Danish government secures backing for bill on taking migrants' valuables

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Denmark's government secures parliamentary majority for plan to seize migrants' valuables to help cover their accommodation costs, prompting parallels to Nazi Germany

Denmark's government said on Tuesday it had secured a parliamentary majority for a controversial plan to seize migrants' valuables to pay for their stay in asylum centres."The government, the Social Democrats, the Danish People's Party, the Liberal Alliance and the Conservative People's Party have agreed to amend the bill concerning valuables," a government statement said, indicating that wedding rings and other items of sentimental value would be exempt from the move.In addition to wedding rings, it listed engagement rings, family portraits and badges of honour as items that could not be confiscated from asylum seekers.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/12096104/Danish-government-secures-backing-for-bill-on-taking-migrants-valuables.html

Again this country has signed up to help refugees which means they have to help and again you still fail to grasp what little they will have to live on
What this goverment is attempting to do is disgusting on any level, as they would not do this to homeless people already there.

Asylum seekers in Denmark are housed in Asylum centres and they are not permitted to take up private residence which makes it tough for them to get a job and make a contribution to the Danish economy.

I've been to Denmark many times and I just can't believe that the average Danish person would support this policy.

It' robbery and even our Tory government wouldn't resort to that.

Didge wrote:Again this country has signed up to help refugees which means they have to help and again you still fail to grasp what little they will have to live on
What this goverment is attempting to do is disgusting on any level, as they would not do this to homeless people already there.

They are helping them. What you don't understand is that they're not going to make them hand over all their money and then kick them into the street. If they have over a certain amount they will contribute to their own keep until they reach the limit - ie, around £1,000. It's only like people here on means-tested benefits having to pay for themselves if they have over a certain amount. You wouldn't expect someone with loads of money to get housing benefit would you?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:Again this country has signed up to help refugees which means they have to help and again you still fail to grasp what little they will have to live on
What this goverment is attempting to do is disgusting on any level, as they would not do this to homeless people already there.

They are helping them. What you don't understand is that they're not going to make them hand over all their money and then kick them into the street. If they have over a certain amount they will contribute to their own keep until they reach the limit - ie, around £1,000. It's only like people here on means-tested benefits having to pay for themselves if they have over a certain amount. You wouldn't expect someone with loads of money to get housing benefit would you?

What do I want them to do?
Stop making life even more intolerable for them which it will be as refugees waiting for their applications
What they are  doing is wrong and as seen when I said this about homeless, you when very quite, why because you knew to do that to the homeless is wrong. Well gues what they are homeless too rags, so any methodology that backs taking their posessions would do the same for any homeless person

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

They are helping them. What you don't understand is that they're not going to make them hand over all their money and then kick them into the street. If they have over a certain amount they will contribute to their own keep until they reach the limit - ie, around £1,000. It's only like people here on means-tested benefits having to pay for themselves if they have over a certain amount. You wouldn't expect someone with loads of money to get housing benefit would you?

What do I want them to do?
Stop making life even more intolerable for them which it will be as refugees waiting for their applications
What they are  doing is wrong and as seen when I said this about homeless, you when very quite, why because you knew to do that to the homeless is wrong. Well gues what they are homeless too rags, so any methodology that backs taking their posessions would do the same for any homeless person

Well hostels and shelters in the UK charge if the person has any dosh.

Most hostels charge rent to stay. Housing benefit can cover most of the cost of the rent, but you are expected to pay for other costs yourself including meals, using the laundry and heating. These other costs may be up to £35 per week. You can be evicted if you fall behind with payments.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/homelessness/emergency_accommodation_if_homeless/living_in_a_hostel

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


What do I want them to do?
Stop making life even more intolerable for them which it will be as refugees waiting for their applications
What they are  doing is wrong and as seen when I said this about homeless, you when very quite, why because you knew to do that to the homeless is wrong. Well gues what they are homeless too rags, so any methodology that backs taking their posessions would do the same for any homeless person

Well hostels and shelters in the UK charge if the person has any dosh.

