Watch this North Carolina hospital volunteer have a complete freakout over a visiting black family

On a  video uploaded to YouTube, a volunteer at a North Carolina hospital is seen going on a shrieking rampage and telling a black family to get out while kicking at them. According to WNCN, Isaiah Baskins uploaded the video after he took his daughter to an appointment at Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center where he encountered the unidentified woman who worked as a volunteer there. Baskins states that the woman called him a “n*gger” before telling him to leave as he took out his phone to record the encounter. As the video begins, the woman is seen on the phone asking some one to “get these people out of here.”

With Baskins asking her what her problem is — and whether she is “off her medicine” — the woman loses control and begins shrieking at the family, complaining about the man’s gray underwear coming out of the top of his pants.

She then grabs at the cellphone while hollering “get out of here!” as she kicks him him and calls him a “dirty old tramp.”

Another man steps in saying he’s trying to “defuse the situation” before ruefully stating, “Something is wrong with her.”

A spokesperson for the hospital apologized and said the woman is no longer a volunteer there.

Watch the video below via YouTube:





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For some reason after watching that it made me think of the the original "Exorcist" movie

It's nothing out of the ordinary. A typical North Carolinian...indeed, typical of all white southerners.  Where do you think Dylann Roof came from?

Well clearly the lady is not well. It's not really something to take the piss about - as people on You Tube are doing.

Raggamuffin wrote:Well clearly the lady is not well. It's not really something to take the piss about - as people on You Tube are doing.

Well it did not take long for someone to invent an excise for her behaviour.
I did not realise racism was now recognised as a mental health problem.

didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Well clearly the lady is not well. It's not really something to take the piss about - as people on You Tube are doing.

Well it did not take long for someone to invent an excise for her behaviour.
I did not realise racism was now recognised as a mental health problem.

It's a better explanation than the one some of the idiots on You Tube came up with.

Raggamuffin wrote:

didge wrote:


Well it did not take long for someone to invent an excise for her behaviour.
I did not realise racism was now recognised as a mental health problem.

It's a better explanation than the one some of the idiots on You Tube came up with.

How is an explanation born from zero evidence better than others found on youtube, when it seeks to excuse her behaviour?
The very fact you are using youtube comments as the marker to base on this story shows how far removed you are from even beginning to understand how her actions were utterly wrong. Your reasoning isnot off her actions but now over how people commented on another website, thus completely failing to not only condemn her for her actions, but even worse look to excuse her

didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's a better explanation than the one some of the idiots on You Tube came up with.

How is an explanation born from zero evidence better than others found on youtube, when it seeks to excuse her behaviour?
The very fact you are using youtube comments as the marker to base on this story shows how far removed you are from even beginning to understand how her actions were utterly wrong. Your reasoning isnot off her actions but now over how people commented on another website, thus completely failing to not only condemn her for her actions, but even worse look to excuse her

Not at all. I watched it, and it's my opinion that she was having some kind of breakdown.

Raggamuffin wrote:

didge wrote:


How is an explanation born from zero evidence better than others found on youtube, when it seeks to excuse her behaviour?
The very fact you are using youtube comments as the marker to base on this story shows how far removed you are from even beginning to understand how her actions were utterly wrong. Your reasoning isnot off her actions but now over how people commented on another website, thus completely failing to not only condemn her for her actions, but even worse look to excuse her

Not at all. I watched it, and it's my opinion that she was having some kind of breakdown.

Your opinion as seen looks to defend her actions based off some view to claim some medical problem, from an uneducated position to say otheriwse

Raggamuffin wrote:

didge wrote:


How is an explanation born from zero evidence better than others found on youtube, when it seeks to excuse her behaviour?
The very fact you are using youtube comments as the marker to base on this story shows how far removed you are from even beginning to understand how her actions were utterly wrong. Your reasoning isnot off her actions but now over how people commented on another website, thus completely failing to not only condemn her for her actions, but even worse look to excuse her

Not at all. I watched it, and it's my opinion that she was having some kind of breakdown.

But that is only because you have already realized her behavior is inexcusable.  To surrounding southerners, this is an excited woman...but with perfectly justified motive.

