'Hundreds' of masked men beat refugee children in Stockholm

by Guest Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:01 pm

Hundreds of masked men marched through Stockholm's main train station on Friday evening, reportedly beating up refugees and anyone who didn't appear to be ethnically Swedish. Wearing all-black balaclavas and armbands, the men "gathered with the purpose of attacking refugee children," Stockholm police spokesperson Towe Hagg said. "I saw maybe three people who were beaten. That was no football brawl or something similar. They targeted migrants. I was quite scared and ran away," an eyewitness told the Aftonbladet newspaper.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hundreds-of-masked-men-beat-refugee-children-in-stockholm-a6843451.html

Gutless idiots.
You want to protest, that is fine, beating up children for just being refugees is child abuse.

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:08 pm

I have read that the police have not confirmed any assaults took place... and it was never suggested that any children had been attacked either!

by Guest Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:12 pm

Really? So prey tell how you can place a charge against any suspect, without identification Tommy by the victims?

So its not clear how true this is and we have to go off eyewitnesses, but just because somebody has not been charged is far more likely, that they have not been able to identify who exactly, if they did beat up these children.

"I saw maybe three people who were beaten. That was no football brawl or something similar. They targeted migrants. I was quite scared and ran away," an eyewitness told the Aftonbladet newspaper.

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:56 pm

Police have not confirmed any reported assaults.

Your 'eyewitness' didn't say children either... said MAYBE 3 people...

How can you claim something definitely happened without proof...!?

by Guest Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:02 pm

So where i am open on this, you have made up your mind based off this one article?

So lets post up other sources, one of which you love Tommy, the daily hate mail

[*]Black-clad masked men targeted refugees at Stockholm train station
[*]The mob, linked to football hooligans, targeted unaccompanied minors
[*]Before attack they handed out racist leaflets with message 'Enough now'
[*]They also refer to alleged murder of Swedish aid worker Alexandra Mezher
[*]She was stabbed to death breaking up fight between two migrant boys

A mob of black-clad masked men went on a rampage in and around Stockholm's main train station last night beating up refugees and anyone who did not look like they were ethnically Swedish.
Before the attack, the group of 200 people handed out xenophobic leaflets with the message 'Enough now'. Swedish media reported that the thugs, allegedly linked to Sweden's football hooligan scene, were targeting unaccompanied minors with a 'foreign' background. The mob, wearing all-black balaclavas and armbands, 'gathered with the purpose of attacking refugee children' Stockholm police spokesman Towe Hagg said.
'Police are now looking into the leaflets that were handed out by masked people before the attack'. Authorities confirmed that at least 40-50 people went on a rampage at 9pm on Friday night attacking migrants. Witnesses (plural) told Aftonbladet newspaper that they saw a gang of black-clad thugs attacking refugees at the station. 'I saw maybe three people who were beaten. That was no football brawl or something similar. They targeted migrants. I was quite scared and ran away,' a witness said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423968/Mobs-hundreds-masked-men-rampage-Stockholm-central-station-beating-refugee-children.html

by Guest Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:11 pm

Right, lets see what comes out of this, but it seems far more probable based on the information that some migrants or refugees have been attacked. Just very amusing how you go on the defensive immediately Tommy by jumping here, trying to downplay and even whitewash the suspected crime happening. The regressive lefties do the same, when there is an unconfirmed Islamic terrorist attack or try to claim other extremists as responsible.

There is nothing wrong with peaceful protesting, even if the views held are driven by emotive hate, but everyone should condemn such appalling violent hate crimes if and when this is confirmed.

Again your emotions are what drives your thought process and give away all too easily your prejudiced views

Catch you later

by eddie Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:02 pm

Well I will be interested to see if the same people that disbelieved the cologne attacks will disbelieve this story lol

by Major Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:11 pm

I do not believe children were beaten up, WHERE is the deffo evidence?

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:18 pm

I have read/heard several different reports before you posted this article today... none of them claimed children were attacked and no all said that police had not confirmed any reports of attacks.

by Original Quill Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:33 pm

eddie wrote:Well I will be interested to see if the same people that disbelieved the cologne attacks will disbelieve this story lol

I suspect it will be the other way around. This time the RW'ers will disbelieve.

by eddie Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:23 pm

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:Well I will be interested to see if the same people that disbelieved the cologne attacks will disbelieve this story lol

I suspect it will be the other way around. This time the RW'ers will disbelieve.

