Mum is asked to leave shop because her child is having a tantrum.

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An assistant in the John Lewis department store rudely asked a young mother to leave the shop because her child was having a tantrum.
He said other customers had complained, and escorted the embarrassed mum out of the shop.

Over reaction from him or should customers be able to shop in peace without putting up with screaming toddlers?



http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mum-told-leave-john-lewis-10998605

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Of course companies apologise even if the employee wasn't in the wrong. They want to keep customers, and they try to gauge what the majority would think about this situation. As it turns out, a lot of people have not backed this woman, but they weren't to know that in advance.

They were not right to say it publically IMO - that is unfair to the employee.

I think you look down on sales assistants - it's coming over in all of your posts on this subject.

Again if the assistant was not in the wrong they would not have spoken to him

They were completely right to show they were doing something in regards to their rude employee, who clearly needs further training to understand the needs of all customers
I know what a company needs to do for customers, as I have advised in this aspect
I do not look down on all sales assistance, some are fab and even recently posted about the young black shop assistance with the old dear remember Rags praising how he was very good with the old lady
Or have you forgotten that already?

Of course they would have spoken to him! They had to get his side of the story. We have only her word for it that he was rude. All they did was confirm that he asked her to leave in response to the complaints of other customers. They also said they were discussing with him how it could have been dealt with differently. That's not the same thing as saying he was rude.

Of course they apologised to her - she's a customer and they want customers to go in the shop.

The point is that he can't put his side of the story on the internet can he? We don't know how long the screaming went on, and we don't know that she's telling the truth. It was wrong of his employer to say anything publically IMO - it was between them and the customer.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:



Again if the assistant was not in the wrong they would not have spoken to him

They were completely right to show they were doing something in regards to their rude employee, who clearly needs further training to understand the needs of all customers
I know what a company needs to do for customers, as I have advised in this aspect
I do not look down on all sales assistance, some are fab and even recently posted about the young black shop assistance with the old dear remember Rags praising how he was very good with the old lady
Or have you forgotten that already?

Of course they would have spoken to him! They had to get his side of the story. We have only her word for it that he was rude. All they did was confirm that he asked her to leave in response to the complaints of other customers. They also said they were discussing with him how it could have been dealt with differently. That's not the same thing as saying he was rude.

Of course they apologised to her - she's a customer and they want customers to go in the shop.

The point is that he can't put his side of the story on the internet can he? We don't know how long the screaming went on, and we don't know that she's telling the truth. It was wrong of his employer to say anything publically IMO - it was between them and the customer.

They spoke to him because he was bang out of order
He asked a customer to leave based on no store policy and through no right to do so off an upset child
No we have the word of John Lewis as well who do not deny that they were in the wrong as well as the store assistant as thy have been very clear on how they also thought she was unfairly treated. 
So he was utterly rude as you do not ask and embarrass a mother by telling her to leave because her child is upset. I even doub any customer complained about it. There is nothing stopping him putting his side of the story up is there?
You never heard of social media or going to the press challenging the claim if what was being claimed was wrong.
Shop assistant jobs are two a penny, in other words easy to obtain another one and if a false claim was being made about me and the store told me to be quite, I would then very much go public as I would then have John lewis on constructive dismissal

Why was the employee RUDE?

Stormee wrote:Why was the employee RUDE?

Please read back

he had no right to embarrass the mother by asking her to leave

That is utterly rude

Okay how many people here have had relatives over and one of their children has kicked off upset.

Have any of you asked then your relatives to leave because of this?

Back later

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Of course they would have spoken to him! They had to get his side of the story. We have only her word for it that he was rude. All they did was confirm that he asked her to leave in response to the complaints of other customers. They also said they were discussing with him how it could have been dealt with differently. That's not the same thing as saying he was rude.

Of course they apologised to her - she's a customer and they want customers to go in the shop.

The point is that he can't put his side of the story on the internet can he? We don't know how long the screaming went on, and we don't know that she's telling the truth. It was wrong of his employer to say anything publically IMO - it was between them and the customer.

