One Dead As Car Ploughs Into Las Vegas Crowds

by Guest Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:19 am

A woman is held as police say the car, which had a toddler in it, was intentionally driven at crowds on the pavement. A woman intentionally swerved her car on to the pavement on the Las Vegas Strip two or three times, killing one person and injuring at least 37, police have said. Six people remain in a critical condition after the 1996 Oldsmobile hit crowds outside a casino on Sunday night. Police said the woman, who is in her 20s, had a three-year-old child in the car at time of the collisions. The child was unharmed. Lieutenant Dan McGrath said police believe it was an intentional act by the woman, who "went up and off these streets, two or possible three times". The woman - who was not injured - is being interviewed and is having her blood tested for alcohol and drugs. She is being held in jail pending charges.

http://news.sky.com/story/1609695/one-dead-as-car-ploughs-into-las-vegas-crowds

Be interested to see, the intent behind this attack. If it is poilitically motivated they would not be able to rule out terrorism. It could be mental health or a multituide of reasons for the inetnt. One thing could have a possible stroing connection, that of the method used to cuase maximum injuries and fatalities. By turning a car into a weapon, of which there has been a number of recent terrorist car ramming attacks.

I have posted in regards to the below before:

Very possibly. Research by Arizona State University mathematics research professor Sherry Towers and colleagues suggests that like suicides and homicides, media coverage of mass shootings and school shootings tend to increase similar incidents in the surrounding community.

[The San Bernardino shooting is the 355th mass shooting this year]

Terrorism research has found that terror attacks tend to be similarly “contagious.” (For a discussion on what I mean by “terrorism,” see this primer by Brian J. Phillips, who shares the same definition I do.) In an article published in 1980, Manus Midlarsky, Martha Crenshaw, and Fumihiko Yoshida argued that terror “is a highly imitable strategy.” Qualitative research based on various quasi-Marxist groups from the 1960s and 1970s suggests these groups learned from and emulated one another quite deliberately.

More recent research by Alex Braithwaite and Quan Li shows that incidents of terror tend to cluster around particular times and places as well, leading it to have similar “bursty” qualities in both space and time. Recent research by Blake Garcia and Cameron Wimpy has confirmed that anti-government violence tends to spread when people have access to information about violence in neighboring spaces. All these findings would be consistent with emulation dynamics, competition dynamics, or a mix of both.

Why do we observe these copycat dynamics?

Some suggest that incidents of violence “plant a seed” in the minds of those already predisposed to averse behavior, thereby tipping motivated actors into committed ones.

Others blame media coverage. Brigitte Nacos has argued that contemporary information technology makes the contagion of violence easier, expanding the potential geographic distribution of copycat violence. In the era of print media, for instance, the finite space for coverage of numerous violent events necessarily limited the amount of attention devoted to any single attack, thereby limiting incentives to engage in symbolic violence. With internet technology, these limitations are no more.

Easy access to more lethal technology — and knowledge about how to deploy it — may also be partially responsible for contagion of particular attack repertoires, such as bombings or shootings. In essence, they become easier to conduct after others have established and demonstrated the technical know-how required to carry them out. For instance, Michael Horowitz sees the rise of suicide bombing as a function of tactical diffusion across groups with similar dispositions and operational capacities.

Still others suggest that “violent entrepreneurs” are often seeking notoriety, prestige, or status among their own communities. Provocative acts by others might move them into action to steal some of the vicarious attention possible in such close proximity to another grisly act. Alternatively, it may allow them to “out-do” the prior act while the latter is still fresh in the minds of observers.

[People who live near mass shootings are less likely to vote Republican]

Finally, because terroristic violence by definition always involves a wider political goal, some have argued that terror is often an attempt to win support within a broader community — a community perhaps marginalized by various forms of oppression. This is especially likely when several groups are vying for popular support and political influence, thereby leading to “clustering” of terror incidents due to the internal competition and rivalry within competing groups.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/12/04/yes-mass-shootings-tend-to-produce-copycats-so-do-terror-attacks/

by Victorismyhero Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:04 am

well here we have it, this kind of thing is on the increase...vehicles as a weapon...

so...when we gonna ban cars??? Rolling Eyes

by Guest Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:35 pm

Police have stated it was intentional but not terrorism. Who knows.

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:20 pm

The woman has been named as Lakeisha Holloway. She is likely to be charged with murder, child abuse or neglect, failing to stop at the scene of an accident, and possibly multiple counts of attempted murder as well.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/21/at-least-11-hurt-after-car-plows-into-crowd-on-las-vegas-strip.html

For those of you who might be outraged that I've linked to Fox News, here's another link.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lakeisha-holloway-24-identified-suspect-deadly-las-vegas-crash-n483946

by eddie Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:23 pm

What did she do it for??

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:27 pm

eddie wrote:What did she do it for??

That's a mystery so far. According to one of the reports, she said she was stressed because she was sleeping in her car and security people kept telling her to move.

Holloway told investigators that she hadn't been drinking or using drugs, but she said she was under extreme stress Sunday because security at various locations kept running her off as she tried to sleep in her car, according to an arrest report.

by eddie Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:39 pm

How does a woman with children end up sleeping in her car? Firstly, isn't there a place for homeless families to go, like there is in the uk?
Secondly, why haven't those children been removed from her care prior to this??