What if I could show you that this is quite typical of southern behavior.  Would you then admit how aberrant their attitudes are?  Take my example of Dylann Roof.  On his website he wrote:

Dylann Roof wrote:I have no choice. I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.

Don't you see the same victim posturing that we have with the woman in the Wake Forest Hospital?  She is the clear aggressor, yet she views herself as the victim.  This is a social illness with southerners.  

And...they are the ones who want to keep their guns. Indeed, they victim-posture when they accuse Obama, when he deplores violence like Sandy Hook, as trying to take away their weapons.  Scary.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Not at all. I watched it, and it's my opinion that she was having some kind of breakdown.

But that is only because you have already realized her behavior is inexcusable.  To surrounding southerners, this is an excited woman...but with perfectly justified motive.

What if I could show you that this is quite typical of southern behavior.  Would you then admit how aberrant their attitudes are?  Take my example of Dylann Roof.  On his website he wrote:

Dylann Roof wrote:I have no choice. I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.

Don't you see the same victim posturing that we have with the woman in the Wake Forest Hospital?  She is the clear aggressor, yet she views herself as the victim.  This is a social illness with southerners.  

And...they are the ones who want to keep their guns.  Indeed, they victim-posture when they accuse Obama, when he deplores violence like Sandy Hook, as trying to take away their weapons.  Scary.

Er no. She looks and sounds like she's having a breakdown to me. If people want to disagree, that's up to them, but I'm not going to be browbeaten into changing my opinion, and I'm perfectly capable of deciding what my opinion is without you telling me what it is.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

But that is only because you have already realized her behavior is inexcusable.  To surrounding southerners, this is an excited woman...but with perfectly justified motive.

What if I could show you that this is quite typical of southern behavior.  Would you then admit how aberrant their attitudes are?  Take my example of Dylann Roof.  On his website he wrote:



Don't you see the same victim posturing that we have with the woman in the Wake Forest Hospital?  She is the clear aggressor, yet she views herself as the victim.  This is a social illness with southerners.  

And...they are the ones who want to keep their guns.  Indeed, they victim-posture when they accuse Obama, when he deplores violence like Sandy Hook, as trying to take away their weapons.  Scary.

Er no. She looks and sounds like she's having a breakdown to me. If people want to disagree, that's up to them, but I'm not going to be browbeaten into changing my opinion, and I'm perfectly capable of deciding what my opinion is without you telling me what it is.

Again views that are based off no medical or psychology qualifications.
So you are not in a position to decide but in this instance invent an excuse for her
Is it actually possible her actions were based off hate?
Racial hate?

Raggamuffin wrote:Er no. She looks and sounds like she's having a breakdown to me. If people want to disagree, that's up to them, but I'm not going to be browbeaten into changing my opinion, and I'm perfectly capable of deciding what my opinion is without you telling me what it is.

Browbeating? It's simply called reasoning...sometimes it's hard, but only if you throw up your own barriers.

The point I'm making is that she is sounding almost precisely like those avowed criminals, who act on racial motives. That is, they see their motives are righteous, and themselves as victims.

If the positions were reversed, they would surely see the truth of the matter. But they don't recognize the equivalency because of a deep-seated racism: the black person is unequal from the start, to their way of thinking. Ergo: there can be no assumption of equivalency.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Er no. She looks and sounds like she's having a breakdown to me. If people want to disagree, that's up to them, but I'm not going to be browbeaten into changing my opinion, and I'm perfectly capable of deciding what my opinion is without you telling me what it is.

Browbeating?  It's simply called reasoning...sometimes it's hard, but only if you throw up your own barriers.

The point I'm making is that she is sounding almost precisely like those avowed criminals, who act on racial motives.  That is, they see their motives are righteous, and themselves as victims.  

If the positions were reversed, they would surely see the truth of the matter.  But they don't recognize the equivalency because of a deep-seated racism: the black person is unequal from the start, to their way of thinking.  Ergo: there can be no assumption of equivalency.

No - you told me what I thought. I'll decide what I think, and I think she's having a breakdown.

Well there you have it people, a new first
Racism is being excused off an invented new mental health problem

Well I've said what I think, and I also think that mocking the women is pathetic. Why it had to be on You Tube is a mystery - it seems that the hospital dealt with the situation. More attention seeking I suppose.

