A Two State Solution for Europe?

• A poll conducted this summer found that 29% of French Muslims found Sharia to be more important to them than French laws. It also found that 67% of Muslims want their children to study Arabic, and 56% think it should be taught in public schools.
  
  
• A 2016 UK poll showed that 43% of British Muslims "believed that parts of the Islamic legal system should replace British law while only 22 per cent opposed the idea". Another poll from 2016 found that 23% of all Muslims supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain, 39% agreed that "wives should always obey their husbands," and 52% of all British Muslims believe that homosexuality should be illegal.
  
  
• French President Emmanuel Macron blamed France, not Islam, for the increased radicalization, which he said should lead France to "question itself." According to Macron, then, the parallel Islamic societies of France, have nothing to do with Islam. They are the fault of the French republic. Did the French republic impose sharia and the subjugation of women in the suburbs, described by one female survivor as "hell"? Was the French republic behind the recent distribution of leaflets stipulating "if you meet a Jew, kill him"?
  

A French intellectual, Christian Moliner, recently suggested that France should establish a Muslim state-within-a-state that adheres to sharia law, inside the borders of France, to avoid a civil war. Warning against refusing to deal with the problems of Islamism in Europe because of political correctness, he stated:

"Out of the fear of appearing Islamophobic, to satisfy this bustling fringe of Muslims, governments are ready to accept the spread of radical practices throughout the country.... [some] territories are outside the control of the Republic. The police can come only in force and for limited durations... We can never convert the 30% of Muslims who demand the introduction of sharia law to the merits of our democracy and secularism. We are now allowing segregation to take place that does not say its name."

Moliner's solution?

"... Establish a dual system of law in France... one territory, one government, but two peoples: the French with the usual laws and Muslims with Qur'anic status (but only for those who choose it)... The latter will have the right to vote... but they will apply Sharia in everyday life, to regulate matrimonial laws (which will legalize polygamy) and inheritance... They will no longer apply to French judges for disputes between Muslims... conflicts between Christians and believers will remain the responsibility of ordinary courts..."

Moliner's proposal represents a total surrender to political Islam and is of course outrageous, especially considering that Muslims only comprise a little more than five percent of the French population. What he suggests, however, merely formalizes the status quo that already exists -- and not only in France -- even if it abandons reform-minded Muslims and eventually, with their collapsing demography, the non-Muslims there.
In France, the no-go zones with their Islamization and Islamic law, sharia, and most noticeably the subjugation of women, has already spread from the suburbs (banlieues) to the cities themselves. As Gatestone's Yves Mamou described:

"... no-go zones are no longer relegated to the suburbs, where migrants and Muslims have usually been concentrated. No-go zones, through mass migration, have been emerging in the heart of Paris, Bordeaux, Toulouse, Marseille, Grenoble, Avignon -- districts 'privatized' here and there by a mix of drug traffickers, Salafist zealots and Islamic youth gangs. The main victims are women. They are -- both Muslim and non-Muslim -- sexually harassed; some are sexually assaulted".

Last year, French TV aired a documentary about women disappearing from public view in certain areas, where parallel Islamic societies had taken hold. The program named Sevran in the district of Seine-Saint Denis -- a suburb of Paris described by French political scientist Gilles Kepel as "the capital of French Islam". There are 1.4 million people living in the district of Seine-Saint-Denis. More than 600,000 of them are Muslims. The French postal service recently said that it will no longer supply its Chronopost delivery service to Seine-Saint-Denis -- the danger to their delivery drivers is too high. Last year, 51 of its delivery drivers were reportedly attacked while doing their rounds.

Riot police muster in the northern Paris suburb of Villiers-le-Bel, France. (Photo by Pascal Le Segretain/Getty Images)

In France, a poll conducted by Institut Montaigne this summer found that 29% of French Muslims found sharia to be more important to them than French laws. It also found that 67% of Muslims want their children to study Arabic and 56% think it should be taught in public schools.

A 2016 UK poll, apparently the largest poll ever done on the subject in the UK, showed that 43% of British Muslims "believed that parts of the Islamic legal system should replace British law while only 22 per cent opposed the idea". A different poll, also from 2016, found that nearly a quarter (23%) of all Muslims supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain, and 39% agreed that "wives should always obey their husbands", compared with 5% of the country as a whole. Nearly a third (31%) thought it was acceptable for a British Muslim man to have more than one wife, compared with 8% of the wider population. According to the same poll, 52% of all British Muslims believe that homosexuality should be illegal.

