France will let thousands of migrants, refugees enter UK if UK leaves the EU

AMIENS, France/LONDON (Reuters) - France warned Britain on Thursday it would end border controls and let thousands of migrants move on to its neighbor if British voters backed leaving the European Union.

French Economy Minister Emmanuel Macron also said France would open its arms to British-based banks wanting to stay in the bloc, in comments published just before Prime Minister David Cameron met President Francois Hollande at an Anglo-French security summit.

Cameron has made protecting security a key argument in his campaign to keep Britain in the European Union in a referendum on June 23 and suggested last month that refugees living in a camp in the French town of Calais could flock to England if British voters decided to leave.

"The day this relationship unravels, migrants will no longer be in Calais," Macron told the Financial Times, adding that rules allowing British-based banks to operate across the EU would be lost.

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

My gripe isn't migrants.

You keep bringing them up

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:


You keep bringing them up

So do you.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:


Brilliant, which just shows you have no idea or comprehension of the discrimination other Irish dealt with

Yes the irish are great, some came over and murder people with terrorism and other in Ireland, all of them scu, but many Irish suffered because of that, with hate directed at them

Again hence why my view growing up counts far more than you will ever begin to understand

Each of us have our own views, I don't see the point in being disrespectful of another's views.   I see valid points in both you and Lordy's arguments.    I think we have enough people in this country, and I'm not talking about how many ethnics we have, just generally.  Our NHS is on its knees, we have a terrible problem with homeless people, people struggling on zero hour contracts, our disabled having their benefits cut, people stuck on benefits with no hope of getting off them, a minimum wage you can't live off.  We need to sort out our own social problems before creating more chaos.    And I do believe we'll have riots in Europe over this.

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

So do you.

Only in answer to the same fears you keep bringing up

Anyway, I hope you learnt some history, British history, as that is my best subject

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:

Only in answer to the same fears you keep bringing up

Anyway, I hope you learnt some history, British history, as that is my best subject

You should go into politics

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:I see the lefty yank doesnt like the truth when its put there plain and simple

but of course america doesnt have to make these tough decisions about who lives and who dies eithjer from lack of housing OR lack of medical care

over there its quite simple...either you can pay...or you die....

So on the one hand, I'm criticized for being a lefty yank ... and on the other hand I'm being criticized for my country not having a health care system far to the LEFT of the one we have now.

In case you were confused, though, I have no problem with the UK becoming a pariah nation -- you could be the dictator -- just make sure to give people the right to leave.

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Each of us have our own views, I don't see the point in being disrespectful of another's views.   I see valid points in both you and Lordy's arguments.    I think we have enough people in this country, and I'm not talking about how many ethnics we have, just generally.  Our NHS is on its knees, we have a terrible problem with homeless people, people struggling on zero hour contracts, our disabled having their benefits cut, people stuck on benefits with no hope of getting off them, a minimum wage you can't live off.  We need to sort out our own social problems before creating more chaos.    And I do believe we'll have riots in Europe over this.

only 7% is urbanized and you have again no comprehension of being and living really in a crowded place
The NHS would not even function without one third of the doctors being foreign
THis country will have one quarter elderly in 2050, who is going to look after them all?
You think we have enough is born from selfish reasoning
Its a landmass, you were lucky to be born into that advantaged you from the start
I have a problem with homeless people, they should not be there and I hate it even more when they are used as pawns by people to then deny immigrants. If people did care about homeless people as much as they claim, there would not be any and yet there is thousands  that are. Stop using the plight of others to make a poor argument. Their plight is fundamentally down to the British people as we allow them nightly to sleep out rough

Didge wrote:Tommy you are just regurgitating your own views and fears

Not everyone has their own country, if they sty thy are likely to die

Even this country sent children away during the last world war

Anyway you say the same shit, would rather have an intelligent debate as having with Victor and horatio, which will have to wait until tomorrow


Night all

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Each of us have our own views, I don't see the point in being disrespectful of another's views.   I see valid points in both you and Lordy's arguments.    I think we have enough people in this country, and I'm not talking about how many ethnics we have, just generally.  Our NHS is on its knees, we have a terrible problem with homeless people, people struggling on zero hour contracts, our disabled having their benefits cut, people stuck on benefits with no hope of getting off them, a minimum wage you can't live off.  We need to sort out our own social problems before creating more chaos.    And I do believe we'll have riots in Europe over this.

