Europe's Border Crisis (Panorama BBC1)

BBC1 Panorama

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06g01kf

Please watch so we can have some views!

The BBC??

Really??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06g01kf


It was a very emotional watch
Want to know of anyone else saw it?

i bet they showed plenty of young children and mothers telling you loads of sob stories

did they did not show any of the angry men of fighting age attacking police check points, robbing doo gooders and rioting in the streets

go on eddie, get yourself down to germnay and start helping the poor refugees, best you make sure youre well dressed and covered up becasue these refugess dont understand that european women dont enjoy rape

Smelly I know all the things you've mentioned are happening but there are plenty of real needy refugees - among them was a young three year old boy. He'd been run over by a taxi as he slept on the streets.

The worse thing about it was, apart from his horrible injuries (broken jaw), there were a lot of men with him claiming to be his uncles and a father.
The boy said none of them were his father.
The interviewer was trying to find out if the uncles were his uncles! They hadn't even taken him to hospital!!!

Smelly, he was crying for his mum and it made me break down in tears.

I'd have took him in, in an instant. Poor litle baby.

eddie wrote:Smelly I know all the things you've mentioned are happening but there are plenty of real needy refugees - among them was a young three year old boy. He'd been run over by a taxi as he slept on the streets.

The worse thing about it was, apart from his horrible injuries (broken jaw), there were a lot of men with him claiming to be his uncles and a father.
The boy said none of them were his father.
The interviewer was trying to find out if the uncles were his uncles! They hadn't even taken him to hospital!!!

Smelly, he was crying for his mum and it made me break down in tears.

I'd have took him in, in an instant. Poor litle baby.

this is what the media do eddie, they manipulate your white liberal guilt, they strike straight to your emotional core without a shred of mercy or ounce of care for you or the little boy whose plight they are calloulsy exploiting for their own ends

the media and documentaries like this are as bad as people smugglers, they all make money off of human misery.

you may think me cold hearted and yes i am, ive had a different life to you.

But i am not entirely indifferent to the needs of genuine refugees, I sympathise with them, however I STILL think that protecting what WE have, is more important than helping them.

we are faced with a choice, turn our backs on the migrants and maintain OUR way of life or succumb to our guiltly implulses and helping these immigrants all it will cost us is destroying our way of life and diluting our freedoms to accomadate those who are intolerant of our freedoms

i look at what is happening in germany and what will happen to the rest of europe and i mourn for the fact that that boy aylan washed up on the beach, he was not the only thing to die that day, europe died with him and it would have been better if his body was eaten by sharks instead.

when i was a boy in south africa and the apartheid came down,i knew before it started what violence and hatred was coming to SA, the writing was on the wall, and the same kind of writing is on the wall for europe, as the rapes and hijackings and murders started happening, it soon became impossible to meet a white south african who didnt have experience as a victim of crime in some capacity, ive as well as members of my family and friends have been victims of crime - violent and otherwise several dozen times when i grew up, I got so lucky so many times to still be alive.

and the same is going to happen in germany, and then europe. europeans will grow up in a europe darker and more dangerous than the one we know NOW, young germans will grow up knowing that they have to cover up because they will be raped otherwise, they will know not to step out of line, they will be subjegated people in their own countries, and being raped or a victim of Muslim immigrant agression will become (like it did in SA) a question of when and "will i survive it" rather than it might happen but probably wont.

cold and harsh as that may sound, europe is finished, it will NEVER be the same again, it will never be safe secure and prosperous EVER again, and in the years to come, europe will come unraveled as the unstoppable ethnic/cultural/religious agression meets the immovable neo-nazi/nationalist/patriotic hatred

the brutal truth of the matter is that while europe has helped a handful of genuine refuguees it has just imported the first wave of an army numbering hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of culturally incompatible angry men of fighting age who hate everything that Europe stands for and think that women are nothing more than sex slaves for their personal amusement

im sorry that the boy made you cry, but you may want to spare some tears for the europeans.

Wow! That was some post Smelly. I don't know if your predictions will come true, but it was very well written and quite powerful.

Amazing post smelly. Really. What a harsh life you had growing up.
I read your posts, always with interest. I've never thought you were racist or any of the other labels people put on you, you just don't dilly dally and say what you think - calling a spade and spade as it were (very much like most of my black mates actually).

As for the Europe; I'm not dismissing your opinions, I'm not one to dismiss people, do you really believe that to be true or do you think you're going by what happened in SA?

Raggamuffin wrote:Wow! That was some post Smelly. I don't know if your predictions will come true, but it was very well written and quite powerful.

He's a fantastic poster, agree with him or not, he speaks purely from the heart of his opinion - no long arse copy and paste jobs either!
That's why I always read what he says.

What do you,think of his Europe predictions, rags?

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Wow! That was some post Smelly. I don't know if your predictions will come true, but it was very well written and quite powerful.

He's a fantastic poster, agree with him or not, he speaks purely from the heart of his opinion - no long arse copy and paste jobs either!
That's why I always read what he says.

What do you,think of his Europe predictions,  rags?

Yes, I admire a well-written post rather than a long copy and paste job.

What concerns me is the vast numbers of these people coming to Europe all at once, and many of them being young men. They are coming from a different culture, there are so many of them, and as we have seen, they will be grouped together as much as possible rather than fitting into the societies they're moving into. I think that will create the potential for cultural problems in areas, although I'm not sure that it would lead to rape and that kind of thing. I do think though that men from that kind of culture do see women as not being quite equal to them.

I also think this will affect Europe in a different way too. The arguments and resistance by some countries to taking in a lot of refugees will damage relations between countries. I think Germany has done a lot of damage by opening its borders without any thought of how that would affect other countries, and their rather bossy stance will only make other countries resent being told what to do.

Good points rags. I agree about Germany too - as much as I admired their goodwill I did think "Well you're much bloody bigger than us you've got the room!"

i dont know if smelly has over exaggerated or not - no one can say, and if he's right, it'll all be too late by then. I do know that the world won't be the same, something is shifting and something isn't "right" in the world at all.

I don't think talking to Isis over a cup of tea, as Corbyn suggests, will do any good whatsoever.