According to a 2014 study of Moroccan and Turkish Muslims in Germany, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Austria and Sweden, an average of almost 60% of the Muslims polled agreed that Muslims should return to the roots of Islam; 75% thought there is only one interpretation of the Koran possible and 65 % said that Sharia is more important to them than the laws of the country in which they lived. The specific numbers for Germany were that 47% of Muslims believe Sharia is more important than German law. In Sweden, 52% of Muslims believe that Sharia is more important than Swedish law.

As the polls show, there already are "two peoples" in France and large parts of Europe, who wish to live according to completely different standards, as Moliner suggests. Politicians persist in ignoring these facts or downplaying them. So why be shocked at the suggestion of a "two-state solution" for France? How do these politicians, who do not even acknowledge the problems, propose to tackle the fact that large percentages of their population would rather live under sharia law? They do not propose anything. They pretend that this information does not exist.

French President Emmanuel Macron, is an example of such immunity to facts: "Radicalization has taken hold because the French Republic has resigned," Macron said recently about the Islamization of the French suburbs. Macron blamed France, not Islam, for the increased radicalization, which he said should lead France to "question itself". Macron noted that, "We allowed, in too many cities, too many districts, representatives of a distortion of a religion, which are full of hate and disenfranchisement to provide solutions that the Republic no longer gives."

According to Macron, then, the parallel Islamic societies of France, have nothing to do with Islam. They are the fault of the French republic. Did the French republic impose Sharia and the subjugation of women in the suburbs, described by one female survivor as "hell"? Was the French republic behind the recent distributionof leaflets stipulating "if you meet a Jew, kill him"? Did the French republic force the mother of Mohammed Merah, the man who killed a little Jewish girl at school by shooting her in the head, while screaming "Allahu Akbar", to say that "the prophet permits the killing of Jewish children"?

France, as well as the rest of Europe, is -- wittingly or unwittingly -- heading towards the "two-state solution" outlined by Moliner, whether it wants it or not. That fact, however, does not appear particularly to bother the political establishment.


https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11493/europe-two-state-solution

Macron is a typical cuck who refuses to blame that vicious bloodthirsty religion. The Balkans in the 90s was a sign of things to come.

An utterly grim idea. Every person who puts Sharia law above the state law, or wants Islamic law to be the law in any European country has no reason to remain in Europe imo. As illiberal as that may sound, they should make the choice imo. Fuck religions.

Eilzel wrote:An utterly grim idea. Every person who puts Sharia law above the state law, or wants Islamic law to be the law in any European country has no reason to remain in Europe imo. As illiberal as that may sound, they should make the choice imo. Fuck religions.

You were more than happy to spread your ass for Islam when you thought it would help you stick 2 fingers up to the right.

accusing people of islamophobia when we were warning this would happen.

Now you're not so happy to sleep with the enemy??

Chickens coming home to roost and people like you are to blame

The Puzzler wrote:
Macron is a typical cuck who refuses to blame that vicious bloodthirsty religion. The Balkans in the 90s was a sign of things to come.

You're an ignorant nazi dick...

Did you even read the O/P ???

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:An utterly grim idea. Every person who puts Sharia law above the state law, or wants Islamic law to be the law in any European country has no reason to remain in Europe imo. As illiberal as that may sound, they should make the choice imo. Fuck religions.

You were more than happy to spread your ass for Islam when you thought it would help you stick 2 fingers up to the right.

accusing people of islamophobia when we were warning this would happen.

Now you're not so happy to sleep with the enemy??

Chickens coming home to roost and people like you are to blame

Fuck off back to Africa, Smelly'...

You lying little prick..

You would be one of the first to sell Britain out to your neo-nazi masters.

Eilzel wrote:
An utterly grim idea. Every person who puts Sharia law above the state law, or wants Islamic law to be the law in any European country has no reason to remain in Europe imo. As illiberal as that may sound, they should make the choice imo. Fuck religions.

I agree, in principle,  Eilzel...

1.5% of French are Muslim...
30% of them are considered "radical".

As for a small number of French academics who are willing to bend over backwards to kiss the arses of that intolerant and authoritarian 0.5% of the population, France should round them up and ship them out to somewhere like Algeria, or maybe the Muraroa Atoll..

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:
An utterly grim idea. Every person who puts Sharia law above the state law, or wants Islamic law to be the law in any European country has no reason to remain in Europe imo. As illiberal as that may sound, they should make the choice imo. Fuck religions.

