Paris Shootings

Oh dear god....this breaks my heart.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html

Reports now of over 40 dead and over 100 held hostage at a concert hall as I speak. Horrifying.

Lord Foul wrote:

I'm watching at work....with tears streaming down my face....luckily not many children in...

Oh dear god this is awful!

Paris is such a beautiful and graceful city

All those hostages must be terrified

Been doing something else, only just seen it.  An automatic used in an Asian restaurant, football, a theatre.  Horrifying.

Another shooting being reported in a shopping mall now.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Live feed from Paris http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed?ns_campaign=marketing&ns_source=twitter&ns_mchannel=reseaux_sociaux&ns_fee=0&ns_linkname=livefeed

Watching on Al Jaz on tv, the above on the computer.

Some media reporting 60+ dead.

I have texted my kids and Mr. C to say I love them, do it now to your nearest and dearest. And feel lucky. Because some won't be able to do that after tonight.

I'm logging off as too upset.

Love n Peace people xxx

Cass wrote:Some media reporting 60+ dead.

I have texted my kids and Mr. C to say I love them, do it now to your nearest and dearest. And feel lucky. Because some won't be able to do that after tonight.

I'm logging off as too upset.

Love n Peace people xxx

Night Cass, reciprocated.

Reports from inside Bataclan concert hall where around 100 hostages, of gunmen "calmly" firing at hostages, shooting them one by one.

france closes borders

state of emegency declared
miltary mobilised and deployed around paris

twitter

Facebook post from injured person still inside Paris concert hall La Bataclan: “They slaughtered everyone, one by one.”

6 attacks
40 dead
60 critically injured
ongoiong hostage situation

several metro lines closed

Cambonian restaurant, heavy metal rock concert, football stadium and reports near the Louvre.

Taxi drivers taking people home for free.

7 different locations.

yes.......


i am having trouble keeping my gob firmly zipped.......

i am waiting till the analysis starts.....

assault on concert hall hostage situation in progress

this is simply unacceptable

two hostage holders killed at the bataclan music hall

awaiting death toll of hostages

around 100 dead in bataclan theatre

Around 100 dead in concert hall

A Paris city official has revised the death toll at the Bataclan concert theatre up to 118, and in the other five co-ordinated attacks around the city it is thought an extra 60 people are thought to have been killed. There are also continuous reports that known jhadist supporters on social media are celebrating the attacks and speculating on those responsible.

Lord Foul wrote:state of emegency declared
miltary mobilised and deployed around paris

That's exactly what should happen. This is horrible.

David is safe thank goodness

Yes David is fine x

Too depressed to listen to any more, going to bed.

eddie wrote:Yes David is fine x

So glad to know.

eddie wrote:Yes David is fine x

So glad to know.

153.

May they rest in peace

Completely disgusted.

What is imperitive now, is that little is said to the media, what implimentations the west will do. the terror attacks, have some major aims, to obtain maximum casulaties and instill terror, that then a country will then play into the hands of the terrorists by implimenting draconian measures. I really do think that in order to defeat a well organised terrorist group like ISIS or others affilliated with Syria, is to starve them or information and do the opposite of what they expect. They want France to go over board and close its borders, which should only be a temp measure for a couple of weeks. We all need to mourn the loss of innocent people and then be back to buisness as usual.

We must not allow these groups to believe they are getting to us. We muust not allow them to believe they can close down a nation, through the coordinated terrorists attacks, or more will continue to follow. What is needed is in the backgroun,  France, the EU, the US, Middle Eastern allies, have to pool their resources and arrest, deport, imprison, those with any connections to any of these terrorist groups. They certainly have the know how to know many of the players and we now have to get tough and place the safety of the civillians of Europe and the world as a priority. No more silly rules that a person has a human right to remain if they are part or have funded terrorism.

There should introduce a clause which denies this based off any association to terrorist organisations. The Muslim community also has to play their part to expose those who back the terrorism. Its time to start getting tough here where people need to unite against those who wish to create havoc within our lives. Of those who want to live under an extremism version of Islam, which justifies murder, terrorism etc, then their views will conflict with the laws of every EU nation. This may seem harsh, but enough is enough. Not only this, when we remove those who wish to live under such extremism, then also Muslims that do not follow such extremism, can also find some normality return to their lives, as they sadly sugger the worst indignities through association. I should clarify, I am only speaking in regards to the extremist form of Islam followed by the many terrorist organisatioins.

Any goups Political or religious, that justifes and promotes murder, suicide bombings etc targeting civillians, should be reclassified or classify them as terrorists. As they fundementally are terrorists, because to openly target civillian life in a conflict is a war crime. Thus zero tolerance to anyone that holds such views, they will be rightly classified terrorists as a group and barred from remaining within the EU. We need to stop allowing such hateful views that teach an applling hate, that places no value of human lifes. I fail to understand why this does not already happen to any group that backs the view to target civillians.

