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Re: USA Snow
by Guest Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:27 am
Well hardly, they have told everyone to stock up on essentials, stay indoors, shut all the shops and cafes and closed the subways, so how the hell do you think they are 'getting the country working, carrying on as normal'. They are using their sense and dealing with the situation appropriately.
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Re: USA Snow
by Guest Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:34 pm
sassy wrote:Well hardly, they have told everyone to stock up on essentials, stay indoors, shut all the shops and cafes and closed the subways, so how the hell do you think they are 'getting the country working, carrying on as normal'. They are using their sense and dealing with the situation appropriately.
I have reported your signature for incitement to hatred and racism, as its based on a lie
A lie intended to incite hate against Israel
That is also very racist, where such a claim stems from the likes of Hamas and other Arabs who hate the Jews.
I have no problem to genuine criticism of Israel or even if you do not like Israel, but I will not tolerate incitement to hate based off a falsehood
It is a popular conspiracy in the Arab World that the blue stripes on the Israeli flag actually represent the rivers Nile and Euphrates as the boundaries of Eretz Yisra'el, the land promised to the Jews by God according to the Bible.[24] Those making this allegation insist that the flag "secretly" represents the desire of Jews to conquer all of the land between the Nile and Euphrates rivers, which would involve conquering and ruling over much of Egypt, all of Jordan, most of Syria, and part of Iraq. Yasser Arafat, Iran and Hamas also made the allegation,[25] and repeatedly tied this notion to the stripes on the Israeli flag.[26][27]
Both Zionist and anti-Zionist authors have debunked the claim that the stripes on the flag represent territorial ambitions. Daniel Pipes notes "In fact, the blue lines derive from the design on the traditional Jewish prayer shawl",[28] and Danny Rubinstein points out that "Arafat ... added, in interviews that he gave in the past, that the two blue stripes on the Israeli flag represent the Nile and the Euphrates .... No Israeli, even those who demonstrate understanding for Palestinian distress, will accept the ... nonsense about the blue stripes on the flag, which was designed according to the colours of the traditional tallit (prayer shawl)".[27] Persistent critic of Israel and Zionism Israel Shahak is equally explicit. In his The Zionist Plan for the Middle East he states:
...the persistent, and completely false declarations, which were made by some of the most important Arab leaders, that the two blue stripes of the Israeli flag symbolize the Nile and the Euphrates, while in fact they are taken from the stripes of the Jewish praying shawl (Talit).
Saqr Abu Fakhr, an Arab writer, has also spoken out against this idea. He writes that the "Nile to Euphrates" claim regarding the flag is one of seven popular misconceptions and/or myths about Jews which, despite being unfounded and having abundant evidence refuting them, continue to circulate in the Arab world.[29]
Nevertheless, the Hamas Covenant states "After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates," and as recently as January 29, 2006, Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar issued a demand for Israel to change its flag, citing the "Nile to Euphrates" argument.[30]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Israel
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Re: USA Snow
by Guest Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:49 pm
Ah I see the falsified picture has been removed.
Excellent as this forum has no place for racism and hate speech
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We often hear reference to a Greater Israel as the goal of the Israeli people and government. The claim is that Israel plans on extending her boundaries to include the West Bank and in some claims also the Gaza Strip. In order to further understand the controversy of a Greater Israel there exist a couple of maps that make it much easier to visualize.
The above is a representation of the original British Mandate of Palestine. According to the intent of the Balfour Declaration and associated edicts from the League of Nations the shaded area was reserved for the Jewish State, Israel. After WWI the British wished to reward the Hashemite Arabs for their allegiance in fighting in the Middle East front of the war. This lead to the British dividing the British Mandate into Transjordan, today’s country of Jordan, and Palestine which was then supposed to become the Jewish State. Below is a map of this division.
After much pressure from many fronts, Britain by far being one in the forefront, the United Nations further divided Palestine into an Arab State and a Jewish State. The Arab nations rejected this resolution declaring war on the newly established Jewish State of Israel with the intent on its complete and total destruction and the objective of driving the Jews into the sea as their rallying call.
