Boycotting Israel isn't anti-Semitic – how many human rights groups need to condemn it until this is clear?
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Re: Boycotting Israel isn't anti-Semitic – how many human rights groups need to condemn it until this is clear?
Hear bloody hear, every word the truth.
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I think a lot of people forget about this boycott:
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Here is the press release by the UK government saying that boycotting Israel by public institutions is illegal. They are simply highlighting existing laws and agreements that make all boycotts of countries under the WTO illegal.
Notably, the press release explicitly says that the boycotts pushed by the BDS movement are "fuelling anti-Semitism."
Note also that the same press release also reiterates support for labeling all goods from the territories:
The PLO is furious, and is using the "peace process" that they oppose as a reason to boycott Israel:
Peace-seeker Zomlot likes analogies to bullets, because he also told Financial Times "This is a bullet at the very heart of a peaceful resolution to the conflict in the Middle East and the very heart of democracy in Britain."
Notably, the press release explicitly says that the boycotts pushed by the BDS movement are "fuelling anti-Semitism."
Note also that the same press release also reiterates support for labeling all goods from the territories:
Here are the actual guidelines that were issued, which do not mention Israel at all:Guidance published today makes clear that procurement boycotts by public authorities are inappropriate, outside where formal legal sanctions, embargoes and restrictions have been put in place by the government.
Town hall boycotts undermine good community relations, poisoning and polarising debate, weakening integration and fuelling anti-Semitism.
Locally imposed boycotts can roll back integration as well as hinder Britain’s export trade and harm international relationship.
All contracting authorities will be impacted by this new guidance including central government, executive agencies, non-departmental public bodies, the wider public sector, local authorities and NHS bodies. Any public body found to be in breach of the regulations could be subject to severe penalties.
The World Trade Organisation Government Procurement Agreement – an international market access agreement – requires all those countries that have signed up to the Agreement to treat suppliers equally. This includes the EU and Israel. Any discrimination against Israeli suppliers involving procurements would therefore be in breach of the Agreement.
The guidance published today complements existing government guidance about trading or investing overseas (including with Israel), where we advise UK businesses to consider any potential legal and economic risks of doing so. It is also in line with the government’s existing policy of support for clear and transparent labelling of settlement products to ensure that individual consumers are able to make informed choices before they buy.
Cabinet Office Minister, Matthew Hancock said:We need to challenge and prevent these divisive town hall boycotts. The new guidance on procurement combined with changes we are making to how pension pots can be invested will help prevent damaging and counter-productive local foreign policies undermining our national security.
We support UK local authorities, businesses and individual consumers alike in making informed choices about how they procure services and products from overseas.
Procurement Policy Note: Ensuring compliance with wider international obligations when letting public contracts
Information Note 01/16 17th February 2016
Issue
1. This PPN sets out contracting authorities’ international obligations when letting public contracts. It makes clear that boycotts in public procurement are inappropriate, outside where formal legal sanctions, embargoes and restrictions have been put in place by the UK Government.
Dissemination and Scope
2. This PPN is directly applicable to all contracting authorities, including Central Government, Executive Agencies, Non Departmental Public Bodies, wider public sector, local authorities and NHS bodies. Please circulate this document (for information) within your organisation, including where relevant to Executive Agencies and Non Departmental Public Bodies and other contracting authorities for which you are responsible, drawing it to the attention of those with a purchasing role.
Advice
3. The UK has a longstanding and widely accepted policy that applies to all public contracts, of ensuring value for money in public procurement, as set out in HMT's Managing Public Money. Value for money is defined as securing the best mix of quality and effectiveness for the least outlay over the period of use of the goods or services bought. That definition has recently been updated to make clearer that the key factor is whole life cost, not necessarily the lowest purchase price.
4. Further, wider policy objectives (such as economic or employment-related considerations) can be pursued through the procurement process where they are linked to the subject-matter of the contract. The new Public Contract Regulations (PCR) 2015 also provide flexibility for authorities to take account of wider matters in the procurement process, such as social and environmental factors. Contracting authorities may apply these flexibilities where relevant, ensuring always that all suppliers are treated equally and without discrimination.
5. The UK's regime of procurement rules (the PCR 2015), derives largely from the EU procurement directives and the WTO Government Procurement Agreement (GPA) - an international market access agreement. These rules impose a legal obligation on public authorities when awarding contracts above certain thresholds to treat EU and GPA 2 suppliers equally, and not discriminate by, amongst other things, favouring national suppliers. There are remedies available through the courts for breaches of these rules, such as damages, fines and ineffectiveness (contract cancellation). The European Commission can also bring legal proceedings against the UK Government for alleged breaches of EU law by a UK contracting authority. This can lead to formal action being required to rectify the breach, and substantial fines against the Government. The Government will always involve the relevant contracting authority in these proceedings.
