More lefty terror sympathy

by Victorismyhero Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:38 am

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A former Home Office terrorism adviser has claimed UK authorities are tackling the terror threat in the wrong way, which is contributing to the radicalisation of young British Muslims.

Jahan Mahmood resigned from his government job in a disagreement over the country's counterterrorism strategy.

He claims there are far too many arrests and most of those detained are never charged or convicted.

:: Where is the capital of terror arrests?

His assertion is in part supported by a Sky News-commissioned analysis of arrest statistics, which reveals two-thirds of those detained under terror legislation last year were never charged with a terrorist offence.
Waris Ali
Video: 'I Was Labelled A Terrorist At 17'

Of 289 terrorism-related arrests in 2014, just 102 were later charged with a terror offence - 35% of the total detained.

The Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), which analysed the figures, said the arrest-to-charge ratio for terrorism offences is "substantially lower" in comparison to the charge rate for all criminal offences (58%).

Mr Mahmood said the trauma and stigma associated with being detained and accused of terrorism often alienates those people and can send some down a path towards violent extremism.

He believes the government is misrepresenting the severity of the threat facing the UK, which in turn puts pressure on the police to move in and arrest individuals, even though they might have little in the way of evidence that an offence has been committed.

He said: "There are simply too many arrests. I put that down to the legislation, but also because of this constant talk about the threat level being severe. That creates this atmosphere of fear.

"Not just fear within the community, but fear within the counterterrorism units around the country - a fear of not doing enough on time, which sometimes means they act without taking due process into consideration.

"This leads to individuals being pulled up on really very flimsy evidence, only to be later released."
Armed British police officers pose for a
Video: Public Are 'Key' To Fighting Terror

He added: "The implications of getting it wrong can only further radicalise some individuals and that's the worry."

Looking at the arrest statistics, RUSI said: "The number of arrests is often quoted as an illustration of the scale of the threat. However, it more accurately demonstrates the scale of police activity in countering it.

"Charge or conviction data would be a better measure of the level of confirmed terrorist activity."

Waris Ali was just 17 when he was arrested at his home in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, accused of downloading and possessing terrorist documents and ingredients which could be used to make explosives.

The authorities were convinced he posed a genuine threat to the public, but at his subsequent trial, a jury took just three hours to clear him of all charges.

That was seven years ago and the 25 year old is still very bitter about his treatment by the authorities, which included months of youth detention and 24-hour house arrest.

He told Sky News many young British Muslims are being targeted by the authorities for expressing the kind of views that would once have fallen under the category of freedom of speech, but which no longer seem to be tolerated.
Armed police take part in a simulated attack.
Video: Armed Police Simulate Terror Attack

His claims come as the Home Office told Sky News that 315 people were arrested on suspected terrorism charges in the last year up to September - up a third on the previous year.

Of those detained, 50 were women - double the number for 2013/14.

Mr Ali said: "There are many politically engaged Muslims - you see them on TV," said Waris. "But you see those same Muslims being smeared and labelled and being called an Islamist or terrorist sympathiser - even Jeremy Corbyn has been called a terrorist sympathiser by the Prime Minister.

"We need to have a more open and honest dialogue and discussion about the issues, rather than attacking people because of their faith. We need to actually listen to their arguments.

"If I can't go to the mosque and talk about these issues, if I can't talk about it at the workplace, if I can't talk about it at university, if I can't talk about it in the media, where exactly are people supposed to talk about these issues? Where exactly are people supposed to go?

"Is it any wonder that young Muslims who want to be politically engaged are being alienated."

For the police, it is a difficult path to tread. Senior officers say the need to disrupt potential terrorist activity quickly can often mean they struggle to gather enough evidence to put before the courts.
'British jihadists' video.
Video: Sept 2014: British Jihadis Report

Scotland Yard said it was working on 600 terror-related investigations.

A statement added: "We work proactively and positively to prevent attacks and other terrorist offences, and may exercise a power of arrest during that process if it is necessary to do so in order to obtain evidence.