What bullies need, and ISIS are the biggest fucking bullies in the playground, are bigger bullies to come and knock them out. It sometimes feels as though the rest of the world should get together and just wipe out Isis altogether. All this "bits and pieces" attacks here and there, seem to be hardly making a dent.

As for the refugees in last night's programme (I urge you to watch it) I couldn't help but feel so very sorry for the real people in this; The Refugees. The families running away, the man holding his son who's head was burned, the scared children who have been robbed of their childhood, walking and walking and sleeping in the roads, with no hope of anything better.

They are the ones I want to save.

eddie wrote:Good points rags. I agree about Germany too - as much as I admired their goodwill I did think "Well you're much bloody bigger than us you've got the room!"

i dont know if smelly has over exaggerated or not - no one can say, and if he's right, it'll all be too late by then. I do know that the world won't be the same, something is shifting and something isn't "right" in the world at all.

I don't think talking to Isis over a cup of tea, as Corbyn suggests, will do any good whatsoever.

What bullies need, and ISIS are the biggest fucking bullies in the playground, are bigger bullies to come and knock them out. It sometimes feels as though the rest of the world should get together and just wipe out Isis altogether. All this "bits and pieces" attacks here and there, seem to be hardly making a dent.

As for the refugees in last night's programme (I urge you to watch it) I couldn't help but feel so very sorry for the real people in this; The Refugees. The families running away, the man holding his son who's head was burned, the scared children who have been robbed of their childhood, walking and walking and sleeping in the roads, with no hope of anything better.

They are the ones I want to save.

I agree about ISIS. There will be no reasoning with them, and unfortunately, the only way to stop them is with violence. I do think that it might be possible to talk to Assad and the other rebels though and get them to agree to a ceasefire of some kind. I agree that there's no point targeting one group and then another group, depending on who's doing what at the time - that won't resolve anything.

I think that people should stop talking about refugees settling in Europe. There is a possibility that they might be able to go home at some stage - if the various factions stop pissing about having pops at each other and concentrate on the biggest threat - ISIS.

I doubt I'll watch the programme tbh. All the refugees are real, and I doubt very much that the other side of the issue will have been shown - the ingratitude, the demands, the fake ones, the issue of ISIS people mingling amongst them - that kind of thing.

Poo reasoning and smelly plays unto peoples fear.

We have progressed for centuries, so what does smelly fear is going to change, when that change has always been for the better?

He is not a progressionist and denies equal rights for groups of people. He plays off the softy approach as if he cares when this is nothing further than the truth. He wishes to appeal to people as the concerned individual, when he wants nothing more than for people to view groups of people with suspicion.
Lets have a reality check here smelly views many groups with distain and believes they are not compatiable with with western society. He neglects it was western bad ideals that ended up screwing up many nations under colonies. The west has move on in many nations but in others it is bad and there is much to do for society to move forward.

What is happenning in Germany?
Well not much really some media stories which hype up this fear and how people then play up to this fear. We have seen fear used before to attract people to a cause and it ended very ugly as it always has done. No matter what century you look into when an irrational fear is played off on with a person claiming to be genuinely concerned is nothing more than a sham.

Violence happened in South Africa becuase millions of people had been subjucated and persecuted for decades. This left resentment with those who advantaged in society. For decades you had etnic groups denied proper education and skills. How else would people feel, where it will still take decades and a couple of generations for this to change. There is no comparability to SA and Germany today with the Refugees. SA will in time gte much better but it will be where many children grow up together with less hate. A better similarity would be to see the conflict in Northern ireland where for decades there was violence also, because again one was in control. It took many having enough of this violence for it to change.

So where does Smelly get this perception its all going to turn sour?
We have had mass immigration now for over a decade and yet crime decreases. A trend should show in the country for a situation to worse. It has not. So where he claims a handful of refugees is just being plain ignorant because that is his perception of who is. He does not define who is and at the end of the day his view is to instill fear. The very same fear he has been saying to me for years that will boil over into violence. Yet we do not see that violence and in fact this country has become even more passive and less violent in its protests.

So what is smelly's nice approach aim really about?
To win hearts and minds while attempting to turn people against others.
He is the one actually being manipulative here, doing so off things like white guilt, Liberal etc. He seeks to try and say that society is actually wrong today and he wants to change it for a much nastier future. One that will take many of your freedoms away from you. If you fail to see that, then many of you do not understand the resolve of the far right. Its the same language used time and again throughout history.

Though its up to people what they wish to believe but I have been hearin the same tune played by smelly for years and still I see no river of blood in this country.

r

eddie wrote:Amazing post smelly. Really. What a harsh life you had growing up.
I read your posts, always with interest. I've never thought you were racist or any of the other labels people put on you, you just don't dilly dally and say what you think - calling a spade and spade as it were (very much like most of my black mates actually).

As for the Europe; I'm not dismissing your opinions, I'm not one to dismiss people, do you really believe that to be true or do you think you're going by what happened in SA?

it wasnt just my life eddie, it was the life of millions of young south africans growing up

its the same kind of harsh life that millions of young britons have growing up in inner city shitholes where they are minorities in their own country, or black americans have growing up in gang land

its the life of people who live in places where law and order has all but broken down and where if on the odd occasion its applied, its selectively and sporadically and unevenly applied.

i simply had to worry about being hijacked or having to wake up and shoot robbers in the middle of the night, kids in london the similar fears, they have to worry about being knifed while riding a bike or because they looked at the wrong girl at the worng time, comparetively speaking its an easy life when you look at young syrians.

