France will let thousands of migrants, refugees enter UK if UK leaves the EU

AMIENS, France/LONDON (Reuters) - France warned Britain on Thursday it would end border controls and let thousands of migrants move on to its neighbor if British voters backed leaving the European Union.

French Economy Minister Emmanuel Macron also said France would open its arms to British-based banks wanting to stay in the bloc, in comments published just before Prime Minister David Cameron met President Francois Hollande at an Anglo-French security summit.

Cameron has made protecting security a key argument in his campaign to keep Britain in the European Union in a referendum on June 23 and suggested last month that refugees living in a camp in the French town of Calais could flock to England if British voters decided to leave.

"The day this relationship unravels, migrants will no longer be in Calais," Macron told the Financial Times, adding that rules allowing British-based banks to operate across the EU would be lost.

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

If the tunnel is closed off, how would they get in?   And if they did get through the tunnel, they should be turned back at the other end.   The very fact that France is stamping its trotters over this goes to show they really don't give a fuck about Britain.  Send them to Germany.  We're not the ones who offered an open arms policy.

We won't close the tunnel - there's too much invested in it, and it's important for the economy.

Let's say a load arrived in the UK and claim asylum. They can't just put them on the next train back can they?

Unless the UK really toughened up its stance on asylum, we'd be obliged to take them in.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

We won't close the tunnel - there's too much invested in it, and it's important for the economy.

Let's say a load arrived in the UK and claim asylum. They can't just put them on the next train back can they?

Unless the UK really toughened up its stance on asylum, we'd be obliged to take them in.

Leave the eu and we can make any laws we like!

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:first thing to do on leaving the EU.....

Dynamite the chunnel......

Second thing -- close all ports.

Third -- build a 1,000-foot wall around the entirety of the island.

Fourth -- cut off internet access.

Let's just treat the UK as though there's a zombie outbreak ...

HoratioTarr wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Leave the eu and we can make any laws we like!

We need a Government with balls enough to try.   Sadly, we don't have that.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

We won't close the tunnel - there's too much invested in it, and it's important for the economy.

Let's say a load arrived in the UK and claim asylum. They can't just put them on the next train back can they?

Unless the UK really toughened up its stance on asylum, we'd be obliged to take them in.

Leave the eu and we can make any laws we like!

Lord Foul wrote:how about lets have some definite plans from the supposed leadership, rather than half assed "ideas"

he and that other useful idiot are on about 3 million a year...

so...

who's he going to rob?
because that will cost billions, every year for 20 years, billions even above and beyond any imaginary twisted figures of their supposed contribution....

where is the FIRM, absolute commitment to see to our own FIRST.

where are the plans showing how he plans to house this number???

where are the plans that show, beyond the 900,000 brownfield possibilities, where all this new housing is going to either be built or WHERE its going to be built...

how many SSSI is he happy to wreck, how much green belt and green gap ??

how many pleasant villages will he destroy as he turns them into stinking towns?

sassy wrote:Well, how well manipulated the sheeple have become.  Never mind there is enough to go round really, enough to feed, clothe and house everyone and look after their health needs, lets just turn on each other and blame each other rather than blaming the people who are holding on to more than they know what to do with and deliberately witholding what they could and should be giving in legal taxes so that all can live a decent life.

Lets just rant and rave about the have nots rather than blaming those that run the system that keeps them that way so they can have more than they need.

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:
We need a Government with balls enough to try.   Sadly, we don't have that.

Balls????

We need a people that needs to learn to live with others.
A people that is not selfish to misconceived ideals of what they wrongly construe as freedom.
The freedom some of them speak of fails to be anything but free. Its is nothing more than a misguided belief this country can go it alone, when it has ceased to be able to go it alone for centuries. This country once required the need to exploit others for its own gain. It helped advanced this nation, but at a huge cost in the lives of others. All of which you stand advantaged from today. 

Humanity will never advanced whilst it still maintains a tribal belief system, that denies the ability to work with others, who fundamentally are needed to help support this nation. This country ceased long ago to be able to sustain itself and things are only going to get far more strained and difficult with the advancement of technology rendering many out of work. To also the elderly, who will be one quarter the population of our nation, needing far more needs than many, due to the frailty of their age and susceptibility to illness.

