Israel creating conditions for another "Defensive Shield"

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“The Palestinian people, like all peoples of conscience and moral responsibility, condemn the use of violence against innocent civilians. However, Palestine, under Israel’s belligerent occupation, has been subject to the systematic and escalating violence of the occupation, whether in the form of settler-terrorism or at the hands of the Israeli military using live ammunition. Recently Palestine has witnessed an alarming and deliberate escalation by Israel, particularly against Al-Aqsa Mosque and Jerusalem’s Old City, while settlers on the rampage enjoy the protection of occupation forces and the political backing of the Israeli government.
 
This year alone, the Israeli Occupation Forces have attacked thousands of Palestinian civilians, and carried out over 3,000 raids on Palestinian cities and villages. Additionally, the Israeli forces murdered over 30 Palestinians and imprisoned over 3,500 others. This does not include settler violence against the Palestinian civilian population which amounted to more than 11,000 attacks in the last 10 years.
 
The Palestinian leadership has warned the international community for decades that Israel’s culture of impunity is destroying any prospects of peace and has created an unsustainable situation of instability, racism and violence.
 
The root cause of violence in the Middle East is the continued injustice inflicted on the Palestinian people and the persistent impunity of the Israeli occupation. Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing extremist government continues to deny Palestinian rights and incite violence, clearly indicating that ending this system of occupation and apartheid is not an option.
 
Netanyahu is under the delusion that he can convince his own people and the international community that he can “manage the situation.” This is not only morally deplorable; it is also politically irresponsible and effectively unsustainable. Never has a people under foreign occupation accepted the systematic violation of their rights and freedoms.   
 
The collective punishment that the Palestinian people have suffered over the past 48 hours, including Israeli settler and military attacks against civilians, proves that the Israeli government is deliberately creating a situation of violence and instability that threatens to spiral out of control. This government is thereby attempting to create the conditions for a new “Defensive Shield” operation similar to that of 2002 in which the Israeli Army carried out the senseless destruction of Palestinian lives, infrastructure and institutions.  That operation was launched with steps similar to those being adopted now, including the sealing of Occupied Jerusalem and the fragmentation of the rest of Palestine with hundreds of checkpoints, while giving free reign to the settlers to continue their attacks.
 
It is time for the international community to undertake its responsibility and to engage positively to put an end to this lethal situation.  Palestine has already asked for international protection in accordance with several legal and precedential options available to the United Nations. The heightened urgency is evidenced by the intensification and escalation of violence and extremism threatening to engulf not just Palestine and Israel but the whole region as wel .”

http://dci.plo.ps/EN/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3800:october-4-2015-dr-ashrawi-on-the-current-situation&catid=92:news&Itemid=420


The Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, commonly referred to as the Fourth Geneva Convention and abbreviated as GCIV, is one of the four treaties of the Geneva Conventions. It was adopted in August 1949, and defines humanitarian protections for civilians in a war zone. There are currently 196 countries party to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, including this and the other three treaties.^[1]
In 1993, the United Nations Security Council adopted a report from the Secretary-General and a Commission of Experts which concluded that the Geneva Conventions had passed into the body of customary international law, thus making them binding on non-signatories to the Conventions whenever they engage in armed conflicts.^[2]

Section I. Provisions common to the territories of the parties to the conflict and to occupied territories

Article 32. A protected person/s shall not have anything done to them of such a character as to cause physical suffering or extermination ... the physical suffering or extermination of protected persons in their hands. This prohibition applies not only to murder, torture, corporal punishments, mutilation and medical or scientific experiments not necessitated by the medical treatment. While popular debate remains on what constitutes a legal definition of torture (see discussion on the Torture page), the ban on corporal punishment simplifies the matter; even the most mundane physical abuse is thereby forbidden by Article 32, as a precaution against alternate definitions of torture.
The prohibition on scientific experiments was added, in part, in response to experiments by German and Japanese doctors during World War II, of whom Josef Mengele was the most infamous.

Collective punishments

Article 33. No persons may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
Pillage is prohibited.
Reprisals against persons and their property are prohibited.

Under the 1949 Geneva Conventions, collective punishment is a war crime. By collective punishment, the drafters of the Geneva Conventions had in mind the reprisal killings of World War I and World War II. In the First World War, the Germans executed Belgian villagers in mass retribution for resistance activity during the Rape of Belgium. In World War II, both the Germans and the Japanese carried out a form of collective punishment to suppress resistance. Entire villages or towns or districts were held responsible for any resistance activity that occurred in them.^[3] The conventions, to counter this, reiterated the principle of individual responsibility. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Commentary to the conventions states that parties to a conflict often would resort to "intimidatory measures to terrorize the population" in hopes of preventing hostile acts, but such practices "strike at guilty and innocent alike. They are opposed to all principles based on humanity and justice."
Additional Protocol II of 1977 explicitly forbids collective punishment

eddie wrote:

sassy wrote:

Not having a row with you Eddie, but

1.  Spamming is repeating the same post over and over or posting stuff that is not about the thread, it is not giving information that refers to the thread title.