BUT, does it mean that i believe it will come to europe?? yes I do

not because of some doom and gloom hollywood apocalypse scenario, but becasue of something so boring and mundane it probably flies under the radar or most people - law and order applied selectivley sporadically and unevenly.

on the "rip europe" i posted a number of reports about how these migrants are acting in an aggressive and hostile manner and nothing is being done to stop them, in germany young women are being warned to cover up otherwise they will likely be raped by these immigrants

that is when it starts, when the authorities give up on protecting the public from criminal behaviour and start giving out advice on how to moderate your behaviour or what steps to take to prevent being raped - like covering up, thats when you know you basically have a target on your back and its a free for all

south africa was a hardcore country, its minority population forced it into the 1st world, it suppressed and controlled a population hundreds of times its size for decades, it fought a brutal war for over a dozen years, it had an army that was at one stage considered to be on par with the IDF, our security machine was well oiled and fully functioning, we had nuclear weapons, we had cutting edge military and medical technology that wasnt available to anyone else, we had unity and patriotism, and if a counrty as weathered and hard bitten as south africa could fall into such choas,  what chance do you think the EU - devided ,soft,rotten,corrupt,self hating and incapable of defenfing itself stand in the face of overt agression from immigrants who have no intention of intigrating and who as we are already seeing, seem to be immune from the law??

they are illegal immigrants who have attacked european police forces, overrun borders, trampled security checkpoints and instead of stopping them the german government has evicted its own citizens in order to make room for them

tell me eddie, because i genuinely cant see it, what exactly about what is happening in europe fills you with the belief that its all going to end well??

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:Good points rags. I agree about Germany too - as much as I admired their goodwill I did think "Well you're much bloody bigger than us you've got the room!"

i dont know if smelly has over exaggerated or not - no one can say, and if he's right, it'll all be too late by then. I do know that the world won't be the same, something is shifting and something isn't "right" in the world at all.

I don't think talking to Isis over a cup of tea, as Corbyn suggests, will do any good whatsoever.

What bullies need, and ISIS are the biggest fucking bullies in the playground, are bigger bullies to come and knock them out. It sometimes feels as though the rest of the world should get together and just wipe out Isis altogether. All this "bits and pieces" attacks here and there, seem to be hardly making a dent.

As for the refugees in last night's programme (I urge you to watch it) I couldn't help but feel so very sorry for the real people in this; The Refugees. The families running away, the man holding his son who's head was burned, the scared children who have been robbed of their childhood, walking and walking and sleeping in the roads, with no hope of anything better.

They are the ones I want to save.

I agree about ISIS. There will be no reasoning with them, and unfortunately, the only way to stop them is with violence. I do think that it might be possible to talk to Assad and the other rebels though and get them to agree to a ceasefire of some kind. I agree that there's no point targeting one group and then another group, depending on who's doing what at the time - that won't resolve anything.

I think that people should stop talking about refugees settling in Europe. There is a possibility that they might be able to go home at some stage - if the various factions stop pissing about having pops at each other and concentrate on the biggest threat - ISIS.

I doubt I'll watch the programme tbh. All the refugees are real, and I doubt very much that the other side of the issue will have been shown - the ingratitude, the demands, the fake ones, the issue of ISIS people mingling amongst them - that kind of thing.

Regards your last paragraph - you'll be surprised. Watch it.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Wow! That was some post Smelly. I don't know if your predictions will come true, but it was very well written and quite powerful.

He's a fantastic poster, agree with him or not, he speaks purely from the heart of his opinion - no long arse copy and paste jobs either!
That's why I always read what he says.

What do you,think of his Europe predictions,  rags?

Agreed, Smelly posts great posts, from the heart with his opinions and experiences,
and no fuckwittery or bloody cut and pastes. A great deal of what Smelly says re Islam
immigration and the situation in Europe is bob on.

smelly-bandit wrote:

eddie wrote:Amazing post smelly. Really. What a harsh life you had growing up.
I read your posts, always with interest. I've never thought you were racist or any of the other labels people put on you, you just don't dilly dally and say what you think - calling a spade and spade as it were (very much like most of my black mates actually).

As for the Europe; I'm not dismissing your opinions, I'm not one to dismiss people, do you really believe that to be true or do you think you're going by what happened in SA?

it wasnt just my life eddie, it was the life of millions of young south africans growing up

its the same kind of harsh life that millions of young britons have growing up in inner city shitholes where they are minorities in their own country, or black americans have growing up in gang land

its the life of people who live in places where law and order has all but broken down and where if on the odd occasion its applied, its selectively and sporadically and unevenly applied.

i simply had to worry about being hijacked or having to wake up and shoot robbers in the middle of the night, kids in london the similar fears, they have to worry about being knifed while riding a bike or because they looked at the wrong girl at teh worng time, comparitively speaking its an easy life when you look at young syrians.

BUT, does it mean that i belive it will come to europe?? yes I do

not because of some doom and gloom hollywood apocalypse scenario, but becasue of something so boring and mundane it probably flies under the radar or most people - law and order applied selectivley sporadically and unevenly.

on the "rip europe" i posted a number of reports about how these migrants are acting in an aggressive and hostile manner and nothing is being done to stop them, in germany young women are being warned to cover up otherwise they will likely be raped by these immigrants

that is when it starts, when the authorities give up on protecting the public from criminal behaviour and start giving out advice on how to moderate your behaviour or what steps to take to prevent being raped - like covering up, thats when you know you basically have a target on your back and its a free for all

south africa was a hardcore country, its minority population forced it into the 1st world, it suppressed and controlled a population hundreds of times its size for decades, it fought a brutal war for over a dozen years, it had an army that was at one stage considered to be on par with the IDF, our security machine was well oiled and fully functioning, we had nuclear weapons, we had cutting edge military and medical technology that wasnt available to anyone else, we had unity and patriotism, and if a counrty as weathered and hard bitten as south africa could fall into such choas,  what chance do you think the EU - devided ,soft,rotten,corrupt,self hating and incapable of defenfing itself stand in the face of overt agression from immigrants who have no intention of intigrating and who as we are already seeing, seem to be immune from the law??

they are illegal immigrants who have attacked european police forces, overrun borders, trampled security checkpoints and instead of stopping them the german government has evicted its own citizens in order to make room for them

tell me eddie, because i genuinely cant see it, what exactly about what is happening in europe fills you with the belief that its all going to end well??
   

Only my blind optimism smelly, that's it.
I am in the process of ensuring my children will have a job/trade that they can take with them so they may be able to fuck off and live somewhere else, if the shit hits the fan when they're older.