only 7% is urbanized and you have again no comprehension of being and living really in a crowded place
The NHS would not even function without one third of the doctors being foreign
THis country will have one quarter elderly in 2050, who is going to look after them all?
You think we have enough is born from selfish reasoning
Its a landmass, you were lucky to be born into that advantaged you from the start
I have a problem with homeless people, they should not be there and I hate it even more when they are used as pawns by people to then deny immigrants. If people did care about homeless people as much as they claim, there would not be any and yet there is thousands  that are. Stop using the plight of others to make a poor argument. Their plight is fundamentally down to the British people as we allow them nightly to sleep out rough

Lord Foul wrote:

Didge wrote:


only 7% is urbanized and you have again no comprehension of being and living really in a crowded place
The NHS would not even function without one third of the doctors being foreign
THis country will have one quarter elderly in 2050, who is going to look after them all?
You think we have enough is born from selfish reasoning
Its a landmass, you were lucky to be born into that advantaged you from the start
I have a problem with homeless people, they should not be there and I hate it even more when they are used as pawns by people to then deny immigrants. If people did care about homeless people as much as they claim, there would not be any and yet there is thousands  that are. Stop using the plight of others to make a poor argument. Their plight is fundamentally down to the British people as we allow them nightly to sleep out rough

when you prove to me that you have at least one sleeping on your couch nightly, I'll take you seriously (well, I would have to wouldnt I) until then its nothing but spout and huffnpuff
and

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:


Of course we were a part of all the countries threatened by Germany at that time, each played their vital roles.  You could say that about any of those countries, as each needed the other,  but....

How about The Battle of Britain?   We were all set for Nazi invasion, and totally alone, fought back. The RAF "Few", withstood wave after wave of bombardment sending a clear message that Britain would never surrender to Hitler.  There was nobody to help us.   Most Brits have relatives who died in that war, and I'm no exception.  There's an almost tragic feel to this country which is descending into being dictated to by bureaucrats in Brussels after so many died fighting to keep us free and independent.   They should take the 'Great' out of Britain because it's just not that any more.  Now the French are laying down the law and threatening us with the migrants at Calais.   I know it's about expediency in trade rather than pride, but we have our limits.   I personally don't think the British world will self destruct if we come out of the EU.

It was Churchill who put steel into the nation where Hitler never had heart to invade the Uk, as his eyes were always firmly set on the Soviets. It was because of Chamberlain that implemented the fighter program before the war who is to be truly thanks for the victory of the Battle of Britain, which without the Uk would have never have defeated the Luftwaffe. We also had the advantage of an incompetent leader within the Luftwaffe, Goring who ensured when they were winning the battle of Britain, that he altered the strategy to Nazi Germany cost. Again it was Churchill who helped conceive if the idea of the EU, because he knew Britain alone was not strong enough. Even with all the vast wealth from the Empire and resources could she not defeat Germany Alone. The victory at the battle of Britain should always be looked highly of, for the brave fight this nation did and again with the highest scoring squadron in that battle actually being Polish. So did we fight alone in he battle of Britain, we most certainly did not. We had an empire to look to pool resources or men and materials from and experienced fightermen and soldiers who had escaped the Nazi;s. So we never fought alone even in the Battle of Britain

Again you are another ruled by fear, who offers no solutions to work together with nations, but are ruled by fear that others play onto your weakness of. That is not an insult but a reality. How selfish is it again that what you fear most is people coming here to work or seek sanctuary. When that is exactly you were born into others doing exactly the same that came to these shores. This is a land area that people wrongly assume they have only the right to say who can share this land with. I suggest you stop allowing fear to control you and look for ways forward. Ones that are not led by emotions, but reason.