2.  The link rule is to protect the forum from copywrite laws if you are posting from a publication, it does not refer to information given to you in a private capacity that you chose to share

In view of both, am referring this to Ben, because you have been manipulated.

Fair enough sassy.

I wasn't aware the pics were sent in a private capacity, my bad for not reading every post.
Apologies to all.

And I did state that no spamming had occurred.

I'm more than happy for you to pass this to Ben. No worries.

If pics are sent privately, the person posting them should say so, and should also explain what they are supposed to depict - IMO.

To be fair sassy, I actually don't.

Anyway it's all fine now

sassy wrote:But then you're a sub human SOB that hasn't got the balls to keep his word aren't you?   And an immigrant that complains about immigration as well, so who the hell would ever take you seriously LOL

i never gave you my word sassy

you challanged me to a bet

i declined because as predicted, you patted yourself on the back and did a didge and delcared yourself the victor, now youre claiming I lost a bet I never even made.

secondly as an immigrant, I have a working knowledge and personal experience of being an immigrant,which makes me more qualified to complain about immigration than you

P.S the elected home secretary and myself happen to be in agreement on immigration, you seem to be the one who is not being taken seriously

Nope, you laid out a bet, I took it, I won, you renaged.  No class Smelly, no class.

sassy wrote:Nope, you laid out a bet, I took it, I won, you renaged.  No class Smelly, no class.

jesus you can talk shit

i laid out no such bet, YOU were the one who offered to take me up on some bet.

this is not a good combination sassy, youre making a fool of yourself, especially since its on the forum for all to see.

i took the piss, not the bet

smelly-bandit wrote:

sassy wrote:Nope, you laid out a bet, I took it, I won, you renaged.  No class Smelly, no class.

jesus you can talk shit

i laid out no such bet, YOU were the one who offered to take me up on some bet.  

this is not a good combination sassy, youre making a fool of yourself, especially since its on the forum for all to see.

i took the piss, not the bet    

Your words: who wants to bet that in the coming weeks islam will be found to have some kind of connection??

any takers???

I took you up on it, I won, you renaged.  Face it Smelly, you have no class and no balls.

Ain't me who looks the fool.

Don't go making bets you have no intention of keeping, it kinda undermines you.

Lol nothing more funnier to opposing extremists, of which both chelp incite more hatred between them in the ongoing issues of Palestine and Israel and continue to fuel the conflict.
When will they both learn.

Sadly never it seems.
Each fuels the others hate and then spreads this hate to others.


Have a good evening.

Was that the wind?  Oh no, just a little fart.

Israel testing it's weapons development on Palestinians again:

New type of explosive bullets used against Palestinian protesters in Ramallah by Zionist occupation forces, 6 October 2015.
Pic of Palestinian citizen shot today using this type of bullets near Ramallah

sassy wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

jesus you can talk shit

i laid out no such bet, YOU were the one who offered to take me up on some bet.  

this is not a good combination sassy, youre making a fool of yourself, especially since its on the forum for all to see.

i took the piss, not the bet    

Your words: who wants to bet that in the coming weeks islam will be found to have some kind of connection??

any takers???

I took you up on it, I won, you renaged.  Face it Smelly, you have no class and no balls.

Ain't me who looks the fool.

Don't go making bets you have no intention of keeping, it kinda undermines you.

Oh THAT bet

Should have said so,you need to be more specific in the world of betting sassy

I thought you were on about something I said to quill you dopey old hag

Wiggle, wiggle, only bet you made smelly one.  Boy you look a coward.

Wrong dear sassy

I made a challenge to quill (or was it Ben) about Muslims being motivated to kill by Islam ,to which you said

"I'll take you up on that"

Hence I've been waiting for YOU to prove that Muslims are NOT killing for Islam

Specifics sassy ,you don't just go into a bookies and say "I'll take that bet" with a sweeping gesture at one of the screens

Yet more wiggling.  Bless you smelly, you ain't half squirming.  You made it to no one in particular, hence your wording:

who wants to bet that in the coming weeks islam will be found to have some kind of connection??

any takers??