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

it wasnt just my life eddie, it was the life of millions of young south africans growing up

its the same kind of harsh life that millions of young britons have growing up in inner city shitholes where they are minorities in their own country, or black americans have growing up in gang land

its the life of people who live in places where law and order has all but broken down and where if on the odd occasion its applied, its selectively and sporadically and unevenly applied.

i simply had to worry about being hijacked or having to wake up and shoot robbers in the middle of the night, kids in london the similar fears, they have to worry about being knifed while riding a bike or because they looked at the wrong girl at teh worng time, comparitively speaking its an easy life when you look at young syrians.

BUT, does it mean that i belive it will come to europe?? yes I do

not because of some doom and gloom hollywood apocalypse scenario, but becasue of something so boring and mundane it probably flies under the radar or most people - law and order applied selectivley sporadically and unevenly.

on the "rip europe" i posted a number of reports about how these migrants are acting in an aggressive and hostile manner and nothing is being done to stop them, in germany young women are being warned to cover up otherwise they will likely be raped by these immigrants

that is when it starts, when the authorities give up on protecting the public from criminal behaviour and start giving out advice on how to moderate your behaviour or what steps to take to prevent being raped - like covering up, thats when you know you basically have a target on your back and its a free for all

south africa was a hardcore country, its minority population forced it into the 1st world, it suppressed and controlled a population hundreds of times its size for decades, it fought a brutal war for over a dozen years, it had an army that was at one stage considered to be on par with the IDF, our security machine was well oiled and fully functioning, we had nuclear weapons, we had cutting edge military and medical technology that wasnt available to anyone else, we had unity and patriotism, and if a counrty as weathered and hard bitten as south africa could fall into such choas,  what chance do you think the EU - devided ,soft,rotten,corrupt,self hating and incapable of defenfing itself stand in the face of overt agression from immigrants who have no intention of intigrating and who as we are already seeing, seem to be immune from the law??

they are illegal immigrants who have attacked european police forces, overrun borders, trampled security checkpoints and instead of stopping them the german government has evicted its own citizens in order to make room for them

tell me eddie, because i genuinely cant see it, what exactly about what is happening in europe fills you with the belief that its all going to end well??
   

Only my blind optimism smelly, that's it.
I am in the process of ensuring my children will have a job/trade that they can take with them so they may be able to fuck off and live  somewhere else, if the shit hits the fan when they're older.

Me too

So there you go.
After saying the media is manipulating people, its smelly himself admitting to using media sources as his claim to what will go wrong.
That is nothing short of defeating your own argument on manipulation, as he is then claiming some are fine and others are wrong, based on nothing more than his own opinin.
Like I say he fails to understand why there was a rise in violence in South Africa which is miles removed from Germany of today because we are not talking about how different ethnic groups were discrminated against and treated.


i commend smelly for his "I am a nice bloke approach" but its all a smoke screen at the end of the day where again he has claimed this nation would erupt in such violence for years and it never happened? He made the same use of poor media sources to back up his claims. It is smelly who actually wants a war and conflict that devides society as his many aim is for a war to be commited to an actually religion. That of Islam. Smelly has the same aims of ISIS, they both want a war between Muslims ands Non-Muslims. They both really want  a religious war which if they had their way would create millions dying, of which they care little only other than their cause winning.

This is what people fail to grasp, for ages smelly has been claiming of such a war to come, because he wants one. This is born from an ideological view based on armageddon.
This is the telling point where all smelly's views stem from a belief that is Christian in origin where he wishes to promote a new crusade.

As to South Africa again he fails to see that becausew of this oppression of many groups, that has led to later violence. A systematic persecution, as the Apartheid system did only benefited those white in South Africa. It did not progress because it was an elite racist system. It only created a situation that could have turned into a bloddy civil war only averted by Mandela. If it had turned into a civil war of which it nearly did, many hundreds of thousands would have been butchered by both sides and to achieve what aim?

Nothing. So smelly does not understand history where people have been and are continually opressed as no any one civilization lasts. It always bursts when it over reaches itself.

I think there may be a further problem in Europe depending on how it goes in Syria. To my mind, the only way to get anywhere is to let Assad off the hook, at least for the moment, and concentrate on ISIS.

There may be many young men who have come to Europe who are very opposed to Assad, and if they perceive that he is a "friend" of Europe or the US, they may well react badly to that. Cue terrorist attacks, violent protests, etc.

hope eh??

never had much use for the stuff

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:Good points rags. I agree about Germany too - as much as I admired their goodwill I did think "Well you're much bloody bigger than us you've got the room!"

i dont know if smelly has over exaggerated or not - no one can say, and if he's right, it'll all be too late by then. I do know that the world won't be the same, something is shifting and something isn't "right" in the world at all.

I don't think talking to Isis over a cup of tea, as Corbyn suggests, will do any good whatsoever.

What bullies need, and ISIS are the biggest fucking bullies in the playground, are bigger bullies to come and knock them out. It sometimes feels as though the rest of the world should get together and just wipe out Isis altogether. All this "bits and pieces" attacks here and there, seem to be hardly making a dent.

As for the refugees in last night's programme (I urge you to watch it) I couldn't help but feel so very sorry for the real people in this; The Refugees. The families running away, the man holding his son who's head was burned, the scared children who have been robbed of their childhood, walking and walking and sleeping in the roads, with no hope of anything better.

They are the ones I want to save.

I agree about ISIS. There will be no reasoning with them, and unfortunately, the only way to stop them is with violence. I do think that it might be possible to talk to Assad and the other rebels though and get them to agree to a ceasefire of some kind. I agree that there's no point targeting one group and then another group, depending on who's doing what at the time - that won't resolve anything.

I think that people should stop talking about refugees settling in Europe. There is a possibility that they might be able to go home at some stage - if the various factions stop pissing about having pops at each other and concentrate on the biggest threat - ISIS.

I doubt I'll watch the programme tbh. All the refugees are real, and I doubt very much that the other side of the issue will have been shown - the ingratitude, the demands, the fake ones, the issue of ISIS people mingling amongst them - that kind of thing.

why would they want to go home??

the worst we have to offer is probably better than the best they have back home

free health care.

free education.

free housing.

free money.

a life of luxury

if they were drawn here because of those things then i doubt they will want to return to their previous lives where those things dont exist, especially since most of their previous lives is now rubble

smelly-bandit wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I agree about ISIS. There will be no reasoning with them, and unfortunately, the only way to stop them is with violence. I do think that it might be possible to talk to Assad and the other rebels though and get them to agree to a ceasefire of some kind. I agree that there's no point targeting one group and then another group, depending on who's doing what at the time - that won't resolve anything.