What it boils down to is people are not thinking of the countries needs, but their own selfish needs based upon prejudices. A country excels when it works together with other nations, not in isolation or even worse ostracized from the rest of the world as North Korea is, where any suffer starvation. Ask yourself, is your need greater than vastly many others? It never will be, as the need of the greater, will always outweigh the need of the few. The EU has its faults, but do you really think this country will do better on its own, when we have no idea how worse off better we will be? If humanity cannot work together now, then sadly it has learnt nothing from the last century. Where it was selfish nationalism, pride, greed and hate, that saw the culminations of two world wars, that cost the lives of tens of millions. Both wars started and were born from nationalistic ideals, ones that were selfish.

It takes far more balls to work with people, even if their views and beliefs are wrong. Its coexistence and a belief in life for the better that takes having balls. We have seen where once poor beliefs ruled, they have changed and for the better. Living in fear is having no balls at all, as that is what people who want to leave the Euro constantly have, fear. A fear this country will change, when it has forever change for the better. Where every generation people thought it would change for the worst, so you are not new in how you feel, generations how claimed the same previously. If this country needed to extort its wealth through subjugation, then it never was on its own, but with the support of a multitude of nations. People fear beliefs like Islam, as if they will take over. They never will, because again, what people fail to understand is the people themselves. Again we see progression in the west. If it went far right, it would regress again and blood would be spilled. You will never be free, until you conquer your fears and hence why leaving was born from every fear created by people who could not or will notwork with others. Now fear is being used in order to convince people to stay, this is wrong also. As all that needs to be shown is how fear, always leads to further despair and then hate. All because people cannot conquer their fears

There need only be one set of laws for humanity:

To help each other.

Didge wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:how about lets have some definite plans from the supposed leadership, rather than half assed "ideas"

he and that other useful idiot are on about 3 million a year...

so...

who's he going to rob?
because that will cost billions, every year for 20 years, billions even above and beyond any imaginary twisted figures of their supposed contribution....

where is the FIRM, absolute commitment to see to our own FIRST.

where are the plans showing how he plans to house this number???

where are the plans that show, beyond the 900,000 brownfield possibilities, where all this new housing is going to either be built or WHERE its going to be built...

how many SSSI is he happy to wreck, how much green belt and green gap ??

how many pleasant villages will he destroy as he turns them into stinking towns?

Is this country in trouble?

well your tory poster boy cameron seems to think so....give that hes after another round of cuts to the most vulnerable and poorest in our society
and the fact the country IS indeed in trouble is the reason quoted for all this so called austerity...yup, austerity for the least able to bear it.

No, again your pessimism Victor boils down to fears

It offers no viable workable solution to the rising populations, that helps everyone

the population wouldnt rise so bloody fast here if you didnt welcome the world and its dog here

and those countries plagued by hugely rising populations need to learn to stop breeding like rats....

Fear is an emotion that denies the ability to think and reason what is best for everyone, not just some on this planet

Why not put that intelligent brain you have for the better good of others, instead of constantly being led and controlled by your fears

why? when all "others" do, is destroy/restrict/tax/damage/interfere with....what I want to do...

sorry mate, whats mine is me own......I havnt quite stooped so low as the socialist who says "whats yours is mine and whats mine is me own" but ...I dont want the village i live in surrounding by a 5 mile deep concrete misery zone, full of people whos very life and raison d'etre is opposed to mine...

If you did that, as others could also, you would find workable solutions that help everyone

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:


Balls????

We need a people that needs to learn to live with others.
A people that is not selfish to misconceived ideals of what they wrongly construe as freedom.
The freedom some of them speak of fails to be anything but free. Its is nothing more than a misguided belief this country can go it alone, when it has ceased to be able to go it alone for centuries. This country once required the need to exploit others for its own gain. It helped advanced this nation, but at a huge cost in the lives of others. All of which you stand advantaged from today. 

Humanity will never advanced whilst it still maintains a tribal belief system, that denies the ability to work with others, who fundamentally are needed to help support this nation. This country ceased long ago to be able to sustain itself and things are only going to get far more strained and difficult with the advancement of technology rendering many out of work. To also the elderly, who will be one quarter the population of our nation, needing far more needs than many, due to the frailty of their age and susceptibility to illness.