And it was specific to the boy who shot the up the school.

I remember the bet sassy

I also remember you taking up the offer some time after it was made and as the conversation had moved on

I cannot help it if you can't be specific.you should have quoted my post

Like I said you don't just go into a bookies and say "I'll take that bet" with a sweeping gesture at one of the screens

Who knows what you were on about anyway, I obviously didn't and that is your fault

sassy wrote:Israel testing it's weapons development on Palestinians again:

New type of explosive bullets used against Palestinian protesters in Ramallah by Zionist occupation forces, 6 October 2015.
Pic of Palestinian citizen shot today using this type of bullets near Ramallah

And sassy wonders why nobody takes her seriously
Expolosive bullets? PMSL

Lets see the damage done to other people with rubber bullets:





http://chtnewsupdate.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/an-indigenous-woman-seriously-injured.html

Do stop smelly, you'll give yourself a headache

Cuchulain wrote:Lol nothing more funnier to opposing extremists, of which both chelp incite more hatred between them in the ongoing issues of Palestine and Israel and continue to fuel the conflict.
When will they both learn.

Sadly never it seems.
Each fuels the others hate and then spreads this hate to others.


Have a good evening.

That has got to be the funniest post I have sen on this site in a long time. Didge attempting to re-invent himself as a peace activist in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as is nothing short of ridiculous.

Do I have to remind you of all the peace organisations and human rights groups that you have continualy attempted to discredit as liars and nothing more that a bunch of lefties?

The number of times you have said that the Palestinians have been offered their own sovereign lands which was nothing short of lies.

Or how about the time you shamefully claimed that the Israeli's sitting eating popcorn and cheering as missiles rained down on Gaza was pure lies even though you were shown several independent reports that it was true. That's when I realised that you were a fake with this middle of the road approach. You are more like Smelly on this issue and you are not fooling me mate.

Your Thomas Wictor contributions were a classic though

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Lol nothing more funnier to opposing extremists, of which both chelp incite more hatred between them in the ongoing issues of Palestine and Israel and continue to fuel the conflict.
When will they both learn.

Sadly never it seems.
Each fuels the others hate and then spreads this hate to others.


Have a good evening.

That has got to be the funniest post I have sen on this site in a long time. Didge attempting to re-invent himself as a peace activist in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as is nothing short of ridiculous.
Nothing funny about people dying but then I expect nothing less than the other left wing extremist who has also openly backed Hamas, who praised the murders recently of Israeli's and yet he still has the audacity to still fail to condemn not only hamas but these murders.  Most rational people do want peace and at every turn I have advocated for both the authorities in both Palestine and Israel to recognise each others existance. Though again we see the BDS tactica of doing anything to deflect away from their support of terrorist groups.

Do I have to remind you of all the peace organisations and human rights groups that you have continualy attempted to discredit as liars and nothing more that a bunch of lefties?
Have I? Yet another fabrication. What I have rightly done is show groups like Amnesty International have a bias which has been even admited by some of its people against Israel. That is not being against a group, but wishing to rectify where clearly there is some activists within that group who clearly have no wish for peace when they have been caught out not being balance in their findings. So again we see a clear indication of yet against the extreme leftiest making up lies to further his extremist agenda
Anyway is Irn really saying if that you are critical of a charity like Amnesty, this makes you then against peace?
PMSL, it really sums up the lack of intellect some of the extreme left have.
 
ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amnesty_International




The number of times you have said that the Palestinians have been offered their own sovereign lands which was nothing short of lies.
Really lets show again how irn does not know history and clearly is a revisionist, which I shall once again post below

Or how about the time you shamefully claimed that the Israeli's sitting eating popcorn and cheering as missiles rained down on Gaza was pure lies even though you were shown several independent reports that it was true. That's when I realised that you were a fake with this middle of the road approach. You are more like Smelly on this issue and you are not fooling me mate.
Even the reporter who did report on this said how it had been wrongly reported but you forgot about that little eggshelll did you not Irn? You see nothing on the actual conflict but you constant flattery of me Irn, seriously bud, your whole time on this forum is you trying to play kiss chase with me and to measure dicks, but lets face it Irn I am willing to concede that you are the biggest dick going on this forum on a par with stassi and smelly. 3 extremists moulding from the same hatred of others. It shows Irn by lying again is no supporter of peace because he denies history where the Palestinians could have had statehood, bless him, being the biggest dick going does has its downfalls. 