I think that people should stop talking about refugees settling in Europe. There is a possibility that they might be able to go home at some stage - if the various factions stop pissing about having pops at each other and concentrate on the biggest threat - ISIS.

I doubt I'll watch the programme tbh. All the refugees are real, and I doubt very much that the other side of the issue will have been shown - the ingratitude, the demands, the fake ones, the issue of ISIS people mingling amongst them - that kind of thing.

why would they want to go home??

the worst we have to offer is probably better than the best they have back home

free health care.

free education.

free housing.

free money.

a life of luxury

if they were drawn here because of those things then i doubt they will want to return to their previous lives where those things dont exist, especially since most of their previous lives is now rubble

They may well not want to go home. It's up to the European countries to make sure they do by not making things too soft for them. Yes, I know that's unlikely ...

Which really shows smelly has absoluetly no idea how refugees actually struggle, but there is a very good example of how smelly is allowing himself to be manipulated by poor media sources like the Daily Mail.
Strange when his own arguments jump up and bite him in the backside.

Raggamuffin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

why would they want to go home??

the worst we have to offer is probably better than the best they have back home

free health care.

free education.

free housing.

free money.

a life of luxury

if they were drawn here because of those things then i doubt they will want to return to their previous lives where those things dont exist, especially since most of their previous lives is now rubble

They may well not want to go home. It's up to the European countries to make sure they do by not making things too soft for them. Yes, I know that's unlikely ...

sorry rags but IFs are not WILL DO's

the german authorities has evicted one of its own, a home grow, born and bred,indigenous citizen from her house in order to make room for these immigrants who have smashed their way into europe using violence and intimidation, and the rest of the EU is calling for MORE of the same

smelly-bandit wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

They may well not want to go home. It's up to the European countries to make sure they do by not making things too soft for them. Yes, I know that's unlikely ...

sorry rags but IFs are not WILL DO's

the german authorities has evicted one of its own, a home grow, born and bred,indigenous citizen from her house in order to make room for these immigrants who have smashed their way into europe using violence and intimidation, and the rest of the EU is calling for MORE of the same

Well if European countries made it clear this was a temporary measure and that they will be told to go back if it's made safe, they won't have a choice. I realise that the Germans won't do that - not the way they're pandering to them at the moment anyway.

Just like Aylan became a symbol for the plight of the refugees and the response of Europe, perhaps Bettina Halbey might become a symbol for how Germany is now treating its own citizens.

Yes, that nurse has a name - people should learn it.

Of course some people will say she's just one person. Well so was Aylan, and look at how his death influenced many people.

bettina who??

youre joking right??

smelly-bandit wrote:bettina who??

youre joking right??

About what?

Smelly, i have seen a lot of death and destruction, indeed i have been part of it.

the ordinary civy has no idea what will happen when these people get their "feet under the table" as it were, i,v seen the young men on tv already being violent to their own people. Letting millions of them into Europe is a grave mistake.

Raggamuffin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:bettina who??

youre joking right??

About what?

youre joking about europe caring that its own citizens are being displaced to accomadate immigrants

on the thread where that article was published, you have the likes of walter mitty arguing why its justified, fair enough he is not representative,and represents less than the boundaries of the inside of his lunchbox, however he is still of the opinion that is legitimate and justifiable

there will be millions of lefties thinking "and whats the problem"

if youre white and or christian, you could have your head cut off outside downing street and there will be a queue of lefties lining up t o tell you why you deserve it

smelly-bandit wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

About what?

youre joking about europe caring that its own citizens are being displaced to accomadate immigrants

on the thread where that article was published, you have the likes of walter mitty arguing why its justified, fair enough he is not representative,and represents less than the boundaries of the inside of his lunchbox, however he is still of the opinion that is legitimate and justifiable

there will be millions of lefties thinking "and whats the problem"

if youre white and or christian, you could have your head cut off outside downing street and there will be a queue of lefties lining up t o tell you why you deserve it

 

The German Government won't care of course, but other people might. Didge doesn't really count, especially as he claimed later that he was playing a weird game.

but the german government is the defacto government of all europe.

smelly-bandit wrote:but the german government is the defacto government of all europe.

Not yet, although they'd like to be. I just hope that Cameron stands up to the Germans. He mustn't listen to the leftie luvvies.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

About what?

youre joking about europe caring that its own citizens are being displaced to accomadate immigrants

on the thread where that article was published, you have the likes of walter mitty arguing why its justified, fair enough he is not representative,and represents less than the boundaries of the inside of his lunchbox, however he is still of the opinion that is legitimate and justifiable

there will be millions of lefties thinking "and whats the problem"

if youre white and or christian, you could have your head cut off outside downing street and there will be a queue of lefties lining up t o tell you why you deserve it

 

You see there is nothing worse where a person is so out of touch with reality and then plays the race care and to top it off the Christian victim card. The very fact is these peoplke have been evicted from their homes these refugees. They are left with a choice of staying for example in Syria, where they could be raped, enslaved, child sex abuse, murder, torture etc. What does this nurse face in comparrison? Yes its sad she has been asked to move where again there could be legal ramifications over this, but Germany is trying to help the plight of hundreds of thousands who have no home at all. Only on one occasion have I seen some of the extreme left cheer when Thatcher died. I have never seen any cheer at a White Christian being murdered and yet you come out with such claims, because it is you that actually holds the extreme views where you have cheered at the deaths of children on a number of occasions. Your view is to see children as later on murderers. Which if we took ytour view, then your methodlogy would never allow for another child to be allowed to live. So lets have a reality check here as it is you, not lefties that has cheered at Palestinian children dying for example. How you thought Breviks deluded perception to murder basically children who had left wing ideals, as w ay to deny people a choice. That the only way your view stands any chance of being a reality is to wipe out those with opposing views to you.

