banks park the majority of their foreign reserves in U.S. Treasuries. In other words, the numbers don't really add up.
One possibility: Saudi Arabia could be taking a page out of China's playbook. Many analysts believe China owns U.S. debt through custodial accounts in Belgium, a relatively tiny country that listed owning over $154 billion of U.S. Treasuries as of March.

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The Saudi mystery had taken on greater significance in recent months. Since the end of 2014 the Saudis have burned through more than $130 billion of foreign-exchange reserves -- most likely including U.S. debt -- to help cope with the crash in oil prices. The Treasury Department said Saudi Arabia's U.S. debt holdings of $116.8 billion are down from $123.6 billion in January.
Additionally, rising tensions between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia led the kingdom to make a recent shocking threat. Sources told CNN in April that Saudi Arabia threatened to sell off American assets if Congress passed a bill that would allow 9/11 victims to sue foreign governments. A Saudi source at the time told CNNMoney that the kingdom was "serious" about this threat.
Dumping a vast sum of U.S. Treasuries at once could cause the securities to tank, potentially destabilizing global financial markets. It could also severely hurt Saudi Arabia's own finances, leading many experts to conclude the threat was empty.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/16/investing/saudi-arabia-us-debt-ownership-revealed/

Meanwhile, our sales of arms to them is being investigated as being criminal because they used them to commit war crimes, but hey, it made us money.

UK arms sales to Saudi Arabia face inquiry and high court legal action
Powerful parliamentary committee will examine arms sales after Yemen bombing leads to claims of human rights breaches

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/10/uk-arms-sales-saudi-arabia-inquiry-yemen-bombing-human-rights

Meanwhile, they behead people every week, just like ISIS, but our leaders:



In fact, I don't know one of my Muslim friends who doesn't hate the Saudis.

do they hate the saudis as much as they hate us/our ways?

Why should they hate us, they ae part of us and are British.

Lord Foul wrote:what that "potentially, as the O/P says europe becomes overun by the sons of allah?

"This leaves huge numbers of would-be migrants wanting to enter Europe. A European Union (EU) commissioner, Johannes Hahn, counts "20 million refugees waiting at the doorstep of Europe. Ten to 12 million in Syria, 5 million Palestinians, 2 million Ukrainians and about 1 million in the southern Caucasus." Yes, but that's just a start; I also add vast numbers of Libyans, Egyptians, Yemenis, Iraqis, Iranians, Afghans and Pakistanis — and not just political refugees but also economic migrants. In all, the numbers of Muslim peoples ready to emigrate could potentially match the 510 million EU residents."

perhaps we could send em all your way???

The U.S. certainly does need to do a lot more, but obviously it's easier to get to Europe than to the U.S. I wish we would welcome them in, though.

sassy wrote:Why should they hate us, they ae part of us and are British.

says you....

so why do they want....


a separate govt

sharia zones

sharia banks

why do we have a "Muslim council of great britain"...surely not needed if they are "british"

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etc etc etc etc ...

why do they come here, bringing the beleife that digs are haram as are gays and OUR young women(who are also "targets")

If they are britsh, why do they retain a beleif system that is at best incompatible with the west (and all other arguments aside...you CANNOT claim to be Muslim IF you do not hold true to the beleife that islam over-rules the state) Islam CANNOT exist as anything other than a theocracy

Lord Foul wrote:and what has tommy been saying for a long while now???

Truth!!!