Raggamuffin wrote:Well I've said what I think, and I also think that mocking the women is pathetic. Why it had to be on You Tube is a mystery - it seems that the hospital dealt with the situation. More attention seeking I suppose.

That is the problem though, you are centering on and in fact even worse, trying to make her out to being some sort of victim here.
How she acted was wrong, period.

That's horrible.
The only people I have ever seen act like that are people with dementia when they get frustrated and totally lose it,

I appears obvious the ranter was a headbanger.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Browbeating?  It's simply called reasoning...sometimes it's hard, but only if you throw up your own barriers.

The point I'm making is that she is sounding almost precisely like those avowed criminals, who act on racial motives.  That is, they see their motives are righteous, and themselves as victims.  

If the positions were reversed, they would surely see the truth of the matter.  But they don't recognize the equivalency because of a deep-seated racism: the black person is unequal from the start, to their way of thinking.  Ergo: there can be no assumption of equivalency.

No - you told me what I thought. I'll decide what I think, and I think she's having a breakdown.

You're throwing up barriers. That's what avoiding is all about. If you didn't throw up artificial barriers, we could all have a discussion, which is what this forum is all about.

Syl wrote:That's horrible.
The only people I have ever seen act like that are people with dementia when they get frustrated and totally lose it,

An apt description: a whole society in a form of dementia.  The type of thinking exhibited by this woman is the whole problem with America, wrapped in a single package.  As I've said before, it begins with racism and then spreads throughout the south. It has infected the Republican Party through the vehicle of the southern strategy. This, then, leads to Donald Trump, and beyond.

Stormee wrote:I appears obvious the ranter was a headbanger.

One would think that to be a hospital volunteer a person would have to be reasonably calm and intelligent though, so if this behaviour just came out of the blue there is obviously something mentally wrong with her.

If she has acted like this in the past and not been videoed so has gotten away with it, questions need to be asked about the hospital allowing someone like her to volunteer.
She was screaming at the white woman as well as the black dad.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:That's horrible.
The only people I have ever seen act like that are people with dementia when they get frustrated and totally lose it,

An apt description: a whole society in a form of dementia.  The type of thinking exhibited by this woman is the whole problem with America, wrapped in a single package.  As I've said before, it begins with racism and then spreads throughout the south.  It has infected the Republican Party through the vehicle of the southern strategy.  This, then, leads to Donald Trump, and beyond.

Do you see this sort of behaviour often in America Quill?

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No - you told me what I thought. I'll decide what I think, and I think she's having a breakdown.

You're throwing up barriers.  That's what avoiding is all about.  If you didn't throw up artificial barriers, we could all have a discussion, which is what this forum is all about.

Let's discuss why this man chose to put such a distressing incident of a woman clearly having a breakdown on You Tube then. What do you think about that? Do you think that mentally ill people should be exposed in that manner so that people can mock them or abuse them?

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:
An apt description: a whole society in a form of dementia.  The type of thinking exhibited by this woman is the whole problem with America, wrapped in a single package.  As I've said before, it begins with racism and then spreads throughout the south.  It has infected the Republican Party through the vehicle of the southern strategy.  This, then, leads to Donald Trump, and beyond.

Do you see this sort of behaviour often in America Quill?

While Quill, Ben and I are living in very diverse regions of America; I'll go out on the limb and state --- within just 5 of our acquaintances we'll have known someone - that knows someone - that is exactly like that women displayed in that YouTube clip.  And these types of humans do garner a lot of media time for our news programs as well.

It's an ever growing reality; that having elected a bi-racial POTUS {twice} that the seething/butt boil has festered into a large-soon to erupt wound that needs a immediate remedy

I don't understand why people have to live their lives via YouTube and social media nowadays.
It's like nothing is validated unless the whole bloody world can judge and comment.

4EVER2 wrote:

Syl wrote:

Do you see this sort of behaviour often in America Quill?

While Quill, Ben and I are living in very diverse regions of America; I'll go out on the limb and state --- within just 5 of our acquaintances we'll have known someone - that knows someone - that is exactly like that women displayed in that YouTube clip.  And these types of humans do garner a lot of media time for our news programs as well.