"This may be the only way to find out that a person should no longer be suspected of committing an offence or to understand the need to refer them for further support or to confirm that there is evidence that offences have been committed.

"Any arrest as part of a counterterrorism policing investigation is carefully considered and only made if it is necessary, usually with senior officer oversight."

The Home Office responded by saying public safety must come first.

"At a time of such significant threat, it is only right that our police, security and intelligence agencies take all necessary steps to protect the British public," a statement said.

"At the same time we are working in partnership with local groups and communities to challenge those who spread hatred and intolerance."

oh dear the poor darlings are feeling badly done to....

perhaps we should just leave em to get on with it...

after all whats a few blown up....

by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:58 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:Didge,,,its a regressive lefty thing

the object of attention pretends "victim status", squeals loud and they immediately buckle and give in

instead of handing out a hefty slap.

they have done it constantly and regularly for years....

Are you capable of debating an issue without throwing out insults like that?

oh sorry ben...I didnt realise you were so easily "insulted" Laughing

ok whats the difference (except in words)
between " take action where it's clear we're fighting crime and violence, "

and waiting weeks for confirmation

and in the meanwile the bomb goes off???

or perhaps we should just arrest a few whiteys at random...just to "balance the books"

hmm

weasle words Ben...thats all

unfortunately the ISLAMIST, doesnt come with a lable that distinguishes him from a follower of islam and indeed it is not too uncommon it seems for the latter to turn into the former on the flimsy excuse of "insult"

so the followers of islam are going to have to grow up and realise that becasue of this, they are going to be inconvenienced...sometimes mightily inconvenienced ....

at least they are alive....

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:00 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:Didge,,,its a regressive lefty thing

the object of attention pretends "victim status", squeals loud and they immediately buckle and give in

instead of handing out a hefty slap.

they have done it constantly and regularly for years....

Be fair ben is not stupid and not like veya, who will lash out like i can do.

Its finding balance here, we should not allow a poverty stricken situation or the worst discrmination, which makes people far more susceptible to being drawn to hate. Its also recognising which the left are appalling at of recognising that there are a sizeable group that promotes this hate and also that this group denies everything we have fought for years to obtain, near equality. This is where the left fall down, and its an absurd belief that they themselves will be deemed racist or prejudice for being critical of bad beliefs. This is the most idiotic aspect of leftism, we all are prejudiced, even lefties, forr example against child sex abiuse. But where many in the US will be ultimately prejudice against the Teq Party or republicans thwwy will not hold the same view to a Muslim, in case they think wrongly they are being prejudiced, ev en though they already are to the right wingers. Why is that okay to be intolerant of one belief, but of a similar intolerant belief make the poorest excuses?

Its the most contradictive bullshit ever found. They will happilly label just about every republican as the same, but would melt like the wicked witch of the west if ever doing the same of a belief systenm like islam. I mean to them, its okay to label every Republican or in the UK UKIP a racist, but they rightly do not apply the same to Muslims. We do not apply the sam to Muslims, but they show the worst hypocrisy, by doing what they claim we do, but what we never actually do. They would back any stance or petition for example to ban Trump. Yet if the same was of a Muslim extremist, then as if by magic, the same principles they hold are thrown out of the window. They allow some regresive groups or people themselves to be allowed a free pass they would never offer or provide to a republican or a UKIP member.

That is where the regressive left go utterly wrong, they label all on the right as one, when some of use whether left or right do not label all Muslims and far from it

by Ben Reilly Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:04 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:Didge,,,its a regressive lefty thing

the object of attention pretends "victim status", squeals loud and they immediately buckle and give in

instead of handing out a hefty slap.

they have done it constantly and regularly for years....