What it boils down to is people are not thinking of the countries needs, but their own selfish needs based upon prejudices. A country excels when it works together with other nations, not in isolation or even worse ostracized from the rest of the world as North Korea is, where any suffer starvation. Ask yourself, is your need greater than vastly many others? It never will be, as the need of the greater, will always outweigh the need of the few. The EU has its faults, but do you really think this country will do better on its own, when we have no idea how worse off better we will be? If humanity cannot work together now, then sadly it has learnt nothing from the last century. Where it was selfish nationalism, pride, greed and hate, that saw the culminations of two world wars, that cost the lives of tens of millions. Both wars started and were born from nationalistic ideals, ones that were selfish.

It takes far more balls to work with people, even if their views and beliefs are wrong. Its coexistence and a belief in life for the better that takes having balls. We have seen where once poor beliefs ruled, they have changed and for the better. Living in fear is having no balls at all, as that is what people who want to leave the Euro constantly have, fear. A fear this country will change, when it has forever change for the better. Where every generation people thought it would change for the worst, so you are not new in how you feel, generations how claimed the same previously. If this country needed to extort its wealth through subjugation, then it never was on its own, but with the support of a multitude of nations. People fear beliefs like Islam, as if they will take over. They never will, because again, what people fail to understand is the people themselves. Again we see progression in the west. If it went far right, it would regress again and blood would be spilled. You will never be free, until you conquer your fears and hence why leaving was born from every fear created by people who could not or will notwork with others. Now fear is being used in order to convince people to stay, this is wrong also. As all that needs to be shown is how fear, always leads to further despair and then hate. All because people cannot conquer their fears

There need only be one set of laws for humanity:

To help each other.

How is the UK being in control of, and making, its own laws prejudicing anyone?

Lord Foul wrote:

Didge wrote:

Is this country in trouble?

well your tory poster boy cameron seems to think so....give that hes after another round of cuts to the most vulnerable and poorest in our society
and the fact the country IS indeed in trouble is the reason quoted for all this so called austerity...yup, austerity for the least able to bear it.

No, again your pessimism Victor boils down to fears

It offers no viable workable solution to the rising populations, that helps everyone

the population wouldnt rise so bloody fast here if you didnt welcome the world and its dog here

and those countries plagued by hugely rising populations need to learn to stop breeding like rats....

Fear is an emotion that denies the ability to think and reason what is best for everyone, not just some on this planet

Why not put that intelligent brain you have for the better good of others, instead of constantly being led and controlled by your fears

why? when all "others" do, is destroy/restrict/tax/damage/interfere with....what I want to do...

sorry mate, whats mine is me own......I havnt quite stooped so low as the socialist who says "whats yours is mine and whats mine is me own" but ...I dont want the village i live in surrounding by a 5 mile deep concrete misery zone, full of people whos very life and raison d'etre is opposed to mine...

If you did that, as others could also, you would find workable solutions that help everyone

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

How is the UK being in control of, and making, its own laws prejudicing anyone?

Why does it need its own laws, if European countries view very much the same?

A law is a law no matter where it is created and maintained.

As to prejudice, how is not working together not being fundamentally prejudiced by wanting to run away?

You think a small group of people on its own will fair well against powerful nations, or combined with many nations as one single entity?

Didge wrote:So all you could come back with is just insults and no viable solutions which you could propose for the good of everyone and for a better future for all

Its people like you and some lefties and some on the right as well they fail to do one simple thing

Work with each other for the benefit of everyone else

If you stop being pigheaded for one second and look to work with others, then you would have the insight from all view points to achieve what is best for everyone

You thin we are better our and we will be stronger

Well let me point out to you one character with the biggest balls in history.

He helped conceive the idea of the EU, because he knew fundamentally the UK could no longer be strong enough on her own. WW2 taught him that, where a united Europe would end countless conflicts, of which it fundamentally did within the EU

So you tell me this Victor. No one country could have beaten Germany in WW2 without the help of all the other allied nations. They each played their part and were stringer united, even with people who were seen as the enemy.

Nations together are always going to be far stronger and have support than a nation that cuts itself off from others to spite its own nose.

