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Even though most people in this country are overweight or obese, I constantly felt pressured to change when I was fat.

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I'm not just talking about the scornful looks from folks in public, or the occasional comment from my mom about my health. It was more subtle than that. There's a pervasive, generally unspoken message that comes from movies, television, advertisements, video games–everywhere, really. Have you noticed that the fat guy, for example, rarely "gets the girl" or plays the leading role in anything other than comedies? "Well why would he?" you might ask. "She's probably not attracted to him–seeing as he's obviously let himself go. And he'd look silly dressed as Spider-Man."
But that's exactly it!

As a fat person, you get the message loud and clear: what you are, what you look like, everything about you, it's not okay. The people on the screens who go for adventures, fall in love, save the world–they aren't like you. They're better. Thinner. But you can play a supporting role as someone else's comedic relief or prissy friend, if you want. That was never good enough for me. I hated being fat. I thought of myself as the thin, athletic guy that I was back in high school; but whenever I looked in the mirror, the damn thing showed me the wrong person. And when I went shopping, anything under size 40 to 42 was too tight. I wore dark colors to hide my bulging midsection, tugged on the bottom of my shirt whenever I stood up, and sucked in my stomach if an attractive woman was nearby.

I knew I needed to change.

But there's another message that was targeted at me: one which says "exercise will make you lose weight." You see thin people walking around in their gym clothes; see the advertisements that feature models running, cycling, lifting weights, doing whatever; and you flip through the channels only to hear Jillian Michaels or some other snake-oil salesman hawking diet pills or shouting like a drill sergeant to work harder and sweat off that weight. I later learned that weight loss begins and ends in the kitchen, but I didn't know this at the time.

So I tried running.

There's a one-mile stretch of road near my mother's house with a good hill at the end. It seemed like a reasonable place to start: sparse traffic, no other runners, no threats of people staring or watching. I laced up a pair of running shoes I purchased a few years earlier, put on some baggy gym shorts and an oversized, cotton t-shirt, and began the first day of my new life.

Or at least that's what I thought it was going to be.

After about twenty seconds, I had to stop and catch my breath. My sides ached as if my lungs had been torn open, sweat poured down my face, and my legs felt weak and rubbery. My entire body felt slow. Heavy.
I was dumbfounded. I used to run back in high school to stay in shape for wrestling and motocross racing, and during my first year with Teach For America, I ran around the track at the gym in-between racquetball games. I'd gained a lot of weight, had a few too many drinks, and spent a lot of time in front of a screen, but still…it wasn't supposed it be like that.

I toughed it out and made it back home. And to my credit, I did continue to run on and off for a few more weeks. But one missed day turned into two, and before I knew it, three or four weeks had gone by without doing anything.
And once you've waited that long, what's one more day, right?

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Lots to read on this, is very interesting

by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:01 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
didge wrote:

So you do not believe me, well why change the habbit of a lifetime rags

But then you are a religious freak anyway,. so I am not going to be concerned over your not doing so

You're a perverted, psychotic freak, so no, I don't believe what you say.

And you are a chavvy skank

Laughing

by Raggamuffin Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:02 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Some ladies have to be careful of course - unless they're wearing a bra made of steel.

tell me about it....boing boing boing

mind you ...some of the blokes I've seen could use one as well

Jogging probably encourages jowls as well, and nobody wants those. Laughing

by Raggamuffin Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:03 pm

didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You're a perverted, psychotic freak, so no, I don't believe what you say.

And you are a chavvy skank

You're a lying pervert - always banging on about school girls and wanting them to wear short skirts so you can perve at them.

by Raggamuffin Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:04 pm

In fact, a fat person shouldn't go out running - too much stress on their knees.

by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:04 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
didge wrote:

And you are a chavvy skank

You're a lying pervert - always banging on about school girls and wanting them to wear short skirts so you can perve at them.

Wow so now making further childish insinuations

That just sums you up Rags

I shall leave others to see that for itself

You always fuck up

by Raggamuffin Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:05 pm

didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You're a lying pervert - always banging on about school girls and wanting them to wear short skirts so you can perve at them.