Are you capable of debating an issue without throwing out insults like that?

oh sorry ben...I didnt realise you were so easily "insulted"

ok whats the difference (except in words)
between " take action where it's clear we're fighting crime and violence, "

and waiting weeks for confirmation

and in the meanwile the bomb goes off???

or perhaps we should just arrest a few whiteys at random...just to "balance the books"

hmm

weasle words Ben...thats all

unfortunately the ISLAMIST, doesnt come with a lable that distinguishes him from a follower of islam and indeed it is not too uncommon it seems for the latter to turn into the former on the flimsy excuse of "insult"

so the followers of islam are going to have to grow up and realise that becasue of this, they are going to be inconvenienced...sometimes mightily inconvenienced ....

at least they are alive....

You're only being fair if you treat every person you deem a potentially violent criminal the same. If you don't do that, you're profiling. As I said in my post which you had no response to, that creates resentment and leads to more violence.

So you're not really helping save lives at all; you're feeding into what the terrorist groups want, which is to be able to sell Muslims on the idea that the West is against them and their religion. Your policy proposals would make British law enforcement a tool of ISIS recruiters.

by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:05 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:they have done it with the excuse of "well it doesnt infringe YOUR rights"

now they see why THEIR way of continuous appeasement doesnt work

its gone from "special food rights" (in contravention to animal welfare standards)
to clothing.... they can enter a till area with face and head covered ...i cant

now its gone even to policeing

they feel "they can do as they want and its "insulting and "radicalising" to be policed ....IN EXACTLY THE SAME way as the irish were at the height of the troubles and in exactly the SAME way as any group white black or purple with green spots would be policed under the same circumstance

and once again...despite the fact that THIS TIME the issue is everyones safety

the lefty's want to crawl on their bellies to them and appologies and appease

PFFFT

I'm talking about reality. Ask yourself what came out of the Abu Ghraib scandal, Guantanamo Bay, and for that matter the U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security report on right-wing domestic terrorism. Terrorism increased. Terrorist organizations used it to recruit and build their numbers. More people died.

erm...Im talking about OUR cops shock horror "rounding up" a few hundred potential terrorists (on the basis of intel gained) and holding them to ascertain whether or not the intel was "good"...

NOT the actions of a country gone mad.

Now, do you know better than someone whose job was to figure out how to keep Muslims from being radicalized?

and my point is, if they are so easily insulted then they dont either deserve to be or should be tolerated HERE.

if nothing else THIS in and of itself shows that islam is NOT compatible with western values

Or do you just believe in fighting stupid and not worrying about how much blood is shed?

by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:08 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:

oh sorry ben...I didnt realise you were so easily "insulted"

ok whats the difference (except in words)
between " take action where it's clear we're fighting crime and violence, "

and waiting weeks for confirmation

and in the meanwile the bomb goes off???

or perhaps we should just arrest a few whiteys at random...just to "balance the books"

hmm

weasle words Ben...thats all

unfortunately the ISLAMIST, doesnt come with a lable that distinguishes him from a follower of islam and indeed it is not too uncommon it seems for the latter to turn into the former on the flimsy excuse of "insult"

so the followers of islam are going to have to grow up and realise that becasue of this, they are going to be inconvenienced...sometimes mightily inconvenienced ....

at least they are alive....

You're only being fair if you treat every person you deem a potentially violent criminal the same. If you don't do that, you're profiling. As I said in my post which you had no response to, that creates resentment and leads to more violence.

BULLSHIT....I think you will find that if the cops have intel that someone is about to commit a violent criome...be he black white or green with yellow spots.....they will have him/her

HEY ...I already SAID THAT DUMBO

So you're not really helping save lives at all; you're feeding into what the terrorist groups want, which is to be able to sell Muslims on the idea that the West is against them and their religion. Your policy proposals would make British law enforcement a tool of ISIS recruiters.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:09 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:

oh sorry ben...I didnt realise you were so easily "insulted"

ok whats the difference (except in words)
between " take action where it's clear we're fighting crime and violence, "

and waiting weeks for confirmation

and in the meanwile the bomb goes off???

or perhaps we should just arrest a few whiteys at random...just to "balance the books"

hmm

weasle words Ben...thats all

unfortunately the ISLAMIST, doesnt come with a lable that distinguishes him from a follower of islam and indeed it is not too uncommon it seems for the latter to turn into the former on the flimsy excuse of "insult"

so the followers of islam are going to have to grow up and realise that becasue of this, they are going to be inconvenienced...sometimes mightily inconvenienced ....

at least they are alive....

