Scam Harris

Lord Foul wrote:It probably also helped that I suggested that in addition to wrongful arrest and malicious prosecution, I would lay charges of religious persecution at their door, being as I am a druid and a staff is part of druid paraphenalia, like the sikh knife......

fancy that...i played the victim card....its cos i is a druid innit

Lord Foul wrote:I would argue to an extent with you veya, Yes the man with a gun does have an advantage, but how much that matters depends where you are, and what scenario you envisage


let your average gun totting gangsta loose on my permission after dark especially (a mix of fields, long grass hedges and woodland) and give me a knife....and I'll bring you his kidneys to go with your chianti

same in a building, (where someone with a "long gun" is distinctly hampered)  lets play hide n seek

Tommy Monk wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Irrelevant if both have guns the victim is shot already or have the gun pointed at them making it impossible to draw it without being shot.
either way you are relying on someone willing to fight and risk their life to save another.
a Capable man can do that against a knife. Everyone is the victim of the gun man NO ONE can stand up to a gun.
The BAD guy is always going to be better armed, as they are the only one planning to create an incident.

And have you fired a gun? Size and strength make it easier

Yes... a few actually... I prefer a 9mm semi to a 44 magnum all day long...!


I think some are missing the point I'm making here...


I'm not advocating the increased Ability of criminals to reign over normal law abiding citizens... I'm saying that criminals and other violent attackers would not have such ability to gain such easy control over others if everyone else also had the necessary weapons to hand that thereby gave the equalising force I'm talking about.

Tommy Monk wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Ok Sassy... think about it for a second...


An unarmed man tries to attack a woman for example... or woman attacking a man...


What would be the most likely outcome?


And if both had knives and still required close contact fighting...?


Size/strength is overwhelming important factor in resulting outcome...


Now... if both have guns...?


Individual size/strength is no longer the defining factor in conflict as would be in close combat scenario...


Penny dropped yet...!?

Irrelevant if both have guns the victim is shot already or have the gun pointed at them making it impossible to draw it without being shot.
either way you are relying on someone willing to fight and risk their life to save another.
a Capable man can do that against a knife. Everyone is the victim of the gun man NO ONE can stand up to a gun.
The BAD guy is always going to be better armed, as they are the only one planning to create an incident.

And have you fired a gun? Size and strength make it easier

Yes... a few actually... I prefer a 9mm semi to a 44 magnum all day long...!


I think some are missing the point I'm making here...


I'm not advocating the increased Ability of criminals to reign over normal law abiding citizens... I'm saying that criminals and other violent attackers would not have such ability to gain such easy control over others if everyone else also had the necessary weapons to hand that thereby gave the equalising force I'm talking about.

sassy wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:It probably also helped that I suggested that in addition to wrongful arrest and malicious prosecution, I would lay charges of religious persecution at their door, being as I am a druid and a staff is part of druid paraphenalia, like the sikh knife......

fancy that...i played the victim card....its cos i is a druid innit

Love it, so is hickory the best, cos this witch only wants the best.

veya_victaous wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:I would argue to an extent with you veya, Yes the man with a gun does have an advantage, but how much that matters depends where you are, and what scenario you envisage


let your average gun totting gangsta loose on my permission after dark especially (a mix of fields, long grass hedges and woodland) and give me a knife....and I'll bring you his kidneys to go with your chianti

same in a building, (where someone with a "long gun" is distinctly hampered)  lets play hide n seek

My experiences is standing opposite each other arguing (a few metres away)  no stealth no planning or strategy just straight up i thought it was going to be a fist fight and he pulled a knife out the back of his pants when I came forward at him.
It was the closest i have come to dying in a fight, his first attempted stab was a surprise and I literally just managed to doge it by millimeters on pure instinct, strange moment of seeing the blade catch you t-shirt but miss you and only in that moment going "fuck he's got a knife" but at the same time i was relatively unharmed at the end of it... I managed to grab his wrist as he went for a second attempt, then i got the side of his head an swung him around into a wall....  the thing about weapons is they make it all or nothing so quickly...

In my experience unarmed fights tend to end with both people quite injured, but not needing surgery or anything like that.