They spoke to him because he was bang out of order
He asked a customer to leave based on no store policy and through no right to do so off an upset child
No we have the word of John Lewis as well who do not deny that they were in the wrong as well as the store assistant as thy have been very clear on how they also thought she was unfairly treated. 
So he was utterly rude as you do not ask and embarrass a mother by telling her to leave because her child is upset. I even doub any customer complained about it. There is nothing stopping him putting his side of the story up is there?
You never heard of social media or going to the press challenging the claim if what was being claimed was wrong.
Shop assistant jobs are two a penny, in other words easy to obtain another one and if a false claim was being made about me and the store told me to be quite, I would then very much go public as I would then have John lewis on constructive dismissal

No, they spoke to him to get his side of the story, which is generally what happens if there's a customer complaint. They did not say he was rude either. You automatically believed her story, but doubted the story that other customers complained.

Of course he's not going to put his side of the story on the internet. The company would not like him doing that. If he left, he might do that of course. We don't know what he's said because we only heard this woman's side of it, and John Lewis's response.

It's my view that they should not have said anything publically, other than to say that they were aware of the issue or something. They should not speak about their employees in such a public way - they wouldn't do that to their customers.

I enjoyed the story about the customer who whinged because a Sainsbury's employee refused to serve her whilst she was on the phone. Of course she went public and whinged, and got an apology from Sainsbury's.

What was funny that she got hardly any support from the public, and in fact a lot of people said Sainsbury's shouldn't have apologised to her.


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/hang-up-or-i-wont-serve-you-backing-for-sainsburys-checkout-assistant-who-gave-shopper-lesson-in-8683404.html

Didge wrote:Okay how many people here have had relatives over and one of their children has kicked off upset.

Have any of you asked then your relatives to leave because of this?

Didge. Be realistic mate.

If a brat played up in our house we would put him in the kennel with our Zero, the Rottwelder.

Another good cure is a six inch nail through one of their feet and they can only walk around in circulz.

Both are effective.

Stormee wrote:

Didge wrote:Okay how many people here have had relatives over and one of their children has kicked off upset.

Have any of you asked then your relatives to leave because of this?

Didge. Be realistic mate.

If a brat played up in our house we would put him in the kennel with our Zero, the Rottwelder.

Another good cure is a six inch nail through one of their feet and they can only walk around in circulz.

Both are effective.

Fist of all you are claiming the child is a brat, based on no sound reasoning.

Second, that does not mean the mother should be treated poorly off the cause of a child who at times can be a nightmare to deal with

That is a fact of life and no mother who is already having a difficult time having to calm a child then further added to this problem be treated so poorly

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


They spoke to him because he was bang out of order
He asked a customer to leave based on no store policy and through no right to do so off an upset child
No we have the word of John Lewis as well who do not deny that they were in the wrong as well as the store assistant as thy have been very clear on how they also thought she was unfairly treated. 
So he was utterly rude as you do not ask and embarrass a mother by telling her to leave because her child is upset. I even doub any customer complained about it. There is nothing stopping him putting his side of the story up is there?
You never heard of social media or going to the press challenging the claim if what was being claimed was wrong.
Shop assistant jobs are two a penny, in other words easy to obtain another one and if a false claim was being made about me and the store told me to be quite, I would then very much go public as I would then have John lewis on constructive dismissal

No, they spoke to him to get his side of the story, which is generally what happens if there's a customer complaint. They did not say he was rude either. You automatically believed her story, but doubted the story that other customers complained.

Of course he's not going to put his side of the story on the internet. The company would not like him doing that. If he left, he might do that of course. We don't know what he's said because we only heard this woman's side of it, and John Lewis's response.

It's my view that they should not have said anything publically, other than to say that they were aware of the issue or something. They should not speak about their employees in such a public way - they wouldn't do that to their customers.

Wrong, they spoke to him and saw he was in the wrong as they apologized to the customer

Clearly he was rude if they apologised and sent her flowers, and even a letter as well

That is an admission.

The company would then be stuck in a rock and a hard place if they are covering up a lie

In my view the company did the right thing as no mother should have to face that kind of crap when already dealing with an upset child

Didge wrote:

Stormee wrote:

Didge. Be realistic mate.

If a brat played up in our house we would put him in the kennel with our Zero, the Rottwelder.

Another good cure is a six inch nail through one of their feet and they can only walk around in circulz.

Both are effective.

Fist of all you are claiming the child is a brat, based on no sound reasoning.

Second, that does not mean the mother should be treated poorly off the cause of a child who at times can be a nightmare to deal with

That is a fact of life and no mother who is already having a difficult time having to calm a child then further added to this problem be treated so poorly

Bratz have tantrumz Didge but what should we call adults on forumz who have them, steady on, we are being watched.lol.