Your Thomas Wictor contributions were a classic though

Palestinians Rejected Statehood Three Times, Claim Frustration -- with Israel

Palestinian spokesmen from PLO leader Mahmoud Abbas on down have expressed their frustration with the Oslo peace process, charging that it failed and is dead, thanks to alleged Israeli intransigence, and that therefore they have no choice but to go to the United Nations to seek full membership and therefore statehood.   It should be noted at the outset that for the Palestinians to unilaterally declare statehood, or even to take the issue to the United Nations, would be a grave violation of the PLO's signed agreements with Israel, which explicitly barred such unilateral actions and appeals to outside parties. All of these agreements were also witnessed by outside parties including the United States, Russia, Norway, the EU, etc. If any of these countries now go along with material violations of agreements that they witnessed, that would raise serious questions about the worth of such agreements and the worth of such witnessing.   As for Palestinian frustration, they may indeed be frustrated with more than 18 years of on-again, off-again negotiations, but the question is with whom should they be frustrated – Israel, or their own leaders? For the fact is, just as the legendary Israeli diplomat Abba Eban once said about relations between the Arabs and Israel, "The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity," and there have been many statehood opportunities that Palestinian leaders have wilfully missed.   Why do the Palestinians refuse a negotiated peace? Because a negotiated peace means the end of the conflict, or at least promising to end the conflict and accept Israel. But the Palestinian leadership wants a state so that they can continue the conflict from a stronger position. In particular, they want a state and they want to keep pressing in every way for the "right of return" to Israel.   Israel would not agree to that in negotiations, which is why Palestinians want a state without negotiations, and without having to make any compromises. In accord with this, at least three times the Palestinians have refused statehood when it was offered to them, most recently just a few years ago. Here are the details: 1. In 2008, after extensive talks, then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert met with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and presented a comprehensive peace plan. Olmert's plan would have annexed the major Israeli settlements to Israel and in return given equivalent Israeli territory to the Palestinians, and would have divided Jerusalem. Numerous settlements including Ofra, Elon Moreh, Beit El and Kiryat Arba would have been evacuated, and Hebron would have been abandoned. Tens of thousands of settlers would have been uprooted. Olmert even says preliminary agreement had been reached with Abbas on refugees and the Palestinian claim to a "right of return." Olmert recounted much of this in an interview with Greg Sheridan in the Australian newspaper: From the end of 2006 until the end of 2008 I think I met with Abu Mazen more often than any Israeli leader has ever met any Arab leader. I met him more than 35 times. They were intense, serious negotiations. On the 16th of September, 2008, I presented him (Abbas) with a comprehensive plan. It was based on the following principles. One, there would be a territorial solution to the conflict on the basis of the 1967 borders with minor modifications on both sides. Israel will claim part of the West Bank where there have been demographic changes over the last 40 years... And four, there were security issues. [Olmert says he showed Abbas a map, which embodied all these plans. Abbas wanted to take the map away. Olmert agreed, so long as they both signed the map. It was, from Olmert's point of view, a final offer, not a basis for future negotiation. But Abbas could not commit. Instead, he said he would come with experts the next day.] He (Abbas) promised me the next day his adviser would come. But the next day Saeb Erekat rang my adviser and said we forgot we are going to Amman today, let's make it next week. I never saw him again. (Nov. 28, 2009) And this is not just a self-serving claim by Olmert – Abbas, in an interview with Jackson Diehl of the Washington Post, confirmed the outlines of the Olmert offer and that he turned it down: In our meeting Wednesday, Abbas acknowledged that Olmert had shown him a map proposing a Palestinian state on 97 percent of the West Bank -- though he complained that the Israeli leader refused to give him a copy of the plan. He confirmed that Olmert "accepted the principle" of the "right of return" of Palestinian refugees -- something no previous Israeli prime minister had done -- and offered to resettle thousands in Israel. In all, Olmert's peace offer was more generous to the Palestinians than either that of Bush or Bill Clinton; it's almost impossible to imagine Obama, or any Israeli government, going further. Abbas turned it down. "The gaps were wide," he said. (May 29, 2009) Ha'aretz published Olmert's map, showing a Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza with a free passage route to connect them. The map, which also showed the Israeli territory that would have been swapped with the Palestinians in return for annexing some Israeli settlements to Israel, is reproduced below:   2. In the summer of 2000 US President Bill Clinton hosted intense peace talks at Camp David between Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat and Israeli leader Ehud Barak, culminating in a comprehensive peace plan known as the Clinton Parameters, which was similar to the later Olmert Plan, though not quite as extensive. Despite the vast concessions the plan required of Israel, Prime Minister Barak accepted President Clinton's proposal, while Arafat refused, returned home, and launched a new terror campaign against Israeli civilians (the Second Intifada). Despite the violence, Prime Minister Barak continued to negotiate to the end of his term, culminating in an Israeli proposal at Taba which extended the Clinton proposal. Barak offered the Palestinians all of Gaza and most of the West Bank, no Israeli control over the border with Jordan or the adjacent Jordan Valley, a small Israeli annexation around three settlement blocs balanced by an equivalent area of Israeli territory that would have been ceded to the Palestinians. As chief US negotiator Ambassador Dennis Ross put it in a FoxNews interview: ... the Palestinians would have in the West Bank an area that was contiguous. Those who say there were cantons, completely untrue. It was contiguous... And to connect Gaza with the West Bank, there would have been an elevated highway, an elevated railroad, to ensure that there would be not just safe passage for the Palestinians, but free passage. (Fox News, April 21, 2002) According to Ambassador Ross, Palestinian negotiators working for Arafat wanted him to accept the Clinton Parameters, but he refused. In response to Brit Hume’s question as to why Arafat turned these deals down, Ross said: Because fundamentally I do not believe he can end the conflict. We had one critical clause in this agreement, and that clause was, this is the end of the conflict. Arafat's whole life has been governed by struggle and a cause. Everything he has done as leader of the Palestinians is to always leave his options open, never close a door. He was being asked here, you've got to close the door. For him to end the conflict is to end himself. Here's the Taba map proposed by Israel, which was once again turned down by Arafat: 3. UN Resolution 181, the Partition Resolution, passed in November 1947, called for the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in the land which at that point was controlled by the British-run Palestine Mandate. All the Arab countries opposed the resolution, voted against it, and promised to go to war to prevent its implementation. Representing the Palestinians, the Arab Higher Committee also opposed the plan and threatened war, while the Jewish Agency, representing the Jewish inhabitants of the Palestine Mandate, supported the plan. The Arabs and the Palestinians were true to their word and did launch a war against the Jews of Palestine, violating both Resolution 181 and the UN Charter. Much to the surprise of the Arab side, the Jews were able to survive the initial onslaughts and eventually win the war. The fundamental fact remains that had the Arabs and the Palestinians accepted the Partition Resolution and not violated the UN Charter by attacking Israel, there would be a 63-year-old Palestinian state today next to Israel, and there would not have been a single Palestinian refugee. Just as today, it seems that even in 1948 the Arab side was more concerned with opposing and attacking the Jewish state than with creating a Palestinian state. Besides the above statehood opportunities, there were other notable opportunities that were missed too, such as the 1978 Camp David Accords between Israel and Egypt, which provided for Palestinian autonomy in the territories of the West Bank and Gaza. Egyptian President Anwar Sadat begged the PLO and Yasir Arafat to accept what he had negotiated with Israel, and to engage in talks with Israel. President Carter also called on moderate Palestinians to come forward and join the Cairo conference. Unfortunately Arafat refused and did everything he could to undermine Sadat and the Camp David Accords, with PLO gunmen even murdering West Bank Palestinians who supported Sadat's approach.   While the Palestinian people have much to be frustrated about, the object of their frustration should be not Israel, but their own leaders, who have thrown away opportunity after opportunity to establish the Palestinian state they claim to desire above all else.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=83&x_article=2116