I agree, in principle,  Eilzel...

1.5% of French are Muslim...
30% of them are considered "radical".

As for a small number of French academics who are willing to bend over backwards to kiss the arses of that intolerant and authoritarian 0.5% of the population, France should round them up and ship them out to somewhere like Algeria, or maybe the Muraroa Atoll..

I certainly wouldn't wish for all to leave, wolfie, only those opposed to western values and ways of living.

And yes, the so-called intellectuals who agree with the suggeation should do one, too

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:An utterly grim idea. Every person who puts Sharia law above the state law, or wants Islamic law to be the law in any European country has no reason to remain in Europe imo. As illiberal as that may sound, they should make the choice imo. Fuck religions.

You were more than happy to spread your ass for Islam when you thought it would help you stick 2 fingers up to the right.

accusing people of islamophobia when we were warning this would happen.

Now you're not so happy to sleep with the enemy??

Chickens coming home to roost and people like you are to blame

Another mindless rant. I don't think I've often if ever referred explicitly to 'Islamophobia'. My opposition here is not even to Islam or Muslims generally, but to Muslims who would supplant our laws with their own archaic ones.

Any criticism of you and others on other sites is something I stand by. Your relentless hate toward all Muslims is as vicious as any backward views held by some Muslims.

Eilzel wrote:An utterly grim idea. Every person who puts Sharia law above the state law, or wants Islamic law to be the law in any European country has no reason to remain in Europe imo. As illiberal as that may sound, they should make the choice imo. Fuck religions.

Ahhh, but now you see the point i made years ago Eil.....you dont and cant, know who these "religious" persons are, so what we gonna do? chuck em all out?

well wolfie...talking nicely to em aint gonna work
Nor is being nice to em
Nor is "making allowances"
or "respecting cultural sensitivities"

Lord Foul wrote:

Eilzel wrote:An utterly grim idea. Every person who puts Sharia law above the state law, or wants Islamic law to be the law in any European country has no reason to remain in Europe imo. As illiberal as that may sound, they should make the choice imo. Fuck religions.

Ahhh, but now you see the point i made years ago Eil.....you dont and cant, know who these "religious" persons are, so what we gonna do? chuck em all out?

That's one of the things that separates the rational from the more extreme elements of the Right. I acknowledge dealing with those fundamentalists head on is difficult but extreme measures are not on.

People and their views can and do change. I don't ever see Muslims ever managing to over turn any liberal laws in the UK. I do see more becoming more liberal minded themselves as years go by.

Eilzel wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

Eilzel wrote:An utterly grim idea. Every person who puts Sharia law above the state law, or wants Islamic law to be the law in any European country has no reason to remain in Europe imo. As illiberal as that may sound, they should make the choice imo. Fuck religions.

Ahhh, but now you see the point i made years ago Eil.....you dont and cant, know who these "religious" persons are, so what we gonna do? chuck em all out?

That's one of the things that separates the rational from the more extreme elements of the Right. I acknowledge dealing with those fundamentalists head on is difficult but extreme measures are not on.

People and their views can and do change. I don't ever see Muslims ever managing to over turn any liberal laws in the UK. I do see more becoming more liberal minded themselves as years go by.

what I see is more being prepared to tell porkies about where they stand viz their "loyalty"

Shariia "law" cannot be enforced' in countries like Britain, Australia or the USA... To get around that simple fact, those Islamic communities wanting to use "sharia" are resorting to contract law in regards to marriage and property rights (which also means that things like polygamy and 'child brides' aren't permissable -- as they remain illegal under common laws, and 'contract law' doesn't trump a country's legislated laws..).

It is far-right/neo-nazi scaremongering that claims otherwise --  and their gullible followers who keep on claiming so..

Allowances do not need to be made for cultural "sensitivities" that cross over basic legal rights and protections  --  accepting cultural differences doesn't mean kowtowing to illegal and immoral and criminal acts.

Britain and France got it wrong with the fascists and nazis during the 1930s;  and some politicians, judiciary and intellectuals are again choosing to deliberately get it wrong with both the Islamist and fascist extremists nowadays..

Eilzel wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

You were more than happy to spread your ass for Islam when you thought it would help you stick 2 fingers up to the right.

accusing people of islamophobia when we were warning this would happen.

Now you're not so happy to sleep with the enemy??