6. Suppliers from "third countries" (which are neither part of the EU, nor the GPA or other international free-trade agreements with the EU) do not enjoy access to our remedies system if they are discriminated against. However, third country suppliers could, potentially, offer the best value for money outcome, so the UK Government expects that its authorities will deal with bids from such third countries in the same way as EU or GPA countries.
7. Public procurement should never be used as a tool to boycott tenders from suppliers based in other countries, except where formal legal sanctions, embargoes and restrictions have been put in place by the UK Government. There are wider national and international consequences from imposing such local level boycotts. They can damage integration and community cohesion within the United Kingdom, hinder Britain’s export trade, and harm foreign relations to the detriment of Britain’s economic and international security. As highlighted earlier, it can also be unlawful and lead to severe penalties against the contracting authority and the Government.
Contact
8. Enquiries about this PPN should be directed to the Crown Commercial Service Helpdesk (telephone 0345 410 2222, email info@crowncommercial.gov.uk)
The PLO is furious, and is using the "peace process" that they oppose as a reason to boycott Israel:
That is the entire PLO foreign policy message in a single sentence. They have no responsibilities, only rights, including many that no one else has.“This policy puts the UK in the position of defending Israel’s occupation, expansion, racism and colonialism,” said Husam Zomlot, ambassador-at-large for the Palestinian leadership.
"It is a bullet at the heart of peacemaking because peace will only come when Israel is under pressure and feels consequences for its illegal actions."
Peace-seeker Zomlot likes analogies to bullets, because he also told Financial Times "This is a bullet at the very heart of a peaceful resolution to the conflict in the Middle East and the very heart of democracy in Britain."
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Re: Boycotting Israel isn't anti-Semitic – how many human rights groups need to condemn it until this is clear?
So that is the to forum Jew/Israeli haters exposed for their racism
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The British government is currently preparing to unveil rules that will prohibit public institutions from adopting boycotts against Israel. Under the new legislation, all publicly funded institutions, such as local town halls, universities, and students unions, could face prosecution should they pursue and enforce the boycott of goods and services from the Jewish state.
Critics argue that the move amounts to a gross attack on democratic freedoms. But does it really? The truth is that there is nothing democratic about singling out Israel – and only Israel - for boycotts out of all countries in the world. Israel is a vibrant democracy that protects the rights of women, homosexuals and religious minorities. Arabs in Israel have more freedoms than Arabs in any other Arab country. In fact, Israel is the only functioning democracy in the entire Middle East region, surrounded by cruel dictatorships that engage in systematic and egregious human rights violations. And yet the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement calls for the isolation of only one state: Israel.
Across Europe, politicians, academics and students launch "Israel Apartheid week", erect "Israeli Apartheid Walls" and push for cities and campuses to become "Israel-free zones". If you are looking for "Iran Apartheid week", one of the worst violators of human rights in the world, you are looking in vain. If you are searching for a "Saudi Apartheid Wall", a kingdom where gender apartheid is practiced in its purest form, you will be disappointed. And if you are looking for a "Syria-free zone", in protest against Bashar al-Assad's murderous campaign against his own people, you will find no such thing.
The primary goal of the BDS movement is the destruction of Israel, not the well-being of the Palestinian people. How else might one explain the selective outrage and moral myopia when it comes to the imprisonment, torture and killing of Palestinians in Arab countries?
The Syrian regime currently starves to death almost 18,000 Palestinians in the notorious Yarmouk refugee camp near Damascus. Hundreds have already died from malnutrition. However, if you visit the website of the Palestinian Solidarity Camp, you get all the information on why and how to get involved in BDS. However, the suffering of the Palestinians in Yarmouk is little more than a side issue to them.
The BDS movement and its supporters seek not only the destruction and delegitimisation of the state of Israel, it also demonises and targets Jewish people at a time when Europe is becoming increasingly unsafe for those who openly identify as Jews. Every year on Holocaust Memorial Day, we are being reminded of the parallels between the Shoa and the alleged genocide of Palestinians in Gaza.
Of course, freedom of speech, not matter how intellectually dishonest one's position might be, is not a crime and boycotts, per se, are not inherently racist. But too often anti-Israel sentiments are used as a political cover for anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism is not free speech. In fact, like any form of racial intolerance, it is the enemy of free speech.
Let us be clear about the true nature of the BDS movement. They want Israel to be erased from the map. The BDS leadership advocates the full right return of the Palestinians - from the river to the sea – a "Judenfrei" Middle East region. That makes BDS more than just an anti-Israel movement; it makes it an attack on the very principles we hold dear in this country.