You're all as bad as eachother Basketball

by Ben Reilly Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:52 pm

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:Well I will be interested to see if the same people that disbelieved the cologne attacks will disbelieve this story lol

I suspect it will be the other way around. This time the RW'ers will disbelieve.

Did anybody disbelieve the Cologne attacks? I don't remember that happening here, at least.

by Raggamuffin Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:57 pm

It was more a case of "it's only a few", etc. Well if this happened, it's only a few chaps who did it.

by eddie Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:52 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:It was more a case of "it's only a few", etc. Well if this happened, it's only a few chaps who did it.

Exactly

by veya_victaous Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:04 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:It was more a case of "it's only a few", etc. Well if this happened, it's only a few chaps who did it.

it is only a few clearly.

that is why the few that out themselves by being members of England First and other such 'nationalist' groups need to be dealt with swiftly.

Just like most of the issues with refugees could have been avoided if they were dealt with swiftly. weather it they are refugees or uber-nationalists the enemies of western secular values need to be dealt with swiftly and decisively

by Raggamuffin Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:09 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:It was more a case of "it's only a few", etc. Well if this happened, it's only a few chaps who did it.

it is only a few clearly.

that is why the few that out themselves by being members of England First and other such 'nationalist' groups need to be dealt with swiftly.

Just like most of the issues with refugees could have been avoided if they were dealt with swiftly. weather it they are refugees or uber-nationalists the enemies of western secular values need to be dealt with swiftly and decisively

Britain First.

There's no evidence that anyone from Britain First was in Stockholm beating anyone up.

by veya_victaous Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:25 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:It was more a case of "it's only a few", etc. Well if this happened, it's only a few chaps who did it.

it is only a few clearly.

that is why the few that out themselves by being members of England First and other such 'nationalist' groups need to be dealt with swiftly.

Just like most of the issues with refugees could have been avoided if they were dealt with swiftly. weather it they are refugees or uber-nationalists the enemies of western secular values need to be dealt with swiftly and decisively

Britain First.

There's no evidence that anyone from Britain First was in Stockholm beating anyone up.

never said there were,
they are an example fo the uber-nationalist groups plaguing Europe at the moment.
Much Like Islamist extermism they need to be dealt with.

by Raggamuffin Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:28 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Britain First.

There's no evidence that anyone from Britain First was in Stockholm beating anyone up.

never said there were,
they are an example fo the uber-nationalist groups plaguing Europe at the moment.
Much Like Islamist extermism they need to be dealt with.

This is a thread about an alleged incident in Sweden. It's not about Britain First (or England First). Perhaps you should stick to the point.

by Guest Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:38 pm

Inside the Neo-Nazi 'firm': Swedish football hooligans tell how they teamed up to launch vicious attack on Stockholm migrants

Men from football 'firm' DFG joined with others from rival AIK in attacks
Groups had been planning rampage for a 'long time', a member revealed
Up to 50 masked men stormed Stockholm's station and targeted migrants
Swedish police battling to control football 'firms', which attract criminals

A Swedish football hooligan has revealed how gangs including a 'Neo-Nazi firm' joined together to launch Friday's vicious attack on migrants.
Up to 50 black-clad masked men stormed Stockholm's main train station around 9pm and targeted unaccompanied children who did not look ethnically 'Swedish'.
They handed out leaflets with the slogan 'enough now' emblazoned across them and incited people to attack the migrants before beating several 'foreign' people and fleeing.
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A Swedish football hooligan has revealed how gangs including a 'Neo-Nazi firm' joined together to launch Friday's vicious attack on migrants. Above, a man is searched following the night's attacks
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Up to 50 black-clad masked men stormed Stockholm's main train station around 9pm and targeted unaccompanied children who did not look ethnically 'Swedish'. Above, a man with a hat and hood covering his face is spotted in Stockholm
A member of one of the city's football 'firms' has now admitted to MailOnline that his group, DFG, was responsible for the attack.
He revealed a handful of men from the club teamed up with others from their usual rivals AIK, as well as being joined by several Polish hooligans.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, he said: 'This is something that we have talked about for a long time.

