Why will no one admit the way some western Muslims raise their children is fomenting terror?

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Why will no one admit the way some western Muslims raise their children is fomenting terror?
By YASMIN ALIBHAI-BROWN

Brutality begins at home. In looking for the reasons behind Tuesday’s Belgian atrocities, we have to face the fact that the ultimate cause lies in the upbringing of the killers.
And when I say ‘we’ must face it, I am talking about Muslim communities across Europe and here in Britain. It is our responsibility and we must deal with it.
I do not discount the effects of casual racism against Muslims, of anger over the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and of the spread of Islamic extremism from Saudi Arabia.
All of these things are important, but just as vital is the way that Muslim families raise their children. For too long, no one has dared to say a word on this subject, but we can no longer ignore it.

Brutality begins at home. In looking for the reasons behind Tuesday’s Belgian atrocities, we have to face the fact that the ultimate cause lies in the upbringing of the killers.
And when I say ‘we’ must face it, I am talking about Muslim communities across Europe and here in Britain. It is our responsibility and we must deal with it.
I do not discount the effects of casual racism against Muslims, of anger over the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and of the spread of Islamic extremism from Saudi Arabia.
All of these things are important, but just as vital is the way that Muslim families raise their children. For too long, no one has dared to say a word on this subject, but we can no longer ignore it.
Belgian bomber Ibrahim El Bakraoui (centre) and explosives expert Najim Laachraou (left), both wearing black gloves to hide their suicide bomb triggers, killed 14 at Brussels airport. Their accomplice - the 'Man in White' - (right) is Europe's most wanted man after walking out of the airport after leaving a bomb that never went off
Belgian bomber Ibrahim El Bakraoui (centre) and explosives expert Najim Laachraou (left), both wearing black gloves to hide their suicide bomb triggers, killed 14 at Brussels airport. Their accomplice - the 'Man in White' - (right) is Europe's most wanted man after walking out of the airport after leaving a bomb that never went off
When mass killings are committed by white people, such as the Columbine school massacre in the U.S. in 1999 or the shootings in Norway by the deranged racial supremacist Anders Breivik in 2011, we are quick to look for the psychological roots — what happened in the killers’ childhoods to make them believe indiscriminate slaughter was the answer?
When Islamist terrorist attacks happen, we don’t do this. Instead, we look for such external causes as preachers of hate. And I believe that we have been looking in the wrong direction.
Too many Muslim families in Britain and the rest of Europe isolate themselves from the out- side world. They deliberately turn their backs on it.
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This inwardness means that Muslim boys and girls are denied many privileges that other young people take for granted. They are growing up unfree in the free world.
At school and on TV, they see one kind of life. Yet at home, they experience another one entirely.
Inevitably they are drawn to both and end up feeling that they belong to neither. They are lost between these two worlds.

As a university lecturer, I hear this complaint from many Muslim students. And as a journalist, I receive countless letters every year from young people around the country who are in the same miserable dilemma, bitterly sad letters expressing a deep unhappiness which can provoke a kind of vengefulness against the wider world.

It is common to hear, for example, that when lectures and tutorials are over, Muslim students are forbidden by their families to fraternise with their peers. They can’t have a coffee in the canteen, much less go to the pub or a nightclub. Instead, they must go straight back to their parents.

If they do make friends, they are not allowed to bring them home. Their families refuse to permit any trace of the broader British community to cross their threshold: it has to be left on the doorstep.
So friends must be kept secret, which is often impossible when privacy in the family is banned. I know students who are not allowed even to talk on the phone at home without others listening.
One 18-year-old who told his family of his ambition to become an artist described his father’s reaction to me: ‘He slapped me across the face. Then he sent me away. He does not want to talk to me now.’
This cultural inwardness has become worse in recent years, in part thanks to the permissive nature of Western society.
Every parent worries about drugs and sexual freedom as their children get older, but for strict Muslim families here, in Belgium and elsewhere, this can become a sort of phobia.
Instead of addressing the issues, as other parents do, they pull up the drawbridge.
This attitude is made worse by the influence of Wahhabi fundamentalism emanating from the hardline clerics of Saudi Arabia and spreading through the internet — brainwashing entire communities into deeply regressive views about liberal democracies.
When large-scale Muslim immigration arrived in the UK during the Sixties and Seventies, parents were eager for the next generation to obtain a broad education and a good job, by embracing everything their new country had to offer. That is no longer the template.
Muslim parents today, consumed by anxieties and with their heads full of rhetoric from firebrand preachers, want to lock up their children and deny them their basic freedoms.
That in turn makes the racism they sometimes face from others in society even worse: behave like an outsider and you will be treated like one.
The result is deep confusion among young Muslims. Their parents tell them they are not allowed to become genuinely British or French or Belgian.
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Classmates and strangers rub the message in further from a different perspective. So they end up asking themselves where they belong and who is really on their side.
Then along come Islamic State radicalisers on the quiet at the mosque or via the internet, claiming to become a surrogate family, offering certainty and salvation, and, for more violent young men, a new kind of masculine identity.
Why else would the brothers Ibrahim and Khalid el- Bakraoui, who blew themselves up in the Brussels airport and Metro this week, feel life was not worth living and that their best course of action was to kill themselves and take as many innocent lives with them as they could?

