Corbyns Merry Christmas....NOT

The drearyness of the long distance lefty

Jeremy Corbyn will not release a Christmas message this year, Labour has confirmed.

The Labour leader has been accused of "cancelling Christmas" by a Conservative MP after deciding to break with tradition and ditch the festive address.

Ed Miliband gave a Christmas Eve message in both 2013 and 2014, last year paying tribute to volunteers who gave up their time to serve local communities.

David Cameron is expected to give his usual address on Christmas Eve, while Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron put his Christmas message out on Facebook on Tuesday.

In it, he celebrated those who have given their time to help refugees and homeless people and said: "This Christmas, I want to take the opportunity to thank everyone who is working to transform the lives of those with no safe place to call home."

Andrew Bridgen, a Conservative MP, told The Daily Telegraph: "This is the new politics - Corbyn cancels Christmas.

"It is just a hint of what the British people would have to look forward to under a Corbyn-led Government."

It comes at the end of a year which has seen British troops involved in action overseas, terror attacks and a refugee crisis.




While he may have opted not to issue a Christmas message, Mr Corbyn did produce an official Christmas card – a stock image of a bicycle in the snow with the message Merry Christmas.




little grey people, living in little grey boxes, persuing little grey jobs, living little grey lives.

The lefty wet dream

I don't have a problem with that. People should decide for themselves what they want to do at Christmas without anyone nagging at them.

given the lefty stance that "we dont do it so we dont see why YOU should"

I would suggest that it ought to bother you Ragga...
remember this is the leader of a potential ruling party (joke )

with that attitude I wonder how long it would take him to "ban christmas" (all in the name of community cohesion of course)

the real point is that leaders should not introduce their personal misery into the life of the nation

Well you can view it two ways:

He's trying to change British values to appease Muslims - which is what the article alludes to, or he is simply one of those bah humbug types.... Like you, Vic

I think he's just typical of his ilk...a grey "shadow creature"

"I dont approve, so dont see why you should want to do it"

you do realise if this dick head gets into power, the ONLY hobby/interest you will be allowed is collecting man hole covers....

He won't get in power.

Oh dear, you do like believing the media.  He's already done it, plus, rather than pontificating from on high once a year to the grassroots, Jeremy speaks to us nearly every day.   I'm amazed that an intelligent man falls for this crap.

For many people Christmas is a time for relaxation, for catching up with friends and family.

But many won’t be getting a break.

Hospital staff for whom Christmas is as busy as any time of the year.

The firefighters on call, including those who recently helped save people and homes in communities like ­Cockermouth and Carlisle.

The police and our armed forces too.

And the many workers in low-paid industries who simply cannot afford to take leave over Christmas.

Christmas is also a time for reflection, and it is worth considering the ­poignancy of the Nativity story.

It is about offering shelter to a family in need and to those who find themselves ­ refugees fleeing evil.

Homelessness in Britain is rising, more children are in poverty and tens of thousands will spend this Christmas in temporary accommodation – a home that is not their own.

Globally there are more refugees today fleeing horror than at any time since the Second World War.

These are lives that are being held back, young people who are not getting the opportunities they should.

We should always be asking ourselves – all of us, not just politicians – whether we could do more for others.

In this way, the Christmas story holds up a mirror to us all. “Do unto others as you would have done to you” – that is the essence of my socialism, summed up in the word ­“solidarity”.

The concept of solidarity is about our unity – we succeed or fail together. Yet too often there are attempts to divide us, to scapegoat, rather than help, those in need.

Jesus said: “It is more blessed to give than to receive”.

It is a similar maxim that inspired our party: “From each according to their means, to each according to their needs.”

May you enjoy a merry Christmas as we all reflect on how we create a better world in 2016.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyns-mirror-christmas-message-7042672

Lord Foul wrote:given the lefty stance that "we dont do it so we dont see why YOU should"

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Bless those wonderful conservatives for letting people do what they want ...

See? All cleared up Victor!

Sometimes it stuns me the way people believe stuff they read in the papers without looking at the truth.

sassy wrote:Oh dear, you do like believing the media.  He's already done it, plus, rather than pontificating from on high once a year to the grassroots, Jeremy speaks to us nearly every day.   I'm amazed that an intelligent man falls for this crap.

For many people Christmas is a time for relaxation, for catching up with friends and family.

But many won’t be getting a break.

Hospital staff for whom Christmas is as busy as any time of the year.

The firefighters on call, including those who recently helped save people and homes in communities like ­Cockermouth and Carlisle.

The police and our armed forces too.

And the many workers in low-paid industries who simply cannot afford to take leave over Christmas.

Christmas is also a time for reflection, and it is worth considering the ­poignancy of the Nativity story.

It is about offering shelter to a family in need and to those who find themselves ­ refugees fleeing evil.