No nation even the USSR, with its massive sacrifice of people, could have beaten Germany alone, it took a joint effort with resources vital to keeping the USSR to survive when it was on its needs in both 1941 and 1942. iT would have never pulled off its later great encirclement battles with out the vast materials supplied by the US in trucks, jeeps, tanks, planes etc. What you fear is no laws or any EU, but people coming here, as is the case in all the arguments made here. As the laws we have effect you very little, the only ones that do, is where you wish to deny sharing this land.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:


only 7% is urbanized and you have again no comprehension of being and living really in a crowded place
The NHS would not even function without one third of the doctors being foreign
THis country will have one quarter elderly in 2050, who is going to look after them all?
You think we have enough is born from selfish reasoning
Its a landmass, you were lucky to be born into that advantaged you from the start
I have a problem with homeless people, they should not be there and I hate it even more when they are used as pawns by people to then deny immigrants. If people did care about homeless people as much as they claim, there would not be any and yet there is thousands  that are. Stop using the plight of others to make a poor argument. Their plight is fundamentally down to the British people as we allow them nightly to sleep out rough

Firstly, you don't know where I live.   Secondly, the foreign doctors argument is erroneous.  We're not talking about letting in qualified professionals, we talking about letting in all and sundry, as they've done in Germany.   It has to be controlled.

Didge wrote:My past is far more relevant than anything you have to say Victor, I experienced the other side, you never have and thus have no ability to understand this with any balance, as I can. 

Sorry growing up with some Poles is not diverse as living in London growing up where I only moved out of London 8 years ago still going there to work and see my family and friends. Do not again even dare to claim you understand living around many groups of people because you have absolutely no idea at all Victor. Not on any single level. We are talking about a city in the millions, vast diverse different and at times made up in large numbers of different ethnic groups dependent on what part of London you go to. Mine was living around Irish, Italian and West Indians with clearly many Brits too. 

Again you speak of safety, I have no problems with checks, but its your poor perceived views i have issue with where your distrust of people is what the key issue really is here. What matters is the safety of rightly, our own, humans, no matter where they come from. As many are fleeing hell on earth. Its views like that "our own" that is so abhorrent. As it seeks to divide groups of humans as if devoid of any safety and protection you desire based off the worst forms of inequality

So fine, I am willing to place more money to have more personal better intelligence for checking people coming into this country, but I do not see riots daily in the street. This powder kg you seem to claim, remains fairly quite on a consistent regularity which is odd being that we should be in such fearof your claims

Lord Foul wrote:

Didge wrote:




when you prove to me that you have at least one sleeping on your couch nightly, I'll take you seriously (well, I would have to wouldnt I) until then its nothing but spout and huffnpuff
and

So how many do you have?

Its also a really stupid point to ask people when these people should have places of their own to live in, but then that is why you use their plight to make a very weak and poor argument. That is exploitation


I will take you seriously when the nation does

I do not have any homeless sleeping rough where I live

What does that tell you?

Again the nation fails these people and its people like you that uses their plight to make a very poor weak arguiment

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:


Of course we were a part of all the countries threatened by Germany at that time, each played their vital roles.  You could say that about any of those countries, as each needed the other,  but....

How about The Battle of Britain?   We were all set for Nazi invasion, and totally alone, fought back. The RAF "Few", withstood wave after wave of bombardment sending a clear message that Britain would never surrender to Hitler.  There was nobody to help us.   Most Brits have relatives who died in that war, and I'm no exception.  There's an almost tragic feel to this country which is descending into being dictated to by bureaucrats in Brussels after so many died fighting to keep us free and independent.   They should take the 'Great' out of Britain because it's just not that any more.  Now the French are laying down the law and threatening us with the migrants at Calais.   I know it's about expediency in trade rather than pride, but we have our limits.   I personally don't think the British world will self destruct if we come out of the EU.

It was Churchill who put steel into the nation where Hitler never had heart to invade the Uk, as his eyes were always firmly set on the Soviets. It was because of Chamberlain that implemented the fighter program before the war who is to be truly thanks for the victory of the Battle of Britain, which without the Uk would have never have defeated the Luftwaffe. We also had the advantage of an incompetent leader within the Luftwaffe, Goring who ensured when they were winning the battle of Britain, that he altered the strategy to Nazi Germany cost. Again it was Churchill who helped conceive if the idea of the EU, because he knew Britain alone was not strong enough. Even with all the vast wealth from the Empire and resources could she not defeat Germany Alone. The victory at the battle of Britain should always be looked highly of, for the brave fight this nation did and again with the highest scoring squadron in that battle actually being Polish. So did we fight alone in he battle of Britain, we most certainly did not. We had an empire to look to pool resources or men and materials from and experienced fightermen and soldiers who had escaped the Nazi;s. So we never fought alone even in the Battle of Britain