It's an ever growing reality; that having elected a bi-racial POTUS {twice} that the seething/butt boil has festered into a large-soon to erupt wound that needs a immediate remedy

I suppose we have our own racist bigots here too....though I have never seen one up close.
Now and again we see(via YouTube) idiots on public transport spouting race hate against fellow travellers......I like to think they are few and far between though.

Syl wrote:I don't understand why people have to live their lives via YouTube and social media nowadays.
It's like nothing is validated unless the whole bloody world can judge and comment.

Exactly. The hospital clearly dealt with the incident, and the comments on You Tube are just silly, so the man obviously did it for attention. He should have just gone to get another staff member in the first place and asked them to sort it out rather than encourage the woman to carry on. I don't have much sympathy for him tbh.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

An apt description: a whole society in a form of dementia.  The type of thinking exhibited by this woman is the whole problem with America, wrapped in a single package.  As I've said before, it begins with racism and then spreads throughout the south.  It has infected the Republican Party through the vehicle of the southern strategy.  This, then, leads to Donald Trump, and beyond.

Do you see this sort of behaviour often in America Quill?

Yes...it's very typical of the South and race relations. The woman is obsessing over her sense of propriety when confronted with a black family, in a presumably white facility...the Wake Forest Baptist Hospital.

You've seen those "White Only" signs back in the day of segregation:



There is a whole script going on with that woman. It's called segregation. She believes she is right. It's written on the sky in her world. It's probably 90% of southern America.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

Do you see this sort of behaviour often in America Quill?

Yes...it's very typical of the South and race relations.  The woman is obsessing over her sense of propriety when confronted with a black family, in a presumably white facility...the Wake Forest Baptist Hospital.

You've seen those "White Only" signs back in the day of segregation:



There is a whole script going on with that woman.  It's called segregation.  She believes she is right.  It's written on the sky in her world.  It's probably 90% of southern America.

Seems parts of the USA are still stuck in the dark days of the 50's and early 60's re segregation.
Do people who act like this get arrested and charged?

Syl wrote:I don't understand why people have to live their lives via YouTube and social media nowadays.
It's like nothing is validated unless the whole bloody world can judge and comment.

I think there's a lot of good that comes of it. Look at how this clip has raised awareness, and provoked the discussion of southern racism all over the world. Same with Black Lives Matter.

And what's the alternative? Not knowing?

Syl wrote:That's horrible.
The only people I have ever seen act like that are people with dementia when they get frustrated and totally lose it,

Oh, WELLL...there's always other things that have been forwarded and passed around this 'INTERNET' world that has made such incidents like this recent YouTube...to be mild in comparison! 
This clip was from a TV reality show 'Wife Swap'; something my mother found highly entertaining and while these families earned a hefty check for participation there were some 'REAL SCREW LOOSE' humans that they filmed >>> 


And while this is a far - far cry from what REAL FAITH BASED humans behave and react...this WOMAN tore up her $50,000 dollars and then shortly after begged the producers to re-issue her a check.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Yes...it's very typical of the South and race relations.  The woman is obsessing over her sense of propriety when confronted with a black family, in a presumably white facility...the Wake Forest Baptist Hospital.

You've seen those "White Only" signs back in the day of segregation:



There is a whole script going on with that woman.  It's called segregation.  She believes she is right.  It's written on the sky in her world.  It's probably 90% of southern America.

Seems parts of the USA are still stuck in the dark days of the 50's and early 60's re segregation.
Do people who act like this get arrested and charged?

No, no...you don't understand. This is normalcy for them...and the southern society they live in. You saw the private police in the clip. They didn't see it as criminal behavior, either; they saw it only as an appropriate response, however carried to extreme.

Racism is "appropriate" in the South. It's not aberrant there. There would be nothing to arrest her for. But it's the whole package that is disturbing. Racism. Guns. White supremacy. Anti-female. Anti-hispanic. Everything that you would criticize America for comes from the south.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:
Seems parts of the USA are still stuck in the dark days of the 50's and early 60's re segregation.
Do people who act like this get arrested and charged?