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:48 pm

eddie wrote:How does a woman with children end up sleeping in her car? Firstly, isn't there a place for homeless families to go, like there is in the uk?
Secondly, why haven't those children been removed from her care prior to this??

There was only one child I think. I don't know the background to this, and neither does anyone else so far. Watch this space I guess.

by Original Quill Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:48 pm

It's only one child. She was apparently and exemplary student at a Portland, OR, prep school. They are expressing surprise that, of all people, it was her.

It appears to have been an impulsive act, having no link to any political or social agenda.

by eddie Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:57 pm

More to come on this then I guess.

by Original Quill Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:50 pm

I suppose. I think it's just an emotionally disturbed person.

by Raggamuffin Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:35 am

One news site has mentioned that Lakeisha Holloway is apparently a fan of the Black Lives Matter movement. I would take that to mean that they think this could have been a racially-motivated crime, but I think that's a bit of a leap really.

Meanwhile her family have said that she wasn't homeless, and that she had a job. They think she fell asleep at the wheel. Can't blame them for that really - it would be very hard for them to even entertain the idea that she might have done it on purpose.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/vegas-crasher-likes-black-lives-matter-megapastor/

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/22/us/las-vegas-strip-pedestrians-lakeisha-holloway/

by Original Quill Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:44 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:One news site has mentioned that Lakeisha Holloway is apparently a fan of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Honestly, who doesn't think black lives matter?

Raggamuffin wrote:I would take that to mean that they think this could have been a racially-motivated crime, but I think that's a bit of a leap really.

I agree. The 'Black lives matter' movement has to do with police brutality and murder. Nothing of that sort immediately preceded this incident. In light of this, suggestions to the contrary appear to be themselves politically motivated.

Raggamuffin wrote:Meanwhile her family have said that she wasn't homeless, and that she had a job. They think she fell asleep at the wheel. Can't blame them for that really - it would be very hard for them to even entertain the idea that she might have done it on purpose.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/vegas-crasher-likes-black-lives-matter-megapastor/

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/22/us/las-vegas-strip-pedestrians-lakeisha-holloway/

I find it hard to believe she wasn't homeless if she and her daughter were forced to sleep in their car. How does the family explain this?

by Raggamuffin Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:12 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:One news site has mentioned that Lakeisha Holloway is apparently a fan of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Honestly, who doesn't think black lives matter?

Raggamuffin wrote:I would take that to mean that they think this could have been a racially-motivated crime, but I think that's a bit of a leap really.

I agree. The 'Black lives matter' movement has to do with police brutality and murder. Nothing of that sort immediately preceded this incident. In light of this, suggestions to the contrary appear to be themselves politically motivated.

Raggamuffin wrote:Meanwhile her family have said that she wasn't homeless, and that she had a job. They think she fell asleep at the wheel. Can't blame them for that really - it would be very hard for them to even entertain the idea that she might have done it on purpose.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/vegas-crasher-likes-black-lives-matter-megapastor/

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/22/us/las-vegas-strip-pedestrians-lakeisha-holloway/

I find it hard to believe she wasn't homeless if she and her daughter were forced to sleep in their car. How does the family explain this?

She had an address in Portland and had only been in Vegas for one week. It's not clear why she went to Vegas. I don't know if she was forced to sleep in her car, or if she just found that cheaper than a hotel or whatever.

by Original Quill Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:00 pm

Either way, she was homeless in Vegas. Different from Sleepless in Seattle, I guess. Lol.

Depends on the definition of 'homeless'.

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:16 pm

In my view, this was an act of extreme frustration and anger - perhaps at the world in general. Lakeisha Holloway is said to be extremely remorseful at what she has done, whereas she was apparently quite calm immediately afterwards. It's a crying shame that she didn't stop and think twice before she did so much harm to others and ruined her own life in a few seconds.

by Original Quill Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:02 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:In my view, this was an act of extreme frustration and anger - perhaps at the world in general. Lakeisha Holloway is said to be extremely remorseful at what she has done, whereas she was apparently quite calm immediately afterwards. It's a crying shame that she didn't stop and think twice before she did so much harm to others and ruined her own life in a few seconds.

Agreed, remorse she didn't stop beforehand. We know so little about her situation.

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:05 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:In my view, this was an act of extreme frustration and anger - perhaps at the world in general. Lakeisha Holloway is said to be extremely remorseful at what she has done, whereas she was apparently quite calm immediately afterwards. It's a crying shame that she didn't stop and think twice before she did so much harm to others and ruined her own life in a few seconds.

Agreed, remorse she didn't stop beforehand. We know so little about her situation.

People sometimes do this stuff, and it's only when they calm down that they think - WTF was I thinking of? I suspect this is what happened in this case, and she can't make it right - not with one person being dead, never to return.

by Original Quill Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Agreed, remorse she didn't stop beforehand. We know so little about her situation.

People sometimes do this stuff, and it's only when they calm down that they think - WTF was I thinking of? I suspect this is what happened in this case, and she can't make it right - not with one person being dead, never to return.