Again you are another ruled by fear, who offers no solutions to work together with nations, but are ruled by fear that others play onto your weakness of. That is not an insult but a reality. How selfish is it again that what you fear most is people coming here to work or seek sanctuary. When that is exactly you were born into others doing exactly the same that came to these shores. This is a land area that people wrongly assume they have only the right to say who can share this land with. I suggest you stop allowing fear to control you and look for ways forward. Ones that are not led by emotions, but reason.

No nation even the USSR, with its massive sacrifice of people, could have beaten Germany alone, it took a joint effort with resources vital to keeping the USSR to survive when it was on its needs in both 1941 and 1942. iT would have never pulled off its later great encirclement battles with out the vast materials supplied by the US in trucks, jeeps, tanks, planes etc. What you fear is no laws or any EU, but people coming here, as is the case in all the arguments made here. As the laws we have effect you very little, the only ones that do, is where you wish to deny sharing this land.

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:
We need a Government with balls enough to try.   Sadly, we don't have that.

Balls????

We need a people that needs to learn to live with others.
A people that is not selfish to misconceived ideals of what they wrongly construe as freedom.
The freedom some of them speak of fails to be anything but free. Its is nothing more than a misguided belief this country can go it alone, when it has ceased to be able to go it alone for centuries. This country once required the need to exploit others for its own gain. It helped advanced this nation, but at a huge cost in the lives of others. All of which you stand advantaged from today. 

Humanity will never advanced whilst it still maintains a tribal belief system, that denies the ability to work with others, who fundamentally are needed to help support this nation. This country ceased long ago to be able to sustain itself and things are only going to get far more strained and difficult with the advancement of technology rendering many out of work. To also the elderly, who will be one quarter the population of our nation, needing far more needs than many, due to the frailty of their age and susceptibility to illness.

What it boils down to is people are not thinking of the countries needs, but their own selfish needs based upon prejudices. A country excels when it works together with other nations, not in isolation or even worse ostracized from the rest of the world as North Korea is, where any suffer starvation. Ask yourself, is your need greater than vastly many others? It never will be, as the need of the greater, will always outweigh the need of the few. The EU has its faults, but do you really think this country will do better on its own, when we have no idea how worse off better we will be? If humanity cannot work together now, then sadly it has learnt nothing from the last century. Where it was selfish nationalism, pride, greed and hate, that saw the culminations of two world wars, that cost the lives of tens of millions. Both wars started and were born from nationalistic ideals, ones that were selfish.

It takes far more balls to work with people, even if their views and beliefs are wrong. Its coexistence and a belief in life for the better that takes having balls. We have seen where once poor beliefs ruled, they have changed and for the better. Living in fear is having no balls at all, as that is what people who want to leave the Euro constantly have, fear. A fear this country will change, when it has forever change for the better. Where every generation people thought it would change for the worst, so you are not new in how you feel, generations how claimed the same previously. If this country needed to extort its wealth through subjugation, then it never was on its own, but with the support of a multitude of nations. People fear beliefs like Islam, as if they will take over. They never will, because again, what people fail to understand is the people themselves. Again we see progression in the west. If it went far right, it would regress again and blood would be spilled. You will never be free, until you conquer your fears and hence why leaving was born from every fear created by people who could not or will notwork with others. Now fear is being used in order to convince people to stay, this is wrong also. As all that needs to be shown is how fear, always leads to further despair and then hate. All because people cannot conquer their fears

There need only be one set of laws for humanity:

To help each other.

Didge wrote:

Didge wrote:My past is far more relevant than anything you have to say Victor, I experienced the other side, you never have and thus have no ability to understand this with any balance, as I can. 