No, no...you don't understand.  This is normalcy for them...and the southern society they live in.  You saw the private police in the clip.  They didn't see it as criminal behavior, either; they saw it only as an appropriate response, however carried to extreme.

Racism is "appropriate" in the South.  It's not aberrant there.  There would be nothing to arrest her for.  But it's the whole package that is disturbing.  Racism.  Guns.  White supremacy.  Anti-female.  Anti-hispanic.  Everything that you would criticize America for comes from the south.

You are right...I don't understand.
Only yesterday you told me your system was more 'civilised' than ours because people could use the courts to sort out disputes over cats....but it seems the US courts are useless in cases of blatant abusive discrimination as shown here.
The South IS part of America, so how the people act there reflects on the rest of the USA.

4EVER2 wrote:

Syl wrote:That's horrible.
The only people I have ever seen act like that are people with dementia when they get frustrated and totally lose it,

Oh, WELLL...there's always other things that have been forwarded and passed around this 'INTERNET' world that has made such incidents like this recent YouTube...to be mild in comparison! 
This clip was from a TV reality show 'Wife Swap'; something my mother found highly entertaining and while these families earned a hefty check for participation there were some 'REAL SCREW LOOSE' humans that they filmed >>> 


And while this is a far - far cry from what REAL FAITH BASED humans behave and react...this WOMAN tore up her $50,000 dollars and then shortly after begged the producers to re-issue her a check.

Jesus...I watched a couple of minutes of her and felt I was going mad myself.

Mind you...we do have Jeremy Kyle here, so I cant be too patronising over your TV shows.

 


I RECKON that loopy old crone's parents were probably too closely related before they got married...

THE CAROLINAS -- 'six finger country' from way back..

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

No, no...you don't understand.  This is normalcy for them...and the southern society they live in.  You saw the private police in the clip.  They didn't see it as criminal behavior, either; they saw it only as an appropriate response, however carried to extreme.

Racism is "appropriate" in the South.  It's not aberrant there.  There would be nothing to arrest her for.  But it's the whole package that is disturbing.  Racism.  Guns.  White supremacy.  Anti-female.  Anti-hispanic.  Everything that you would criticize America for comes from the south.

You are right...I don't understand.
Only yesterday you told me your system was more 'civilised' than ours because people could use the courts to sort out disputes over cats....but it seems the US courts are useless in cases of blatant abusive discrimination as shown here.
The South IS part of America, so how the people act there reflects on the rest of the USA.

But you see...between the locals standing around observing this and the local law enforcements reactions...the conscienses would have been---'awww that woman's having a REAL BAD DAY'---she would not be held for any public violations!  
And chances are good, that there aren't any LAWS that she violated---it's all subject to 'location-location-location'

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

No, no...you don't understand.  This is normalcy for them...and the southern society they live in.  You saw the private police in the clip.  They didn't see it as criminal behavior, either; they saw it only as an appropriate response, however carried to extreme.

Racism is "appropriate" in the South.  It's not aberrant there.  There would be nothing to arrest her for.  But it's the whole package that is disturbing.  Racism.  Guns.  White supremacy.  Anti-female.  Anti-hispanic.  Everything that you would criticize America for comes from the south.

You are right...I don't understand.
Only yesterday you told me your system was more 'civilised' than ours because people could use the courts to sort out disputes over cats....but it seems the US courts are useless in cases of blatant abusive discrimination as shown here.
The South IS part of America, so how the people act there reflects on the rest of the USA.

Fair point. In a normal, properly 'fair' system, resort to the courts would be the most civilized way to handle dispute resolution...I mean, as contrasted to one party having to 'suck it up', which is what you were holding onto. I still stand by the courts for America, particularly, perhaps only, in the north.

But notice I keep harping on how the South is an exception? And the exception that is the south is a total aberration of equality and justice as it is understood today. I have even said I would entertain a division of the US, if only the Pacific States of America could separate from the south. The south is culturally corrupt...biased, prejudiced. Would you want the jury that decided the case of George Zimmerman to decide yours? If you happened to be black? Totally biased according to their prejudices.