As you see the BDS tactic is deligitimizing is all they have in their arsenal which always comes up short, and even here Irn does not call for calm and peace his only intent is to further prove he only comes here to act immature and proves his everytime.
Poor wee lad.
Anyway does Irn still back the Political policies of Hamas which is to wipe out Israel?
Does he now hold his head in shame that he backed them, where again they praised the murder of innocent civillians?
What is even worse here is how he thinks its wrong of me to call for peace and calm.
I certainly back the defensive measures that Israel takes when attacked by Hamas, which is backed up by countless militeray experts, but then Irn ignores all these facts and just makes feeble excuses. I condemn both the IDF when they commit wrongs like with Operation Hannibal which was a war crime and am critical of the settlement programs and also of Netanyahu and his political parties. I have countless times stated Israel needs a Liberal goverment to bring about peace just as both Fatah and Hamas need to go if there is any chance to have peace. This is because at every turn both these groups have no wish to recognise the existance of Israel. As seen they could tomorrow both renounce any view to commit violence and recognise Israel, where they would have the world back them and place Israel into having to recognise their statehood. At every turn poor wee Irn, neglects that it is because of the Arab nations not excepting the existance of Israel and their continued stance to not accept Israel as a nation that has continued this conflict. How many thousands would now be alive today if not for the agressions of the Palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians and Egyptians in attacking israel since its creation? The whol cause to this conflict is some Arab nations not accepting Israel's right to exist. Now how many nations have been from where they were a minority in a land to a majority nation? Countless in the last 100 years and yet this one nation Israel today that still has Arab nations refuse to accept its right to exist. This is why Palestinian refugees are kept in limbo and used as pawns by the PLO and Hamas.