Assuming she is sane. It takes a different mind (than mine) to do something like this.

by Victorismyhero Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:17 pm

We know very little about here..

what I want to know is ...does she have a history of "intemperate outbursts"

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:19 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

People sometimes do this stuff, and it's only when they calm down that they think - WTF was I thinking of? I suspect this is what happened in this case, and she can't make it right - not with one person being dead, never to return.

Assuming she is sane. It takes a different mind (than mine) to do something like this.

It would only make a difference if she didn't know what she was doing. If she was sleeping in her car for whatever reason, and was getting increasingly frustrated and stressed, she might have just snapped, but that doesn't mean she's not sane.

by Raggamuffin Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:04 am

Lakeisha Holloway had marijuana in her system at the time of the incident, but it wasn't enough to change her mental state apparently. I really don't think people should be driving if they've been using that stuff though.

According to the report, she's probably going to plead not guilty, so I guess that means she's going to say she fell asleep at the wheel or something. I don't how the prosecutors will prove that she did it intentionally - they'll have to rely on film and/or witness statements I suppose.

http://www.ibtimes.com/las-vegas-strip-crash-driver-lakeisha-holloway-had-marijuana-her-system-prosecutors-2245268

by Original Quill Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:52 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Lakeisha Holloway had marijuana in her system at the time of the incident, but it wasn't enough to change her mental state apparently. I really don't think people should be driving if they've been using that stuff though.

Wise choice. Same with alcohol...no one should be driving if they had even thimble-full of wine. But, most jurisdictions in the west have decided on a standard of a BAC of .08 or more. I don't know what the standard is for marijuana, but obviously if the authorities felt it was insufficient to be a threat in this case, I guess it wasn't a factor.

Raggamuffin wrote:According to the report, she's probably going to plead not guilty, so I guess that means she's going to say she fell asleep at the wheel or something. I don't how the prosecutors will prove that she did it intentionally - they'll have to rely on film and/or witness statements I suppose. The sleep defense is an interesting theory...I wonder what presumptions Nevada law has as to driving. I would expect they would have at least a 'criminally negligent' standard in the case of sleeping.

http://www.ibtimes.com/las-vegas-strip-crash-driver-lakeisha-holloway-had-marijuana-her-system-prosecutors-2245268

In the US you don't have to disclose the defense at the arraignment....just guilty/not guilty, which, if you want a trial, it had better be 'not guilty'. So a 'not guilty' plea doesn't tell us anything more than the case is going to trial.

It may be a while before we learn what's what with this case. And then it will be buried page 15, below the fold, as no one is interested if it is not terrorist related.

by Raggamuffin Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:55 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Lakeisha Holloway had marijuana in her system at the time of the incident, but it wasn't enough to change her mental state apparently. I really don't think people should be driving if they've been using that stuff though.

Wise choice. Same with alcohol...no one should be driving if they had even thimble-full of wine. But, most jurisdictions in the west have decided on a standard of a BAC of .08 or more. I don't know what the standard is for marijuana, but obviously if the authorities felt it was insufficient to be a threat in this case, I guess it wasn't a factor.

Raggamuffin wrote:According to the report, she's probably going to plead not guilty, so I guess that means she's going to say she fell asleep at the wheel or something. I don't how the prosecutors will prove that she did it intentionally - they'll have to rely on film and/or witness statements I suppose.

http://www.ibtimes.com/las-vegas-strip-crash-driver-lakeisha-holloway-had-marijuana-her-system-prosecutors-2245268

In the US you don't have to disclose the defense at the arraignment....just guilty/not guilty, which, if you want a trial, it had better be 'not guilty'. So a 'not guilty' plea doesn't tell us anything more than the case is going to trial.

It may be a while before we learn what's what with this case. And then it will be buried page 15, below the fold, as no one is interested if it is not terrorist related.

I shall be keeping an eye on it Quill. I feel a bit bad for this woman. I don't know why - I just feel that she lost it and did something bad which will never be put right. If she had just hesitated even for a few seconds, it might have been different.

I know she doesn't have to give a reason why she's pleading not guilty, I was just wondering on what grounds she thinks she's not guilty.

by Original Quill Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:00 pm

I know. I feel sympathy for her as well. I'd like to know more of the circumstances, like what was she doing sleeping in a car with a child?

by Raggamuffin Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:12 pm

Original Quill wrote:I know. I feel sympathy for her as well. I'd like to know more of the circumstances, like what was she doing sleeping in a car with a child?

I read that she on her way to see the child's father, but he's in Dallas apparently, so that doesn't make much sense.

by Original Quill Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:41 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:I know. I feel sympathy for her as well. I'd like to know more of the circumstances, like what was she doing sleeping in a car with a child?

I read that she on her way to see the child's father, but he's in Dallas apparently, so that doesn't make much sense.

Except Vegas is often a stop-over for people on cross-country trips...a little fun in the sun. Then drive south and across Hoover Dam, and you are on I-40...drive east for a couple of miles, hang a right on I-35, and you're in Dallas.

Living in a car doesn't sound like much of a vacation, but who knows?

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