You seem to think everything has to conform to what you want Victor

It does not, because you are still be controlled by fear

When you conquer that, then you will see just how wrong and poor it would be to be on our own

Its a no brainer, countries together as they have with the EU a far stringer group both security wise, and economically. Other big nations cannot intimidate the EU so easily as a combined force.

Go it alone, and you just allow the pack of wolves to circle and easily devour its prey

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:


Why does it need its own laws, if European countries view very much the same?

A law is a law no matter where it is created and maintained.

As to prejudice, how is not working together not being fundamentally prejudiced by wanting to run away?

You think a small group of people on its own will fair well against powerful nations, or combined with many nations as one single entity?

Is the UK so weak and powerless?   I'm not sure where you live so forgive me for asking.   Are you UK based?

Didge wrote:



1) Poor insults again, and I do not back the cuts, which also then means further working with those who do to then help make things better
Thank you for proving my point

2) The population is rising everywhere, you have no right to be selfish to where you own a minuscule piece of land, when this nation has an abundance of urbanized land. 

so why would i want more???? and why would i want "my bit" of RURAL land turning into the cess pit that is "urban land"

moreover.....these "other countries" where population is a problem have far more land than we do....As said they first want to stop breeding like rats, and then perhaps it would help if they would STOP KILLING ONE ANOTHER...and solve their own problems!!!!!

3) Selfishness, when it was a few innovative minds that help teach you, of which you did nothing to know any of this subjects until taught. If they had been selfish, you would no doubt now be sitting on a stake, waiting to be burned to death for paganism.


yea and thanks to people like you it looks like we will soon be back there. Inviting in millions of "the faithful", who fully believe in that book and it will need another 400 years to "educate it out of them"....


Its because people used their minds and shared their knowledge that this nation broke free from bad beliefs. You are only who you are today from the good will and nature of those intelligent before who passed on their wisdom and yet you fail to learn a single lesson from that

Lord Foul wrote:

Didge wrote:So all you could come back with is just insults and no viable solutions which you could propose for the good of everyone and for a better future for all

Its people like you and some lefties and some on the right as well they fail to do one simple thing

Work with each other for the benefit of everyone else

If you stop being pigheaded for one second and look to work with others, then you would have the insight from all view points to achieve what is best for everyone

You thin we are better our and we will be stronger

Well let me point out to you one character with the biggest balls in history.

He helped conceive the idea of the EU, because he knew fundamentally the UK could no longer be strong enough on her own. WW2 taught him that, where a united Europe would end countless conflicts, of which it fundamentally did within the EU

So you tell me this Victor. No one country could have beaten Germany in WW2 without the help of all the other allied nations. They each played their part and were stringer united, even with people who were seen as the enemy.

Nations together are always going to be far stronger and have support than a nation that cuts itself off from others to spite its own nose.

You seem to think everything has to conform to what you want Victor

It does not, because you are still be controlled by fear

When you conquer that, then you will see just how wrong and poor it would be to be on our own

Its a no brainer, countries together as they have with the EU a far stringer group both security wise, and economically. Other big nations cannot intimidate the EU so easily as a combined force.

Go it alone, and you just allow the pack of wolves to circle and easily devour its prey

or...and this seems to have escaped your notice.....we could have a trade agreement...you know like many nations do amongst one another

and a mutual protection treaty

we DO NOT have to climb into bed and be willingly arse raped by the likes of Hollande and merkel, by the likes of the unelected and unaccountable "commission"

it is NOT democratic...the eu parliament is a joke..it IS controlled by the big boys of the commission

beside...dont make me laugh...

E.U stronger militarily....pfffft  and other such out bursts of hilarity

the EU is comprised of lefty surrender monkeys....

if anyone invaded they would roll over and ask how high to jump...

besides which it wiould have to go to the eu parliament, be ratified by "the commission" then be re ratified by the eu parliament, then refered to the UN, then discussed further to see if it cold be construed as "racist"

fuck me...they would start by invading italy, and by the time word came to do anything they would be planting the flag in whitehall.  and they wouldn't need a motorised divison either...they would have time to take a stroll.

I mean...you DO know what the french battle flag is dont you???

a white cross on a white background.