It is all over hyped.

Muchadoaboutnothing.

Look, they probably had a word with the employee, who told them that other customers were complaining about the noise and that he felt he had to do something because of them. He was stuck between a rock and a hard place.

We don't know the full story because we only saw one side of it, but what I do think is that it was wrong for John Lewis to make any negative public statement about one of their employees just because this woman made a public fuss.

Raggamuffin wrote:Look, they probably had a word with the employee, who told them that other customers were complaining about the noise and that he felt he had to do something because of them. He was stuck between a rock and a hard place.

We don't know the full story because we only saw one side of it, but what I do think is that it was wrong for John Lewis to make any negative public statement about one of their employees just because this woman made a public fuss.

And as seen the company agree his actions were wrong to ask a customer to leave by the fact they apologise verbally and in writing and gave a voucher and flowers. There is no proof here that any customer made any complaint here and that is where your side is based on hearsay.
We do not know the full story but a store has CCTV which can tell a thousand things through pictures, which they clearly looked at if they have spoken to the employee

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Look, they probably had a word with the employee, who told them that other customers were complaining about the noise and that he felt he had to do something because of them. He was stuck between a rock and a hard place.

We don't know the full story because we only saw one side of it, but what I do think is that it was wrong for John Lewis to make any negative public statement about one of their employees just because this woman made a public fuss.

And as seen the company agree his actions were wrong to ask a customer to leave by the fact they apologise verbally and in writing and gave a voucher and flowers. There is no proof here that any customer made any complaint here and that is where your side is based on hearsay.
We do not know the full story but a store has CCTV which can tell a thousand things through pictures, which they clearly looked at if they have spoken to the employee

Are you now saying that the spokesperson is a liar then? The whole story is based on hearsay, and yet you automatically believe the woman's side of it. Why is that?

I doubt they would bother to look at the CCTV for such a trivial complaint. It's only this woman who's blown it up out of all proportion.

They had no business making any public statement about a private complaint re one of their staff IMO.

I've already told you - of course they'll apologise because they want customers in the shop, and they think that most customers would side with her. They got that wrong of course.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


And as seen the company agree his actions were wrong to ask a customer to leave by the fact they apologise verbally and in writing and gave a voucher and flowers. There is no proof here that any customer made any complaint here and that is where your side is based on hearsay.
We do not know the full story but a store has CCTV which can tell a thousand things through pictures, which they clearly looked at if they have spoken to the employee

Are you now saying that the spokesperson is a liar then? The whole story is based on hearsay, and yet you automatically believe the woman's side of it. Why is that?

I doubt they would bother to look at the CCTV for such a trivial complaint. It's only this woman who's blown it up out of all proportion.

They had no business making any public statement about a private complaint re one of their staff IMO.

I've already told you - of course they'll apologise because they want customers in the shop, and they think that most customers would side with her. They got that wrong of course.

No I am saying your claims are hearsay Rags and completely hearsay

I have evidence on my side with the store admitting fault

They have every right to go public as that is what a decent business does when they have wronged a customer

You are again offering me no more than an opinion not based on knowing why they made the decision

Again case in point where the mother lied about being thrown out for breastfeeding so on two aspects your hearsay is false

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Are you now saying that the spokesperson is a liar then? The whole story is based on hearsay, and yet you automatically believe the woman's side of it. Why is that?

I doubt they would bother to look at the CCTV for such a trivial complaint. It's only this woman who's blown it up out of all proportion.

They had no business making any public statement about a private complaint re one of their staff IMO.

I've already told you - of course they'll apologise because they want customers in the shop, and they think that most customers would side with her. They got that wrong of course.

No I am saying your claims are hearsay Rags and completely hearsay

I have evidence on my side with the store admitting fault

They have every right to go public as that is what a decent business does when they have wronged a customer

You are again offering me no more than an opinion not based on knowing why they made the decision

Again case in point where the mother lied about being thrown out for breastfeeding so on two aspects your hearsay is false

I haven't made any claims, but you're automatically believing what this woman says - and one of her claims at least have been contradicted by John Lewis, and yet you say they might be lying, so you're making assumptions.