'We feel the police are not doing their job. Our wives, girlfriends and daughters cannot feel safe in the centre parts of Stockholm during the night.
'We feel that this is shameful for a country like Sweden and wanted to make a statement that it is not OK.'
Members from DFG - or Djurgårdens IF - and AIK are typically rivals and have only joined together once before, the man, who was not part of the attacks, also revealed.
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Video footage had emerged showing the mob sprinting through the station as children ran away screaming
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Before the attack, a group of people started handing out xenophobic leaflets with the message 'Enough now'
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Authorities had said the mob was linked to the Swedish football hooligan scene

They usually clash with each other in relation to sporting events and last fought each other in a bloody six-minute battle following a hockey game just 17 days before Friday's attacks.
The man added: 'The only time that we have seen something like this [Friday night] was in the Euros in 1992, when they [the firms] teamed up to fight English hooligans under the banner "defend Stockholm".'
Friday night's surprise attacks shocked station workers and migrants who had congregated at the station for the evening.
Witnesses reported seeing groups of up to 50 men storming through the station as groups of youths attempted to hide.
Johanna Brixander, who supervises volunteers working to try and prevent crime at the station, said she saw children screaming as they ran down the escalators in a desperate bid to get away from the men.
She said: 'A few seconds later a group of masked men came running towards us. They were screaming chants I have never heard before in Swedish.
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Two police officers stand guard following the attacks. Johanna Brixander, who supervises volunteers working to try and prevent crime at the station, said she saw children screaming as they ran down the escalators in a desperate bid to get away from the men
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They group were said to hand out leaflets with the slogan 'enough now' emblazoned across them and incited people to attack the migrants before beating several 'foreign' people and fleeing. Above, dozens of police gather at the station following the attacks
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A member of one of the city's football 'firms' has now admitted to MailOnline that his group, DFG, was responsible for the attack. Above, police officers talk to a man waiting at the station
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Two officers could then be seen leading the man, who was wearing a green coat with fur trim and jeans, away
'People got beaten really bad before our own eyes. Big groups of youths tried to hide everywhere. It was very chaotic and I was really afraid when it happened.
'Most of the kids who got beaten were just ordinary people born and raised in Sweden,' she added. 'Their hair colour just happened to not be blonde.'
Assam, who was born in Sweden, was pushed to the ground by a masked man but did not get injured. He said the men did not care whether they were attacking boys or girls - their only focus was colour.
My friend's girlfriend was badly beaten, they kicked her while she was laying on the ground
Assam, a witness to Friday's attacks
'I did [not] really understand what was happening until I was laying on the ground,' Assam said. 'It was totally insane.
'My friend's girlfriend was badly beaten, they kicked her while she was laying on the ground.
'[It] did not make a difference if they were beating girls or boys. Everyone who had dark hair or skin was their targets.'
One gang member was arrested for punching an officer in the face and several others were detained for public order offences - but the majority of the group managed to escape.
Police are currently battling to control the 'firms' with officers claiming the rivalry often affects the entire Swedish capital.
Video footage shows the groups mauling each other in the street as police attempt to contain them ahead of one match.
Previous reports also suggest an entire restaurant in Stockholm was destroyed when one of the 'firms' held a Christmas party.
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Police are now battling to control the 'firms' with officers claiming the rivalry often affects the entire Swedish capital. Above, a football stand went up in flames after the rival 'firms' set off several firecrackers

Around 50 men who attended the event started a fight using the restaurant's furniture and glassware before throwing stones at officers when they arrived to calm the situation down.
Fredrik Gårdare, director of the country's special action force against the firms, previously told Aftonbladet: 'If we look at recruitment and those who join these gangs they are all quite young.
'It is, of course, some who are interested in football, but we also see those who are not.'
He added to MailOnline: 'It has become somewhat fashionable for the established criminal environment to look towards [the firms] and examine whether the grass is greener inside [them].
'[The firms have] the same kind of standards and regulations as criminal gangs.
'It is essentially the same quest for communion with family, friends and then to do things together - partying, fighting and... various crimes - that makes them feel like they are in a brotherhood.'
The attacks, however, do not appear to have put everyone off from going out in Stockholm.
Assam said he was not scared enough by Friday's attacks to stop meeting his friends at the station.
'I was born here, why should I feel unsafe when I am meeting my friends to go to a bar or a cinema in the centre parts of Stockholm,' he said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3425299/Inside-Neo-Nazi-firm-Swedish-football-hooligans-tell-teamed-launch-vicious-attack-Stockholm-migrants.html#ixzz3yrtcYORQ
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RW Nazi football thugs.

by veya_victaous Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:53 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Britain First.

