republican candidate says US should not have a Muslim president..

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/606895/Republican-candidate-Ben-Carson-fury-Muslim-should-not-be-US-President


Ben Carson said he would "absolutely not agree" with a Muslim becoming leader of the world's most powerful nation.

The retired neurosurgeon, who has been flying in the polls, said that somebody who followed a faith "inconsistent with the values" of the United States should not become President.

He was immediately attacked over the comments, with many people calling for him to pull out of the race for the Republican nomination.

But Dr Carson's team hit back, insisting he was "saying what he believes in" and that he had not meant that Muslims should be banned from running for president completely.

The high-flying candidate had been asked for his views about faith during a TV interview about his bid for the White House.

it's a bit late for that...they already have one and he's not american either....

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I'm loving this concept of some political leaders having no interest in anything other than telling people about God.

Some of you need to have a word with yourselves.

I dont think you get it

Any Political leader against gay marriage is Putting their religious beliefs over secular ideals.
The West Is Supposed to be Better than Nations like Saudi Arabia Because WE DON'T DO THAT.

it is not telling people, it is literally enacting or preventing laws that are going to deny a fellow citizen the full set secular freedoms because of their Personal Religious faith.

So you're saying that all people with religious faith are against gay marriage then?

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I'm loving this concept of some political leaders having no interest in anything other than telling people about God.

Some of you need to have a word with yourselves.

I dont think you get it

Any Political leader against gay marriage is Putting their religious beliefs over secular ideals.
The West Is Supposed to be Better than Nations like Saudi Arabia Because WE DON'T DO THAT.

it is not telling people, it is literally enacting or preventing laws that are going to deny a fellow citizen the full set secular freedoms because of their Personal Religious faith.

So you're saying that all people with religious faith are against gay marriage then?

No Not if they are secular

What I am saying is.... any leader against gay marriage is anti-secular and thus theocratic, What We the West says is 'evil'

The gay marriage thing is not the important part or the specific religion, it is the anti-secular that is the problem because that is the basis of our communal freedom.

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So you're saying that all people with religious faith are against gay marriage then?

No Not if they are secular  

What I am saying is.... any leader against gay marriage is anti-secular and thus theocratic, What We the West says is 'evil'

The gay marriage thing is not the important part or the specific religion, it is the anti-secular that is the problem because that is the basis of our communal freedom.

But athiests can be against gay marriage as well.

And religious over non-religious?
Well ONE has produced Countless miracles in medicine, communication, knowledge for mankind.
The other Is trying to teach kids a magic sky giant made everything if you don't worship him he will punish you. And that group also want to hurt and deny rights to gays, blacks, women, other religions and non-religious.

There's no mention in here of "non-secular". You are assuming that any religious person is nasty, and that all non-religious people are wonderful inventors or something, and are never nasty.

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So you're saying that all people with religious faith are against gay marriage then?

No Not if they are secular  

What I am saying is.... any leader against gay marriage is anti-secular and thus theocratic, What We the West says is 'evil'

The gay marriage thing is not the important part or the specific religion, it is the anti-secular that is the problem because that is the basis of our communal freedom.

But athiests can be against gay marriage as well.

Not if they've got a brain

Raggamuffin wrote:

And religious over non-religious?
Well ONE has produced Countless miracles in medicine, communication, knowledge for mankind.
The other Is trying to teach kids a magic sky giant made everything if you don't worship him he will punish you. And that group also want to hurt and deny rights to gays, blacks, women, other religions and non-religious.

There's no mention in here of "non-secular". You are assuming that any religious person is nasty, and that all non-religious people are wonderful inventors or something, and are never nasty.

Eddie asked why LW sides with the non-religious over the religious that is why
There would be no creationist position there would be no opposition to gay marriage if it wasn't for religious groups (and historical religious baggage) trying to deny others secular freedoms for their own religious preference which is theocratic a.k.a evil

Just the way the demographics split YES some religious people put their religion after their secular state. Ultimately any Abrahamist that agrees with gay marriage is Putting secularism over their religion

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

But athiests can be against gay marriage as well.

Not if they've got a brain

Well that's not really the point is it?

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:
There's no mention in here of "non-secular". You are assuming that any religious person is nasty, and that all non-religious people are wonderful inventors or something, and are never nasty.

Eddie asked why LW sides with the non-religious over the religious that is why
There would be no creationist position there would be no opposition to gay marriage if it wasn't for religious groups (and historical religious baggage) trying to deny others secular freedoms for their own religious preference which is theocratic a.k.a evil

Just the way the demographics split YES some religious people put their religion after their secular state. Ultimately any Abrahamist that agrees with gay marriage is Putting secularism over their religion

But you are clearly generalising in the extreme there. You are saying that all religious people are one way, and all non-religious people are another way, and in addition to that, you're saying that left wing people never have religious faith and that they're all marvellous people who invent things and are experts in communication.