Oh well again it seems Irn is more concerned about me than actually calling for peace and calm himself but being as he is Stassi's lapdog, woof woof woof, he gets so wound up he jumps on an shows himself up badly.

Bless him

Your right Didge there is nothing funnier than people dying which is why you shouldn’t have used that term in your opening remark in the post I replied to. You walked straight into that but of course you are a gift that just keeps on goving.

I back political Hamas and every other organisation in seeking talks and a settlement that will bring peace something that Netanyahu has continually refused to do. I have condemned the killing of all innocent men women and children whether its committed by the Hamas military wing or the IDF and the illegal settlers. I’ve told you that before so stop lying. Just keep citing pro-Israeli organisations that have been discredited time and time again because that’s where most of your stuff comes from anyway.

Yes, you have attempted to discredit almost all human rights organisations who publish anything that condemns Israel for its actions. Amnesty International,  Jews for Justice. UN human rights reports, Yesh Din, and countless Israeli bloggers and commentators who see what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank and comment on it the latest one being  Amira Hass on another thread.  Just a few weeks ago you were claiming there was no occupation all based on total nonsense. And you are at it again I see. You are just like the Zionists who want total capitulation of the Palestinians to live under their rule. That’s your view of peace.

There has never been an offer of a total sovereign state for Palestine and it’s a myth to suggest that there was. What was on offer is statehood in the sense that the Palestinian’s can run their own affairs in a civil state not a state with full sovereign control  as recognised by the United Nations and no right of return for Palestinian’s forcibly evicted from their homes. . Nothing has changed other than even that offer is off the table as Israel keeps building more settlements every single day.. Go and read up on it instead of pumping out all that stuff from the pro-Israeli Camera organisation who have been rumbled in the past for distorting history or better still make it easy on yourself and just ask me.
 

Camera...

https://electronicintifada.net/content/ei-exclusive-pro-israel-groups-plan-rewrite-history-wikipedia/7472

The reporter never said that the cheering on the hillside had been wrongly reported so stop lying. You shamefully claimed it was all lies even though you were shown evidence from several organisations together with a video and pictures yet you still claimed it was lies. You doing that was as good as cheering yourself which wouldn’t have surprised me one little bit. That's when I realised that you were never even handed and an out and out chancer.

You really can’t hide it anymore so just man up that you are right in there with the Likud Party and the ultimate aim of the creation of the greater Israel all at the expense of the Palestinian people.   You don’t care and you should be ashamed of yourself for no other reason than you have more faces than the Big Ben clock tower lol.

Israelis sit on a hill to watch air strikes on Gaza, some bring drinks and snacks as they cheer the explosions a few miles away. Photograph: gath/UPI/Landov/Barcroft Media

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

sassy wrote:

 
Israelis sit on a hill to watch air strikes on Gaza, some bring drinks and snacks as they cheer the explosions a few miles away. Photograph: gath/UPI/Landov/Barcroft Media

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

Watching airstrikes is a very entertaining show sassy

Irn Bru wrote:Your right Didge there is nothing funnier than people dying which is why you shouldn’t have used that term in your opening remark in the post I replied to. You walked straight into that but of course you are a gift that just keeps on goving.
I can use what I like, you were the one that made fun of people dying which just furthers backs my point you champion Hamas to wipe out the
I back political Hamas and every other organisation in seeking talks and a settlement that will bring peace something that Netanyahu has continually refused to do. I have condemned the killing of all innocent men women and children whether its committed by the Hamas military wing or the IDF and the illegal settlers. I’ve told you that before so stop lying. Just keep citing pro-Israeli organisations that have been discredited time and time again because that’s where most of your stuff comes from anyway.

Yes, you have attempted to discredit almost all human rights organisations who publish anything that condemns Israel for its actions. Amnesty International,  Jews for Justice. UN human rights reports, Yesh Din, and countless Israeli bloggers and commentators who see what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank and comment on it the latest one being  Amira Hass on another thread.  Just a few weeks ago you were claiming there was no occupation all based on total nonsense. And you are at it again I see. You are just like the Zionists who want total capitulation of the Palestinians to live under their rule. That’s your view of peace.