Wow so now making further childish insinuations

That just sums you up Rags

I shall leave others to see that for itself

You always fuck up

Like I care with "others" think. Our Society Fundamentally Misunderstands The Role Of Exercise. We've Learned To Hate What We Love Read more at - Page 3 2108625937

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by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:06 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
didge wrote:

Wow so now making further childish insinuations

That just sums you up Rags

I shall leave others to see that for itself

You always fuck up

Like I care with "others" think.

You normally do all the time and have a hissy fit because you claim victimhood over being harassed

That has to be the funniest fake load of bull everyone sees from you

But like I say your words just have proven what a vile person you are to even suggest that

I am happy that you did as well, because it shows you always go to far, because you are obsessed with hating others

Sad really

by Raggamuffin Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:07 pm

didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Like I care with "others" think.

You normally do all the time and have a hissy fit because you claim victimhood over being harassed

That has to be the funniest fake load of bull everyone sees from you

But like I say your words just have proven what a vile person you are to even suggest that

I am happy that you did as well, because it shows you always go to far, because you are obsessed with hating others

Sad really

You're the one having a hissy fit and reporting posts for no reason - like you did earlier in this thread. Laughing

It's nearly time for your next flounce. lol!

by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:08 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
didge wrote:

You normally do all the time and have a hissy fit because you claim victimhood over being harassed

That has to be the funniest fake load of bull everyone sees from you

But like I say your words just have proven what a vile person you are to even suggest that

I am happy that you did as well, because it shows you always go to far, because you are obsessed with hating others

Sad really

You're the one having a hissy fit and reporting posts for no reason - like you did earlier in this thread. It's nearly time for your next flounce.

I never reported anything, ask the Mods

Laughing

Anyway all can see what you insinuated

Really shows you up Rags, and I am happy with that

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:09 pm

an american site but ..... http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/many-calories-average-male-need-day-5165.html

Active Men

Active men ages 19 and older need an average of 2,400 to 3,000 calories per day to maintain a healthy body weight, according to the USDA (See Reference 1 Page 14). Active older men require fewer calories than younger men who lead the same type of active lifestyle. Male athletes who engage in vigorous physical activity, especially endurance sports, more than the average active man can require more than 3,000 calories per day. Iowa State University’s Estimated Calorie Needs Calculator, which uses the Mifflin Equation, can help determine your individualized calorie needs based on your specific workout regimen.

now THAT is per day (24 hrs) during which SIGNIFICANT physical work is being done for prolonged periods (think for instance of a manual labourer (hod carrier say))

.

given that you need about 1600 calories a day to maintain your "zero state" basal metabolism

(ie the ultimate "couch potato")

even the hapless hod carrier only uses a further 1400 calories a day doing his prolonged hard work

and you recon you "burn twice (at least) that amount in just over an hour????

by Raggamuffin Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:10 pm

didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You're the one having a hissy fit and reporting posts for no reason - like you did earlier in this thread. It's nearly time for your next flounce.

I never reported anything, ask the Mods

Anyway all can see what you insinuated

Really shows you up Rags, and I am happy with that

So you lied - again. No surprise there ... Our Society Fundamentally Misunderstands The Role Of Exercise. We've Learned To Hate What We Love Read more at - Page 3 3489511464

Our Society Fundamentally Misunderstands The Role Of Exercise. We've Learned To Hate What We Love Read more at - Page 3 3489511464

by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:10 pm

Lord Foul wrote:an american site but .....

Active Men

Active men ages 19 and older need an average of 2,400 to 3,000 calories per day to maintain a healthy body weight, according to the USDA (See Reference 1 Page 14). Active older men require fewer calories than younger men who lead the same type of active lifestyle. Male athletes who engage in vigorous physical activity, especially endurance sports, more than the average active man can require more than 3,000 calories per day. Iowa State University’s Estimated Calorie Needs Calculator, which uses the Mifflin Equation, can help determine your individualized calorie needs based on your specific workout regimen.

now THAT is per day (24 hrs) during which SIGNIFICANT physical work is being done for prolonged periods (think for instance of a manual labourer (hod carrier say))

.

given that you need about 1600 calories a day to maintain your "zero state" basal metabolism

(ie the ultimate "couch potato")

even the hapless hod carrier only uses a further 1400 calories a day doing his prolonged hard work

and you recon you "burn twice (at least) that amount in just over an hour????

There you go average

that is your bench mark

Hence flawed again as you do not know me and what my body is capable of

Again this is why people like you are doing make poor claims.