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How is Muslims identifying with other Muslims in another country any different to someone choosing their "ethnic identity"?

Not that I approve of that - I think loyalty to one's country should come first when it comes to decisions as to who to attack.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

LOL! You're the desperate one lying. If I've said it countless times, prove it. Give me the link. As you're so fond of saying, put up or shut up.

Are you now lying that you have not debated conspiracies on 9/11, Jews controlling money, Rothschild conspiracies first invented by the Nazis conspiracies on oil? I could go on the list is endless to the bullshit you have posted up
I do not need to do anything, its just proves now you are very much an advocate of Taqiya
It just speaks volumes about you that now you would even try to deny it. lol

So thank you again for proving you certainly use Taqiya

You said that I believe Israel was behind 9/11 - and said thousands of times.

And yet you can't prove it.

I just proved you're a liar.

And now it seems, you've gone "full Smelly-Mentor". Seems I was right about you.

Raggamuffin wrote:How is Muslims identifying with other Muslims in another country any different to someone choosing their "ethnic identity"?

Not that I approve of that - I think loyalty to one's country should come first when it comes to decisions as to who to attack.

There is no problem with them identifying with other Muslims.
Its the view that they place them and only them as important.
To the extent they have no care for the people they live with
In other words their mythical beliefs and views found in written works written down over 1400 years ago take preference over the laws of the land they live in. How they will then view those they live with as the enemy.
I think that is very problematic then living with those who view their faith above the system of government that we live in

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

Are you now lying that you have not debated conspiracies on 9/11, Jews controlling money, Rothschild conspiracies first invented by the Nazis conspiracies on oil? I could go on the list is endless to the bullshit you have posted up
I do not need to do anything, its just proves now you are very much an advocate of Taqiya
It just speaks volumes about you that now you would even try to deny it. lol

So thank you again for proving you certainly use Taqiya

You said that I believe Israel was behind 9/11 - and said thousands of times.

And yet you can't prove it.

I just proved you're a liar.

And now it seems, you've gone "full Smelly-Mentor". Seems I was right about you.

So I just proved you are now a liar as you most definitely have argued on 9/11 being a conspiracy

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t12871p50-9-11-scientific-proof-that-plane-s-didnt-hit-watch-three-parts

As who else do you think carried out 9/11?

And you can stop with immature antics also

Either debate the points or jog on you pathetic petulant brat

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You said that I believe Israel was behind 9/11 - and said thousands of times.

And yet you can't prove it.

I just proved you're a liar.

And now it seems, you've gone "full Smelly-Mentor". Seems I was right about you.

So I just proved you are now a liar as you most definitely have argued on 9/11 being a conspiracy

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t12871p50-9-11-scientific-proof-that-plane-s-didnt-hit-watch-three-parts

As who else do you think carried out 9/11?

And you can stop with immature antics also

Either debate the points or jog on you pathetic petulant brat

You said I said Israel did it.

So yes you're a liar. Since you couldn't put up, you should shut up. Your rules, Smelly-Mentor. ;-)

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You said that I believe Israel was behind 9/11 - and said thousands of times.

And yet you can't prove it.

I just proved you're a liar.

And now it seems, you've gone "full Smelly-Mentor". Seems I was right about you.

So I just proved you are now a liar as you most definitely have argued on 9/11 being a conspiracy

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t12871p50-9-11-scientific-proof-that-plane-s-didnt-hit-watch-three-parts

As who else do you think carried out 9/11?

And you can stop with immature antics also

Either debate the points or jog on you pathetic petulant brat

Why don't you go back on this thread and start answering my points. You've missed them all.

Let's see how mature you are.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


So I just proved you are now a liar as you most definitely have argued on 9/11 being a conspiracy

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t12871p50-9-11-scientific-proof-that-plane-s-didnt-hit-watch-three-parts

As who else do you think carried out 9/11?

And you can stop with immature antics also

Either debate the points or jog on you pathetic petulant brat

Why don't you go back on this thread and start answering my points. You've missed them all.