Tommy Monk wrote:And Veya... two idiots can out vote a genus... doesn't stop you supporting democracy...

Lord Foul wrote:

sassy wrote:

Love it, so is hickory the best, cos this witch only wants the best.

hickory is good...hard wearing and all that, you would have to look up its properties of course, to see if it matched you

mine of course is oak

Tommy Monk wrote:Disarming the public further while failing to disarm the criminals is a worse situation...


In context with Sassys earlier post... remove guns from everyone but the criminals will still have them and then easier for them to exert control... removing knives is impossible...

And if only fists and ropes were remaining then stronger would be free to reign over others still...

Lord Foul wrote:what do you do when it proves that SKYNET is a plonker???

veya_victaous wrote:

Eilzel wrote:This guy is an outright liar.

He didn't say he agreed we should keep Muslims out. He said it wasn't xenophobic to voice that concern. I agree.
How is it not xenophobic?
"A person who is fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or of people from different countries or cultures."
pretty sure it is a textbook xenophobic opinion. merely applying to all Muslims but not all people makes it prejudice and anti secular persecution based on religion.

He didn't say he would vote Carson generally. He stated that in the imagined scenario of Chomsky vs Carson he would vote Carson. I think that is silly, but he did not say he would vote for Carson in anything other than in this hypothetical scenario.
SO he is the Biggest hypocrite out because in NO CIRCUMSTANCE should someone that proclaims to believe and follow logic and reason then say they'd vote for the guy's that wants to teach that the Pyramids could have been built as Gain stores, Over one of the most respected
"American linguist, cognitive scientist, philosopher,^[21][22] logician,^[23][24][25] political commentator, social justice activist, and anarcho-syndicalist advocate" on the planet.
Chomsky is millions of times better than Harris can even Comprehend, Harris is TOO DUMB, too much of a hypocrite too much of a promoter of hatred. he is the westboro of atheism.

Even on Jesus. I'm sure Sam doesn't believe in Jesus at all. But it is entirely reasonable to say there is more chance he would return to Israel IF he did exist, than Missouri. In the same way I would say if Harry Potter suddenly became real he would live in England lol

I used to like TYT but this is poor.

Eilzel wrote:Nonsense veya. Again I don't agree with him on Chomsky, but the point that you miss is that he didn't say he was going to vote him in reality. Which the presenter was suggesting.  Even Suggesting it in a theoretical Circumstance means he has lost any claim to making decisions based on reason and logic. the truth doesn't care about feelings or Sam's Jihad on religion. Only what is true, to support the sort of Idiocy Carson Want to teach to score points in some meaningless debate to make atheists feel like they are superior Makes Him Scum. To risk the education of future generations for HIS FAITH is just as reprehensible as someone demanding to teach the Bible or Koran as fact.

On xenophobia. In this case, it is not an entirely irrational fear. You are basically shutting down a concern by people who are hearing of Jihadists murdering people every single day. And once again Sam did not say he supported the policy overall, which the presenter again suggested he did.

Eilzel wrote:And how many Muslim civilians have been killed by jihadists? A lot. Do we want the numbers killed in the west to be comparable to those killed in the middle east? Of course not.
Is that relevant.. No...
Someone is robbing your neighbors house, so it OK if you rob them too?


So is a fear of jihadists coming to the west a relevant concern? Yes it is.
relevant? maybe. Justifiable NO, Hypocritical YES, primitive YES, makes us every bit as bad as them, YES.
For it to a valid fear you have to say, based on the number of deaths, Muslims are right to fear and defend the Middle east from the presence of westerners. Thus Justifying the deaths of westerners on a scale of 100 to 1.

Does it mean it is reasonable to stop Muslims all Muslims coming to the west? No.

But is expressing the possibility, based on understandable fear bigoted? No.
It is not an 'Understandable fear' it is baseless ignorant hypocritical fear. that cannot be supported by Logic and reason WITH OUT justifying EVERY complaint Muslims has about the west.

Eilzel wrote:Veya, your picking at the things I'm saying is pointless. All I'm saying is this guy said that Harris said things he didn't say. That is all.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Veya, your picking at the things I'm saying is pointless. All I'm saying is this guy said that Harris said things he didn't say. That is all.