Most hostels charge rent to stay. Housing benefit can cover most of the cost of the rent, but you are expected to pay for other costs yourself including meals, using the laundry and heating. These other costs may be up to £35 per week. You can be evicted if you fall behind with payments.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/homelessness/emergency_accommodation_if_homeless/living_in_a_hostel

What about food rags?
Again you do realise homeless will get money for staying in these shelters?
Did you not know that, or do you think they should give up their possessions to stay there?
Do the shelters demand they give up their posssessions?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well hostels and shelters in the UK charge if the person has any dosh.



http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/homelessness/emergency_accommodation_if_homeless/living_in_a_hostel

What about food rags?
Again you do realise homeless will get money for staying in these shelters?
Did you not know that, or do you think they should give up their possessions to stay there?
Do the shelters demand they give up their posssessions?

The refugees will get food. You seem to think that they're being forced to hand over all their money and then left to starve in the street. Yet again, if they have over a certain amount they will contribute to their own food and shelter.

You're getting histrionic about these possessions. They're not going to make them hand over their possessions unless they are of very high value and they don't need them. I doubt many of them will bring the family silver with them anyway.

I think you are backing an appalling plan that robs people of their possessions and to where a country goes to great lenghs to help the homeless, which clearly shows this is a plan to stop refugess, where clearly money is not a problem helping the homeless




The Danish have accepted three main approaches for attacking the problem of homelessness. The ideas include a “staircase transition”, a normalizing model, and a tiered model (Hansen, “The Homeless Strategy” 118). These three concepts were developed for the years 2009-2012 in order to achieve four main goals (Hansen, “The Homeless Strategy” 115). These goals are the following:  1) no citizen should be forced to live on the street 2) young people should never live in hostels for the homeless 3) periods of housing in “care homes” or shelters should last no longer than three to four months, and 4) if one is released from prison or discharged from courses of treatment, an accommodation must be in place (Hansen, “The Homeless Strategy” 115). These organized objectives result in centralized strategies that have a clear aim, making the vision obvious and the methods understandable. The “staircase transition” (Hansen 118) or “staircase communities” were created in order to transition victims of homelessness into permanent housing with support (Benjaminsen and Dyb 54). The staircase community is a method that is specific to the needs of certain individuals who prefer a slower progression into independent living. The name of the model explains itself, it is a system that goes “step by step”, in order to gradually help a person stray away from the life style of homelessness. 

http://www.english.umd.edu/interpolations/3466

Once again, how are the Danes supposed to pay to look after all these people who suddenly descended on their country? You really do think that money floats down from the trees don't you?

Raggamuffin wrote:Once again, how are the Danes supposed to pay to look after all these people who suddenly descended on their country? You really do think that money floats down from the trees don't you?

Like every other country does and how they have done so ffor years being that they have signed up to help refugees

that means they have an obligation

The problem is you fail to see this is a set up, to deter refugees, as money is not the issue as seen with the homeless

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Once again, how are the Danes supposed to pay to look after all these people who suddenly descended on their country? You really do think that money floats down from the trees don't you?

Like every other country does and how they have done so ffor years being that they have signed up to help refugees

that means they have an obligation

The problem is you fail to see this is a set up, to deter refugees, as money is not the issue as seen with the homeless

So how do they afford it?

They apply the same rules to Danes as well. It's means testing, which goes on in a lot of countries, including the UK.

“There is no reason to criticise, since it is already the case that if you as a Dane have valuables of more than 10,000 kroner (£986) it may be required that this is sold before you can receive unemployment benefits.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-crisis-denmark-government-defends-plan-to-strip-refugees-valuables-to-pay-for-their-stay-a6782916.html

Ass they have always afoorded it rags, they pay to help what they signed up to do

How many times do I need to answer this, as again clearly money is not a problem with helping the homeless as seen as I just presented, so why would it be so for refugees, unless you have some ridiculous racist view not to help humans not from that country?

Didge wrote:Ass they have always afoorded it rags, they pay to help what they signed up to do

How many times do I need to answer this, as again clearly money is not a problem with helping the homeless as seen as I just presented, so why would it be so for refugees, unless you have some ridiculous racist view not to help humans not from that country?

How have they always afforded it? You do know that rather a lot of refugees have turned up in Europe all at once don't you?

You seem to have some absurd idea that people who have money should not have to contribute to their own costs. Why don't you just give away all your money to them if you're that bothered?

Well they have afforded to look out for the homeless Rags, and denmark happens to be one of the palces in Europe people are better paid and have a better style of living, so what does that tell you rags?

Didge wrote:Well they have afforded to look out for the homeless Rags, and denmark happens to be one of the palces in Europe people are better paid and have a better style of living, so what does that tell you rags?