You're only being fair if you treat every person you deem a potentially violent criminal the same. If you don't do that, you're profiling. As I said in my post which you had no response to, that creates resentment and leads to more violence.

So you're not really helping save lives at all; you're feeding into what the terrorist groups want, which is to be able to sell Muslims on the idea that the West is against them and their religion. Your policy proposals would make British law enforcement a tool of ISIS recruiters.

So why is it that many on the left, the regressives, treat every Republican or Ukip supporter as a typical sterotype, homophobe racist sexist then?
Are you not then guilty of what you claim opf others?
You see this is why the left lose support Ben, because people get fed up of being labbelled themselves as they are often done do by the left. Its a good thing they are not led by a hate narative or daft beliefs like jihad or martydom, because lets face it the US would face terrorism as is seen in the Middle east.
So you say about resentment and yet it is an narative and sterotype of the left that creates one on the right

by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:11 pm

@ BEN...I already said that

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t12663-more-lefty-terror-sympathy#249277 Laughing

by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:17 pm

did the irish, travelling between Dún Laoghaire and hollyhead kick off about being searched and having their vehicles searched, during the troubles...did they become more radicalised ?? did they hell, the vast majority understood it was for everyones benefit and whilst "a bit miffed" perhaps at the delay went on as normal...

large numbers were "rounded up" innocent as well as guilty...did they become radicalised...NO

so whats the problem

ah yes...its...........ISLAM and the "flexible friend" the left, whom they have gotten used to ordering around...

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:30 pm

Twio things about that conflict you are wrong on.
Did it radicalize?
Yes and not because of seraches but how people were treated by seraches. It was how people were handled badly Victor, that allowed them to fall again to a narative of hate. It is again this one aspect, that people always fall onto hate. It is those who preach this hate that make the reality and step possible. The worst joke about the situation was the British army hands were tied. They knew many of the operatives, they even stopped many daily, but these terrorists knew they could not be touched, because of yet again lefty pussies giving an outcry of any form of assassination. The left argument which has no comprehension of how to fight terrorism, is by bowing down and being outraged we would assassinate 3 people in Gibralta, who were planned to murder British citizens. That is why the left is daft, they would rather be outraged at a preventitive assassination which could save many lives, than the loss of 3 terrorists.

The fact is many British soldiers knew who they were but could not touch many of them and even worse the IRA would goad them, saying, how is your wife by name. They had their sources too. But again what really only radicalised people was through terror. The IRA would knee cap or murder anyone not with them. They were barbaric. If the British had a free hand, they could have executed the majority and the IRA would have collapsed

Yes they did resent it and even more civillians resented the fact they lived in fear of the IRA or UFV, but again it was a hate propaganda that has always fueld violence. I have always wanted a united ireland, but not by violence

by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:41 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:Twio things about that conflict you are wrong on.
Did it radicalize?
Yes and not because of seraches but how people were treated by seraches. It was how people were handled badly Victor, that allowed them to fall again to a narative of hate. It is again this one aspect, that people always fall onto hate. It is those who preach this hate that make the reality and step possible. The worst joke about the situation was the British army hands were tied. They knew many of the operatives, they even stopped many daily, but these terrorists knew they could not be touched, because of yet again lefty pussies giving an outcry of any form of assassination. The left argument which has no comprehension of how to fight terrorism, is by bowing down and being outraged we would assassinate 3 people in Gibralta, who were planned to murder British citizens. That is why the left is daft, they would rather be outraged at a preventitive assassination which could save many lives, than the loss of 3 terrorists.