To oppose BDS is a moral imperative and the new British legislation, expected to be announced by Matt Hancock, Britain's cabinet office minister, on a visit to Israel later this week, should be welcomed. It is a necessity against a movement that, for too long, has applied double standards that have dangerously blurred the line between legitimate criticism of Israeli policies and anti-Semitism.
It also sets Britain apart from a controversial directive issued by the European Union (EU) in November 2015 that makes it mandatory for Israeli producers to explicitly label goods produced in disputed territories. Again, it is difficult to see how the new EU directive is not discriminatory against the Jewish state, given that the EU does not enforce the same legislation in other long-standing international territorial disputes, such as Tibet, Western-Sahara and Kashmir.
Perhaps Britain, with its principled and courageous stance against the boycotts against Israel, can offer a model to the rest of Europe.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-boycotts-are-used-cover-anti-semitism-britain-must-take-stand-democracy-1544252
Critics argue that the move amounts to a gross attack on democratic freedoms. But does it really? The truth is that there is nothing democratic about singling out Israel – and only Israel - for boycotts out of all countries in the world. Israel is a vibrant democracy that protects the rights of women, homosexuals and religious minorities. Arabs in Israel have more freedoms than Arabs in any other Arab country. In fact, Israel is the only functioning democracy in the entire Middle East region, surrounded by cruel dictatorships that engage in systematic and egregious human rights violations. And yet the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement calls for the isolation of only one state: Israel.
Across Europe, politicians, academics and students launch "Israel Apartheid week", erect "Israeli Apartheid Walls" and push for cities and campuses to become "Israel-free zones". If you are looking for "Iran Apartheid week", one of the worst violators of human rights in the world, you are looking in vain. If you are searching for a "Saudi Apartheid Wall", a kingdom where gender apartheid is practiced in its purest form, you will be disappointed. And if you are looking for a "Syria-free zone", in protest against Bashar al-Assad's murderous campaign against his own people, you will find no such thing.
The primary goal of the BDS movement is the destruction of Israel, not the well-being of the Palestinian people. How else might one explain the selective outrage and moral myopia when it comes to the imprisonment, torture and killing of Palestinians in Arab countries?
The Syrian regime currently starves to death almost 18,000 Palestinians in the notorious Yarmouk refugee camp near Damascus. Hundreds have already died from malnutrition. However, if you visit the website of the Palestinian Solidarity Camp, you get all the information on why and how to get involved in BDS. However, the suffering of the Palestinians in Yarmouk is little more than a side issue to them.
The BDS movement and its supporters seek not only the destruction and delegitimisation of the state of Israel, it also demonises and targets Jewish people at a time when Europe is becoming increasingly unsafe for those who openly identify as Jews. Every year on Holocaust Memorial Day, we are being reminded of the parallels between the Shoa and the alleged genocide of Palestinians in Gaza.
Of course, freedom of speech, not matter how intellectually dishonest one's position might be, is not a crime and boycotts, per se, are not inherently racist. But too often anti-Israel sentiments are used as a political cover for anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism is not free speech. In fact, like any form of racial intolerance, it is the enemy of free speech.
Let us be clear about the true nature of the BDS movement. They want Israel to be erased from the map. The BDS leadership advocates the full right return of the Palestinians - from the river to the sea – a "Judenfrei" Middle East region. That makes BDS more than just an anti-Israel movement; it makes it an attack on the very principles we hold dear in this country.
To oppose BDS is a moral imperative and the new British legislation, expected to be announced by Matt Hancock, Britain's cabinet office minister, on a visit to Israel later this week, should be welcomed. It is a necessity against a movement that, for too long, has applied double standards that have dangerously blurred the line between legitimate criticism of Israeli policies and anti-Semitism.
It also sets Britain apart from a controversial directive issued by the European Union (EU) in November 2015 that makes it mandatory for Israeli producers to explicitly label goods produced in disputed territories. Again, it is difficult to see how the new EU directive is not discriminatory against the Jewish state, given that the EU does not enforce the same legislation in other long-standing international territorial disputes, such as Tibet, Western-Sahara and Kashmir.
Perhaps Britain, with its principled and courageous stance against the boycotts against Israel, can offer a model to the rest of Europe.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-boycotts-are-used-cover-anti-semitism-britain-must-take-stand-democracy-1544252
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Re: Boycotting Israel isn't anti-Semitic – how many human rights groups need to condemn it until this is clear?
Of course it's not anti-semitic.
There's nothing wrong with boycotting companies, or even whole countries, if you don't approve of they way they behave. One might have boycotted L'Oreal, for example, because they used animal testing, and then they stopped. If someone wants to boycott a country because they disapprove of the way their Government behaves, that is their right - like I said I would boycott Zimbabwe the other day.
The issue only seems to be a problem in relation to public bodies - those which get public money. Other organisations are free to boycott who they like, are they not?