There's no evidence that anyone from Britain First was in Stockholm beating anyone up.

never said there were,
they are an example fo the uber-nationalist groups plaguing Europe at the moment.
Much Like Islamist extermism they need to be dealt with.

This is a thread about an alleged incident in Sweden. It's not about Britain First (or England First). Perhaps you should stick to the point.

'European terrorists' who gives a shit what they call themesleves they are all the same as far as I can see.
Sweden England whatever, old white countires that act like toddlers and can't get along. the differnt nations of the EU mean as much to me as the different states in the USA. Are you going to use the Quill defense and calim that Sweden is like Florida (or Queensland)
All of Europe has a Massive problem with these Uber nationalists.
Europe, Middle East, North Africa whole lot is a shit heap of primitiave two bit tribal terrorists like Stormee.
As Victor And Nicko Suggest the easist solution is just nuke the lot. Rolling Eyes

by Guest Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:54 pm

You ain't wrong Veya.

by Raggamuffin Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:54 pm

Sassy quoting from the Daily Mail? Whatever next? Laughing

It's not clear if there is a trend emerging whereby the influx of refugees, and the perceived lack of action by the police against criminal elements amongst them, will be met by violence. It sometimes feels like Europe is going up in flames.

by Guest Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:56 pm

DM simply happened to be the first one I found it in, and had lots of pictures.

by Raggamuffin Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:56 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

This is a thread about an alleged incident in Sweden. It's not about Britain First (or England First). Perhaps you should stick to the point.

'European terrorists' who gives a shit what they call themesleves they are all the same as far as I can see.
Sweden England whatever, old white countires that act like toddlers and can't get along. the differnt nations of the EU mean as much to me as the different states in the USA. Are you going to use the Quill defense and calim that Sweden is like Florida (or Queensland)
All of Europe has a Massive problem with these Uber nationalists.
Europe, Middle East, North Africa whole lot is a shit heap of primitiave two bit tribal terrorists like Stormee.
As Victor And Nicko Suggest the easist solution is just nuke the lot.

Britain is not Sweden, and Europe isn't one big nation. It might seem that way to you, being from the wrong end of the world. Sweden is generally a very tolerant country, but it seems that there is some resistance forming to this influx of refugees and the behaviour of some of them.

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:09 am

It's really not very clear what actually happened, but it appears to be a reaction to the murder of Alexandra Mezher by a bloke who is allegedly 15 - even though he looks much older than that. If he really is 15 and there's any sign that the court will go easy on him on the grounds that he's a "child", I suspect there will be a lot more trouble.

by Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:15 am

Teenage girl admits making up migrant rape claim that outraged Germany

Allegation by 13-year-old sparked far-right protests and anger in the Kremlin

A 13-year-old Russian-German girl has admitted making up a story about being kidnapped and raped by migrants in a case that triggered a furore in Germany and briefly embroiled Berlin police in a spat with the Kremlin, state prosecutors said.
The parents of the teenager, named only as Lisa, reported her missing on 11 January after she failed to appear at school in the Marzahn district of the capital. She reappeared 30 hours later with injuries on her face, and told her parents she had been attacked by men of Middle Eastern or north African appearance. News of the incident spread on social media, sparking outrage among Berlin’s Russian-German community.
But when she was questioned by trained specialists three days later “she immediately admitted that the story of the rape was not true”, said the spokesman for the state prosecutor, Martin Steltner.
He said the teenager had been scared of going home after the school had contacted her parents over an incident at school.
Yet the allegations caused uproar in Berlin, particularly after reports of mass sexual assaults allegedly carried out by migrants in Cologne. A Russian-German community group staged a protest, supported by the Pegida-related Bärgida movement. The far-right National Democratic party also demonstrated in Marzahn.

The mood was exacerbated by a report on Russian state TV, in which the girl’s relatives claimed her allegations were not being investigated.
The Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, also weighed in to criticise the Berlin authorities. “The news that she disappeared was kept secret for a very long time,” he told a press conference, blaming “political correctness”.
Analysis of the teenager’s mobile phone records showed she had spent the night with a friend, who is not being treated as a suspect.
Her mother told Der Spiegel magazine on Sunday that Lisa was “doing very badly” and was having treatment in a psychiatric ward.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/31/teenage-girl-made-up-migrant-claim-that-caused-uproar-in-germany

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:17 am

I hadn't seen that story Sassy, and it's about Germany. The murder of Alexandra Mezher did actually happen though.

by Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:20 am

I know it did and don't condone it in anyway, the Cologne story was too far back on the forum. After what they have been through, some of these kids are going to be disturbed, to say the least.