You see you go on about Muslims being indoctrinated from a young age, the same happens with literal Christians also and in your case you were indoctrinated to view other etnnic groups as inferior as if a society should subjucate a people was the way forward. Your thinking is one of elitism, where you think might is right. You forget that every human born is vunerable, but view to take advantage of those weaker. Its a classic case of where you have know nothing more than hate of a people which now spills out into adulthood where you play off a fear.

I mean lets us look at many of the refugees that are coming to Europe, all you see is a sea of Muslims, not people themselves, which is part of the problem you have. The biggest problem you do not understand Dalek, is your ability to even understand German people. They have shown what it takes to be real leaders, in a crisis you wish to wash your hand of. You would rather stoak up an atmosphere of fear around these people based on where some are Muslims. Its irrelevant to you that other refugees no matter if they maybe other faiths or non-faiths. Your sole intent is to derive from a belief that some how this culture will be destroyed when it is you trying to destroy it from within. Its is you that wishes to divide society with your views of prejudice. You fail to see that your view is one that will never fix a problem, but only further seeks to cause more bloodshed and violence. What people fail to see is your real goal here. To incite inserrection where you pander to an audiance who are already susceptible to fear. Its very easy for some here to agree, as they have already bought the view, because their starting position was one of fear. Even right wing Germans do not play the race card like we see here with those on the right here in Britain and France. The far right do but they have fail to even generate any such significant support with the refugees coming. So why is that Dalek? It shows how very little you do understand people. If all you seek is for people to agree with you, then allow yourself this self gratification. It will never change people completely as many of those who fall prey to fear live are the least to actually do anything about it. So all you end up doing is gaining support of the most inactive people to do anything.

Enjoy that small victory, because it has always been people of action that have stood up to the likes of you that spreads hate. Even your rhetoric of how you speak of others is no better than the extremes of ISIS. Seriously your views are on a par with the kind of hate that ISIS promotes. I men you think pandering to articles you read in the media somehow makes your views right, it never has, even if some here want to fall prey to your rhetoric. All it is then is a failing on their part they cannot think rationally for themselves that it is a united front against extremist whether it be islamic, or the far right extremism you promote. Like I say you have been saying for years of a war on Islam. ISIS also want this same conflicct because you both want a war of annihilation. That is rthe limit of your capapcity to rationalize and we have seen this kind of thing before.




Here is s something that just shows you argue no different from those of hate from before:
This was from 1936:




















Background: The Nazis were always worried about those Germans who did not accept anti-Semitism. In this article from the party monthly for propagandists, the writer provides ten responses to the most common objections they encountered to Nazi anti-Semitic measures. These were arguments intended for everyday use in conversation with fellow citizens.

The source: Kurt Hilmar Eitzen, “Zehn Knüppel wider die Judenknechte,” Unser Wille und Weg (6) 1936, pp. 309-310.

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There are still Jewish lackeys today who attempt to disrupt our storm attack on the Jewish world rulers, trying to stop us or even cause us to fall. The following hints show how one can reply to these arguments by our opponents, or even turn their arguments against them.

Argument 1: “You say that religion is a private matter. But you fight against the Jewish religion!” Counterargument: “Actually, the Jewish religion is nothing other than a doctrine to preserve the Jewish race.” (Adolf Hitler). “In resisting all government attempts to nationalize them, the Jews build a state within the state (Count Helmuth von Moltke). “To call this state a ‘religion’ was one of the cleverest tricks ever invented.” (Adolf Hitler). “From this first lie that Jewry is a religion, not a race, further lies inevitably follow.” (Adolf Hitler).

Argument 2: “There are decent Jews, after all!” — Counterargument: “This little phrase ‘after all’ proves that they are rare exceptions of no significance to our battle against Jewry as a whole. But Martin Luther saw four hundred years ago that this “decency,” proven by charitable deeds done in as public a manner as possible, is nothing but a hidden cost of business, to repaid a thousand times by uneducated Germans. “Know, dear Christian, and have no doubts about it, that next to the Devil you have no more bitter, poisonous and determined enemy than a genuine Jew. . . If they do something good for you, it is not because they love you, but because they need room to live with us, so they have to do something. But their heart remains as I have said!”

Argument 3: “The Jew has better prices than the German businessman.” — Counterargument: Any crook can sell junk. Jewish crooks have driven thousands of German businessmen to bankruptcy with the glittering trash in their department store palaces. When someone does get good products more cheaply from the Jews than from Germans, it is only because the united Jewish firms force down prices from the manufacturers, which means reducing workers’ wages. He who has bought good products cheaply from the Jew should never forget that the curse of a German worker and the tears of his hungry children come with them!

Argument 4: “There are also ‘white Jews’ [i.e., Gentiles who are as bad as Jews]. — Counterargument: “That speaks against the Jews, not for them! The fact that one calls the crooks among us ‘white Jews’ is proof that being a Jew implies something bad. Otherwise, one would call crooked Jews ‘yellow Christians.’ The fact that there are so many ‘white Jews’ among us proves that the destructive Jewish spirit has already infected wide circles of our population. It is a warning to us that we have to take up the battle against the Jewish world plague everywhere.” (Joseph Goebbels). That is why Point 24 of our party program states: “The party battles the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and outside of us.”

Argument 5: “Mr. Levi is not a Jew, since he has been baptized!” — Counterargument: As we have already shown, Jewry is not a religion. The Führer pointed that out in a sarcastic manner during the period of struggle [1919-1933] when he said that it was a peculiar sort of religion when one could smell its adherents from a great distance! No, a Jew always remains a Jew. Chaim Herz Bückeberg, better known as “Heinrich Heine,” joked: “Are these long noses a kind of uniform that allows the God King Jehovah to recognize his old body guard, even if they have deserted?” “I have no desire to convert the Jews,” Martin Luther wrote, “since that is impossible.” A Jew remains a Jew. “In case of need, a dose of baptismal water saves both business and Jewry at the same time!” (Adolf Hitler).

Argument 6: “It is true that Mr. Moses Freundenstein is a Jew, but his parents and grandparents lived here. He is one of our old established citizens.” — Counterargument: Just as a goat does not become a horse, even if his father and grandfather were in the same stall, a Jew can never become a German, even if his ancestor came to Germany as a peddler in Varus’ army [during the Roman era].