Lord Foul wrote:

Didge wrote:



1) Poor insults again, and I do not back the cuts, which also then means further working with those who do to then help make things better
Thank you for proving my point

2) The population is rising everywhere, you have no right to be selfish to where you own a minuscule piece of land, when this nation has an abundance of urbanized land. 

so why would i want more???? and why would i want "my bit" of RURAL land turning into the cess pit that is "urban land"

3) Selfishness, when it was a few innovative minds that help teach you, of which you did nothing to know any of this subjects until taught. If they had been selfish, you would no doubt now be sitting on a stake, waiting to be burned to death for paganism.


yea and thanks to people like you it looks like we will soon be back there. Inviting in millions of "the faithful", who fully believe in that book and it will need another 400 years to "educate it out of them"....


Its because people used their minds and shared their knowledge that this nation broke free from bad beliefs. You are only who you are today from the good will and nature of those intelligent before who passed on their wisdom and yet you fail to learn a single lesson from that

Didge wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

or...and this seems to have escaped your notice.....we could have a trade agreement...you know like many nations do amongst one another

and a mutual protection treaty

we DO NOT have to climb into bed and be willingly arse raped by the likes of Hollande and merkel, by the likes of the unelected and unaccountable "commission"

it is NOT democratic...the eu parliament is a joke..it IS controlled by the big boys of the commission

beside...dont make me laugh...

E.U stronger militarily....pfffft  and other such out bursts of hilarity

the EU is comprised of lefty surrender monkeys....

if anyone invaded they would roll over and ask how high to jump...

besides which it wiould have to go to the eu parliament, be ratified by "the commission" then be re ratified by the eu parliament, then refered to the UN, then discussed further to see if it cold be construed as "racist"

fuck me...they would start by invading italy, and by the time word came to do anything they would be planting the flag in whitehall.  and they wouldn't need a motorised divison either...they would have time to take a stroll.

I mean...you DO know what the french battle flag is dont you???

a white cross on a white background.

1) How do we get a trade agreement that works better than it does now?
You place no faith in this Government and yet then contradict yourself then believing they will get the best deal

well it couldnt work much worse..could it??



2) Same point to claim to, where again, why would they have any mutual agreement, they have other nations, so why need to the UK as part of that, when they have left that protection?

oh they would want britain with them alright, for the naval force, and to watch the back door so to speak....and primarily to make sure britain was onside

can you imagine what would happen if, for example they said sod you.....so we made a pact with russia allowing them to station naval and air forces here???? NO didge they wouldnt attack...in that case europe would fall apart at the seams overnight.......

3) I think you are a joke sometimes, that is just a subjective view. It does not matter who makes the laws, as long as they are the right laws and as to the right democracy in the EU, who seem to be under the misguided belief, its not. It is a democratic system. Which is always adapating

how can it be "democratic" when the ONLY function of the so called EU parliament is to rubber stamp the dictats of the unelected and unaccountable "EU commission"

no didge the laws are not the right laws "EU wide" they are most often right for germany or france...and everyone else had BETTER like it....


4) The rest failed to even address a singe point I made and where it sees you are on the ropes Victor also poorly using humour and insults as a get out Claus

When back I expect far better

Cheers

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Is the UK so weak and powerless?   I'm not sure where you live so forgive me for asking.   Are you UK based?

I live in Kent though grew up in London and have traveled many places

On its own, yes the UK would be far more weaker

Again did Britain end up on the side of the victors in two world wars going alone or with many others?

Britain once did well because its navy ruled the waves, so it controlled the seas, allowing it conquer far less technologically groups of people

It no longer rules the waves and has a small army, yet which is vastly bigger when part of an EU force

Now I have to go, if people think less people are economically stronger than as a group of nations, then they are fundamentally kidding thenselves

Laters

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

How is the UK being in control of, and making, its own laws prejudicing anyone?

Why does it need its own laws, if European countries view very much the same?

A law is a law no matter where it is created and maintained.

As to prejudice, how is not working together not being fundamentally prejudiced by wanting to run away?

You think a small group of people on its own will fair well against powerful nations, or combined with many nations as one single entity?

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:


I live in Kent though grew up in London and have traveled many places

On its own, yes the UK would be far more weaker

Again did Britain end up on the side of the victors in two world wars going alone or with many others?