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:22 am

sassy wrote:I know it did and don't condone it in anyway, the Cologne story was too far back on the forum. After what they have been through, some of these kids are going to be disturbed, to say the least.

Maybe so, but that kind of argument just isn't going to cut any ice. The murdered girl was doing her best and trying to help, and the guy killed her. In fact, if people start saying that these "kids" are disturbed, there will be even more trouble because they will be seen as potential killers.

by Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:30 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:I know it did and don't condone it in anyway, the Cologne story was too far back on the forum. After what they have been through, some of these kids are going to be disturbed, to say the least.

Maybe so, but that kind of argument just isn't going to cut any ice. The murdered girl was doing her best and trying to help, and the guy killed her. In fact, if people start saying that these "kids" are disturbed, there will be even more trouble because they will be seen as potential killers.

Anyone with any sense would already know they are going to be disturbed, you think you can go through the hell they have gone through and come out unscathed? Especially kids that are on their own, probably seen their relatives killed etc. Whether it is going to cut any ice is beside the point, you have to deal with facts and it's fact that people who have endured horror and going to be affected by it.

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:32 am

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Maybe so, but that kind of argument just isn't going to cut any ice. The murdered girl was doing her best and trying to help, and the guy killed her. In fact, if people start saying that these "kids" are disturbed, there will be even more trouble because they will be seen as potential killers.

Anyone with any sense would already know they are going to be disturbed, you think you can go through the hell they have gone through and come out unscathed? Especially kids that are on their own, probably seen their relatives killed etc. Whether it is going to cut any ice is beside the point, you have to deal with facts and it's fact that people who have endured horror and going to be affected by it.

We don't actually know that this guy was disturbed though. We do know that he stabbed a girl and killed her. If you think that people are going to overlook that ...

If it's a fact that refugees are going to be a danger to others on the grounds that they're "disturbed", you're making an argument in favour of deporting them.

by Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:34 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:

Anyone with any sense would already know they are going to be disturbed, you think you can go through the hell they have gone through and come out unscathed? Especially kids that are on their own, probably seen their relatives killed etc. Whether it is going to cut any ice is beside the point, you have to deal with facts and it's fact that people who have endured horror and going to be affected by it.

We don't actually know that this guy was disturbed though. We do know that he stabbed a girl and killed her. If you think that people are going to overlook that ...

If it's a fact that refugees are going to be a danger to others on the grounds that they're "disturbed", you're making an argument in favour of deporting them.

Nope, I'm saying they need extra help. They quite happily overlook the women and children that are killed by our troops in their lands.

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:35 am

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

We don't actually know that this guy was disturbed though. We do know that he stabbed a girl and killed her. If you think that people are going to overlook that ...

If it's a fact that refugees are going to be a danger to others on the grounds that they're "disturbed", you're making an argument in favour of deporting them.

Nope, I'm saying they need extra help. They quite happily overlook the women and children that are killed by our troops in their lands.

If others take that view and says that the "boy" needs help because he stabbed a young woman to death, it's no wonder that there's trouble.

by Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:36 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:

Nope, I'm saying they need extra help. They quite happily overlook the women and children that are killed by our troops in their lands.

If others take that view and says that the "boy" needs help because he stabbed a young woman to death, it's no wonder that there's trouble.

Now i think you are deliberately misunderstanding. They need extra help to stop that happening.

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:39 am

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

If others take that view and says that the "boy" needs help because he stabbed a young woman to death, it's no wonder that there's trouble.

Now i think you are deliberately misunderstanding. They need extra help to stop that happening.

No, they need telling that they're guests in Sweden, and that if they are violent they'll be chucked out before they murder a Swedish citizen.

by Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:42 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:

Now i think you are deliberately misunderstanding. They need extra help to stop that happening.

No, they need telling that they're guests in Sweden, and that if they are violent they'll be chucked out before they murder a Swedish citizen.

Oh yes, that's going to counteract the terror they have been though, great plan, full of understanding Rolling Eyes

You think any other race, creed or colour would be any different having gone through what they have? I had a great uncle who was interned by the Japanese in Malaya, would lash out at the slightest thing, half the time he didn't know what he was doing.