There's nothing wrong with boycotting companies, or even whole countries, if you don't approve of they way they behave. One might have boycotted L'Oreal, for example, because they used animal testing, and then they stopped. If someone wants to boycott a country because they disapprove of the way their Government behaves, that is their right - like I said I would boycott Zimbabwe the other day.
The issue only seems to be a problem in relation to public bodies - those which get public money. Other organisations are free to boycott who they like, are they not?
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Re: Boycotting Israel isn't anti-Semitic – how many human rights groups need to condemn it until this is clear?
Of course it is when the view is to target Jews through being israelis
Read the article and stop wasting time when you have not bothered to do so
Read the article and stop wasting time when you have not bothered to do so
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Also targeting Zimbabwe is making all its people culpable when many suffer already under Mugabe, not the brightest move at all and again very racist
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Raggamuffin wrote:Of course it's not anti-semitic.
There's nothing wrong with boycotting companies, or even whole countries, if you don't approve of they way they behave. One might have boycotted L'Oreal, for example, because they used animal testing, and then they stopped. If someone wants to boycott a country because they disapprove of the way their Government behaves, that is their right - like I said I would boycott Zimbabwe the other day.
The issue only seems to be a problem in relation to public bodies - those which get public money. Other organisations are free to boycott who they like, are they not?
Quite. America and the UK were quite happy to impose sanctions ie boycott, Iraq and they caused 100s of 1000s of children to die https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq#Infant_and_child_death_rates
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sassy wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:Of course it's not anti-semitic.
There's nothing wrong with boycotting companies, or even whole countries, if you don't approve of they way they behave. One might have boycotted L'Oreal, for example, because they used animal testing, and then they stopped. If someone wants to boycott a country because they disapprove of the way their Government behaves, that is their right - like I said I would boycott Zimbabwe the other day.
The issue only seems to be a problem in relation to public bodies - those which get public money. Other organisations are free to boycott who they like, are they not?
Quite. America and the UK were quite happy to impose sanctions ie boycott, Iraq and they caused 100s of 1000s of children to die https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq#Infant_and_child_death_rates
Yes, it does seem a bit hypocritical when the Government itself indulges in what amount to boycotts. Isn't it to do with trading rules or something?
My concern would be that public bodies are supposed to represent all the people they serve, not just those who agree with them, so a boycott could be misconstrued as a political statement which could alienate those who don't agree with the boycott.
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Re: Boycotting Israel isn't anti-Semitic – how many human rights groups need to condemn it until this is clear?
Again who says sanctions are right?
Even then have sanctions worked against nations?
Take Cuba, as it never worked
Again sanctions should be against individuals as has happened in Russia
Just because other wrongs have happened does not make another right, that iks just plain dumb and sanctions and different to a boycott, as there are specific in what they target
Even then have sanctions worked against nations?
Take Cuba, as it never worked
Again sanctions should be against individuals as has happened in Russia
Just because other wrongs have happened does not make another right, that iks just plain dumb and sanctions and different to a boycott, as there are specific in what they target
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Raggamuffin wrote:sassy wrote:
Quite. America and the UK were quite happy to impose sanctions ie boycott, Iraq and they caused 100s of 1000s of children to die https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq#Infant_and_child_death_rates
Yes, it does seem a bit hypocritical when the Government itself indulges in what amount to boycotts. Isn't it to do with trading rules or something?
My concern would be that public bodies are supposed to represent all the people they serve, not just those who agree with them, so a boycott could be misconstrued as a political statement which could alienate those who don't agree with the boycott.
That's quite funny, as the government are supposed to represent all the people they serve. If councillors are elected on a platform of ethical investment, then they will be doing what they were elected to do.
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But going against the Uk overall policy
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sassy wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
Yes, it does seem a bit hypocritical when the Government itself indulges in what amount to boycotts. Isn't it to do with trading rules or something?
My concern would be that public bodies are supposed to represent all the people they serve, not just those who agree with them, so a boycott could be misconstrued as a political statement which could alienate those who don't agree with the boycott.
That's quite funny, as the government are supposed to represent all the people they serve. If councillors are elected on a platform of ethical investment, then they will be doing what they were elected to do.
I do take your point, but legally-speaking, it seems to be a different situation.
Let's take the example of a students' union. What if there are Israeli students? I'm not saying that anyone would be mean to them, but they might feel a bit ostracised and unwelcome in the students' bar or wherever, and that doesn't seem right. Even Jewish students who weren't from Israel might feel the same way.
As a matter of interest, does this rule on boycotts also apply to charities which get public money?
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That is what is happening though, take for example this in the US
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Students-in-Brooklyn-College-demand-Zionists-off-campus-445381
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Students-in-Brooklyn-College-demand-Zionists-off-campus-445381
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I love it when two act like two year olds thinking they can outsmart,but will always come on stuck hee hee
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