Argument 7: “The Jew is a human being, too!” — Counterargument: “Of course the Jew is a human being too. None of us has ever doubted it. But a flea is also an animal. But not a very pleasant one. Since a flea is not a pleasant animal, we have no duty to protect and defend it, to take care of it so that it can bite and torment and torture us. Rather, we make it harmless. It is the same with the Jews.” {Joseph Goebbels).

Argument 8: “Everything with a human face is equal.” — Counterargument: Thirteen years ago, the Stürmer carried a cartoon. In it, a miserable pig looked up from his sty to a royal lion. “Everything with an animal face is equal!” But what did the lion growl in reply? “That’s what you swine would like to think!”
Argument 9: “Anti-Semitism is only something for idiots!” Counterargument: One no longer hears this lie in National Socialist Germany. But one still reads it in the Jewish emigre press abroad, and Jews whisper it here and perhaps some Jewish lackeys still think that. We smile in response, and note that the Jews have never produced a single creative man, but that all great men in every country have been implacable opponents of the Jews. Some “intellectuals” may be distressed when one doubts their understanding, but we will follow the battle cry against Judah that all of the great men of our past have made!

Argument 10: “Can you live with the uproar and accept responsibility for the misery that the laws of the Third Reich bring to thousands of Jewish families?” — Counterargument: “It is almost a miracle that absolutely nothing has happened to Jews in Germany, but rather that only gradually the rights they stole from the Germans in politics and culture have been restored.” (Alfred Rosenberg). But even if a few hundred Jewish families in Germany really did have to go hungry, what is that against the many millions of German families that the Jew murdered over the course of centuries through wars, revolutions, and civil strife, not to mention those ruined through usury and fraud. “In the battle between the races, there is no truce. If you are determined finally to defend yourself, German people, then be pitiless!” (Adolf Hitler).

eddie wrote:Smelly I know all the things you've mentioned are happening but there are plenty of real needy refugees - among them was a young three year old boy. He'd been run over by a taxi as he slept on the streets.

The worse thing about it was, apart from his horrible injuries (broken jaw), there were a lot of men with him claiming to be his uncles and a father.
The boy said none of them were his father.
The interviewer was trying to find out if the uncles were his uncles! They hadn't even taken him to hospital!!!

Smelly, he was crying for his mum and it made me break down in tears.

I'd have took him in, in an instant. Poor litle baby.

I'd bet money that none of them were related to him in any way and he was just a token to hold up...



Very few women, very few children... just young men steaming into Europe under the pretense of being 'refugees' fleeing war etc... when they have all come from turkey and travelled through many safe countries...



I smell a big rat...



What happened to common sense...?

Just heard the twat charlotte church suggesting that 'climate change' is one of the reasons for Syrian conflict kicking off and a reason for people 'fleeing'...



Question time.



I despair at the lies the lefties spout through the BBC...



Only the other day I heard another 'expert' on the BBC news repeating the lie that it was assad using chemical weapons 2 years ago... when it has been conclusively shown by a UN report that it was the nice rebels who were responsible for chemical weapons attacks... plus there were a number of rebel linked terrorists arrested in turkey with chemical weapons from Syria too!!!



Check it out yourself if you don't believe me...

Tommy Monk wrote:

eddie wrote:Smelly I know all the things you've mentioned are happening but there are plenty of real needy refugees - among them was a young three year old boy. He'd been run over by a taxi as he slept on the streets.

The worse thing about it was, apart from his horrible injuries (broken jaw), there were a lot of men with him claiming to be his uncles and a father.
The boy said none of them were his father.
The interviewer was trying to find out if the uncles were his uncles! They hadn't even taken him to hospital!!!

Smelly, he was crying for his mum and it made me break down in tears.

I'd have took him in, in an instant. Poor litle baby.

I'd bet money that none of them were related to him in any way and he was just a token to hold up...



Very few women, very few children... just young men steaming into Europe under the pretense of being 'refugees' fleeing war etc... when they have all come from turkey and travelled through many safe countries...



I smell a big rat...



What happened to common sense...?

Tommy let me tell you; there were thirteen men with that child - THIRTEEN - and I bet none of them were his uncle because he didn't seem to know any of them.

Now Tommy, would you have a problem letting that poor boy in?
He was obviously alone.
And injured.
And crying for his mummy.

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


I'd bet money that none of them were related to him in any way and he was just a token to hold up...



Very few women, very few children... just young men steaming into Europe under the pretense of being 'refugees' fleeing war etc... when they have all come from turkey and travelled through many safe countries...



I smell a big rat...



What happened to common sense...?

Tommy let me tell you; there were thirteen men with that child - THIRTEEN - and I bet none of them were his uncle because he didn't seem to know any of them.

Now Tommy, would you have a problem letting that poor boy in?
He was obviously alone.
And injured.
And crying for his mummy.

Does this not tell you that a lot of these photos of men holding up babies and young children are not genuine eddie?

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


I'd bet money that none of them were related to him in any way and he was just a token to hold up...



Very few women, very few children... just young men steaming into Europe under the pretense of being 'refugees' fleeing war etc... when they have all come from turkey and travelled through many safe countries...



I smell a big rat...



What happened to common sense...?

Tommy let me tell you; there were thirteen men with that child - THIRTEEN - and I bet none of them were his uncle because he didn't seem to know any of them.

Now Tommy, would you have a problem letting that poor boy in?
He was obviously alone.
And injured.
And crying for his mummy.

to be honest eddie

yes i have a problem with letting that boy in

because i keep saying that emotional knee jerking is pusing us down a ruinous path, we need cool heads and even colder hearts to save more lives, you may not grasp how being cold and hard can have a more compassionate result than being soft and welcoming, but it will.

aylan made fools of us all, we are lost and can no longer see the wood for the trees, too much emphasis is place on helping the child in the moment and not nearly enough placed on preventing more children falling into that same moment.

do you need to be reminded that europe has its own children who will be forced to reap the whirlwind from our "good intentions"

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

You have been saying for years it will send the UK down a path of violence and yet after all this years we are still waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting. This is not just about 6 million displaced people , but all displaced people through war and persecution. You know the people that do not agree with either side in Syria, wanting to avoid both. No doubt many that had hoped for freedom and democracy, but oh know, we cannot do that. The dalek wants to instill a fear , that we do not help people, just in case some are criminals or terrorists. That they all have to behld in fear and acconatble for nothing they have done but what some individualls do. Seriously soime of you should read about the interment camps in the US in WW2, it was appalling, where this again was soked up from an unfounded fear. Then who was one of the most decorated US units of world war 2?