So no, the US is not uniformly fair...but the principles it represents in the abstract, in the Constitution and the Declaration, I would abide by as being the most civilized. More civilized than merely sitting on your hands.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

You are right...I don't understand.
Only yesterday you told me your system was more 'civilised' than ours because people could use the courts to sort out disputes over cats....but it seems the US courts are useless in cases of blatant abusive discrimination as shown here.
The South IS part of America, so how the people act there reflects on the rest of the USA.

Fair point.  In a normal, properly 'fair' system, resort to the courts would be the most civilized way to handle dispute resolution...I mean, as contrasted to one party having to 'suck it up', which is what you were holding onto.  I still stand by the courts for America, particularly, perhaps only, in the north.

But notice I keep harping on how the South is an exception?  And the exception that is the south is a total aberration of equality and justice as it is understood today.  I have even said I would entertain a division of the US, if only the Pacific States of America could separate from the south.  The south is culturally corrupt...biased, prejudiced.  Would you want the jury that decided the case of George Zimmerman to decide yours?  If you happened to be black?  Totally biased according to their prejudices.  

So no, the US is not uniformly fair...but the principles it represents in the abstract, in the Constitution and the Declaration, I would abide by as being the most civilized.  More civilized than merely sitting on your hands.

The Zimmerman jury went on the evidence, not prejudice, IMO. Zimmerman wasn't even white, so you can't claim they backed him because he's white. I also followed the trial, and it was self defence, even though Zimmerman very unwisely followed Trayvon Martin.

I'm glad she was caught on camera. Her behaviour was disgusting.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Fair point.  In a normal, properly 'fair' system, resort to the courts would be the most civilized way to handle dispute resolution...I mean, as contrasted to one party having to 'suck it up', which is what you were holding onto.  I still stand by the courts for America, particularly, perhaps only, in the north.

But notice I keep harping on how the South is an exception?  And the exception that is the south is a total aberration of equality and justice as it is understood today.  I have even said I would entertain a division of the US, if only the Pacific States of America could separate from the south.  The south is culturally corrupt...biased, prejudiced.  Would you want the jury that decided the case of George Zimmerman to decide yours?  If you happened to be black?  Totally biased according to their prejudices.  

So no, the US is not uniformly fair...but the principles it represents in the abstract, in the Constitution and the Declaration, I would abide by as being the most civilized.  More civilized than merely sitting on your hands.

The Zimmerman jury went on the evidence, not prejudice, IMO. Zimmerman wasn't even white, so you can't claim they backed him because he's white. I also followed the trial, and it was self defence, even though Zimmerman very unwisely followed Trayvon Martin.

GOOD LORD
Which begs the question; how many AMERICAN juries have YOU sat on? Our beliefs and prejudices walk into those jury rooms just like the clothes we have too wear to hide our nakedness---it's what humans do; all the while emphaticly stating other wise!

4EVER2 wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The Zimmerman jury went on the evidence, not prejudice, IMO. Zimmerman wasn't even white, so you can't claim they backed him because he's white. I also followed the trial, and it was self defence, even though Zimmerman very unwisely followed Trayvon Martin.

GOOD LORD
Which begs the question; how many AMERICAN juries have YOU sat on?  Our beliefs and prejudices walk into those jury rooms just like the clothes we have too wear to hide our nakedness---it's what humans do; all the while emphaticly stating other wise!  

What? I followed the trial - did you? It was a clear case of self defence, no matter how silly Zimmerman was to get involved in the first place. I wouldn't have been surprised at a manslaughter verdict because Zimmerman followed Martin in the first place, but I thought the verdict was fair.

Raggamuffin wrote:

4EVER2 wrote:
GOOD LORD
Which begs the question; how many AMERICAN juries have YOU sat on?  Our beliefs and prejudices walk into those jury rooms just like the clothes we have too wear to hide our nakedness---it's what humans do; all the while emphaticly stating other wise!  

What? I followed the trial - did you? It was a clear case of self defence, no matter how silly Zimmerman was to get involved in the first place. I wouldn't have been surprised at a manslaughter verdict because Zimmerman followed Martin in the first place, but I thought the verdict was fair.

My question was specific; have YOU ever sat on an AMERICAN JURY? I can only think that the answer would have to be a firm...NO! You're moving the goal posts from my question and your misguided POV about humans and their prejudices---they can't be removed like, say a sweater when you become too warm...those prejudices enter into that jury room along with those other humans!