It tells me that they would have a worse style of living if they have to pay for thousands and thousands of people who have over a certain amount of money and don't pay a penny to contribute.

They are of course free to go elsewhere if they don't like the idea of actually contributing to their own living costs.

Really so for years they have had refuigees and now you think they would have a worse lifestyle even though there economy is fine
Do you even know the numbers of refugees we are talking about here or are you just guessing?

Denmark is set to force refugees to hand over their valuables in order to pay for their accommodation while applying for asylum, in a move the UN has warned may fuel fear and xenophobia. The Danish government has secured a parliamentary majority in favour of legislation that will severely curb the rights of refugees, and is expected to begin debate on the legislation in parliament on Wednesday.
The bill states that asylum seekers who arrive with more than 10,000 kroner in cash “will have to [use] the surplus above 10,000 kroner to pay for their stay”, Danish government spokesman Marcus Knuth told the Guardian.


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After criticism of an earlier draft of the law, refugees will no longer have to give up items of sentimental value, such as wedding rings, or items deemed as essential, such as watches. Gold bullion could still be seized, but Knuth said that in the case of any dispute of sentimental value, the asylum seeker would have the final say.
Responding to comparisons between the new law and the treatment of Jews during the Holocaust, Knuth said the claim was “ludicrous” because similar laws apply to Danish citizens on welfare benefits. “We’re simply applying the same rules we apply to Danish citizens who wish to take money from the Danish government,” he said.
The move is the latest attempt by Denmark’s centre-right government to roll back its obligations to refugees. Last month, the prime minister, Lars Lokke Rasmussen, called for an end to the UN 1951 refugee convention, a law created in the aftermath of the Holocaust – a suggestion the UN said would “renounce millennia” of human progress.
Local refugee advocates also warn that there are worse aspects to the new law than the articles concerning refugees’ belongings. If passed on Wednesday, the law will prevent most Syrian refugees from being granted more than one year’s sanctuary, unless they can prove that they are individually under threat in Syria. Parents who arrive without their children will have to wait at least three years before they can apply to be reunited with their family, a clause campaigners have described as particularly cruel.

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Michala Clante Bendixen, chair of Refugees Welcome in Denmark, said: “It means that most of these families will be separated for up to five years. First they’ll have to wait for the asylum application to go through, then there will be 3 years of waiting, then they’ll have to apply for reunification. Separating families for five years is completely crazy.”
While Denmark only accepted about 20,000 asylum seekers in 2015 – 2% of the total to arrive in Europe last year – its government is keen to deter more from coming, Bendixen said. “They have two goals: one is to scare people away, and the other is to make life as hard as possible for those who are already here, to make them leave.”
Denmark also recently introduced more stringent border controls, forcing more potential asylum seekers back to Germany, which took in about 1.1 million last year. Germany has also begun to turn back more migrants from its own southern borders, with deportees to Austria rising to 200 a day in January, up from 60 in December, the Austrian government said this week.
A vote on the bill is expected later in January.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/denmark-to-force-refugees-to-give-up-valuables-under-proposed-asylum-law

Didge wrote:Really so for years they have had refuigees and now you think they would have a worse lifestyle even though there economy is fine
Do you even know the numbers of refugees we are talking about here or are you just guessing?

Do you know? Look it up for yourself. Are you suggesting that the current wave of refugees is the norm? If that's the case, why has it been in the news so much?

Are you not a fan of means testing then?

I just provided you with the answer

Do I back means testing for homeless people?
Of course I do not

The bill states that asylum seekers who arrive with more than 10,000 kroner in cash “will have to [use] the surplus above 10,000 kroner to pay for their stay”, Danish government spokesman Marcus Knuth told the Guardian.

This is just means testing, as I said. In the UK you can't get benefits if you have over a certain amount of money. I really don't see what the fuss is about. They will get to keep around £1,000, and they won't have to pay any living expenses out of that because they're paying for food and shelter with the surplus.

Raggamuffin wrote:

The bill states that asylum seekers who arrive with more than 10,000 kroner in cash “will have to [use] the surplus above 10,000 kroner to pay for their stay”, Danish government spokesman Marcus Knuth told the Guardian.