And that's his trick, which I'm amazed so called educated and intelligent people can't see.

Harris's double talk allows him to deny things he supposedly never said.

Here's another example where he recommends nuking 10m innocent civilians, maybe! ;-)

Just becuase he said maybe will allow him to deny he condoned mass murder.



https://youtu.be/IPMSwKbY5ms

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Veya, your picking at the things I'm saying is pointless. All I'm saying is this guy said that Harris said things he didn't say. That is all.

And that's his trick, which I'm amazed so called educated and intelligent people can't see.

Harris's double talk allows him to deny things he supposedly never said.

Here's another example where he recommends nuking 10m innocent civilians, maybe! ;-)

Just becuase he said maybe will allow him to deny he condoned mass murder.



https://youtu.be/IPMSwKbY5ms

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

And that's his trick, which I'm amazed so called educated and intelligent people can't see.

Harris's double talk allows him to deny things he supposedly never said.

Here's another example where he recommends nuking 10m innocent civilians, maybe! ;-)

Just becuase he said maybe will allow him to deny he condoned mass murder.



https://youtu.be/IPMSwKbY5ms

This coming from a follower of Islam as backward a belief system as possible

I see again you twist his words where he makes the point on if it would be viable facing such a threat if to use a nuke, but then you buy into any bullshit you read because you never read anything in context.
We have seen this same arguemnt before
People are wising up to the virus which is your religion, whichs its intent is to globally take over. I mean the fact you view Muslims as brothers and sisters and not non-Muslims, shows the religious racism that is derived from such a barbaric ideology.
Its time Islam progresses before people get to the point where they have have lost all patients with this barbarity that is steeped in 7th century ideology

Didge wrote:Looks utterly unhappy and absued, poor dog, I have a good mind to contant the RSPCA

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:Looks utterly unhappy and absued, poor dog, I have a good mind to contant the RSPCA

A classic response of a person losing a sense of control. Lol!

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

A classic response of a person losing a sense of control. Lol!

Seriously from a follower of Islam, you have no comprehension of what control is.
Please move along little brat and run along and play with your jihad suicide dolls eh

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

And that's his trick, which I'm amazed so called educated and intelligent people can't see.

Harris's double talk allows him to deny things he supposedly never said.

Here's another example where he recommends nuking 10m innocent civilians, maybe! ;-)

Just becuase he said maybe will allow him to deny he condoned mass murder.



https://youtu.be/IPMSwKbY5ms

This coming from a follower of Islam as backward a belief system as possible

I see again you twist his words where he makes the point on if it would be viable facing such a threat if to use a nuke, but then you buy into any bullshit you read because you never read anything in context.
We have seen this same arguemnt before
People are wising up to the virus which is your religion, whichs its intent is to globally take over. I mean the fact you view Muslims as brothers and sisters and not non-Muslims, shows the religious racism that is derived from such a barbaric ideology.
Its time Islam progresses before people get to the point where they have have lost all patients with this barbarity that is steeped in 7th century ideology

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

A classic response of a person losing a sense of control. Lol!

Seriously from a follower of Islam, you have no comprehension of what control is.
Please move along little brat and run along and play with your jihad suicide dolls eh

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

This coming from a follower of Islam as backward a belief system as possible

I see again you twist his words where he makes the point on if it would be viable facing such a threat if to use a nuke, but then you buy into any bullshit you read because you never read anything in context.
We have seen this same arguemnt before
People are wising up to the virus which is your religion, whichs its intent is to globally take over. I mean the fact you view Muslims as brothers and sisters and not non-Muslims, shows the religious racism that is derived from such a barbaric ideology.
Its time Islam progresses before people get to the point where they have have lost all patients with this barbarity that is steeped in 7th century ideology

And why are you making this thread about me?

Are you really that obsessed by me?

These personal attacks just shows how pathetic you've become.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

Seriously from a follower of Islam, you have no comprehension of what control is.
Please move along little brat and run along and play with your jihad suicide dolls eh

Would you dare say the same to SM?

Or do you just reserve your bigotry for me, like a hypocrite?