Again are you claiming its impossible and you even have not asked what other excercize I am doing

Believe what you want Victor, I know what my body can do

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:14 pm

actually...I did.....
(ask if you were doing something else)

even so...

I dont see you doing the equivalent and more of, say, 6 hours hod carrying......

sure you aint got a tape worm???? or two......

by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:16 pm

Lord Foul wrote:actually...I did.....
(ask if you were doing something else)

even so...

I dont see you doing the equivalent and more of, say, 6 hours hod carrying......

sure you aint got a tape worm???? or two......

And I said i am doing other excercize

Again your bench mark is flawed

Its based on a standard average measure

Then you end with a pathetic immature comment

Wow speaks volumes

by Raggamuffin Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:25 pm

There are also people who believe that you can "spot reduce" - ie, that you can turn fat into muscle in a particular place. Load of old rubbish.

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:37 pm

didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:actually...I did.....
(ask if you were doing something else)

even so...

I dont see you doing the equivalent and more of, say, 6 hours hod carrying......

sure you aint got a tape worm???? or two......

And I said i am doing other excercize

Again your bench mark is flawed

Its based on a standard average measure

Then you end with a pathetic immature comment

Wow speaks volumes

didge suffers humour failure......

and.....whilst I would agree that it is based on "average figures"

there is such a thing as standard deviations and beyond that exceptional cases....

and then there are cases which quite frankly are so statistically unlikely as to become a vanishing point......

and THEN there are claims which ..if proven true would turn the world of (in this case) medical science on its head.....Yes people vary...quite widely actually....

but there are limits beyond which life becomes compromised......

lets look at this again...

you are NOT as you originally inferred losing 7lbs a week merely walking 5 miles a day...that is impossible....\if that was the case your body would be 90% less efficient (as an energy converter) than any other living creature on the planet....(beause you would be using far more energy doing that task than anything else)

therefor you are doing something else

FINE

the proble still is that to loose that anount of weight you need to use/not take in about 3500 calories....

which means that you must be both dieting severely AND excercising heavily....

thats fine....for a very limited period......beyond which you risk permanent damage......

I dont care HOW "exceptional" you THINK you are.....you aint.....you are Mr mortal...like the rest of use fleshies

NOW the additional danger is ...weight lost THAT rapidly is just as easily regained.......
time and time again , medical advice has been given that "crash programs" ultimately fail.....

MUCH better is a steady slow loss....

I went from 17 st down to 14 st (and am bloody stuck there grrrr) over a period of 18 months.....

(mind I've been 14 st since the age of 16 ...and not much of it fat ...at least not visible ....)
I was heavily built and have bones like a dinosaur.....never so much as a crack ..let alone break...and I've fell out of trees, off motorbikes down scree slopes, off ladders...
the usual stuff you know

I balloned to 17 st when the arthritis hit, due to inactivity...

so I just ate a bit less...and cut sugar out of my tea (I used to sup tea with two spoons of sugar affraid

and now I'm back to 14 st.

so now I'm a bit over weight

apparantly my "IDEAL weight" is 11 st...according to someones "chart"

my DOC says ...If I even think of getting down to that he'll have me put down......
HE recons...with my "build" 13 st would be plenty low enough and 14st isnt "life threatening"

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by Raggamuffin Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:39 pm

A lot of weight which is lost at the start of a diet is water anyway.

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:41 pm

depends on the diet ragga....

by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:41 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
didge wrote:

And I said i am doing other excercize

Again your bench mark is flawed

Its based on a standard average measure

Then you end with a pathetic immature comment

Wow speaks volumes

didge suffers humour failure......

I balloned to 17 st when the arthritis hit, due to inactivity...

so I just ate a bit less...and cut sugar out of my tea (I used to sup tea with two spoons of sugar
and now I'm back to 14 st.

so now I'm a bit over weight

apparantly my "IDEAL weight" is 11 st...according to someones "chart"

my DOC says ...If I even think of getting down to that he'll have me put down......
HE recons...with my "build" 13 st would be plenty low enough and 14st isnt "life threatening"

Your answer is like robotic

It again goes off a based average standard

hence again flawed

I do not thing such things are funny, so that is not a sense of humour failure, I just simply found it poor

Again you do not know what my body is capable of and continue to claim as you are doing is not going to change that

Understand?