Britain once did well because its navy ruled the waves, so it controlled the seas, allowing it conquer far less technologically groups of people

It no longer rules the waves and has a small army, yet which is vastly bigger when part of an EU force

Now I have to go, if people think less people are economically stronger than as a group of nations, then they are fundamentally kidding thenselves

Laters

Of course we were a part of all the countries threatened by Germany at that time, each played their vital roles.  You could say that about any of those countries, as each needed the other,  but....

How about The Battle of Britain?   We were all set for Nazi invasion, and totally alone, fought back. The RAF "Few", withstood wave after wave of bombardment sending a clear message that Britain would never surrender to Hitler.  There was nobody to help us.   Most Brits have relatives who died in that war, and I'm no exception.  There's an almost tragic feel to this country which is descending into being dictated to by bureaucrats in Brussels after so many died fighting to keep us free and independent.   They should take the 'Great' out of Britain because it's just not that any more.  Now the French are laying down the law and threatening us with the migrants at Calais.   I know it's about expediency in trade rather than pride, but we have our limits.   I personally don't think the British world will self destruct if we come out of the EU.

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:


Of course we were a part of all the countries threatened by Germany at that time, each played their vital roles.  You could say that about any of those countries, as each needed the other,  but....

How about The Battle of Britain?   We were all set for Nazi invasion, and totally alone, fought back. The RAF "Few", withstood wave after wave of bombardment sending a clear message that Britain would never surrender to Hitler.  There was nobody to help us.   Most Brits have relatives who died in that war, and I'm no exception.  There's an almost tragic feel to this country which is descending into being dictated to by bureaucrats in Brussels after so many died fighting to keep us free and independent.   They should take the 'Great' out of Britain because it's just not that any more.  Now the French are laying down the law and threatening us with the migrants at Calais.   I know it's about expediency in trade rather than pride, but we have our limits.   I personally don't think the British world will self destruct if we come out of the EU.

It was Churchill who put steel into the nation where Hitler never had heart to invade the Uk, as his eyes were always firmly set on the Soviets. It was because of Chamberlain that implemented the fighter program before the war who is to be truly thanks for the victory of the Battle of Britain, which without the Uk would have never have defeated the Luftwaffe. We also had the advantage of an incompetent leader within the Luftwaffe, Goring who ensured when they were winning the battle of Britain, that he altered the strategy to Nazi Germany cost. Again it was Churchill who helped conceive if the idea of the EU, because he knew Britain alone was not strong enough. Even with all the vast wealth from the Empire and resources could she not defeat Germany Alone. The victory at the battle of Britain should always be looked highly of, for the brave fight this nation did and again with the highest scoring squadron in that battle actually being Polish. So did we fight alone in he battle of Britain, we most certainly did not. We had an empire to look to pool resources or men and materials from and experienced fightermen and soldiers who had escaped the Nazi;s. So we never fought alone even in the Battle of Britain

Again you are another ruled by fear, who offers no solutions to work together with nations, but are ruled by fear that others play onto your weakness of. That is not an insult but a reality. How selfish is it again that what you fear most is people coming here to work or seek sanctuary. When that is exactly you were born into others doing exactly the same that came to these shores. This is a land area that people wrongly assume they have only the right to say who can share this land with. I suggest you stop allowing fear to control you and look for ways forward. Ones that are not led by emotions, but reason.

No nation even the USSR, with its massive sacrifice of people, could have beaten Germany alone, it took a joint effort with resources vital to keeping the USSR to survive when it was on its needs in both 1941 and 1942. iT would have never pulled off its later great encirclement battles with out the vast materials supplied by the US in trucks, jeeps, tanks, planes etc. What you fear is no laws or any EU, but people coming here, as is the case in all the arguments made here. As the laws we have effect you very little, the only ones that do, is where you wish to deny sharing this land.

Didge wrote:I come from kent and see immigrants come through all the time, being as I am near the channel ports

Second how dare you when I grew up in London as the son of immigrants to even understand this being as had this same shit growing up from the likes of people like you, because i was part Irish, seeing me as some waiting terrorist, just because of my ethnicity

I grew up around many ethnic groups far more than you would have lived with in 20 life times considering you come from an area devoid of many immigrants in the country. You have absolutely no conception to a place like London living and being seen as the enemy.


didge...as far as this is concerned.....your "past" is irrelevant..and you might be surprised....