Have a word with yourself.

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:
There's no mention in here of "non-secular". You are assuming that any religious person is nasty, and that all non-religious people are wonderful inventors or something, and are never nasty.

Eddie asked why LW sides with the non-religious over the religious that is why
There would be no creationist position there would be no opposition to gay marriage if it wasn't for religious groups (and historical religious baggage) trying to deny others secular freedoms for their own religious preference which is theocratic a.k.a evil

Just the way the demographics split YES some religious people put their religion after their secular state. Ultimately any Abrahamist that agrees with gay marriage is Putting secularism over their religion

But you are clearly generalising in the extreme there. You are saying that all religious people are one way, and all non-religious people are another way, and in addition to that, you're saying that left wing people never have religious faith and that they're all marvellous people who invent things and are experts in communication.

Have a word with yourself.

LOLOL

No i didn't your trying to force it to say that but it doesn't

Religious faith is not yes or no. it is is fundamentalist/theocratic, secular religious, Agnostic, Atheist. (atheist and agnostics are by default secular, unless they hold an illogical position Of not believing a religious doctrine but having laws based on it )

Original Quill wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:correct

Muslim in cheif obama should never have been elected, he is without exception the worst president the US has ever had and possibly the most destablising force on earth at the minute

look at how the world has caught fire under his watchful eye

The Republicans (Bush and Cheney) left the country in an ugly, purposeless war, on the brink of the next depression, with double-digit unemployment, a $17-trillion deficit and bin Laden still alive and running around.

Obama got the country out of Iraq, saved America from the next Depression, brought unemployment down from 10.5% to 5.1%, overseen the creation of 5-million jobs, overseen the American stock market soar to over $18,000 average in the Dow Jones (highest ever), finally created a highly successful medical care system (despite the sour grapes of Republicans) and he got bin Laden when the Republican administration was completely inept at finding him.

That's a hell of a record.  The only reason you don't like him is because of his race.  That's your problem.  Suck eggs.

damn it

i was just about to say that you missed off osama leading the assault that killed obama, but there it is, i see it now

smelly-bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The Republicans (Bush and Cheney) left the country in an ugly, purposeless war, on the brink of the next depression, with double-digit unemployment, a $17-trillion deficit and bin Laden still alive and running around.

Obama got the country out of Iraq, saved America from the next Depression, brought unemployment down from 10.5% to 5.1%, overseen the creation of 5-million jobs, overseen the American stock market soar to over $18,000 average in the Dow Jones (highest ever), finally created a highly successful medical care system (despite the sour grapes of Republicans) and he got bin Laden when the Republican administration was completely inept at finding him.

That's a hell of a record.  The only reason you don't like him is because of his race.  That's your problem.  Suck eggs.

damn it

i was just about to say that you missed off osama leading the assault that killed obama, but there it is, i see it now

Yes indeedy, I wouldn't leave off that one.  Conservatives love their wars, but they are not very good at it.  In fact, they are rather the fat nerds of the world when it comes to living up to their braggadocio.

Conservatives have the same problem with action that they have with thinking....they don't do it.  
Here's this big war brought about by Republicans and Neo-Cons, and they always phizz out.

The numb-nutz can't even do war right.   It's another in a long list of things that Liberals must do to clean up after Conservatives.  Bin-Laden was typical.

Original Quill wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:


damn it

i was just about to say that you missed off osama leading the assault that killed obama, but there it is, i see it now

Yes indeedy, I wouldn't leave off that one.  Conservatives love their wars, but they are not very good at it.  In fact, they are rather the fat nerds of the world when it comes to living up to their braggadocio.

Conservatives have the same problem with action that they have with thinking....they don't do it.  
Here's this big war brought about by Republicans and Neo-Cons, and they always phizz out.

The numb-nutz can't even do war right.   It's another in a long list of things that Liberals must do to clean up after Conservatives.  Bin-Laden was typical.

I want a pint of what you're drinking.

Shady wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Yes indeedy, I wouldn't leave off that one.  Conservatives love their wars, but they are not very good at it.  In fact, they are rather the fat nerds of the world when it comes to living up to their braggadocio.

Conservatives have the same problem with action that they have with thinking....they don't do it.  
Here's this big war brought about by Republicans and Neo-Cons, and they always phizz out.

The numb-nutz can't even do war right.   It's another in a long list of things that Liberals must do to clean up after Conservatives.  Bin-Laden was typical.

I want a pint of what you're drinking.

Soz...tho I take that as a compliment, I don't drink.