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:42 pm

but yes ..in as much as, when fat is metabolised one of the "by products" is indeed water.....

by Raggamuffin Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:42 pm

I just think that people either believe Didge or they don't. I don't.

by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:43 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I just think that people either believe Didge or they don't. I don't.

Which you have every right to do so so rags

I dont generally believe most of the things others say, so I am not worried if you do not

by Raggamuffin Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:46 pm

Lord Foul wrote:but yes ..in as much as, when fat is metabolised one of the "by products" is indeed water.....

I think the initial water loss is to do with glycogen stores.

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:48 pm

didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:
didge wrote:

And I said i am doing other excercize

Again your bench mark is flawed

Its based on a standard average measure

Then you end with a pathetic immature comment

Wow speaks volumes

didge suffers humour failure......

I balloned to 17 st when the arthritis hit, due to inactivity...

so I just ate a bit less...and cut sugar out of my tea (I used to sup tea with two spoons of sugar
and now I'm back to 14 st.

so now I'm a bit over weight

apparantly my "IDEAL weight" is 11 st...according to someones "chart"

my DOC says ...If I even think of getting down to that he'll have me put down......
HE recons...with my "build" 13 st would be plenty low enough and 14st isnt "life threatening"

Your answer is like robotic

It again goes off a based average standard

hence again flawed

I do not thing such things are funny, so that is not a sense of humour failure, I just simply found it poor

Again you do not know what my body is capable of and continue to claim as you are doing is not going to change that

Understand?

again...what i DO know is that you are NOT a superhuman....(and I'm fairly sure you atre not an alien)

what you wish to do is up to you...

I didnt say you CANT loose 7 lbs a week....

I said its ill advised.....for a number of very good reasons

there are plenty lying cold and stiff in their graves that thought like you.....

who's epitaphs should read

"its only a scratch"

"I know what i'm capable of"

"I'm immune to that"

etc.....

but hey...its your corpse old bean........

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:51 pm

thing is I am fairly sure didge is just daft enough to do something like this...

what I dont beleive is that he is half as immortal as he thinks he is.......

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by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:52 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
didge wrote:

Your answer is like robotic

It again goes off a based average standard

hence again flawed

I do not thing such things are funny, so that is not a sense of humour failure, I just simply found it poor

Again you do not know what my body is capable of and continue to claim as you are doing is not going to change that

Understand?

again...what i DO know is that you are NOT a superhuman....(and I'm fairly sure you atre not an alien)

what you wish to do is up to you...

I didnt say you CANT loose 7 lbs a week....

I said its ill advised.....for a number of very good reasons

there are plenty lying cold and stiff in their graves that thought like you.....

who's epitaphs should read

"its only a scratch"

"I know what i'm capable of"

"I'm immune to that"

etc.....

but hey...its your corpse old bean........

And I know you are no expert and have zero capacity and knowledge medically

Again believe what you like

Its irrelevant if you do not believe me
]
Again I know what my body is capable of

You certainly do not

So you can continue to post up your unsubstantiated claims all you like

Its not going to change thew fact I have, is it?

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:52 pm

moderation in all things.....even the "healthy things"

by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:53 pm

Lord Foul wrote:thing is I am fairly sure didge is just daft enough to do something like this...

what I dont beleive is that he is half as immortal as he thinks he is.......

perhaps he doesnt want to live to be 100

Daft now, and who are you to judge based on common sense?

When you find that medal then come back and tell me

Until then I shall treat you now like a cretin

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:02 pm

the point is....

we shall see...

in a years time tell us if you have managed to keep that weight off...personally I dont see it.....

and dont go beyond a limit.....

as I said you ...almost anyone in good nick...can sustain such a RATE of loss IN THE SHORT TERM

obviously in the short term such losses can be sustained, without serious consequences....as many survivors of disasters can attest to

it is a given that in any survival situation you can last about
3 days without water

3 weeks without food

if you are reasonably fit to begin with....

like I said I am contemplating such an action this summer in order to try to blast my diabetes.....
UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION (becasue I'm Diabetic...I'd look a right tit if the cells started working AND i kept taking the tablets I'm on.....possibly a dead tit at that)

but do as you like....

just dont haunt me for not warning you

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:04 pm

didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:thing is I am fairly sure didge is just daft enough to do something like this...

what I dont beleive is that he is half as immortal as he thinks he is.......

perhaps he doesnt want to live to be 100

Daft now, and who are you to judge based on common sense?