The fact is many British soldiers knew who they were but could not touch many of them and even worse the IRA would goad them, saying, how is your wife by name. They had their sources too. But again what really only radicalised people was through terror. The IRA would knee cap or murder anyone not with them. They were barbaric. If the British had a free hand, they could have executed the majority and the IRA would have collapsed

Yes they did resent it and even more civillians resented the fact they lived in fear of the IRA or UFV, but again it was a hate propaganda that has always fueld violence. I have always wanted a united ireland, but not by violence

A telling point Didge..yes I dont doubt that the actions of one group would recruit for the other....

but I dont think many actions of "official bodies" such as say customs or english police had much of a "radicalising effect" I mean, consider even at the height of the troubles, how many thousands of irish passed back and forth beteewn ireland and the UK....I dont think many of those "joined up with the IRA" on the basis of being "insulted" by those searches...

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:44 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:Twio things about that conflict you are wrong on.
Did it radicalize?
Yes and not because of seraches but how people were treated by seraches. It was how people were handled badly Victor, that allowed them to fall again to a narative of hate. It is again this one aspect, that people always fall onto hate. It is those who preach this hate that make the reality and step possible. The worst joke about the situation was the British army hands were tied. They knew many of the operatives, they even stopped many daily, but these terrorists knew they could not be touched, because of yet again lefty pussies giving an outcry of any form of assassination. The left argument which has no comprehension of how to fight terrorism, is by bowing down and being outraged we would assassinate 3 people in Gibralta, who were planned to murder British citizens. That is why the left is daft, they would rather be outraged at a preventitive assassination which could save many lives, than the loss of 3 terrorists.

The fact is many British soldiers knew who they were but could not touch many of them and even worse the IRA would goad them, saying, how is your wife by name. They had their sources too. But again what really only radicalised people was through terror. The IRA would knee cap or murder anyone not with them. They were barbaric. If the British had a free hand, they could have executed the majority and the IRA would have collapsed

Yes they did resent it and even more civillians resented the fact they lived in fear of the IRA or UFV, but again it was a hate propaganda that has always fueld violence. I have always wanted a united ireland, but not by violence

A telling point Didge..yes I dont doubt that the actions of one group would recruit for the other....

but I dont think many actions of "official bodies" such as say customs or english police had much of a "radicalising effect" I mean, consider even at the height of the troubles, how many thousands of irish passed back and forth beteewn ireland and the UK....I dont think many of those "joined up with the IRA" on the basis of being "insulted" by those searches...

Agreed, like I say it was a combination and more terror itself.

by Ben Reilly Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:49 pm

So, Vic, you pick up 100 Muslims for every 1 attack you end up preventing. Meanwhile, each of those stories filters throughout the Muslim world, helping recruit more terrorists. You get to prevent one bomb and satisfy your petty sense of what's fair, while helping ISIS win. Good for you.

by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:52 pm

whilst YOUR way gets a bomb that kills 50-200 people

initially once

then they realise that they can do as they like and you get one once a week

then once a day

welcome to beruitbritain

but of course no Muslims have been "insulted"

which is what REALLY matters?

by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:56 pm

you do realise dont you

if the way you see it is right

then so is TRUMP???

can you not see the connection???

if YOU are correct then these people are incendiary viscious and willingly violent at the slightest percieved "insult"

and thus cannot be allowed to be here....

by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:01 pm

oh and its not 100 picked up for every attack thwarted

its 100 picked up for every 35 good reasons..I.e 35% are charged ....

which is NOT a bad rate at all

see there again I have caught you making up figures to excuse this behavious of theirs...

thats called appeasement ben...its called closing your eyes to the reality

by Ben Reilly Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:23 pm

You just don't see it. I've spelled it all out as best as I can, but you're hearing something completely different in your head.

* A tight-knit community will see members being arrested but not charged as harassment

* When you harass a tight-knit community without producing results (finding terrorists), you create resentment

* When you create resentment, you push the crazies over the edge and endanger your own community

This isn't about appeasement or trying not to insult anyone. It's about keeping people safe and doing things that reduce rather than increase violence.