Let's see how mature you are.

Copout alert

You just got exposed for lying

As to that thread I again made you look the idiot you are

You failed to address many points the worst being where you thought  "pulling people" was proof that the building was going to be destroyed with explosives

One moment

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


So I just proved you are now a liar as you most definitely have argued on 9/11 being a conspiracy

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t12871p50-9-11-scientific-proof-that-plane-s-didnt-hit-watch-three-parts

As who else do you think carried out 9/11?

And you can stop with immature antics also

Either debate the points or jog on you pathetic petulant brat

You said I said Israel did it.

So yes you're a liar. Since you couldn't put up, you should shut up. Your rules, Smelly-Mentor. ;-)

I said you have blamed the west and Israel

Exposing you for the Liar you are and evidently based on your faith

Original Quill wrote:

Miffs2 wrote:No

That seems to what the Belgium authorities seem to be saying, the suicide bombers were known as criminals involved in serious organised crime. Organised crime? Doesn't that suggest drugs, prostitution, trafficking? How unislamic.

The Belgium Police are off their ass.  The government over there didn't exist for two year...kinda like Somolia.  They are barely catching up.  (Why do you think it's a haven for terrorists?)  

The Belgiums don't want to admit how bad they are, so they forget that both Turkey and France, as well as Interpol, informed them that the brothers were ISIS, and had been detained on the Turkish/Syrian border and deported west.

When I say they are just criminals, I don't mean to say they are not involved in an international movement.  I mean that their deeds--heinous and unspeakable tho they are--do not constitute acts of war.  They are just criminal acts.  Therefore, we need not respond in a warlike manner.

This is also true of the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, 9-11 and 7-7...just criminal acts.  Don't let arseholes like Trump and Cameron convince you this justifies another invasion.  The response should be criminal law.  The best thing I heard on the news this am, is that the NYC-PD is sending a contingent over to Belgium to help out.  Those are the seasoned guys, in the know.

I understand UK police are going to Belgium to help with the investigation, hope they are able to help capture these animals.

eddie wrote:Quill, I rarely read these long arguments because quite frankly they do waffle on so, but I would like to hear your answer to this part of Didge's post:

[snipped]...you just argued against having Muslims in your country, because read back, no matter where they are, they are going to be "pissed" as you say at what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. [edited to take out an insult]

I mean every Christian in the 11th century had a right to be pissed off at Arab colonialism right Quill based on your regressive thinking.[snipped]

He does have a point about the Christians.

He will avoid answering as he has already Eddie

One doesn't need to be a Muslim to believe in the conspiracy theories around 9/11. A couple of others on here think it was a conspiracy, and at least one of those people have implied that Jews were behind it, or knew about it beforehand.

Raggamuffin wrote:One doesn't need to be a Muslim to believe in the conspiracy theories around 9/11. A couple of others on here think it was a conspiracy, and at least one of those people have implied that Jews were behind it, or knew about it beforehand.

Indeed this is true, and why it is the motivation behind why someone thinks its a conspiracy that is the most telling point.
Where many Muslims believe it was a conspiracy with Israel behind the attack
In fact they will also present conspiracies of Jewish money, the Rothschild etc, all forms of antisemitism, as conspiracies about Jews have been around for centuries with one of the worst being a blood libel.

This just shows you the extent of Muslims that buy into the conspiracies, poorly trying to deflect the problem of Islamic extremism

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Conspiracy_Theories

And on antisemitism within the Muslim community, this being the motivation for their belief of Jewish conspiracies

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mehdi-hasan-anti-semitism-routine-Muslim-community-448981

Let me just say that just because some people don't think Muslims carried out 9/11 doesn't mean it follows that Israel did.

I never said it was Israel: I don't know who did it.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:One doesn't need to be a Muslim to believe in the conspiracy theories around 9/11. A couple of others on here think it was a conspiracy, and at least one of those people have implied that Jews were behind it, or knew about it beforehand.

Indeed this is true, and why it is the motivation behind why someone thinks its a conspiracy that is the most telling point.
Where many Muslims believe it was a conspiracy with Israel behind the attack
In fact they will also present conspiracies of Jewish money, the Rothschild etc, all forms of antisemitism, as conspiracies about Jews have been around for centuries with one of the worst being a blood libel.

This just shows you the extent of Muslims that buy into the conspiracies, poorly trying to deflect the problem of Islamic extremism

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Conspiracy_Theories

And on antisemitism within the Muslim community, this being the motivation for their belief of Jewish conspiracies

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mehdi-hasan-anti-semitism-routine-Muslim-community-448981

First, taqiyah, now...

Wiki Islam? HA HA!