4EVER2 wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

What? I followed the trial - did you? It was a clear case of self defence, no matter how silly Zimmerman was to get involved in the first place. I wouldn't have been surprised at a manslaughter verdict because Zimmerman followed Martin in the first place, but I thought the verdict was fair.

My question was specific; have YOU ever sat on an AMERICAN JURY?   I can only think that the answer would have to be a firm...NO!  You're moving the goal posts from my question and your misguided POV about humans and their prejudices---they can't be removed like, say a sweater when you become too warm...those prejudices enter into that jury room along with those other humans!

As I'm not American, and I don't live in America, I think you know that answer to that. However, that doesn't alter the fact that I disagree with Quill about the Zimmerman trial - not for the first time either. I'm not prejudiced by being in a certain area in the US, and I saw the evidence and agreed with the jury. I don't think that's any reason for you to get all weird about it. I didn't bring up the Zimmerman trial, Quill did, and I don't see why I shouldn't disagree with him.

Raggamuffin wrote:

4EVER2 wrote:
My question was specific; have YOU ever sat on an AMERICAN JURY?   I can only think that the answer would have to be a firm...NO!  You're moving the goal posts from my question and your misguided POV about humans and their prejudices---they can't be removed like, say a sweater when you become too warm...those prejudices enter into that jury room along with those other humans!

As I'm not American, and I don't live in America, I think you know that answer to that. However, that doesn't alter the fact that I disagree with Quill about the Zimmerman trial - not for the first time either. I'm not prejudiced by being in a certain area in the US, and I saw the evidence and agreed with the jury. I don't think that's any reason for you to get all weird about it. I didn't bring up the Zimmerman trial, Quill did, and I don't see why I shouldn't disagree with him.

1.) Since the majority of you members don't have your location notated...NO, I didn't know where you live
2.)let me yet AGAIN state...you've made the misguided statement about "JURIST & PREJUDICES" and I keep trying to get you to explain HOW/WHY/WHEREBY you come to that assumption
3.) Unless YOU had access to the discussion in that closed door jury room you've NO IDEA what prejudices walked into that room or any jury room in AMERICA
And as with ANY adult topic...if getting you to answer any POINT about the topic/point that you post makes you get SOOOO defensive {getting weird about it} then perhaps you posted in error and are afraid to admit it! No harm - No foul...you're just wrong about human nature and what emotions come into that jury room with US!

4EVER2 wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

As I'm not American, and I don't live in America, I think you know that answer to that. However, that doesn't alter the fact that I disagree with Quill about the Zimmerman trial - not for the first time either. I'm not prejudiced by being in a certain area in the US, and I saw the evidence and agreed with the jury. I don't think that's any reason for you to get all weird about it. I didn't bring up the Zimmerman trial, Quill did, and I don't see why I shouldn't disagree with him.

1.) Since the majority of you members don't have your location notated...NO, I didn't know where you live
2.)let me yet AGAIN state...you've made the misguided statement about "JURIST & PREJUDICES" and I keep trying to get you to explain HOW/WHY/WHEREBY you come to that assumption
3.) Unless YOU had access to the discussion in that closed door jury room you've NO IDEA what prejudices walked into that room or any jury room in AMERICA
And as with ANY adult topic...if getting you to answer any POINT about the topic/point that you post makes you get SOOOO defensive {getting weird about it} then perhaps you posted in error and are afraid to admit it!  No harm - No foul...you're just wrong about human nature and what emotions come into that jury room with US!

I haven't made any statements about "jurist & prejudices", I merely posted about the Zimmerman trial specifically, which I did follow in a lot of detail. I don't care whether you or Quill think the jury were prejudiced or not, I've said that I agreed with them based on the evidence, and obviously I'm not prejudiced by being in a certain area in the US - because I'm not in the US.

If you want to talk about the Zimmerman trial specifically, which is what I did, feel free, but don't try to extrapolate what I said to include any other issues.

raggsamuffin stated ...