Its time to get tough. Wars are not won by playing by the rules. Just ask anyone who has been in combat, and they will tell you all rules go out of the window. The rules of engagement has to change when combating terrorism and extremism, because the enemy does not abide by any of these rules and it places the allies at a constant disavantage. Even more so with the media, who need to understand, that these conflicts are different from conventional wars and call for throwing the rule book out of the window. We used many methods that went against the rules of engagment in WW2  and we have to do so again if we are ever going to be able to contain or destroy these extremist groups. We should not be having one hand tied behind our backs and the media with access to play off moral and ethical views, which only helps the extremists.

The extremists are not bound by thesw codes of ethic and have zero value on human life. Just as the Nazis were not bound by codes of ethics. which back then did not stop the Allies trumping these extremes by at times ignoring the rules of engagement by using terror methods themselves. The Media need to carry on as normal but play down any outrages and basically render Islamic terrorism as near to insignificant as possible. Starve them off their platform and biggest propganda weapon. now i am a big defender of free speech, but the means by which by which we are going to fight these terrorists has to be kept from the media.

The media today is constantly fueling these problems by the many unsubstanciated articles written.We have to starve the extremists and terrorists of any form of attention and render them insginificatant at face value, but exhaust countless resources behind the scenes in order to defeat them. Any islamic extremism through the web has to be blocked. anyone teaching such derivisive views, should be arrested for inciting violence and terrorism, as there is no doubt that what is taught is hate speech.

Priority now is to form an alliance with those we would usual view of associate as an enemy, Russia and Assad. Assad needs to be brought for war crimes, of that there is no doubt, but the main goal now should be pooling all resources to work together to defeat Islamic extremism and terrorism. We just cannot keep ignoring this or with others make poor excuses and claims to what the west has done. It again plays into the hands of the terrorists and extremists. A united voice needs to be louder or more powerful, which made up of countless nationalities and religions, with prominent Muslims scholares and religious teachers now given a daily platform to denounce this extremism.

They need to get over any views that may have of blame with the west and put aside their differences, by placing the main goal, of eradicating or at least vastly diminishing containing the reach and capabilities of Islamic extremism. If any Arabs within the Arab states or any country really. Are known to have funded any of the terrorist groups. Santions need to be imposed on the individuals involved. Harsh santions, that basically bankrupt them. By doing this to the individuals who are mainly rich and funding terrorism and freezing their assessts. You show to them the consequences of their actions, where they aid terrorism and extremism. that they are not allowed entry to many countries. That it does not matter what country they are in, that the allies through the UN are able to impliment a zero tolerance to those aiding terrorism and extremism.

Enough is enouigh and I am sorry for going on, with such a tragic event that has only just occured, but this needs to be said and action is required now. No more poor excuses attempting to dfend groups that back the murder of civillians through terrorism like shootings and suicide bombings. Anyone who glorifies such terrorism, should now be also deemed as terrorists. We need to have a united policy which has zero tolerance for individuals or groups, political parties etc who back such hate and extremism. They either change their views openly and join the rest of us, rightly denouncing such terrorism, or they become and be seen as one with the terrorists. Like I say, no more excuses and blaming the west until this is all over will achieve nothing, but further aid these terrorists.

Many now recognise these mistakes made and have condemned them, that does not give these terrorists groups any justification for their actions. Because how on earth can you justify wrongs done in two countries, when many of those committing the terrorism, have no ethnic descendcency or connection to these conflicts or the people involved. There is only one connection, the religion itself, with a view of claiming wrongs done to Muslims and Islam itself.

Even worse you do not even see anything near parity with a view promoted based on blaming the only connection that has allowed people unconnected with anything else to carry out attrocities to otthers. The religion again. This can easily be resolved by showing it is the extrenmists wrong thinking they are Muslims and brotehrs and sisters, but where is the countless Muslims championing this? You do not see countless blame centred at certain religious ideologies like Wahhabism, the major doctrine of the major Islamic terrorist groups.

You do not see the same brotherhood of sisterhood and see countless Muslims take up the same fight and call to combat these terrorists and extremis. What should be seen to them as completely the cause of abusing the faith of islam and why there has been a rise in discrmination based off how there is very few vocies laying the fundemental blame at the dorr of those who abuse islam through beliefs like Wahhabism.This is what needs to be champion by Muslims to deny the extremists anything associated to islam and lay blame to those who have caused this hate themselves through corrupting the faith itself Show and teach that a true follow does not activelly seek or promote violence but always reach out for peace.