Homelessness in Britain is rising, more children are in poverty and tens of thousands will spend this Christmas in temporary accommodation – a home that is not their own.

Globally there are more refugees today fleeing horror than at any time since the Second World War.

These are lives that are being held back, young people who are not getting the opportunities they should.

We should always be asking ourselves – all of us, not just politicians – whether we could do more for others.

In this way, the Christmas story holds up a mirror to us all. “Do unto others as you would have done to you” – that is the essence of my socialism, summed up in the word ­“solidarity”.

The concept of solidarity is about our unity – we succeed or fail together. Yet too often there are attempts to divide us, to scapegoat, rather than help, those in need.

Jesus said: “It is more blessed to give than to receive”.

It is a similar maxim that inspired our party: “From each according to their means, to each according to their needs.”

May you enjoy a merry Christmas as we all reflect on how we create a better world in 2016.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyns-mirror-christmas-message-7042672

is that the voices in your head ???

and




I dont want to hear how it SHOULD be

I want to know how he proposes to make it so....

not some airy fairy ideas...but solid proposals...

see I dont trust the man not to go too far either....since hes not just "left" but a left wing nut job

and a miserable git too...does the man EVER smile...I mean a genuine smile rather than the smile of the tiger about to eat "mr average"

Ben, I keep reading you and others "dissing" the Conservatives, are they the same as our Conservatives? Or are you talking about OUR Conservatives?

Vic. First you cimplain that he didn't have a Christmas message, then when it is showm that he actually did, you switch to complaining about the content of the message rather that admit you were wrong

Nicko- he said Tea Party, GOP and wrote conservatives with a small c. He's talking about the Republicans.

Eilzel wrote:Vic. First you cimplain that he didn't have a Christmas message, then when it is showm that he actually did, you switch to complaining about the content of the message rather that admit you were wrong

That is a message to the Mirror readers.

How are you equating that as a message to the whole nation which he has refused to do on Christmas Eve? Unless you think we should all indulge instarted to read that regressive Rag?

I mean when you think about that. In the context of the fact he is not going to give a speech wishing the nation a Merry Christmas on Christmas Eve. After wishing now we see 2.5 million people, the readership of the Daily Mirror, thus only really his own supporters and then not even all of his supporters. Is deeming only them and not the rest of the nation nearly 60 million people worthy of a good will message.

I think that is disgusting to be honest Eilzel.

He has said he will deliver a national message for New Year. Honestly I don't think this is the scandal of the century, or even a scandal at all. There are far bigger things to be concerned with- like fracking our countryside, selling arms to Middle Eastern war zones, destroying our NHS, jeapordising our relationship with Europe and so on, that are real concerns. Not the leader of the opposition delaying a message to the nation by a week.

Eilzel wrote:He has said he will deliver a national message for New Year. Honestly I don't think this is the scandal of the century, or even a scandal at all. There are far bigger things to be concerned with- like fracking our countryside, selling arms to Middle Eastern war zones, destroying our NHS, jeapordising our relationship with Europe and so on, that are real concerns. Not the leader of the opposition delaying a message to the nation by a week.

That is after Christmas day and where he has already wished a happy Christmas to some people mainly supporters, that is appalling by thus rendering them of not any worth Eilzel
This is a man looking to lead our nation where nobody is equating this to other aspects but Christmas itself where as a leader of the opposition that represents the the Labour party, he has a duty for the people of this nation do you not think?

Richard The Lionheart wrote:

Eilzel wrote:He has said he will deliver a national message for New Year. Honestly I don't think this is the scandal of the century, or even a scandal at all. There are far bigger things to be concerned with- like fracking our countryside, selling arms to Middle Eastern war zones, destroying our NHS, jeapordising our relationship with Europe and so on, that are real concerns. Not the leader of the opposition delaying a message to the nation by a week.

That is after Christmas day and where he has already wished a happy Christmas to some people mainly supporters, that is appalling by thus rendering them of not any worth Eilzel
This is a man looking to lead our nation where nobody is equating this to other aspects but Christmas itself where as a leader of the opposition that represents the the Labour party, he has a duty for the people of this nation do you not think?

Why is it the duty of the opposition to wish a happy Christmas to anyone? I admit it's a nice gesture but not an obligation. He isn't rendering anyone worthless by talking to the Mirror, any more so than any politician who speaks to one particular media or another. And again, there will be new year message, which to be honest is a more appropriate time anyway since it looks out toward a new year and new opportunities etc.

Eilzel wrote:

Richard The Lionheart wrote:


That is after Christmas day and where he has already wished a happy Christmas to some people mainly supporters, that is appalling by thus rendering them of not any worth Eilzel
This is a man looking to lead our nation where nobody is equating this to other aspects but Christmas itself where as a leader of the opposition that represents the the Labour party, he has a duty for the people of this nation do you not think?