Above is a map of the original partition plan for the remainder of the British Mandate after the formation of Transjordan known as Palestine. The small white area was Jerusalem and Bethlehem that was to become an international zone. This divided the disputed territories 56 percent for the State of Israel and 43 percent for the State of Palestine. After the Arab Israeli War of 1948, also known as Israel’s War of Independence, the division looked like the map below.
After studying these different maps it becomes fairly obvious that the original intent of the Jewish State to include the areas known today as Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jordan was probably not a feasible idea. But it also points out that originally Jordan was intended to be the Arab State and Israel was intended to fill the area from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. The United Nations further partition to add the State of Palestine in addition to Jordan as an Arab State was probably no more viable then than it is today.
After the 1948 Arab Israeli War Jordan retained control over the West Bank and Egypt retained the Gaza Strip. During the years from 1948 up to the time of the 1967 Arab Israeli War there was no call for a Palestinian State. Only after Israel had gained these lands after a war that was launched upon them was the call for a Palestinian State revived. When peace accords were reached with Egypt and Jordan respectively, they each declined accepting the Gaza Strip or West Bank leaving them instead as a constant problem for Israel. Further, all of the Arab States have refused to take any responsibility for these territories insisting that they are an Israeli problem.
There is one last map that shows the difference between what the Israelis who support a Greater Israel, these are a minority in Israel, and what the Arabs claim is the Zionist Plot for a Greater Israel.
Three divergent geopolitical and diplomatic conceptions of Greater Israel:
Red area as claimed by Israeli conservatives
Orange area as claimed by some Revisionist Zionist factions
Yellow area as alleged by anti-Zionist and antisemitic groups, basically from the Nile to the Euphrates
The one obvious conclusion I gathered from this map is that those in the Arab World use the idea of a Greater Israel as a bogeyman, a scare tactic to inflame hatred of the Jews and Israel. If Israel were held to the same logic as was used with the partition of Crete or the division between India and Pakistan, then the Arab population west of the Jordan River would have been relocated to Jordan and any Jews living in the Arab States that wished to rid themselves of their Jewish populations be moved to Israel and in time everyone would be incorporated into their new societies. This is what happened to the Jewish refugees from the Arab countries but is exactly the opposite of what has occurred with the Arab refugees. Would the situation be any worse had the Arab Jewish refugee problems been concluded with the same methodology as Crete, India Pakistan, and some of the other refugee situations of the Twentieth Century? Somehow I doubt any resolution could be any worse than the situation we face today.
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Excellent as this forum has no place for racism and hate speech
The Myth of a Greater Israel
Filed under: Uncategorized — qwertster @ 1:35 AMTags: Political Opinion
We often hear reference to a Greater Israel as the goal of the Israeli people and government. The claim is that Israel plans on extending her boundaries to include the West Bank and in some claims also the Gaza Strip. In order to further understand the controversy of a Greater Israel there exist a couple of maps that make it much easier to visualize.
The above is a representation of the original British Mandate of Palestine. According to the intent of the Balfour Declaration and associated edicts from the League of Nations the shaded area was reserved for the Jewish State, Israel. After WWI the British wished to reward the Hashemite Arabs for their allegiance in fighting in the Middle East front of the war. This lead to the British dividing the British Mandate into Transjordan, today’s country of Jordan, and Palestine which was then supposed to become the Jewish State. Below is a map of this division.
After much pressure from many fronts, Britain by far being one in the forefront, the United Nations further divided Palestine into an Arab State and a Jewish State. The Arab nations rejected this resolution declaring war on the newly established Jewish State of Israel with the intent on its complete and total destruction and the objective of driving the Jews into the sea as their rallying call.
Above is a map of the original partition plan for the remainder of the British Mandate after the formation of Transjordan known as Palestine. The small white area was Jerusalem and Bethlehem that was to become an international zone. This divided the disputed territories 56 percent for the State of Israel and 43 percent for the State of Palestine. After the Arab Israeli War of 1948, also known as Israel’s War of Independence, the division looked like the map below.
After studying these different maps it becomes fairly obvious that the original intent of the Jewish State to include the areas known today as Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jordan was probably not a feasible idea. But it also points out that originally Jordan was intended to be the Arab State and Israel was intended to fill the area from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. The United Nations further partition to add the State of Palestine in addition to Jordan as an Arab State was probably no more viable then than it is today.