Look, this is my personal view on what happened. I think that the guy could have handled it better, but he's only human, and perhaps he had a headache, perhaps other customers were whinging so he felt he had to ask her to leave. I don't think it's a big deal really. What I object to is this woman trying to bully him in public and trying to get the company to chastise him and make him apologise to her. I also object to the company criticising him in any way in public - it was a private matter.

Up the workers!

I will stand up for people who work in the public eye and who have no real comeback against those who try to bully them. I can't be doing with customers who try to bully shop assistants by trying to humiliate them publically.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


No I am saying your claims are hearsay Rags and completely hearsay

I have evidence on my side with the store admitting fault

They have every right to go public as that is what a decent business does when they have wronged a customer

You are again offering me no more than an opinion not based on knowing why they made the decision

Again case in point where the mother lied about being thrown out for breastfeeding so on two aspects your hearsay is false

I haven't made any claims, but you're automatically believing what this woman says - and one of her claims at least have been contradicted by John Lewis, and yet you say they might be lying, so you're making assumptions.

Look, this is my personal view on what happened. I think that the guy could have handled it better, but he's only human, and perhaps he had a headache, perhaps other customers were whinging so he felt he had to ask her to leave. I don't think it's a big deal really. What I object to is this woman trying to bully him in public and trying to get the company to chastise him and make him apologise to her. I also object to the company criticising him in any way in public - it was a private matter.

Well you are out on a limb on all of your points

She added: “The only way I would have felt better was if I had got an apology from the member of staff responsible.”

She never had that and when you read why and the fact she does have a witnes, then she has every right to be annoyed and it more says to me this assistant was a cock

Lindsay said: "They most definitely, 100 per cent asked me to take my child 'outside'. I have a solicitor, Heidi's godmother, as my witness.
"I have spoken with Paula, and how we remember it was that he said 'would you mind leaving - in a very rude manner - and I said 'what outside?' and he said 'yes' and escorted us out.
"To be honest I am very shocked that they are now trying to change their side of the story, and if they only asked me to move where were they expecting me to move to. I was in the quietest far back corner of the shop."


She has them banged to rights and the store knew this.

Why should the employee apologise to her? Has she gone in and spoken to that employee? No - she's been all over the internet whinging about it and trying to bully him.

Her friend, "Paula" is bound to take her side - it's their word against his.

Raggamuffin wrote:Why should the employee apologise to her? Has she gone in and spoken to that employee? No - she's been all over the internet whinging about it and trying to bully him.

Her friend, "Paula" is bound to take her side - it's their word against his.

The employee was rude and never had a right to ask her to leave

A witness is a witness, they have nothing other than the CCTV, so two people words against one, showing again you are making opinions based on hearsay,

Again I asked a question on this very point with relatives over whether they would ask them to leave if the child got upset

Nobody could answer and why?

Because it would be rude to ask them to leave

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Why should the employee apologise to her? Has she gone in and spoken to that employee? No - she's been all over the internet whinging about it and trying to bully him.

Her friend, "Paula" is bound to take her side - it's their word against his.

The employee was rude and never had a right to ask her to leave

A witness is a witness, they have nothing other than the CCTV, so two people words against one, showing again you are making opinions based on hearsay,

Again I asked a question on this very point with relatives over whether they would ask them to leave if the child got upset

Nobody could answer and why?

Because it would be rude to ask them to leave

You only have her word for it that he was rude though. Her "friend" hasn't said anything publically.

I think she's trying to bully the shop assistant publically, which is disgraceful IMO.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

The employee was rude and never had a right to ask her to leave

A witness is a witness, they have nothing other than the CCTV, so two people words against one, showing again you are making opinions based on hearsay,

Again I asked a question on this very point with relatives over whether they would ask them to leave if the child got upset

Nobody could answer and why?

Because it would be rude to ask them to leave

You only have her word for it that he was rude though. Her "friend" hasn't said anything publically.

I think she's trying to bully the shop assistant publically, which is disgraceful IMO.

I have the evidence of the store by apologising that he was rude

You do not send flowers, a letter and a voucher if the store and the assistant was not in the wrong, you show CCTV evidence to show they are lying as what happened to the women who lied over being thrown out for breastfeeding

Never play poker when someone is holding a Royal Flush in their hands rags

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You only have her word for it that he was rude though. Her "friend" hasn't said anything publically.

I think she's trying to bully the shop assistant publically, which is disgraceful IMO.