There has never been an offer of a total sovereign state for Palestine and it’s a myth to suggest that there was. What was on offer is statehood in the sense that the Palestinian’s can run their own affairs in a civil state not a state with full sovereign control  as recognised by the United Nations and no right of return for Palestinian’s forcibly evicted from their homes. . Nothing has changed other than even that offer is off the table as Israel keeps building more settlements every single day.. Go and read up on it instead of pumping out all that stuff from the pro-Israeli Camera organisation who have been rumbled in the past for distorting history or better still make it easy on yourself and just ask me.
 

Camera...

https://electronicintifada.net/content/ei-exclusive-pro-israel-groups-plan-rewrite-history-wikipedia/7472

The reporter never said that the cheering on the hillside had been wrongly reported so stop lying. You shamefully claimed it was all lies even though you were shown evidence from several organisations together with a video and pictures yet you still claimed it was lies. You doing that was as good as cheering yourself which wouldn’t have surprised me one little bit. That's when I realised that you were never even handed and an out and out chancer.

You really can’t hide it anymore so just man up that you are right in there with the Likud Party and the ultimate aim of the creation of the greater Israel all at the expense of the Palestinian people.   You don’t care and you should be ashamed of yourself for no other reason than you have more faces than the Big Ben clock tower lol.

So there you go Irn still backs political hamas the same people who praised the murders.
No need to say anything more really as well as he did not address a single point I made
It was another post proving why he is the biggest dick on the forum.
Who said anything about offers?
3 times the Palestinians could have created a state and 3 times they denied this happenning.
At every turn it was the PLO that did not agree to terms, which would have seen the creation of a Palestinian state.
Nothing worse when the left just invent nonsense to back their views
He also thinks its wrong to be critical of a peace group.
Weak argument when as seen this group has been very poor and biased not just one occasion but on many. Not only that that the UNHCR is not fit for purpose when it is headed up by the likes of the Saudis,  that it then becomes a joke and an even biogger joke when these same nations violate human rights daily. This is why you are always wound up, because you fail to see the truth and then make outlandish exagerations claiming I have discounted every human rights group. Absurd.  That is desperation again on your part
I posted the evidence above which shows that the Palestinians could have a state and they still could tomorrow if they chose the path peace but they choose to continue the conflict, this is because they believe the lands are dar al islam, no matter how badly you, which is as bad as Zionism. This is why Palestinian refugees are kept as pawns to continue the conflict

Look the fact is you seen more interested in me than any intelligent debate, whcih shows you are constantly wound up. That is your issue not mine and to be honest you are getting that bad its like I have said before its just not even worth debating its so easy to show your points wrong. I mean considering personal threads are not allowed, and you being admin you do you upmost to term them into personal threads and all because you cannot move on.
Sorry now it makes me laugh

Unless you have anything intelligent to say I suggest you debate Tommy, as you both have a low intellect

So enjoy

e

sassy wrote:

 
Israelis sit on a hill to watch air strikes on Gaza, some bring drinks and snacks as they cheer the explosions a few miles away. Photograph: gath/UPI/Landov/Barcroft Media

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

moslems also gather for entertainment to watch gays thrown off buildings , oh and they also watch Syrian Christians crucified too , but you didn't condemn that did you ?

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:Your right Didge there is nothing funnier than people dying which is why you shouldn’t have used that term in your opening remark in the post I replied to. You walked straight into that but of course you are a gift that just keeps on goving.
I can use what I like, you were the one that made fun of people dying which just furthers backs my point you champion Hamas to wipe out the
I back political Hamas and every other organisation in seeking talks and a settlement that will bring peace something that Netanyahu has continually refused to do. I have condemned the killing of all innocent men women and children whether its committed by the Hamas military wing or the IDF and the illegal settlers. I’ve told you that before so stop lying. Just keep citing pro-Israeli organisations that have been discredited time and time again because that’s where most of your stuff comes from anyway.

Yes, you have attempted to discredit almost all human rights organisations who publish anything that condemns Israel for its actions. Amnesty International,  Jews for Justice. UN human rights reports, Yesh Din, and countless Israeli bloggers and commentators who see what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank and comment on it the latest one being  Amira Hass on another thread.  Just a few weeks ago you were claiming there was no occupation all based on total nonsense. And you are at it again I see. You are just like the Zionists who want total capitulation of the Palestinians to live under their rule. That’s your view of peace.