Sorry growing up with some Poles is not diverse as living in London growing up where I only moved out of London 8 years ago still going there to work and see my family and friends. Do not again even dare to claim you understand living around many groups of people because you have absolutely no idea at all Victor. Not on any single level. We are talking about a city in the millions, vast diverse different and at times made up in large numbers of different ethnic groups dependent on what part of London you go to. Mine was living around Irish, Italian and West Indians with clearly many Brits too. 

Again you speak of safety, I have no problems with checks, but its your poor perceived views i have issue with where your distrust of people is what the key issue really is here. What matters is the safety of rightly, our own, humans, no matter where they come from. As many are fleeing hell on earth. Its views like that "our own" that is so abhorrent. As it seeks to divide groups of humans as if devoid of any safety and protection you desire based off the worst forms of inequality

So fine, I am willing to place more money to have more personal better intelligence for checking people coming into this country, but I do not see riots daily in the street. This powder kg you seem to claim, remains fairly quite on a consistent regularity which is odd being that we should be in such fearof your claims

Tommy Monk wrote:Answer the question...


Do you think we should have complete open door immigration to the whole world's population or do you agree that controls on our borders and controlled immigration is not only required but essential...?

Tommy Monk wrote:That did not answer the question.

Some vague reference to 'checks' could mean you think open door to all is ok but with a quick pat down on their way in!!!



Try being more specific...



Answer the question...


Do you think we should have complete open door immigration to the whole world's population or do you agree that controls on our borders and controlled immigration is not only required but essential...?

Tommy Monk wrote:Still not answering the question...


Some vague reference to 'checks' could mean you think open door to all is ok but with a quick pat down on their way in!!!

Try being more specific...

Simple question...


Do you think we should have complete open door immigration to the whole world's population or do you agree that controls on our borders and controlled immigration is not only required but essential...?

Didge wrote:

Didge wrote:

Its clear if I agree there should be security checks, does not mean wanting an open door policy and why Tommy is now on ignore

Mainly as he is a fuckwit and an ignoramus

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Firstly, you don't know where I live.   Secondly, the foreign doctors argument is erroneous.  We're not talking about letting in qualified professionals, we talking about letting in all and sundry, as they've done in Germany.   It has to be controlled.

Errrr its very relevant as the NHS would have collapsed long ago without foreign people, one third exactly let alone nurses

What about people who have less qualifications?

Are you saying people have no right to move to any country to better their lives

Again how utterly selfish and you have no right to say who should when over 6 million Ext Pats live abroad who have made lives for themselves.

Did you check them before they left to see if they had qualifications?


Its evident on this and every thread you know very little

Explain to me without continued high levels of immigration or at least high birth levels how you intend to address the age imbalance where one quarter of people will be elderly by 2050.

Please explain how you will cope with this already know major issue?

Tommy Monk wrote:No its not clear because as I said... your vague reference to 'some checks' could mean you think open door is ok if they are given a quick pat down on the way in. ..


So are you in agreement that we need control over our borders and controlled over immigration and limits on the numbers and type of people allowed entry to our country...!?

HoratioTarr wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:No its not clear because as I said... your vague reference to 'some checks' could mean you think open door is ok if they are given a quick pat down on the way in. ..


So are you in agreement that we need control over our borders and controlled over immigration and limits on the numbers and type of people allowed entry to our country...!?

He's that fucking childish, he reports posts over and over again.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:

Errrr its very relevant as the NHS would have collapsed long ago without foreign people, one third exactly let alone nurses

What about people who have less qualifications?

Are you saying people have no right to move to any country to better their lives

Again how utterly selfish and you have no right to say who should when over 6 million Ext Pats live abroad who have made lives for themselves.

Did you check them before they left to see if they had qualifications?


Its evident on this and every thread you know very little

Explain to me without continued high levels of immigration or at least high birth levels how you intend to address the age imbalance where one quarter of people will be elderly by 2050.

Please explain how you will cope with this already know major issue?

What an inane post!   You dredge out the same arguments to everyone.   In fact, you don't debate, you just argue and stamp all over other's opinions, that's how ignorant you are.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:No its not clear because as I said... your vague reference to 'some checks' could mean you think open door is ok if they are given a quick pat down on the way in. ..


So are you in agreement that we need control over our borders and controlled over immigration and limits on the numbers and type of people allowed entry to our country...!?

He's that fucking childish, he reports posts over and over again.