I have the evidence of the store by apologising that he was rude

You do not send flowers, a letter and a voucher if the store and the assistant was not in the wrong, you show CCTV evidence to show they are lying as what happened to the women who lied over being thrown out for breastfeeding

Never play poker when someone is holding a Royal Flush in their hands rags

The store didn't say he was rude though, did they?

Of course they appease customers who complain - it's standard practice. CCTV wouldn't have shown them what was said or the way it was said anyway.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

I have the evidence of the store by apologising that he was rude

You do not send flowers, a letter and a voucher if the store and the assistant was not in the wrong, you show CCTV evidence to show they are lying as what happened to the women who lied over being thrown out for breastfeeding

Never play poker when someone is holding a Royal Flush in their hands rags

The store didn't say he was rude though, did they?

Of course they appease customers who complain - it's standard practice. CCTV wouldn't have shown them what was said or the way it was said anyway.

They have by apologising

You do not apologise if his actions were not considered rude

Again last point false as seen by the story where they caught out the mother lying with breastfeeding

Pot is now up £100,000, after I raised you £99,000

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The store didn't say he was rude though, did they?

Of course they appease customers who complain - it's standard practice. CCTV wouldn't have shown them what was said or the way it was said anyway.

They have by apologising

You do not apologise if his actions were not considered rude

Again last point false as seen by the story where they caught out the mother lying with breastfeeding

Pot is now up £100,000, after I raised you £99,000

I've just told you - retailers often apologise to customers even if the staff did nothing wrong. Even retail staff often apologise for things which they didn't even do wrong. I don't think this chap should though - because the woman is trying to bully him publically, which puts her in the wrong.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


They have by apologising

You do not apologise if his actions were not considered rude

Again last point false as seen by the story where they caught out the mother lying with breastfeeding

Pot is now up £100,000, after I raised you £99,000

I've just told you - retailers often apologise to customers even if the staff did nothing wrong. Even retail staff often apologise for things which they didn't even do wrong. I don't think this chap should though - because the woman is trying to bully him publically, which puts her in the wrong.  

Hearsay again where I have shown clearly that if they are not in the wrong they will challenge

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I've just told you - retailers often apologise to customers even if the staff did nothing wrong. Even retail staff often apologise for things which they didn't even do wrong. I don't think this chap should though - because the woman is trying to bully him publically, which puts her in the wrong.  

Hearsay again where I have shown clearly that if they are not in the wrong they will challenge

It's not hearsay. I think this subject has run its course Didge. We will not agree about it - ever.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

Hearsay again where I have shown clearly that if they are not in the wrong they will challenge

It's not hearsay. I think this subject has run its course Didge. We will not agree about it - ever.

Raggamuffin wrote:Up the workers!

I will stand up for people who work in the public eye and who have no real comeback against those who try to bully them. I can't be doing with customers who try to bully shop assistants by trying to humiliate them publically.

It sounded like in this case the shop assistant was the bully Rags.
Believe it or not sales assistants and shop workers can sometimes be in the wrong. I don't agree with the old adage that 'the customer is always right'....having worked in shops and bars, clubs and restaurants I know all to well customers are often wrong and a pain in the arse to boot....on this occasion though that title goes to the shop assistant.

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Up the workers!

I will stand up for people who work in the public eye and who have no real comeback against those who try to bully them. I can't be doing with customers who try to bully shop assistants by trying to humiliate them publically.

It sounded like in this case the shop assistant was the bully Rags.
Believe it or not sales assistants and shop workers can sometimes be in the wrong. I don't agree with the old adage that 'the customer is always right'....having worked in shops and bars, clubs and restaurants I know all to well customers are often wrong and a pain in the arse to boot....on this occasion though that title goes to the shop assistant.

I don't think he was a bully, I think he was responding to complaints from other customers.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:

It sounded like in this case the shop assistant was the bully Rags.
Believe it or not sales assistants and shop workers can sometimes be in the wrong. I don't agree with the old adage that 'the customer is always right'....having worked in shops and bars, clubs and restaurants I know all to well customers are often wrong and a pain in the arse to boot....on this occasion though that title goes to the shop assistant.

I don't think he was a bully, I think he was responding to complaints from other customers.

Which does not give him a right to then be rude to the mother asking her to leave

He had zero right to do so rags

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't think he was a bully, I think he was responding to complaints from other customers.