Chickens coming home to roost and people like you are to blame

Another mindless rant. I don't think I've often if ever referred explicitly to 'Islamophobia'. My opposition here is not even to Islam or Muslims generally, but to Muslims who would supplant our laws with their own archaic ones.

Any criticism of you and others on other sites is something I stand by. Your relentless hate toward all Muslims is as vicious as any backward views held by some Muslims.

youre quite stupid arent you??? and a liar.

probably why you haven't understood the arguments ive made over the years

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

You were more than happy to spread your ass for Islam when you thought it would help you stick 2 fingers up to the right.

accusing people of islamophobia when we were warning this would happen.

Now you're not so happy to sleep with the enemy??

Chickens coming home to roost and people like you are to blame

Another mindless rant. I don't think I've often if ever referred explicitly to 'Islamophobia'. My opposition here is not even to Islam or Muslims generally, but to Muslims who would supplant our laws with their own archaic ones.

Any criticism of you and others on other sites is something I stand by. Your relentless hate toward all Muslims is as vicious as any backward views held by some Muslims.

youre quite stupid arent you??? and a liar.

probably why you haven't understood the arguments ive made over the years  

Firstly, to note, I don't take you seriously.

That in mind, I have little shame raising the following point:

If you are going to call me stupid, at least do so while using appropriate punctuation. Otherwise I'm being called stupid by one who doesn't even hide his idiocy. And that simply won't do.

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Original Quill wrote:Re: the thread title.  

I predicted the end of the two-state solution when Netanyahu was reelected in 2015.  In his interview with NRG news website, PM Benjamin Netanyahu was asked whether no Palestinian state would emerge if he remains Israel’s leader.  “Indeed,” he replied.

Mr. Netanyahu effectively confirmed that as long as he remains Israel’s prime minister he won’t allow the creation of a Palestinian state. The words came a day before the parliamentary election.

To realize only now that the Divided States' attempts to negotiate a peace were rigged, is too little/too late.  They've always been rigged.

That's a beautiful thing Quill

but this thread is about the growing divide growing in Europe, which could escalate to a situation like that of Israel and the terrorist state of Palestine.

I predicted this along time ago, I always said that unless Muslims. Were kept under control we would end up in self imposed apartheid and continent wide conflict

smelly-bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:  

I predicted the end of the two-state solution when Netanyahu was reelected in 2015.  In his interview with NRG news website, PM Benjamin Netanyahu was asked whether no Palestinian state would emerge if he remains Israel’s leader.  “Indeed,” he replied.

Mr. Netanyahu effectively confirmed that as long as he remains Israel’s prime minister he won’t allow the creation of a Palestinian state. The words came a day before the parliamentary election.

To realize only now that the Divided States' attempts to negotiate a peace were rigged, is too little/too late.  They've always been rigged.

That's a beautiful thing Quill

but this thread is about the growing divide growing in Europe, which could escalate to a situation like that of Israel and the terrorist state of Palestine.

I predicted this along time ago, I always said that unless Muslims. Were kept under control we would end up in self imposed apartheid and continent wide conflict

I realize that, and I meant to post on the other thread. I'm moving the post over there now.

Eilzel wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

youre quite stupid arent you??? and a liar.

probably why you haven't understood the arguments ive made over the years  

Firstly, to note, I don't take you seriously.

That in mind, I have little shame raising the following point:

If you are going to call me stupid, at least do so while using appropriate punctuation. Otherwise I'm being called stupid by one who doesn't even hide his idiocy. And that simply won't do.

Matthew 7:6

the reason i don't bother with "appropriate punctuation" is because you're simply not worth it (don't believe the adverts elizel, you're not worth it).

anyway, back to the thread.

you're whining about what ive been warning you about for years now.

did i not proclaim loudly that Muslims were taking over parts of Europe??

yes i did, loudly and frequently.

what was the universal response??? (including you)

ISLAMOPHOBE!!!!!

Britain first, what are they protesting against?? same thing you are - the islamification of Britain, but in principle the protest extends to all of Europe.

suddenly all those meany wascist iswamophobic groups you keep screeching about are actually the ones fighting the cause you have just taken up.

No. Because they would go to far. Plus, the pleasure expressed at the deaths of Muslims by you and others, the idea they should all leave, is NOT something I support at all.

What a "shit-for-brains" fearmongering dunce Smelly' is proving to be...

All that Smelly, Deano and their comrades have been doing is parroting the claims of various neo-nazi, fascist and alt.right hate sites over the years..

And now here's Smelly' claiming to be the author/creator of those "prophecies" !

Priceless..