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:44 am

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

No, they need telling that they're guests in Sweden, and that if they are violent they'll be chucked out before they murder a Swedish citizen.

Oh yes, that's going to counteract the terror they have been though, great plan, full of understanding You think any other race, creed or colour would be any different having gone through what they have? I had a great uncle who was interned by the Japanese in Malaya, would lash out at the slightest thing, half the time he didn't know what he was doing.

What about the terror that young woman felt when she was stabbed, or does that not count? Your attitude will bring trouble because you are excusing her murderer, and you are already excusing any other migrant/refugee who might do the same thing.

by Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:45 am

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

We don't actually know that this guy was disturbed though. We do know that he stabbed a girl and killed her. If you think that people are going to overlook that ...

If it's a fact that refugees are going to be a danger to others on the grounds that they're "disturbed", you're making an argument in favour of deporting them.

Nope, I'm saying they need extra help. They quite happily overlook the women and children that are killed by our troops in their lands.

Our troops?
talk about clubbing the whole of the EU and West together and making the responsible for in many cases things they have never done. What astounds me is how the regressive left constantly over look the mass killings of Muslims by Muslims, to then make the entire west culpable for all these killings also.
Its plain absurdity at its best, which would place then something even more problematic about Islam, which such poor reasoning. The left try to make out removing Saddam and defeating the Taliban to be far worse than life under either where countless died

The reason we help refugees has nothing to with where we have intervened.
We do it fundamentally for humanitarian reasons

by Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:51 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:

Oh yes, that's going to counteract the terror they have been though, great plan, full of understanding You think any other race, creed or colour would be any different having gone through what they have? I had a great uncle who was interned by the Japanese in Malaya, would lash out at the slightest thing, half the time he didn't know what he was doing.

What about the terror that young woman felt when she was stabbed, or does that not count? Your attitude will bring trouble because you are excusing her murderer, and you are already excusing any other migrant/refugee who might do the same thing.

Of course it counts, that's why these children need screening for mental problems brought on by what has happened to them. Bloody hell, I nearly go stabbed when looking after mental health patients, so I know it happens. The safeguards have to be in place. And if you think I am excusing her murder you are not reading what I am writing.

by Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:53 am

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

No, they need telling that they're guests in Sweden, and that if they are violent they'll be chucked out before they murder a Swedish citizen.

Oh yes, that's going to counteract the terror they have been though, great plan, full of understanding You think any other race, creed or colour would be any different having gone through what they have? I had a great uncle who was interned by the Japanese in Malaya, would lash out at the slightest thing, half the time he didn't know what he was doing.

Which based off your reasoning and claims on Muslim, where you are claiming they are at risk of lashing out and turning to extremism. Is then you claiming, ether there is something wrong with Islam, that allows them to then forgo reason , be led by emotions, seeking revenge. Or iat the culture they come from. That is the absurd views you are making, as most people just like in South Africa, after years of Apartheid did not seek revenge but reconciliation. You have just poorly stereotyped Muslim refugees

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:54 am

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

What about the terror that young woman felt when she was stabbed, or does that not count? Your attitude will bring trouble because you are excusing her murderer, and you are already excusing any other migrant/refugee who might do the same thing.

Of course it counts, that's why these children need screening for mental problems brought on by what has happened to them. Bloody hell, I nearly go stabbed when looking after mental health patients, so I know it happens. The safeguards have to be in place. And if you think I am excusing her murder you are not reading what I am writing.

I think you are excusing her murderer. It's essential that the authorities in Sweden are seen to be putting the safety of Swedish citizens first. If they do not do that, there will be more and more trouble. If there's a danger that the refugees are "disturbed" in any way, they'll have to lock them up and put them under armed guard. They simply can't risk the lives of Swedish people who are trying to help them.

by Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:57 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:

Of course it counts, that's why these children need screening for mental problems brought on by what has happened to them. Bloody hell, I nearly go stabbed when looking after mental health patients, so I know it happens. The safeguards have to be in place. And if you think I am excusing her murder you are not reading what I am writing.

I think you are excusing her murderer. It's essential that the authorities in Sweden are seen to be putting the safety of Swedish citizens first. If they do not do that, there will be more and more trouble. If there's a danger that the refugees are "disturbed" in any way, they'll have to lock them up and put them under armed guard. They simply can't risk the lives of Swedish people who are trying to help them.