You just do not need see promoted, as its far easier to just blame the west, as if they did start blaming groups as being responsible, you migh start seeing many Muslims rallying up to fight against ISIS and co. hence why now many Muslims have to swallow some pride and stop being vocal blaming the west until this rising issue is contained. What needs to be the main target of blame, is many extremist groups, that those who join such extremism are not brothers and sisters and that there is no justification, no matter the cause to murder civillians.

The extremists groups need to be denied the one uniting trump card they have to nulify many Muslims into inaction, blaming the west and also claiming it is out to destroy Islam. Muslims themselves need to now deny the extremist groups these claims and instead lay blame onto the extremist groups themselves. A very united vocal Muslim voice around the word, denying all those that support such views as in complete conflict with the teachings of the Quran. This is imperitive that the centre of blame from the Muslim side needs to be targeted at the extremists and terrorists themselves, denying them fundementally brotherhood and sisterhood status. as longs as Muslims centre the problems on the west as the extremists do, then tehwy ill only continue to aid and not combat those who are abusing the faith of islam.

What is very much needed now is for many Muslims. Is to be able to save their religion from being permenantly associated with these groups and actually consentially cut off any association the terrorists have to islam. A united voice that condems violence, hate, glorification, and justification of terror acts against both Muslims and Non-Muslims. That they deny the extremists and terrorists a platform of association with islam itself. Denying them the one fundemental aspect that they are able to use to unite Muslims to their cause. Make them be seen as only to blame in the Muslim world. make it very wrong to with many important Muslim political fuigures denouncing those who murder and denying them any Martydom status. They need to be classified for what they are, criminals, who force their views onto everyone within their sphere of influence. Muslims now have to disassociate themselves from and denounce any form of hate speech.

Once this is achieved, the terrorist groups will have lost Islamic and Muslim status and will be ostracized and isolated. Hence why the biggest task ahead and challenge will need to come from Muslims themselves. As longs as many continue to in some form associate through justifying hate and violence, then Islam will continue to face an uphill struggle. With many non-extremist Muslims suffering further discrmination and all because of something so simple they could all do together, disassociate from the hateful views that promote and justify the extremists to have zero regard for human life . I am not excusing any discrmination against Muslims, far from it and condemn stronly any, but whillst the association exists of islam to the terrorist groups and extremists



My heart goes out to all the victims and their families and all the people of France

May they  R.I.P

I've only just seen this, terrible

Dreadful.

The pussyfooting must stop.

Send 'Little Boy' and or 'Fat Man'.

Eilzel wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:state of emegency declared
miltary mobilised and deployed around paris

That's exactly what should happen.This is horrible.

No, it's exactly what shouldn't happen, as it is a response to an attack that should never have happened... but for the madness of the leftie/EU thinking that has allowed so many dangerous people into Europe and freely allowed to travel across once they have got In.

I haven't seen much about this yet. I was out last night when it all kicked off, and I only read about it this morning. Sounds like a right mess.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

That's exactly what should happen.This is horrible.

No, it's exactly what shouldn't happen, as it is a response to an attack that should never have happened... but for the madness of the leftie/EU thinking that has allowed so many dangerous people into Europe and freely allowed to travel across once they have got In.

so many dangerous people ? we are talking about a small a very small few given the about of people "let in"
No system is perfect and will never be not until we can read minds

Where next then? The UK, Russia, the US?

It's strange how France seems to get more of this kind of thing than anywhere else at the moment.

I daresay details will emerge about the backgrounds of these terrorists, and whether or not they were French citizens.

If it's discovered that any of these terrorists were known to the authorities, I don't know what will be said. After the attacks in Paris earlier this year, I would have thought they were keeping an eye on all other known trouble makers.

be brave...dont show fear, carry on as normal


well didge I suppose that makes those poor dead folks "hero's then does it

PAH

Raggamuffin wrote:If it's discovered that any of these terrorists were known to the authorities, I don't know what will be said. After the attacks in Paris earlier this year, I would have thought they were keeping an eye on all other known trouble makers.

That's my thought to. At this point, I'd say any suspected terrorist should be detained and assumed guilty until proven innocent.

Eilzel wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:If it's discovered that any of these terrorists were known to the authorities, I don't know what will be said. After the attacks in Paris earlier this year, I would have thought they were keeping an eye on all other known trouble makers.

That's my thought to. At this point, I'd say any suspected terrorist should be detained and assumed guilty until proven innocent.

the yanks tried that with Guantanamo bay that did not work just gave terrorists something to point to.

korban dallas wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

That's my thought to. At this point, I'd say any suspected terrorist should be detained and assumed guilty until proven innocent.

the yanks tried that with Guantanamo bay that did not work just gave terrorists something to point to.

I didn't say we should torture them.

Most well rounded and thought out analysis I have seen so far.