This is just means testing, as I said. In the UK you can't get benefits if you have over a certain amount of money. I really don't see what the fuss is about. They will get to keep around £1,000, and they won't have to pay any living expenses out of that because they're paying for food and shelter with the surplus.

Which they have amended again and like I say i think its duisgusting to have means testing for homeless people

Didge wrote:Do I back means testing for homeless people?
Of course I do not

So anyone could just walk into a hostel and say they're homeless, pull thousands of pounds out of their pocket and say they're off to the pub, and you would think that was fine.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

This is just means testing, as I said. In the UK you can't get benefits if you have over a certain amount of money. I really don't see what the fuss is about. They will get to keep around £1,000, and they won't have to pay any living expenses out of that because they're paying for food and shelter with the surplus.

Which they have amended again and like I say i think its duisgusting to have means testing for homeless people

Why? Someone could be homeless for a variety of reason but still have loads of dosh.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Which they have amended again and like I say i think its duisgusting to have means testing for homeless people

Why? Someone could be homeless for a variety of reason but still have loads of dosh.

wow, seriously just wow

Again its disgusting, as how many homeless people have a load of dosh Rags?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Why? Someone could be homeless for a variety of reason but still have loads of dosh.

wow, seriously just wow

Again its disgusting, as how many homeless people have a load of dosh Rags?

I haven't done a survey, but they may well have. They may well get it from people in the street who donate it. They may well have money in the bank, but have nowhere to live at the present time. If they don't, then they won't have to pay - it's quite simple.

So you don't approve of means testing then. You think that anyone should be able to get public money regardless of how much money they have?

Bloody Christ of a Bike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   They are not just being put up at a hostel, THEY ARE TRYING TO BUILD A NEW LIFE AFTER BEING TOTALLY TRAUMATISED and they need every bit they might have saved to do that.  When they are talking about taking THINGS not just money, and they have to say that THEY WON'T BE TAKING FUCKING WEDDING RINGS AND THINGS OF SENTIMENTAL VALUE, that's theft!    Get a bloody life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Which is what they are trying to do.

Fucking hell, sometimes I'd like the wrap something round peoples necks!

In one week, over 10,000 refugees entered Denmark. That's the same number as the US are taking from Syria in one year. Of course Denmark are going to struggle with this, and Sweden is trying to send refugees back to Denmark because they're overwhelmed as well. I think that expecting people who have surplus money to pay a little towards expenses is reasonable.

Well if the asylum seekers are well off and have enough money to support themselves then let them live in the community and live off it and make a contribution instead of robbing them of what they have.

Seems like the right way forward doesn't it?

Irn Bru wrote:Well if the asylum seekers are well off and have enough money to support themselves then let them live in the community and live off it and make a contribution instead of robbing them of what they have.

Seems like the right way forward doesn't it?

They're not robbing them of all their money though are they? Are you also not a fan of means testing? This country would be bankrupt if you and the other lefties were running it - you'd just give money away to anyone regardless of how much they already had.

Means testing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Items such as watches, mobile phones and computers may still be seized, it said.




Copenhagen's right-wing government, which relies on support in parliament from an anti-immigration party, last week began backtracking on its proposal by raising the amount of cash a refugee can keep from 3,000 kroner to 10,000 kroner.

So waht will the Danish authorities do with all these phones watches and the like and what ref=gulations would be in place to account for waht they do with them?

Fair bet a few of those on the front line will be quids in on that score.

Irn Bru wrote:So waht will the Danish authorities do with all these phones watches and the like and what ref=gulations would be in place to account for waht they do with them?

Fair bet a few of those on the front line will be quids in on that score.

It's totally immoral and cannot be justified.   Theft pure and simple.

Irn Bru wrote:So waht will the Danish authorities do with all these phones watches and the like and what ref=gulations would be in place to account for waht they do with them?

Fair bet a few of those on the front line will be quids in on that score.

They won't take phones and watches.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:So waht will the Danish authorities do with all these phones watches and the like and what ref=gulations would be in place to account for waht they do with them?

Fair bet a few of those on the front line will be quids in on that score.

They won't take phones and watches.

Yes they will, it says so in the link in the OP.

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:So waht will the Danish authorities do with all these phones watches and the like and what ref=gulations would be in place to account for waht they do with them?

Fair bet a few of those on the front line will be quids in on that score.

They won't take phones and watches.

Yes they will, it says so in the link in the OP.