The 442nd Regimental Combat Team of the United States Army was a fighting unit composed almost entirely of American soldiers of Japanese ancestry who fought in World War II. Most of the families of mainland Japanese Americans were confined to internment camps in the United States interior. Beginning in 1944, the regiment fought primarily in Europe during World War II, in particular Italy, southern France, and Germany.

The 442nd Regiment was the most decorated unit for its size and length of service in the history of American warfare. The 4,000 men who initially made up the unit in April 1943 had to be replaced nearly 2.5 times. In total, about 14,000 men served, earning 9,486 Purple Hearts. The unit was awarded eight Presidential Unit Citations (5 earned in one month).:201 Twenty-one of its members were awarded Medals of Honor. Its motto was "Go for Broke".


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_%28United_States%29

Ive also been saying for years that it will take YEARS to happen and it will be gradual

i have not been wrong

smelly-bandit wrote:Ive also been saying for years that it will take YEARS to happen and it will be gradual

i have not been wrong

I do not think so, you said always that it would happen soon.
I am sure when we are OAP's you will still be saying the same lol
How long then dalek?

you tell me walter

Germany is at risk of violent outbreaks in camps housing asylum seekers, senior German police personnel warned after a string of incidents at various facilities accommodating the refugees.

"We're running the risk that the situation in refugee accommodation will get out of control," German police union chief Rainer Wendt told the mass-circulation newspaper Bild.

"Our experience suggests that in many places there are, unfortunately, very targeted and well-prepared violent clashes with ethnic or religious motivations almost every day."

A similar warning came from Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere on Thursday.

"They go on strike because they don't like the accommodation and they cause trouble because they don't like the food. They beat each other in the facilities for asylum seekers," he said.

"That's still a minority at the moment, but we have to say clearly that whoever comes to Germany ... must allow themselves to be distributed to wherever we send them, take part in a fair process and respect our legal system."

READ MORE: Over 200 asylum seekers clash in German refugee center

A mass brawl between Syrian and Afghan refugees happened on Wednesday in Hamburg, leaving four people including a guard injured. An unrelated scuffle in Hamburg resulted in four asylum seekers being arrested.

A fight in refugee shelter in Suhl, in the eastern state of Thuringia, left 11 people hurt. The police arrested 15 brawlers in the aftermath on Tuesday.


On Sunday, some 370 Albanians and Pakistanis clashed in a shelter in the German region of Hessen after a dispute over distribution of food. The fight resulted in 14 people being injured, including three police officers.

https://www.rt.com/news/317365-germany-police-refugees-fear/

seems to me its already started, a decade ahead of schedule

smelly-bandit wrote:you tell me walter

Germany is at risk of violent outbreaks in camps housing asylum seekers, senior German police personnel warned after a string of incidents at various facilities accommodating the refugees.
You mean yoiu are yet again going off scare stories.
So there is a risk, this may happen.
That does not mean it is going to turn into full scale riots and murder, does it?

"We're running the risk that the situation in refugee accommodation will get out of control," German police union chief Rainer Wendt told the mass-circulation newspaper Bild.


"Our experience suggests that in many places there are, unfortunately, very targeted and well-prepared violent clashes with ethnic or religious motivations almost every day."

A similar warning came from Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere on Thursday.

"They go on strike because they don't like the accommodation and they cause trouble because they don't like the food. They beat each other in the facilities for asylum seekers," he said.

"That's still a minority at the moment, but we have to say clearly that whoever comes to Germany ... must allow themselves to be distributed to wherever we send them, take part in a fair process and respect our legal system."

READ MORE: Over 200 asylum seekers clash in German refugee center

A mass brawl between Syrian and Afghan refugees happened on Wednesday in Hamburg, leaving four people including a guard injured. An unrelated scuffle in Hamburg resulted in four asylum seekers being arrested.

A fight in refugee shelter in Suhl, in the eastern state of Thuringia, left 11 people hurt. The police arrested 15 brawlers in the aftermath on Tuesday.


On Sunday, some 370 Albanians and Pakistanis clashed in a shelter in the German region of Hessen after a dispute over distribution of food. The fight resulted in 14 people being injured, including three police officers.

https://www.rt.com/news/317365-germany-police-refugees-fear/

seems to me its already started, a decade ahead of schedule

So you have the opinion of one Union Chief.

is that it?

Over 200 asylum seekers clash in German refugee center

More than 200 refugees engaged in a mass brawl in a shelter in the German city of Hamburg, leaving several people injured in a third such incident in Germany this week.

A scuffle between two large groups of Syrians and Afghanis broke out in a crowded refugee center in Hamburg on Wednesday and lasted all through the day till late night, according to local media.

The groups were attacking each other with iron bars and wooden pieces of furniture as well as were throwing rocks. The refugees have also set a dustbin on fire.

http://www.rt.com/news/317229-refugees-clash-german-center/

Yes you posted this already, so there has been a brawl.
Harly anything to get over excited about, just seperate them.

what immigration crisis

So 200 refugees out of hundreds of thousands.


Stop the press, as the dalek is shaking with fear, over a brawl.

lol

just seperate them??

hopw will you do that walter??

we live in a multicultiural society that doesnt recognize RACE (remember) or religion or culture ..............because we be multicultural innit??

so walter tell us how you will seperate them>??

lets hear your master plan of segregation and ghettoisation

lol so one brawl which cna be resolved easily by ensuring the groups are not together anymore.
Wow problem solved and this is the bases for the daleks unhinged irrational views this is going to turn Germany into a mass place of violence with masses of destruction.


There, there dalek, am sure Davros will kiss it better for you. lol