There has never been an offer of a total sovereign state for Palestine and it’s a myth to suggest that there was. What was on offer is statehood in the sense that the Palestinian’s can run their own affairs in a civil state not a state with full sovereign control  as recognised by the United Nations and no right of return for Palestinian’s forcibly evicted from their homes. . Nothing has changed other than even that offer is off the table as Israel keeps building more settlements every single day.. Go and read up on it instead of pumping out all that stuff from the pro-Israeli Camera organisation who have been rumbled in the past for distorting history or better still make it easy on yourself and just ask me.
 

Camera...

https://electronicintifada.net/content/ei-exclusive-pro-israel-groups-plan-rewrite-history-wikipedia/7472

The reporter never said that the cheering on the hillside had been wrongly reported so stop lying. You shamefully claimed it was all lies even though you were shown evidence from several organisations together with a video and pictures yet you still claimed it was lies. You doing that was as good as cheering yourself which wouldn’t have surprised me one little bit. That's when I realised that you were never even handed and an out and out chancer.

You really can’t hide it anymore so just man up that you are right in there with the Likud Party and the ultimate aim of the creation of the greater Israel all at the expense of the Palestinian people.   You don’t care and you should be ashamed of yourself for no other reason than you have more faces than the Big Ben clock tower lol.

So there you go Irn still backs political hamas the same people who praised the murders.
No need to say anything more really as well as he did not address a single point I made
It was another post proving why he is the biggest dick on the forum.
Who said anything about offers?
3 times the Palestinians could have created a state and 3 times they denied this happenning.
At every turn it was the PLO that did not agree to terms, which would have seen the creation of a Palestinian state.
Nothing worse when the left just invent nonsense to back their views
He also thinks its wrong to be critical of a peace group.
Weak argument when as seen this group has been very poor and biased not just one occasion but on many. Not only that that the UNHCR is not fit for purpose when it is headed up by the likes of the Saudis,  that it then becomes a joke and an even biogger joke when these same nations violate human rights daily. This is why you are always wound up, because you fail to see the truth and then make outlandish exagerations claiming I have discounted every human rights group. Absurd.  That is desperation again on your part
I posted the evidence above which shows that the Palestinians could have a state and they still could tomorrow if they chose the path peace but they choose to continue the conflict, this is because they believe the lands are dar al islam, no matter how badly you, which is as bad as Zionism. This is why Palestinian refugees are kept as pawns to continue the conflict

Look the fact is you seen more interested in me than any intelligent debate, whcih shows you are constantly wound up. That is your issue not mine and to be honest you are getting that bad its like I have said before its just not even worth debating its so easy to show your points wrong. I mean considering personal threads are not allowed, and you being admin you do you upmost to term them into personal threads and all because you cannot move on.
Sorry now it makes me laugh

Unless you have anything intelligent to say I suggest you debate Tommy, as you both have a low intellect

So enjoy

e

I addressed all your points Didge and I see you have avoided the cheering on the hillside which you shamefully claimed was all lies. That’s when I realised you were a fake and that you support the Zionist cause and all they stand for. That was truly shocking.

As for an obsession - I would suggest that it is you that has that. You have just mentioned Tommy for no reason when he has not even been involved in this thread and it’s not the first time you have done that – in fact you do it regularly so there’s your obsession for you.

And I would be as well having the discussion with Tommy because his views on immigration are exactly in line with yours. Like you he also believes that immigration in this country created an undue increase in racial tensions including the formation of grooming gangs. At least he is honest and up front about it whereas you let the cat out of the bag and reveal your true beliefs when you get angry and lose control of yourself as you did on the thread where we were discussing that very issue. You have since said that you have changed your mind about the effects of immigration which is a lie because I put it to you then that you were changing your mind and you denied that and said that you were not. You also revealed yourself on that thread as a racist and xenophobic with a torrent of shameful racially aggravated abuse, in fact you have even admitted that you are. Deny it all you but just in case you try to deny it I’ll be happy to point you in the direction of where all that happened.

Even worse it was a thread about a gay pride march which you railroaded of the topic altogether. So you see Didge, if you want to get really personal about things as you do by bringing other people into a discussion for no reason as well as slinging out racially aggrivated personal abuse based on my nationality then fine by me. Just don’t complain about it when it when you are reminded of it and it comes and bites you on the arse.

So again Irn proves me right.
Every single paragraph was about me.
That is a called a poor deflection.


No need to say anymore on this thread

Cuchulain wrote:So again Irn proves me right.
Every single paragraph was about me.
That is a called a poor deflection.


No need to say anymore on this thread

Well your post started off with amention about me and you went on from there ending it with Tommy.

But you are right Didge in that it is a good idea for you not to say anymore. You've said enough as it is but bunk off if you want as it will save you having to defend the indefensible and your shameful behaviour..