I grew up in a mining area, loads of poles...one of whom was a GOOD friend...and good competion too in exams etc....(note I usually came second by a point or two grrrr)  and a hell of a lot of irish lads. Infact the local irish club was THE place to go if you were "under age and fancied a pint) ...not only would they keep the bobbies away from you and hide you "out of the way" they would make sure you didnt get too shit faced, and that you got home safe too...whenthe shit hit the fan...the odd one or two locals made some nasty references to these guys, ironiclly...one of em was the explosives master at the colliery... and the idiots got laughed out of not only the colliery , but the village...we knew how to look after our own, and these lads most definitely were "our own"

however thats somewhat irrelevant...as I said NOW at this point in time

you probably only see the immigrants passing through.. you do NOT see any of the problems thus associated, you likely have no dealings with them, and thus you have no knowlege of them   Nor, since its unlikely to bite you in the ass ...do you care ....

you can as it were spout from a position of safely isolated contempt....just like the govt.....



Again the rest making demands

Wow

Are your demands reasonable or based again on fear?

I would suggest that the "demands" of seeing our own safe first is perfectly reasonable, indeed its extremely desirable, since by doing that (which clearly must be affordable, given that you propose that we do exactly that for an infinite number of "others") would at a stroke remove one of the major sources of contention against helping.

Failure to do this will leave any govt open to the reasonable charge of dictatorship, imposing its will at the cost of its own people.....

contempt for the govt is at an all time high, given labours record and now tory cruelty in this imaginary world of austerity,
the FIRST duty of any govt is the safety and security of its OWN people...Its reasonably acheivable....

anyone wanting my support for allowing in unknown numbers of whoever is going to have to answer those points...

especially with regard to looking after our own needy as a priority, but then of course with security checking.....





When you say shores you are using deliberate language to demean people who you yourself are descended from as you say hordes of people who came to these shores

Again its your fears ruling your reasoning

Didge wrote:I come from kent and see immigrants come through all the time, being as I am near the channel ports

Second how dare you when I grew up in London as the son of immigrants to even understand this being as had this same shit growing up from the likes of people like you, because i was part Irish, seeing me as some waiting terrorist, just because of my ethnicity

I grew up around many ethnic groups far more than you would have lived with in 20 life times considering you come from an area devoid of many immigrants in the country. You have absolutely no conception to a place like London living and being seen as the enemy.

Again the rest making demands

Wow

Are your demands reasonable or based again on fear?

When you say hordes you are using deliberate language to demean people who you yourself are descended from as you say hordes of people who came to these shores

Again its your fears ruling your reasoning

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:I come from kent and see immigrants come through all the time, being as I am near the channel ports

Second how dare you when I grew up in London as the son of immigrants to even understand this being as had this same shit growing up from the likes of people like you, because i was part Irish, seeing me as some waiting terrorist, just because of my ethnicity

I grew up around many ethnic groups far more than you would have lived with in 20 life times considering you come from an area devoid of many immigrants in the country. You have absolutely no conception to a place like London living and being seen as the enemy.

Again the rest making demands

Wow

Are your demands reasonable or based again on fear?

When you say hordes you are using deliberate language to demean people who you yourself are descended from as you say hordes of people who came to these shores

Again its your fears ruling your reasoning

I married into an Irish family, and not once did I see anyone ever treat them as potential terrorists.    I live among ethnic groups  and I grew up in London.   I was also born there.   I see nothing but people living harmoniously alongside each other, as it's mostly been here in Britain.  We are usually a very tolerant people.

Lord Foul wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

I married into an Irish family, and not once did I see anyone ever treat them as potential terrorists.    I live among ethnic groups  and I grew up in London.   I was also born there.   I see nothing but people living harmoniously alongside each other, as it's mostly been here in Britain.  We are usually a very tolerant people.

oh some most definitely were HT....as I said above the irish colliers were a great bunch...mad as march hares, but mad mad fun...but non the less a few of the so called "locals" tried to stir things up...it didnt work

strangely these so called "locals" as they claimed to be were.......geordies...

jeepers...and they thought the irish lads were "incommers"????  bloody 'ell...it was THEM you needed atranslator for..... what was it..."divnt dunchus, wah geordies mon"

WTF????