After the 1948 Arab Israeli War Jordan retained control over the West Bank and Egypt retained the Gaza Strip. During the years from 1948 up to the time of the 1967 Arab Israeli War there was no call for a Palestinian State. Only after Israel had gained these lands after a war that was launched upon them was the call for a Palestinian State revived. When peace accords were reached with Egypt and Jordan respectively, they each declined accepting the Gaza Strip or West Bank leaving them instead as a constant problem for Israel. Further, all of the Arab States have refused to take any responsibility for these territories insisting that they are an Israeli problem.
There is one last map that shows the difference between what the Israelis who support a Greater Israel, these are a minority in Israel, and what the Arabs claim is the Zionist Plot for a Greater Israel.
Three divergent geopolitical and diplomatic conceptions of Greater Israel:
Red area as claimed by Israeli conservatives
Orange area as claimed by some Revisionist Zionist factions
Yellow area as alleged by anti-Zionist and antisemitic groups, basically from the Nile to the Euphrates
The one obvious conclusion I gathered from this map is that those in the Arab World use the idea of a Greater Israel as a bogeyman, a scare tactic to inflame hatred of the Jews and Israel. If Israel were held to the same logic as was used with the partition of Crete or the division between India and Pakistan, then the Arab population west of the Jordan River would have been relocated to Jordan and any Jews living in the Arab States that wished to rid themselves of their Jewish populations be moved to Israel and in time everyone would be incorporated into their new societies. This is what happened to the Jewish refugees from the Arab countries but is exactly the opposite of what has occurred with the Arab refugees. Would the situation be any worse had the Arab Jewish refugee problems been concluded with the same methodology as Crete, India Pakistan, and some of the other refugee situations of the Twentieth Century? Somehow I doubt any resolution could be any worse than the situation we face today.
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https://beyondthecusp.wordpress.com/2007/01/23/the-myth-of-a-greater-israel/
Of course the racist claim is further false when you look at how actually Israel has given up land it won in wars started by aggressors against them
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Re: USA Snow
by Irn Bru Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:52 am
Almost to the day I was in NYC a few years ago and I thought it was cold in Scotland but I've never felt much colder than I did that day. I'd never taken the chance before to go up to the top of the Empire State Building before but I did that day.
When I walked out on to the viewing deck after parting with $40 for the pleasure the cold chill took my breath away but the view was amazing.
They're getting it very bad right now in what seems like really extreme weather.
Stay safe.
When I walked out on to the viewing deck after parting with $40 for the pleasure the cold chill took my breath away but the view was amazing.
They're getting it very bad right now in what seems like really extreme weather.
Stay safe.
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Re: USA Snow
by nicko Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:21 am
Whats all this about "boycott Israel" sassy, you must really hate them, you'v gone too far this time!
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Re: USA Snow
by Raggamuffin Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:32 am
We can't even have a thread about the weather without it being hijacked!
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Re: USA Snow
by Raggamuffin Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:15 am
Stormee wrote:Hijacking threadz is done on purpose most timez Miss Ragga and most days on news fix and by the same people.
I ignore lots of posts/threadz because of this trolling.
We must get it back on track - it's our duty as Brits to discuss the weather.
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Re: USA Snow
by Raggamuffin Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:20 am
Stormee wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
We must get it back on track - it's our duty as Brits to discuss the weather.
Well, Miss Ragga, it is luvlee, sunny here right now.
Bluetitz outside are going like the clappuz at my nutz, they cost me a fortune, greedy littul bleeduz.
Same here Mr Stormee.
It's a great relief as it's been awful for the last few days. I haven't put food out for the birds for a while. I like to do that, but I fear for them because of cats.
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Re: USA Snow
by veya_victaous Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:41 pm
Raggamuffin wrote:Stormee wrote:Hijacking threadz is done on purpose most timez Miss Ragga and most days on news fix and by the same people.
I ignore lots of posts/threadz because of this trolling.
We must get it back on track - it's our duty as Brits to discuss the weather.
LOL
you make me giggle sometimes raggs
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