When you find that medal then come back and tell me

Until then I shall treat you now like a cretin

yes didge...DAFT

because

there are better ways, safer and more certain....

what are you REALLY trying to do?

loose weight? well if its necessary then great

otherwise what is it...trying to prove how "hard" you are....

thats just....well .......daft.........

by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:05 pm

I have always kept generally fit all my life, its harder after 40 and for the firts few months this year have been slack, but again for you to tell me what my body can do is nothing short of a joke Victor. If I needed your advice I would ask for it and have no problem doing so, but not here when you have no comprehension of what my body can do.
I am not trying to obtain to live to a hundred either, as I live every day as it comes enjoying it to the full.
So thanks for your advice its not needed on this issue and neither will I ever need it thanks as I am sure I am far more in better shape than you are.

by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:07 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
didge wrote:

Daft now, and who are you to judge based on common sense?

When you find that medal then come back and tell me

Until then I shall treat you now like a cretin

yes didge...DAFT

because

there are better ways, safer and more certain....

what are you REALLY trying to do?

loose weight? well if its necessary then great

otherwise what is it...trying to prove how "hard" you are....

thats just....well .......daft.........

So you claim, I say otherwise where again you hold this deluded view you now understand each individual body

You do not

I come from a family of long distance runners and race walkers

Considering you have provably done neither, you are again in no position to say again otheriwse

When i want your advice i ask for it, here i certainly do not need bad advice as you are offering

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:14 pm

tell me that when you get to my age didge ...I have 20 years on you.....

and can you walk 40 miles with a 30lb pack??? in one session?

untill this bloody arthritis struck...I could...over weight at 14 st or not....AND at that time i was smoking 20 a day

(I'm off the fags now and vaping...and feel fanbloody tastic)

now I dunno how far I could walk before one or other joint decided to seize up....
some days not far at all......

so dont YOU judge how fit you are in relation to me....unfortunately, the arthritis precludes me taking you yomping over the cumbrian mountains.....you might just learn a lesson on that.... Razz

answer me this....

do you work out regularly...or do you "binge workout"

by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:16 pm

Lord Foul wrote:tell me that when you get to my age didge ...I have 20 years on you.....

and can you walk 40 miles with a 30lb pack??? in one session?

untill this bloody arthritis struck...I could...over weight at 14 st or not....AND at that time i was smoking 20 a day

(I'm off the fags now and vaping...and feel fanbloody tastic)

now I dunno how far I could walk before one or other joint decided to seize up....
some days not far at all......

so dont YOU judge how fit you are in relation to me....unfortunately, the arthritis precludes me taking you yomping over the cumbrian mountains.....you might just learn a lesson on that....

answer me this....

do you work out regularly...or do you "binge workout"

Easily walk that in one session, again did you miss the part about how we are all long distance runners and race walkers

Would no doubt leave you puffing behind me

Easily a hundred times fitter than some haggered old boy who no doubt spots a flabby belly

Again what did you miss that I do generally stay fit?

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:33 pm

didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:
didge wrote:

Daft now, and who are you to judge based on common sense?

When you find that medal then come back and tell me

Until then I shall treat you now like a cretin

yes didge...DAFT

because

there are better ways, safer and more certain....

what are you REALLY trying to do?

loose weight? well if its necessary then great

otherwise what is it...trying to prove how "hard" you are....

thats just....well .......daft.........

So you claim, I say otherwise where again you hold this deluded view you now understand each individual body

You do not

I come from a family of long distance runners and race walkers

and???

so you are claiming some sort of genetic inheritence then.... meh...ok....thats possible...but it doesnt make you "superhuman" even the best athletes hardly have metabolisms that are super exceptional....

Considering you have provably done neither, you are again in no position to say again otheriwse

Never been a runner...done a few "fell walking races" (NOT "fell running...bugger that), and a shed load of orienteering
my forte is walking...and walking and.....(endurance walking) and cycling (someone once told me walking and cycling involved the same muscle groups never looked into that I have to say...but it wouldnt surprise me)

When i want your advice i ask for it, here i certainly do not need bad advice as you are offering

the thing is didge...the advice ISNT bad...the evidence "out there" says so. Ask almost ANY credible doctor/nutritionist/EVEN most knowlegable fitness instructors will tell you the same.......