Again -- your attitude is exactly what ISIS wants to see.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:32 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:You just don't see it. I've spelled it all out as best as I can, but you're hearing something completely different in your head.

* A tight-knit community will see members being arrested but not charged as harassment

* When you harass a tight-knit community without producing results (finding terrorists), you create resentment

* When you create resentment, you push the crazies over the edge and endanger your own community

This isn't about appeasement or trying not to insult anyone. It's about keeping people safe and doing things that reduce rather than increase violence.

Again -- your attitude is exactly what ISIS wants to see.

Okay spell this out for me ben

A close knit community are oppressed because they are Christian.

Under Saddam

Far worse after the First Iraq war

Under and after the allied invasion even worse.

Where is the retribution?

Where is the terrorist attacks?

They have suffered more resentment than any group in Iraq.

So why does your points fall apart here then?

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:40 pm

In fact Ben, can you name a single terrorist attack by christians, the most persecuted group in the middle east in the last 5 years?
I mean by your view of invasion, and persecution, we should see a massive spike in Christian arabs comitting violence.

Why is it that we see near next to nothing of this?

Is it because the belief you had over what makes people commit to terrorism is horseshit?

And that you actually know fuck all about extremism.

I know you are part Irish mate, but I am half Irish, not some 4th generation yank who funds money to the irish, when they have no clue what harm it does.

Seriously your arguments end up showing Ben you have utterly no clue of terrorism, as I grew up with it for real and lost family over this,

What you claim is bollocks and I know what makes people hate, I have seen it.

by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:45 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:You just don't see it. I've spelled it all out as best as I can, but you're hearing something completely different in your head.

* A tight-knit community will see members being arrested but not charged as harassment

35% ARE charged

* When you harass a tight-knit community without producing results (finding terrorists), you create resentment

clearly they DO find terrorists 35% in fact

* When you create resentment, you push the crazies over the edge and endanger your own community

clearly there is either an epidemic of mental illness amongst them, or the are constitutionally unable to co-exist within our society

This isn't about appeasement or trying not to insult anyone. It's about keeping people safe and doing things that reduce rather than increase violence.

no its about giving in when they threaten to have a tantrum

Again -- your attitude is exactly what ISIS wants to see.

again you are doing isis's work for them

what next...oh we had better surrender to isis or the crazies will become radicalised ???

come on...what do you do....

you are the chief constable of a county...
you get a nod from security that a person or persons is "up to something"

what you going to do...ignore it and hope they are wrong???

WELL???

or you get a call from a member of the public saying someone is suddenly hosting a number of men at their house, which is unusual, and a number of suspect packages are being taken in and out of the place what you going to do...

tell then to grow a pair and stop spying on their neighbour...?

yeah that will look good when the local shopping mall goes BOOOM

or yet anothe soldier is chopped up

or whatever

the cops HAVE to act on intel...

at least they are not quite so trigger happy over here.....

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:01 pm

Come on Ben

I want to know why you think you understand why Muslims in the Middle east feel so opressed to turn to terrorism, when minority groups far more oppressed like Christian Arabs do not resort to terrorism?

Is it that you are for once wrong and that it is actually more of what I have said about an narrative of hate?

So here is more evidence, can you find this same narative of hate preached with Iraqi or Syrian Christians?

Do not get me wrong Christianity is bullshit, but when you talk the most idiotic bull about close knit cimmunities and harrassment and they do not act off your left wing incorrect plan, then surely, its somethijng else other than all the points you raised.

Can you not see that?
You raised many points, so why of the many ethnic and religious gropups do we not see the same?

Can you now understand why what you claim to know is based off media bullshit? I do not hate Muslims and want to help the progressives and would never even treat any Muslim different as I believe in equality.

So why is it only in the main many Muslims turn to violence when they oppresses far worse the minorities?

I can help you on this, but you will hate the answer.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:13 pm

I wonder if you would like to estimate how many Muslim CIVILIANS have been killed in the Middle East by the West since 1990, and how many Christian CIVILIANS have been killed by the West since 1990?