But Didge is right on this some were terribly treated.....

Lord Foul wrote:I see the lefty yank doesnt like the truth when its put there plain and simple

but of course america doesnt have to make these tough decisions about who lives and who dies eithjer from lack of housing OR lack of medical care

over there its quite simple...either you can pay...or you die....

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:


It was Churchill who put steel into the nation where Hitler never had heart to invade the Uk, as his eyes were always firmly set on the Soviets. It was because of Chamberlain that implemented the fighter program before the war who is to be truly thanks for the victory of the Battle of Britain, which without the Uk would have never have defeated the Luftwaffe. We also had the advantage of an incompetent leader within the Luftwaffe, Goring who ensured when they were winning the battle of Britain, that he altered the strategy to Nazi Germany cost. Again it was Churchill who helped conceive if the idea of the EU, because he knew Britain alone was not strong enough. Even with all the vast wealth from the Empire and resources could she not defeat Germany Alone. The victory at the battle of Britain should always be looked highly of, for the brave fight this nation did and again with the highest scoring squadron in that battle actually being Polish. So did we fight alone in he battle of Britain, we most certainly did not. We had an empire to look to pool resources or men and materials from and experienced fightermen and soldiers who had escaped the Nazi;s. So we never fought alone even in the Battle of Britain

Again you are another ruled by fear, who offers no solutions to work together with nations, but are ruled by fear that others play onto your weakness of. That is not an insult but a reality. How selfish is it again that what you fear most is people coming here to work or seek sanctuary. When that is exactly you were born into others doing exactly the same that came to these shores. This is a land area that people wrongly assume they have only the right to say who can share this land with. I suggest you stop allowing fear to control you and look for ways forward. Ones that are not led by emotions, but reason.

No nation even the USSR, with its massive sacrifice of people, could have beaten Germany alone, it took a joint effort with resources vital to keeping the USSR to survive when it was on its needs in both 1941 and 1942. iT would have never pulled off its later great encirclement battles with out the vast materials supplied by the US in trucks, jeeps, tanks, planes etc. What you fear is no laws or any EU, but people coming here, as is the case in all the arguments made here. As the laws we have effect you very little, the only ones that do, is where you wish to deny sharing this land.

My gripe isn't migrants.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:I come from kent and see immigrants come through all the time, being as I am near the channel ports

Second how dare you when I grew up in London as the son of immigrants to even understand this being as had this same shit growing up from the likes of people like you, because i was part Irish, seeing me as some waiting terrorist, just because of my ethnicity

I grew up around many ethnic groups far more than you would have lived with in 20 life times considering you come from an area devoid of many immigrants in the country. You have absolutely no conception to a place like London living and being seen as the enemy.

Again the rest making demands

Wow

Are your demands reasonable or based again on fear?

When you say hordes you are using deliberate language to demean people who you yourself are descended from as you say hordes of people who came to these shores

Again its your fears ruling your reasoning

I married into an Irish family, and not once did I see anyone ever treat them as potential terrorists.    I live among ethnic groups  and I grew up in London.   I was also born there.   I see nothing but people living harmoniously alongside each other, as it's mostly been here in Britain.  We are usually a very tolerant people.

Didge wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

oh some most definitely were HT....as I said above the irish colliers were a great bunch...mad as march hares, but mad mad fun...but non the less a few of the so called "locals" tried to stir things up...it didnt work

strangely these so called "locals" as they claimed to be were.......geordies...

jeepers...and they thought the irish lads were "incommers"????  bloody 'ell...it was THEM you needed atranslator for..... what was it..."divnt dunchus, wah geordies mon"

WTF????

But Didge is right on this some were terribly treated.....

Brilliant, which just shows you have no idea or comprehension of the discrimination other Irish dealt with

Yes the irish are great, some came over and murder people with terrorism and other in Ireland, all of them scu, but many Irish suffered because of that, with hate directed at them

Again hence why my view growing up counts far more than you will ever begin to understand