Which does not give him a right to then be rude to the mother asking her to leave

He had zero right to do so rags

We have only her word for it that he was rude though.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Which does not give him a right to then be rude to the mother asking her to leave

He had zero right to do so rags

We have only her word for it that he was rude though.

Incorrect, she has a witness, there is CCTV and John Lewis has admitted fault by apologising, because he had no right to ask her to leave, which is rude in itself. I do not believe anyone even complained, more like it was Saturday and he was suffering from the ill effects of the night before. That would make far more sense to the story

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Which does not give him a right to then be rude to the mother asking her to leave

He had zero right to do so rags

We have only her word for it that he was rude though.

I wud find it difficult to believe any JL staff wud actually be rude.

She said she was buying something but I have not read which item.

Tbh, I've said what I wanted to say on this subject, and I'm not going to change my mind. Carry on without me.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:

It sounded like in this case the shop assistant was the bully Rags.
Believe it or not sales assistants and shop workers can sometimes be in the wrong. I don't agree with the old adage that 'the customer is always right'....having worked in shops and bars, clubs and restaurants I know all to well customers are often wrong and a pain in the arse to boot....on this occasion though that title goes to the shop assistant.

I don't think he was a bully, I think he was responding to complaints from other customers.

That was his story....you doubted her interpretation of what went on yet believe his?
Maybe he cant openly speak about this event but other customers could come to his defence....no one has though.
Anyway on the off chance that other customers did complain... he is a shop assistant not a security guard...it's not his job to ask anyone to leave.

The reason I do not buy the claim people complained is that in a shop were a child is kicking off many people would just move away from the noise and go to another shop or floor away from the commotion. Its not like they were on a plane and stuck with the child having the tantrum, as people always have the opportunity to move away, which is why I do not buy the claim that people complained. I reckon and this is my opinion, he was suffering from the ill effects from the night before and being as he works there is unable like customers to move away and the noise got to him. That makes far more sense to the story where he could not bear it any longer went across claiming people had complained to make it more credible in making her leave. This would also explain why he was also rude in how he spoke to her

Stormee wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

We have only her word for it that he was rude though.

I wud find it difficult to believe any JL staff wud actually be rude.

She said she was buying something but I have not read which item.

A key ring and a back pack for her daughter I believe it said.

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't think he was a bully, I think he was responding to complaints from other customers.

That was his story....you doubted her interpretation of what went on yet believe his?
Maybe he cant openly speak about this event but other customers could come to his defence....no one has though.
Anyway on the off chance that other customers did complain... he is a shop assistant not a security guard...it's not his job to ask anyone to leave.

There is someone on here who wud have told her to **** OFF.lol

I find it odd that quite a few people in this thread have said the man was right....was he heck.
Kids cry, many of them have tantrums, the best behaved toddlers with parents who are fabulous have tantrums.

It's part and parcel of growing up, the terrible two's are known to most people who have kids

Good parents know how to handle toddler tantrums, which is to take them to a quiet place and sit it out.....and in a perfect world toddlers would only kick off when this is instantly possible.

Syl wrote:I find it odd that quite a few people in this thread have said the man was right....was he heck.
Kids cry, many of them  have tantrums, the best behaved toddlers with parents who are fabulous have tantrums.

It's part and parcel of growing up, the terrible two's are known to most people who have kids

Good parents know how to handle toddler tantrums, which is to take them to a quiet place and sit it out.....and in a perfect world toddlers would only kick off when this is instantly possible.

Smiling a bit syl, ya musta seen one throwing him/herself about on the floor in a reet paddy somewhere and said to yourself or someone with you, "if he was mine I'd show him" or summut similar.

Stormee wrote:

Syl wrote:I find it odd that quite a few people in this thread have said the man was right....was he heck.
Kids cry, many of them  have tantrums, the best behaved toddlers with parents who are fabulous have tantrums.

It's part and parcel of growing up, the terrible two's are known to most people who have kids

Good parents know how to handle toddler tantrums, which is to take them to a quiet place and sit it out.....and in a perfect world toddlers would only kick off when this is instantly possible.

Smiling a bit syl, ya musta seen one throwing him/herself about on the floor in a reet paddy somewhere and said to yourself or someone with you, "if  he was mine I'd show him" or summut similar.

The ones who emit that high pitched scream are the ones I could cheerfully smack Stormee...
Of course I never do and if it gets too bad I just remove myself...I would not dream of complaining.