You become more Smelly-Mentor everyday.

eddie wrote:Let me just say that just because some people don't think Muslims carried out 9/11 doesn't mean it follows that Israel did.

I never said it was Israel: I don't know who did it.

Sassy has pretty much implied that the Israelis were involved somehow, and she's not a Muslim.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:Let me just say that just because some people don't think Muslims carried out 9/11 doesn't mean it follows that Israel did.

I never said it was Israel: I don't know who did it.

Sassy has pretty much implied that the Israelis were involved somehow, and she's not a Muslim.

She's a wannabe Muslim though. Let's face it, if she could blame the Israelis for the weather, she would.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


Indeed this is true, and why it is the motivation behind why someone thinks its a conspiracy that is the most telling point.
Where many Muslims believe it was a conspiracy with Israel behind the attack
In fact they will also present conspiracies of Jewish money, the Rothschild etc, all forms of antisemitism, as conspiracies about Jews have been around for centuries with one of the worst being a blood libel.

This just shows you the extent of Muslims that buy into the conspiracies, poorly trying to deflect the problem of Islamic extremism

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Conspiracy_Theories

And on antisemitism within the Muslim community, this being the motivation for their belief of Jewish conspiracies

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mehdi-hasan-anti-semitism-routine-Muslim-community-448981

First, taqiyah, now...

Wiki Islam? HA HA!

You become more Smelly-Mentor everyday.

How immature again

Are you claiming the polls are wrong now, are would you like to see the links to them also?

Your deflections are getting embarrassing with each and everyday

My views are miles removed from smelly, but the fact you use that as a deflections proves more your own failings to continually fail to answer the points

eddie wrote:Let me just say that just because some people don't think Muslims carried out 9/11 doesn't mean it follows that Israel did.

I never said it was Israel: I don't know who did it.

Never accused you of that claiming it was the Israeli's Eddie

Muslims Believe US Seeks to Undermine Islam
Majorities Want US Forces Out of Islamic Countries
And Approve of Attacks on US Troops
Large Majorities Agree With Many Goals of Al Qaeda
But Oppose Attacks on Civilians

Most Support Enhancing Role of Islam in Their Society,
But Also Favor Globalization and Democracy


http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/incl/printable_version.php?pnt=346&date=2013-01-07


Figure 1 shows that religious fundamentalism is not a marginal phenomenon within West
European Muslim communities. Almost 60 per cent agree that Muslims should return to the
roots of Islam, 75 per cent think there is only one interpretation of the Koran possible to
which every Muslim should stick and 65 per cent say that religious rules are more important to them than the laws of the country in which they live. Consistent fundamentalist beliefs, with agreement to all three statements, are found among 44 per cent of the interviewed Muslims. Fundamentalist attitudes are slightly less prevalent among Sunni Muslims with a Turkish (45% agreement to all three statements) compared to a Moroccan (50%) background. Alevites, a Turkish minority current within Islam, display much lower levels of fundamentalism (15%). Against the idea that fundamentalism is a reaction to exclusion by the host society, we find the lowest levels of fundamentalism in Germany, where Muslims enjoy fewer religious rights than in any of the other five countries. But even among German Muslims fundamentalist attitudes are widespread, with 30 per cent agreeing to all three statements. Comparisons with other German studies reveal remarkably similar patterns. For instance, in the 2007 Muslime in Deutschland study 47 per cent of German Muslims agreed with the statement that following the rules of one’s religion is more important than democracy, almost identical to the 47 per cent in our survey that finds the rules of the Koran more important than the German laws.

https://www.wzb.eu/sites/default/files/u6/koopmans_englisch_ed.pdf


http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2066/Muslims-westerners-christians-jews-islamic-extremism-september-11&date=2011-07-23


Major survey among Belgian teens finds anti-Semitism is 7 times more prevalent among Muslim youths than non-Muslims.

http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/50-percent-Belgian-Muslim-teens-have-anti-Semitic-views-307974


Third of British Muslims View UK Jews as "Legitimate Target"
According to a new poll of British Muslims, 37% of the 500 adults surveyed viewed Anglo-Jewry as "a legitimate target as part of the struggle for justice in the Middle East."

More than half believed British Jews exerted too much influence over foreign policy.

46% believe "the Jewish community in Britain is in league with the Freemasons to control the media and politics," a conspiracy theory Board of Deputies director-general Jon Benjamin found "completely bizarre."

More than a quarter of 18- to 24-year-olds said they agreed with the views of jailed hate preacher Abu Hamza.

http://iris.org.il/blog/archives/1040-Third-of-British-Muslims-View-UK-Jews-as-Legitimate-Target.html

Kill 'em all?