Why is it the duty of the opposition to wish a happy Christmas to anyone? I admit it's a nice gesture but not an obligation. He isn't rendering anyone worthless by talking to the Mirror, any more so than any politician who speaks to one particular media or another. And again, there will be new year message, which to be honest is a more appropriate time anyway since it looks out toward a new year and new opportunities etc.

You fail to grasp the point, being that he has already singled out some people to wish a Merry Christmas and publically through the means of the media to some readers. So yes he is very much insulting the rest of the nation by taking the time to write a message for them and not have the time for the rest of the nation.
As to wishing people a Merry Christmas, it is very much part of our culture Christmas celebration and is a time for leader to speak of a message for all.

That's your view, I don't see it that way. I doubt most people will notice or care really, unless their newspaper or channel tells them to.

Eilzel wrote:That's your view, I don't see it that way. I doubt most people will notice or care really, unless their newspaper or channel tells them to.

That last point was a tad poor as if people cannot make up their own minds and claim they are being maipulated.
As you have as many left wing if not more media outlets defending his poor stance.
It works both ways how either side of the media jump on thiungs, which very much are in the public interest
Its up to him, what he does, but he does nothing for his PR or imagie by the clear and blatant hypocrisy shown.

So he isn't an attention seeking publicity whore. Good. About time we had a politician who wasn't just paying lip setvice to the media and superficial public exploitations. He isn't a populist, he is a man of conviction. Let the Cameron's of the world try to please everyone all the time while they fuck up the country.

I haven't yet made up my mind about Corbyn or his Labour party, but one thing I won't be judging him on is his decision not to give a Christmas message.

*public expectations

Eilzel wrote:So he isn't an attention seeking publicity whore. Good. About time we had a politician who wasn't just paying lip setvice to the media and superficial public exploitations. He isn't a populist, he is a man of conviction. Let the Cameron's of the world try to please everyone all the time while they fuck up the country.

I haven't yet made up my mind about Corbyn or his Labour party, but one thing I won't be judging him on is his decision not to give a Christmas message.

The man associates with extremists and terrroists, of those of stop the war coalition who have people that wish to see the destruction of Israel which is a contrdaiction to join such an organisation.
Someone like him in power would be a security nightmare

Does the nation really need yet another Christmas message anyway? Will anyone be thinking about refugees and the problems of the world anyway? No, they'll be stressing over their turkeys and whether or not they got enough presents.

I'm not a Corbyn fan, and I don't know why he's not doing a speech, but I don't think he has a duty to do one. I don't expect politicians to do Christmas speeches anyway, and it doesn't bother me.

Wishing people happy Christmas won't necessarily make it so.

sassy wrote:Oh dear, you do like believing the media.  He's already done it, plus, rather than pontificating from on high once a year to the grassroots, Jeremy speaks to us nearly every day.   I'm amazed that an intelligent man falls for this crap.

For many people Christmas is a time for relaxation, for catching up with friends and family.

But many won’t be getting a break.

Hospital staff for whom Christmas is as busy as any time of the year.

The firefighters on call, including those who recently helped save people and homes in communities like ­Cockermouth and Carlisle.

The police and our armed forces too.

And the many workers in low-paid industries who simply cannot afford to take leave over Christmas.

Christmas is also a time for reflection, and it is worth considering the ­poignancy of the Nativity story.

It is about offering shelter to a family in need and to those who find themselves ­ refugees fleeing evil.

Homelessness in Britain is rising, more children are in poverty and tens of thousands will spend this Christmas in temporary accommodation – a home that is not their own.

Globally there are more refugees today fleeing horror than at any time since the Second World War.

These are lives that are being held back, young people who are not getting the opportunities they should.

We should always be asking ourselves – all of us, not just politicians – whether we could do more for others.

In this way, the Christmas story holds up a mirror to us all. “Do unto others as you would have done to you” – that is the essence of my socialism, summed up in the word ­“solidarity”.

The concept of solidarity is about our unity – we succeed or fail together. Yet too often there are attempts to divide us, to scapegoat, rather than help, those in need.

Jesus said: “It is more blessed to give than to receive”.

It is a similar maxim that inspired our party: “From each according to their means, to each according to their needs.”

May you enjoy a merry Christmas as we all reflect on how we create a better world in 2016.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyns-mirror-christmas-message-7042672

That wasn't to my taste anyway. He's using elements of Christianity to advance his political ideas and his own career, which doesn't impress me.