The Zimmerman jury went on the evidence, not prejudice, IMO. Zimmerman wasn't even white, so you can't claim they backed him because he's white. I also followed the trial, and it was self defence, even though Zimmerman very unwisely followed Trayvon Martin.

  You seem quite able to deviate from what YOU posted  makes having a discussion very - very difficult.


Hmmmm, just found some other posts of yours; {{heavy sigh}} you seem to be having a REALLY BAD DAY, and it wasn't my intent to   provide you with additional issues...I was making an attempt to have an adult discussion...come back when you're feeling better and lets CHAT

4EVER2 wrote:

raggsamuffin stated ...

The Zimmerman jury went on the evidence, not prejudice, IMO. Zimmerman wasn't even white, so you can't claim they backed him because he's white. I also followed the trial, and it was self defence, even though Zimmerman very unwisely followed Trayvon Martin.

  You seem quite able to deviate from what YOU posted  makes having a discussion very - very difficult.

Yes, I stated that in my opinion the Zimmerman jury went on the evidence. In fact, one of the jurors also said that afterwards. I was disagreeing with Quill who has consistently said on several occasions that the jury was biased, and he brought it up yet again. If I went on the evidence and decided that it was self defence, why would anyone assume that the jury didn't do the same thing?

I also don't really get why Zimmerman was consistently described as "white". He doesn't look white to me.

In any case, I wasn't talking about juries in general, I was specifically talking about the Zimmerman trial, which I followed very closely, so I don't know why you claimed I was making misguided statements. Did you follow the trial at all? Do you think that the evidence proved he murdered Trayvon Martin? If so, what do you base that on?

4EVER2 wrote:


Hmmmm, just found some other posts of yours; {{heavy sigh}} you seem to be having a REALLY BAD DAY, and it wasn't my intent to   provide you with additional issues...I was making an attempt to have an adult discussion...come back when you're feeling better and lets CHAT

I'm having a perfectly fine day. You, on the other hand, appear to be spoiling for a fight. I suggest you have one with Didge when he arrives later.

Raggamuffin wrote:

4EVER2 wrote:
  You seem quite able to deviate from what YOU posted  makes having a discussion very - very difficult.

Yes, I stated that in my opinion the Zimmerman jury went on the evidence. In fact, one of the jurors also said that afterwards. I was disagreeing with Quill who has consistently said on several occasions that the jury was biased, and he brought it up yet again. If I went on the evidence and decided that it was self defence, why would anyone assume that the jury didn't do the same thing?

I also don't really get why Zimmerman was consistently described as "white". He doesn't look white to me.

In any case, I wasn't talking about juries in general, I was specifically talking about the Zimmerman trial, which I followed very closely, so I don't know why you claimed I was making misguided statements. Did you follow the trial at all? Do you think that the evidence proved he murdered Trayvon Martin? If so, what do you base that on?

Really hard to tell when you're not "posting in generalities" when you've clarified that you aren't from America and you've never served on a JURY and yet you posted that: " The Zimmerman jury went on the evidence, not prejudice, IMO."

You've just made a HUGE ASSUMPTION and I was trying {many times} to get an explanation of WTF you've based that ASSUMPTION upon?

But your 2nd post quite efficiently cleared any need to know since you've dribble your caustic attitude around the forum quite rapidly and rather pungently as well. 
Now I DO NOT CARE that you've gone off the deep end and can't provide an adult answer!  DONE with giving-a-shit!

Well, I thank you for your good fight in my absence, 4eva.  I seize upon this clip because it gives the comprehensive overview of the southern mind.

Normally I am pointing to a person who murdered a half-dozen people (Dylann Roof?) and saying this is the southern mentality.  But I can never relate that single incident to a mind-set.  
Here, I have the mind-set, openly stated and voluntarily explained...and I don't even need her to murder a half-dozen people.  This is the southern mind, openly exhibited, and manifestly on display.  Rarely, if ever, do I have the opportunity to display my wares right out there in front of you, the buyer.

So now I have the murders of Dylann Roof.  I have all the cop killings leading up to Black Lives Matter.  I have Ferguson, Baltimore and Charleston...and a woman voicing the racist mind in Wake Forest Baptist Hospital.  I feel like I've won completely.  Surely only the weakest minds do not get it.