Well you think what you like Raggs, understanding why something happens is the key to stopping it happening again, but you carry on with the knee jerk reaction, I'm off to bed.

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:59 am

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I think you are excusing her murderer. It's essential that the authorities in Sweden are seen to be putting the safety of Swedish citizens first. If they do not do that, there will be more and more trouble. If there's a danger that the refugees are "disturbed" in any way, they'll have to lock them up and put them under armed guard. They simply can't risk the lives of Swedish people who are trying to help them.

Well you think what you like Raggs, understanding why something happens is the key to stopping it happening again, but you carry on with the knee jerk reaction, I'm off to bed.

The key to stopping it happening is to protect Swedish citizens against violent thugs, including "children" like this chap, who looks nothing like a "child" to me.

'Hundreds' of masked men beat refugee children in Stockholm 2016-01-28-20-10-27_Youssaf-Khaliif-Nuur_a

'Hundreds' of masked men beat refugee children in Stockholm 2016-01-28-20-10-27_Youssaf-Khaliif-Nuur_a

by veya_victaous Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:05 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

No, they need telling that they're guests in Sweden NO , and that if they are violent they'll be chucked out YES before they murder a Swedish citizen.

Oh yes, that's going to counteract the terror they have been though, great plan, full of understanding You think any other race, creed or colour would be any different having gone through what they have? I had a great uncle who was interned by the Japanese in Malaya, would lash out at the slightest thing, half the time he didn't know what he was doing.

What about the terror that young woman felt when she was stabbed, or does that not count? Your attitude will bring trouble because you are excusing her murderer, and you are already excusing any other migrant/refugee who might do the same thing.

OR you could treat them like INDIVIDUALS and arrest and punish Criminals.

I cant see how you can complain about the droning the UK/Europe for Uber-Nationalist terrorists when you want to treat all refugees badly because of one murderer. Rolling Eyes

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:10 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

What about the terror that young woman felt when she was stabbed, or does that not count? Your attitude will bring trouble because you are excusing her murderer, and you are already excusing any other migrant/refugee who might do the same thing.

OR you could treat them like INDIVIDUALS and arrest and punish Criminals.

I cant see how you can complain about the droning the UK/Europe for Uber-Nationalist terrorists when you want to treat all refugees badly because of one murderer.

I didn't say they should be treated badly, I said citizens need to be protected against violent thugs who go there and then behave violently against those who are trying to help them. It was Sassy who said the refugees will be "disturbed", which could make them dangerous. They should be deported if they show signs of violence.

I don't see how you can complain about what I'm saying after you said that a member of this forum should be bombed.

by Tommy Monk Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:54 am

The lefties are to blame for this back lash because they forced mass immigration onto the people importing a hostile and dangerous type of people who have been carrying out all manner of sexual attacks on the local women, and then have the police and other auyhorities do little or nothing about it, in many cases they even actively lied and covered up the truth and even looked after the rapists!

by Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:27 am

Tommy Monk wrote:The lefties are to blame for this back lash because they forced mass immigration onto the people importing a hostile and dangerous type of people who have been carrying out all manner of sexual attacks on the local women, and then have the police and other auyhorities do little or nothing about it, in many cases they even actively lied and covered up the truth and even looked after the rapists!

Wrong

The people of Britain are responsible for the influx of mass immigration.
Again if British people had instead worked and taken on many jobs that they viewed beneath them, then many of the Eastern European migrants, would have had no cause to stay. Due to their being a need for foreign workers, which is backed by countless evidence and the fact many stayed due to having work, shows that even we had a benefit system to payed to not work, does not excuse British people who can work, from not working.

So you want to blame people, then blame the nation as a whole

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:19 am

I don't think the people of Britain are responsible for the influx of refugees into Sweden.

by Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:32 am

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't think the people of Britain are responsible for the influx of refugees into Sweden.

But the Swedish people are certainly responsible.
Sweden changed after the First world War from being a nation of emigration to being a nation of immigration

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:37 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I don't think the people of Britain are responsible for the influx of refugees into Sweden.

But the Swedish people are certainly responsible.
Sweden changed after the First world War from being a nation of emigration to being a nation of immigration

I think we need to distinguish between economic migrants and the current large influx of refugees.

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