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:20 pm

sassy wrote:I wonder if you would like to estimate how many Muslim CIVILIANS have been killed in the Middle East by the West since 1990, and how many Christian CIVILIANS have been killed by the West since 1990?

I wonder how many more chritians have been killed since the first Iraq war.]
What should ask is why again they have not resorted to terrorism, even though under saddam and this lastest goverment they are still perssecuted.
Bit hey sassy they are not Muslim, they do not matter to you, or jews, or druse or yazidis or kurds, only Muslims is what you feel aggreived about and yet by your hate make you antisemitic and racist against Israelis
So how many christians have been murdered by islamic extremists sassy?
Hoe many acccidents by the allies?
Do you understand murder and collaterol damage?
Then explain why they have not committed to terrorism, which makes your daft apologist bullshit mean you actually defend Islam itself, which is why its transgression and jihad and martydom that make people commit violen ce

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:31 pm

Perhaps, just for once, you would like to be a grown up and have a grown up discussion, without descending to your normal abuse. Every innocent person matters to me, black, white, rich, poor, Christian, Muslim, Jews, Atheists, etc etc etc.

I asked you a civil question, perhaps you would like to answer it.

How many Muslim CIVILIANS and how many Christian CIVILIANS in the Middle East do you estimate have been killed by the West in the last 25 years?

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:35 pm

sassy wrote:Perhaps, just for once, you would like to be a grown up and have a grown up discussion, without descending to your normal abuse. Every innocent person matters to me, black, white, rich, poor, Christian, Muslim, Jews, Atheists, etc etc etc.

I asked you a civil question, perhaps you would like to answer it.

How many Muslim CIVILIANS and how man Christian CIVILIANS in the Middle East do you estimate have been killed by the West in the last 25 years?

Prehaps for once you can actually respond to my points

Why have next to no Arab Iraqi christians not resorted to terrorism?

Why is it in the main mostly Muslims?

I will tell you why.

A narative of hate and also a regreseive left wing bullshit narative that accepts blame.

So list me how many Arab christian groups that are terrorists and a global threat sassy?

Then do the same with Druze\

Then Yizadi

If you want to go off body count, well you lose

how many did Saddam cause directly and indirectly and how many would he have caused whiilts in power?

It will dwarf any copy and paste you will find and I know you will not be able top find

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:37 pm

I asked you first, if you wish to answer do, if you don't we will terminate the conversation as you can't deal with it.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:41 pm

sassy wrote:I asked you first, if you wish to answer do, if you don't we will terminate the conversation as you can't deal with it.

Copoy what does it matter whether they are christian or Muslim that dies, they were all Iraqi's.

You are jsut being pig ignorant as per usual, even ben knows when he is out on a limb.

So again what relebvance does the fatality rate or persecution rate have, when it is far worse on Christians over and after 1991 on christians. To the fact we di not see mass Arab chruistians terrorists?

I love how sassy plays the fatality game on numbers, always a flaw

Do you know why sassy?

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:42 pm

So you can't deal with it. Ok, conversation terminated.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:46 pm

sassy wrote:So you can't deal with it. Ok, conversation terminated.

You mean you cnnot anserr my points
I cannot stand idiots that clai,m to know history and know fuck all

How many terrorist christian attacks were there in iraq sassy?

How many shia?

Hoam may sunni?

If no Christians or Yazidi or even kurds, then clearly it was not the allies but oustide islamic influence

Please give me more of yout feeble answers I love showing up idiots like you sassy

Even ben knows when he cannot answer and he is way more intelligent than you

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:47 pm

Last question sassy, how many christans were persecuted under saddam?

How many fled?

How many turned to terrorism?

Why is it always a number game with regressive idiots, so lets see the numbers of christians persecuted shall we sassy.
How many is that in percentages compared to Muslims.
You see your number game comes back to bite you badly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iraq

https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/world-watch-list/

So why have we not seen them turn to mass terrorism?

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