Lord Foul wrote:given the lefty stance that "we dont do it so we dont see why YOU should"

I would suggest that it ought to bother you Ragga...
remember this is the leader of a potential ruling party (joke )

with that attitude I wonder how long it would take him to "ban christmas" (all in the name of community cohesion of course)

the real point is that leaders should not introduce their personal misery into the life of the nation

I think you're perhaps reading too much into it Vic. However, what about the other side? People are told they should celebrate Christmas one way or another, and if they don't, they're told they're "bah humbug", or they're antisocial, or whatever. Why is it OK for people to be maligned in that manner?

Morning Rags, that's what political leaders do, relate the teachings of the Christmas story to things that are happening now.  See

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3372686/PM-invokes-Jesus-Prince-Peace-Xmas-message-Cameron-says-Christian-values-key-making-Britain-successful-home-all.html

http://www.markpack.org.uk/136392/tim-farron-christmas-message/

(although I have to say, Tim Farron doesn't bring in the armed services, just the homeless).

BTW, on the link I gave for Corbyn it states that Cameron was also asked to give his message via the Mirror, but it was obviously too down market for him, and he declined.

sassy wrote:Morning Rags, that's what political leaders do, relate the teachings of the Christmas story to things that are happening now.  See

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3372686/PM-invokes-Jesus-Prince-Peace-Xmas-message-Cameron-says-Christian-values-key-making-Britain-successful-home-all.html

http://www.markpack.org.uk/136392/tim-farron-christmas-message/

(although I have to say, Tim Farron doesn't bring in the armed services, just the homeless).

BTW, on the link I gave for Corbyn it states that Cameron was also asked to give his message via the Mirror, but it was obviously too down market for him, and he declined.

I'm not keen on any of these Christmas speeches from politicians really. Corbyn should have just said nothing and stuck to sending out that rather nice card.

Rags, he'd be damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

sassy wrote:Rags, he'd be damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

Ah, but does he care if he's damned or not? I'm really not sure about the background to all this, and whether or not he's a fan of Christmas - not everyone is. If he's not, he should just say so instead of putting a message in a tabloid which is clearly designed to cater to everyone - without much success IMO. Alternatively, perhaps he could have written a message telling people that's it's really not that important if they don't have tinsel to match their home decor.

Unlike Cameron, he doesn't go round saying he's an evangelist, but as he is very close to his family, you should have seen his grandson sneak up onto the stage and gaze at him adoringly at Beeston, or the way all his family were there with him, they all, him included, mixing with the crowds and laughing and joking, I doubt he'll be doing anything unlike any other family, enjoying the day together.

sassy wrote:Unlike Cameron, he doesn't go round saying he's an evangelist, but as he is very close to his family, you should have seen his grandson sneak up onto the stage and gaze at him adoringly at Beeston, or the way all his family were there with him, they all, him included, mixing with the crowds and laughing and joking, I doubt he'll be doing anything unlike any other family, enjoying the day together.

At least Cameron didn't sneak those references to Christianity in, and he was more upfront.

I find all these Christmas messages rather smug and irritating. They assume that everyone wants the same kind of Christmas, and if they don't get it, they're to be pitied.

What?  Have you actually read it?

sassy wrote:What?  Have you actually read it?

Yes - both of them, and I wish I hadn't bothered.

These politicians are always so busy telling people what they want, and what they should do or think about at Christmas. They need to mind their own business.

I mean - look at this thread. It's now a competition to see which political leader is doing the "right" or "wrong" thing at Christmas. Christmas is like a huge competition these days - who makes the "right" or "wrong" speech, who is having a better time than others, who is doing "good works" at Christmas and who isn't, who is to be pitied, who has been to the most Christmas parties, who has the best tinsel ...

Err, think I'll leave you to pick the bones, lol

sassy wrote:Err, think I'll leave you to pick the bones, lol

Thank you. At least I'm not discriminating here - all those speeches suck.

Eilzel wrote:Vic. First you cimplain that he didn't have a Christmas message, then when it is showm that he actually did, you switch to complaining about the content of the message rather that admit you were wrong

Ignore him. He's just a grumpy git

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:Rags, he'd be damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

Ah, but does he care if he's damned or not? I'm really not sure about the background to all this, and whether or not he's a fan of Christmas - not everyone is. If he's not, he should just say so instead of putting a message in a tabloid which is clearly designed to cater to everyone - without much success IMO. Alternatively, perhaps he could have written a message telling people that's it's really not that important if they don't have tinsel to match their home decor.

Rags, just to give you an idea:

Jeremy Corbyn
9 hrs ·
I went to see Rapunzel, a brilliant panto at the Park Theatre.
An alternative and unique panto which is on all over Christmas and until 2 January. The Park Theatre is just a one minute from Finsbury Park Station.
Find out more here: https://www.parktheatre.co.uk/whats-on/rapunzel




I might disagree with a lot of his politics but Jeremy Corbyn was out today bucket shaking for the refugee crisis