It ceratinly does say that. Thought they might need them to help get a job

Irn Bru wrote:

sassy wrote:

Yes they will, it says so in the link in the OP.

It ceratinly does say that. Thought they might need them to help get a job

I'm sure that Didge has said previously that he doesn't consider the Telegraph to be a reliable source. Have a look at another source which will tell you that they won't take phones or watches.

Like this one:


Now, the country is debating another and even more extreme step: The government is considering a law that would allow authorities to confiscate jewelry from refugees entering the country. The proposal is almost certain to pass Parliament.


The proposal "has been branded petty and cruel, and some opponents have asked whether the government would also be taking out asylum seekers' gold fillings," Whyte said. The idea of seizing jewelry from people who are fleeing has a particularly bitter connotation in Europe, where the Nazis confiscated large amounts of gold and other valuables from Jews and others.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/12/17/denmark-wants-to-seize-jewelry-from-refugees/


Night

what is scary is how easily Europe returns to the Nazi policies, and the fact that you even have British people (given it is raggs) defending it and saying 'it's only fair'.

the Danes should face economic sanctions if this passes.

Means testing is a Nazi policy? Someone should tell Mr Cameron.

Raggamuffin wrote:Means testing is a Nazi policy? Someone should tell Mr Cameron.

since when did means test include personal jewellery?
Ohh yeah when Hitler was 'means testing' jews
but besides that No NEVER

You are so fucking stupid you are a danger to the world as it is Idiots like you that not only vote for but SUPPORT the most evil vile pieces of shit in history.

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Means testing is a Nazi policy? Someone should tell Mr Cameron.

since when did means test include personal jewellery?
Ohh yeah when Hitler was 'means testing' jews
but besides that No NEVER

You are so fucking stupid you are a danger to the world as it is Idiots like you that not only vote for but SUPPORT the most evil vile pieces of shit in history.

Best you run and hide then if you think I'm a danger to the world - chicken.

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Means testing is a Nazi policy? Someone should tell Mr Cameron.

since when did means test include personal jewellery?
Ohh yeah when Hitler was 'means testing' jews
but besides that No NEVER

You are so fucking stupid you are a danger to the world as it is Idiots like you that not only vote for but SUPPORT the most evil vile pieces of shit in history.

Best you run and hide then if you think I'm a danger to the world - chicken.

You are!!!! Morons like you elect monsters.

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Best you run and hide then if you think I'm a danger to the world - chicken.

You are!!!! Morons like you elect monsters.

Big scary monsters?

Are you hiding in a cupboard?

Who are these monsters that 'us morons' have elected then veya!!!???

Tommy Monk wrote:Who are these monsters that 'us morons' have elected then veya!!!???

people like raggs and a lesser extent you elected Hitler!!
You live for the Narrative that you have a 'right' to dehumanise and behave inhuamnely towards foreigners or those different than yourself

Every time a Bunch of cowardly morons gets together and starts expressing the Opinons You and raggs express they elect a fucking geniocidal monster

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Who are these monsters that 'us morons' have elected then veya!!!???

people like raggs and a lesser extent you elected Hitler!!
You live for the Narrative that you have a 'right' to dehumanise and behave inhuamnely towards foreigners or those different than yourself

Every time a Bunch of cowardly morons gets together and starts expressing the Opinons You and raggs express they elect a fucking geniocidal monster

Not people like me - I'm not that old you know.

https://democraticpeace.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/what-hitler-was-not-elected/

We have a right to democracy, self rule and self determination... we also have a right to control our borders as well as a responsibility to do so for the good of our own people!!!


We have the right to set our own criteria and conditions for entry, and we have the right to allow or disallow entry to anyone from anywhere else as we see fit...


We have a responsibility to look after the people of this country first and foremost... and that includes all British citizens... regardless of ethnicity/religion/sex etc!!!

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Who are these monsters that 'us morons' have elected then veya!!!???

people like raggs and a lesser extent you elected Hitler!!
You live for the Narrative that you have a 'right' to dehumanise and behave inhuamnely towards foreigners or those different than yourself

Every time a Bunch of cowardly morons gets together and starts expressing the Opinons You and raggs express they elect a fucking geniocidal monster

Not people like me - I'm not that old you know.

People like you... that lived then
and by peoepl like you I mean those that want to Mug Refugees of their last possesions