Crash programs CAN in some cases, be of benefit but in general they are NOT good, and in MOST cases there are better and safer alternatives...

I mean...I can understand at 40 your need to acheive that "beach body"......after a winter of indulgence.....the midlife crisis can be terrible for some......

by Guest Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:37 pm

Never claimed any such genetic inheritance, just the fact we are all runners and race walkers and also very good at it.

I have no midlife crisis, I just have been lack of late and hence why when I go back into fitness, I go in hard and fast, as my body can take it

Again I do not need your advice on something you have no idea about what my body can do, I just feel better within myself when keeping fit

Not concerned at to what age I reach, if that is important to you, then that is your issue not mine, as I enjoy life to the full

by Victorismyhero Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:11 am

didge wrote:Never claimed any such genetic inheritance, just the fact we are all runners and race walkers and also very good at it.

which is reasonable evidence to initially suppose a genetic trait.....

I have no midlife crisis,( you are kidding me........ right?) I just have been lack of late and hence why when I go back into fitness, I go in hard and fast, as my body can take it

for now....all I'm saying is dont "over do it" you WILL learn that as you get older (and it IS downhill from 40) what you once could handle is no longer such a bright idea....

you CAN acheive the same end point, albeit over slightly longer time span, by being somewhat "gentler" on your body systems.....(not talking about muscles here...yeah go on give em some hammer ) Its all very well having a 6 pack abs whatever and snuffing it becasue 10 years ago you wrecked your kidneys overdoing the starvation diet (and yes...thats a "possible consequence of "overdoing it" and you wont of necessity be aware of it at the time)

Again I do not need your advice on something you have no idea about what my body can do, I just feel better within myself when keeping fit

good....after all...thats the idea....

Not concerned at to what age I reach, if that is important to you, then that is your issue not mine, as I enjoy life to the full

All I'm saying is BE CAREFULL.....you may not be as impervious to harm as you think......you ARE, like it or not, taking a risk (which of course is yours to take)..it may well be a calculated risk ...fine....

just watch your salt balance (hint...taste a SINGLE crystal of salt....if there is any trace of sweetness in that taste you are short of salt....your perception of taste of salt changes if you are in need of it)

and considering the hammering you are giving your entire body system...get anti oxidants (vit E and C) down your neck either as suplements or in your diet.....(heavy excercise not only builds up muscles, but inevitably does some direct physical damage the result is "free radicles" burning fat heavily does the same....)

the upside of course is that your immune system should be in good shape.......

of course you ALSO risk turning into the excercise junkie, who needs "the burn" just like the nicotine addict needs his fix.......(endorphins and all that...)

mind...I suppose that better than self flaggellation with a spiked cat o nine tails affraid

(which has the same effect ...eventually.....)

by Victorismyhero Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:12 am

apparantly.......

by Guest Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:19 am

I have read, understood, digesting and accept your advice in the good nature it was sent and intended as.

Thank you

by Victorismyhero Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:24 am

I'd hate for you to snuff it mate...who else could I have a good natured scrap with Razz

by Guest Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:42 am

Lord Foul wrote:I'd hate for you to snuff it mate...who else could I have a good natured scrap with

Night Victor

by eddie Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:12 am

Lord Foul wrote:oh and eddie...jogging is fine ...if not over done and done on a soft surface

grass, damp (not wet) sand etc....

Its concrete and tarmac thats not good......

what gets me are the "office lunch break loons" jogging on tarmac, bright red in the face and sweating like pigs....becasue they are running in full summer sun at the hottest part of the day....

cue the heat exhaustion kit

then theyu proudly declare I lost 3 lbs on that run....

nope matey ...you didnt...what you DID do was sweat out 2 1/2 pints of water and you are now severely dehydrated.....you will almost certainly drink more than that to compensate.....and put that weight back on.....since its needed. If you DONT...by an effort of will....you will eventually have a heart attack or your kidneys will pack in....as your salt balance collapses

Agree with your whole post except that joggers burn fat and muscle too
That's why you always see skinny runners with no muscle.

Weight bearing exercise is far better for health, building and maintaining muscle and maintaining and/or losing weight.

I have read tons and tons and used to live in this world of exercise and fitness (bored the pants off me eventually) but I know what I'm talking about Vic

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